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Judge Sonia Sotomayor's nomination for the Supreme Court will be approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee today. Only 1 Republican, Lindsay Graham, will vote in favor of confirmation. Republican senators Lugar, Snowe, Collins and Martinez have also announced their support for Sotomayor. I hope and predict there will be no other Republican votes for her. For two reasons - first, because it will firm up the new view that I have championed that the President is not due deference in his judicial appointments; and second, Latino support for Republicans will grow even smaller.

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    I like your reasons BTD (5.00 / 7) (#7)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:28:40 AM EST
    and will add one of my one. I want Obama to see that no amount of conciliation with the Republicans is going to get him their votes.

    Would like the Village media to see it too (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:31:51 AM EST
    Maybe they will actually mention it once or twice.

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    Obama and his whole administration (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by sallywally on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:37:18 AM EST
    need to get this through their heads! There is no bipartisanship possible when one side simply refuses to participate. Sitting there like spoiled children. Do it all without them!

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    Like Bill maher said... (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:48:05 PM EST
    "Obama isn't a socialist, he's not even a liberal".

    Obama knows the voting public certainly doesn't want him to 'compromise' with the GOP; and he knows the GOP doesn't want to 'compromise' with him. Obama also knows that if he and Rahm cracked the whip on the Democratic Congress they could pass progressive legislation without any help from the GOP.

    Instead, Obama allows the Blue Dogs and the GOP to gut progressive legislation so that private/corporate interests win out over the public interest. Why does he do this and why does he call it by the name of "bipartisanship"?

    Imo, the answer is hidden in plain view. Under this current administration, it has become increasingly apparent that the country is actually run by corporate entities; political parties, and the president, are mere conduits for the transfer of wealth. The GOP has always been happy to play that role - and now so are the Dems. It's the only game in town. Bipartisan posturing is a fig leaf to obfuscate that hideous, naked truth.

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    It's JUST NOW "becoming apparent"? (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 04:36:27 PM EST
    when wasnt it apparent?

    During the wishful thinking imbued, fantasy camp that was the primaries?

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    Jd, "Under this current administration, (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:22:46 PM EST
    it has become increasingly apparent that the country is actually run by corporate entities. Political parties, and the president, are mere conduits for the transfer of wealth."

    I believe this fact has become increasingly apparent, at this particular time, because the progressive politics of the people have been flagrantly supplanted by the corporatist politics of a Democratic President, House, and Senate.

    In a nutshell: the gap between the people's mandate and the President's actions is such a vast, yawning chasm that one has to be willfully blind not to see it.

    The problem isn't usually as starkly apparent as it is now.
     

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    and not to everyone (none / 0) (#123)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 04:40:17 PM EST
    even then

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    I think we may be missing (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:30:20 PM EST
    the point.

    Obama is not a stupid man; he sees the same things we see. But, I believe it is Barack Obama, using the Republicans as a foil, who seems most comfortable taking a "moderate" stance.
    *****************

    "Well, I would have liked to have a stronger bill, but without Republican support this is the best we could do."  


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    He was supposed to be the one who (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:42:02 PM EST
    could see so much more than we can, wasn't he?

    I mean, whatever happened to "Yes, We Can?"  Has it changed to "Uh, Well, Maybe We Can't?"  

    Shorter version: "Hey, It's Better Than Nothing!"

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    Transparent if true ... (none / 0) (#70)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:32:24 PM EST
    he never really argued for a stronger bill.

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    Of course he's stupid (none / 0) (#79)
    by Idearc on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:40:26 PM EST
    instead of hiring Krugman, Roubini, and Stiglitz he hired Clinton's Robert Rubin economic team.

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    Good point (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:35:27 AM EST
    Amen! (none / 0) (#19)
    by hairspray on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:13:40 AM EST
    Really good point. (none / 0) (#50)
    by coigue on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:30:53 AM EST
    DADT hearings? (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:44:20 AM EST
    From Think Progress:

    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) announced that the Senate Armed Service Committee will hold a hearing this fall to review the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy regarding gay members of the armed forces. In a statement released yesterday, Gillibrand called the policy "wrong for our national security and wrong for the moral foundation upon which our country was founded."

    Good move on her part, I think.


    Someone is worried ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:48:28 AM EST
    about a primary challenge.

    ;)

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    Whatever it takes :) (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:05:49 PM EST
    She Is Not Worried (none / 0) (#121)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 04:27:21 PM EST
    As BTD pointed out. She will be able to raise three times the amount of money that Maloney will raise.

    What has happened is that instead of representing a small right center constituency upstate, she is representing a center, left of center constituency which comprises all on NYS.

    Good politician, imo. And it is funny that when a pol moves to the  left, she is never accused of lying, from our mouths. But when a Pol moves to the right, in order to satisfy what he thinks is the majority of constituents, he is a liar.

    Hilarious, pols are pols. Great ones are so good at lying that they can say opposite things to different voters, and make them sound identical.

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    I find myself wondering (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:47:54 AM EST
    why Heath Care Reform is the only major initiative that has to be deficit neutral. Neither war had to be deficit neutral, nor did the bank or auto company bailouts. Nor does one cent of defense spending.

    Funny how that works ain't it... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:57:04 AM EST
    what you're missing ruffian is health care reform, at least in theory, is about less profits for the connected....war, defense, bailouts are all about profits for the connected, and the deficit is no concern when the right people are getting paid today.

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    What dday said (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:10:18 AM EST
    If this moral case were made, a true argument about the human consequences of delay, maybe that $1 trillion dollar number inches upward. And maybe some deficits are floated within the 10-year budget window. But we turned this debate into one primarily about costs. This played right into the hands of the fiscal scolds.

    Anyone still think Obama is a liberal?

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    Costs (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by cal1942 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:36:51 PM EST
    When Obama had that silly fiscal responsibility conference it was obvious that principle, effective policy, etc. were out of the question.

    So gross overspending in the Pentagon is retained and entitlements, even those all or in part supported by payroll tax, are under vulnerable to cost cutting.

    The atmosphere he set has, IMO, made real health care reform all but impossible.

    But, adherents of the Chicago school will be pleased.

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    Chicago school and robert rubin (none / 0) (#90)
    by Idearc on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:48:26 PM EST
    don't white wash the fact that Clinton and Rubin's men are crawling through the oval office.  Summers,  Gene Sperling, and Steven Rattner are all clinton men.  Not to mention Rahm and Podesta and Panetta.  It's like the 3rd Clinton term, without Al Gore.

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    But, Don't Forget (5.00 / 3) (#106)
    by cal1942 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:46:43 PM EST
    OBAMA PICKED THEM.  He picked them AFTER their policies were discredited.

    Obama had a golden opportunity to effect change when all the evidence suggested that change was vital and he opted for the status quo.

    We can Pi$$ around about this all day but the inescapable fact is that since the Reagan disaster sent the Republican Party straight towards batsh!t crazy we've acquired people in the Democratic Party that would otherwise have been in or remained in the Republican Party (not talking about rank and file here).

    Democrats as a whole have been dragged to the right in this process.  The country has at varying speeds continued on a rightward march.

    Over this time corporations, especially finance, have thrown their weight into the process corrupting politics entirely.

    The yield is decline and it now just may be unstoppable.  

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    3rd Clinton term (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:58:36 PM EST
    gosh
    you say that like its a bad thing.

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    Sigh (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 02:10:36 PM EST
    yeah  - low unemployment, relative peace, prosperity - who'd want to go back to that??

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    I wouldn't.... (none / 0) (#140)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 06:00:42 PM EST
    big increases in marijuana arrests and prison population.  Expansion of the death penalty.  CIA ridin' dirty as ever. Bombing runs overseas.

    Give me a first Nader/Kucnich/Paul/My Mailman term anyday.

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    Not me (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:46:03 AM EST
    I never thought he was.

    He is a Marxist/Socialist.

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    Which are (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:58:19 AM EST
    "leftist" philosophies.  He's no leftie.

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    Yeah.... (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:02:45 AM EST
    the most corporate friendly Marxist you could ever imagine:)

    Viva El Fascismo is a more fitting catchphrase for the Obama admin...imo.

    Then again, if left, right, and "way out there" are all unhappy maybe he's doing a good job:)  

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    Chinese model?? (2.00 / 0) (#133)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:28:12 PM EST
    He's almost as bad as Bill Clinton (none / 0) (#51)
    by Idearc on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:31:46 AM EST
    God, he even has Clinton's Rubinesque henchmen as his economic team.

    Parent
    Almost as bad? (5.00 / 5) (#64)
    by cal1942 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:20:27 PM EST
    I'd say far worse.  Obama has control of both houses by hefty margins and compromises before there is any need to compromise.

    He's starting to fool around with crucial entitlements and that may make him a future hero to Conservatives.

    On an important matter like health care he couldn't be bothered to send a White House plan to Congress.

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    See my (none / 0) (#71)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:34:39 PM EST
    post above #69

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#104)
    by cal1942 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:30:00 PM EST
    just read your comment.

    Good summation.

    A foil indeed.  I like your quote but would like to see it this way:

    "a stronger bill, but without Republican support THAT WE DIDN'T NEED, this is the best we could do."  


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    It's a toss up (none / 0) (#74)
    by Idearc on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:36:07 PM EST
    People forget Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933.  Think of it.  Even Reagan failed to repeal Glass-Steagall, but Clinton/Rubin/Summers/CitiGroup did.

    That's not even including the Telecommunications Act, China MFN, GATT/WTO, the Welfare "reform", and NAFTA.

    Clinton has a lot of blood on his rich hands that he can't be absolved.

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    I agree (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by cal1942 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:15:19 PM EST
    and he's responsible in spite of six years of GOP control of Congress.

    But the way this one is starting is, IMO, much worse.

    Obama had a chance to make significant or at least try to make significant reforms of the finance industry after the evidence of failure was in and the public was outraged.

    He had a chance at health care reform but played a passive role.  Didn't even bother to submit a White House plan.  Another issue with enormous public support.

    He now appears to be threatening crucial entitlements.

    He's expanding a war in the graveyard of empires after the horse left the barn.

    He backed off his promise to review trade policies after the evidence of the damage they've caused is in.

    You cited an eight year body of work by Clinton.  It's this bad with Obama in only six months.

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    On the "Modernization" act of 1999. (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by cal1942 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:22:35 PM EST
    First, it was a Rubin/Phil Gramm initiative.  

    Second, Democrats controlled the House for all eight years during the Reagan administration.

    That doesn't let Clinton off the hook because he signed it into law but implying that Clinton was more conservative in these matters than Reagan requires ignoring the circumstances.

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    People do forget (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by cenobite on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:44:35 PM EST
    People forget Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933.  Think of it.  Even Reagan failed to repeal Glass-Steagall, but Clinton/Rubin/Summers/CitiGroup did.

    People forget the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (R, R and R) was a republican bill passed by a republican congress by a veto proof majority (90-8 senate, 362-57 house).

    Exactly what was Bill Clinton supposed to do about that?

    People do forget, indeed.


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    He's not even american. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Idearc on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:26:31 AM EST
    as you know, he was born in Kenya.

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    Deficit neutral is simply a red herring. (none / 0) (#21)
    by hairspray on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:17:20 AM EST
    If health care passes, the GOP is out in the cold for several decades just like they were after FDR passed social security.  It is all about power first and then the money flows.

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    Not if it is a bad plan that passes (5.00 / 6) (#27)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:35:32 AM EST
    If the plan that passes is too feeble to help anyone, the GOP will be the first to claim that the so-called 'big government liberal plan' failed, even if the plan is neither liberal or big-government.

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    Tend to agree (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by NealB on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:01:20 AM EST
    This bill doesn't have to be very successful. If it begins to reduce the number of uninsured, if it begins to slow cost increases, if it ends rescissions and denial of insurance for pre-existing conditions, Democrats probably stand to benefit in elections going forward. We'll know by the end of next year. Democrats look possible to pick up as many as five more seats in the Senate and at least hold the majority they have now in the House next year.

    Without real job growth next year it probably won't matter whether they accomplish anything else or not.

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    You won't know how the health care plan (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:25:13 PM EST
    is going to affect anything by the end of next year, since the plan, as it currently exists, won't go into effect until January, 2013.  Hurry up and wait is Step One, and there are going to be a lot of people who think the president's urgency and constant sales pitch means immediate help, when in fact, it is almost 4 years away from implementation.

    The second thing that is going to upset a lot of people is what looks like the abandonment of a public "option" in favor of co-ops and exchanges that will not be open to all.  Yes, you may be able to keep the insurance you have, but you may not be able to opt-out of employer-sponsored plans in favor of something better and cheaper.

    I would argue that the bill absolutely needs to be very successful - and I would also argue that it is important how the number of uninsured are reduced and how the costs are controlled.  If more people are insured because they are mandated to be, but find themselves with minimal coverage and not-so-minimal premiums, I don't count that as a success.  If costs are controlled by limiting and "managing" the care of those enrolled in Medicare, again, I don't count that as a success.

    Be aware that the more positive support for the plan that comes from the health care industry and the drug companies, the more confident you can be that we are not reforming the system as much as we have ensured its protection for the forseeable future.

    I wish I could be happy at the prospect of even greater majorities in Congress, but you have in front of you a Democratic-majority Congress that is largely being led around by the Blue Dogs; if you are thinking we will pick up more red-state Dems, the chances are there will be an even larger conservative Democratic presence, and to me, that is not how progressive polices are advanced.  Especially with a Democratic president who aligns himself more to the right of the Democratic spectrum than to the left.

    No, I don't think this is going particularly well, and while there is still a chance it could turn around, I am not looking for the Congress to give us the kind of health care reform we need.

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    Yup - as it turns out, (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:49:47 PM EST
    sending Republicans to the wilderness does not do much good if they are replaced by the Blue Dogs. The Dem caucus just wants to keep the majority to protect their own power, not to accomplish anything resembling what I used to think of as core Democratic principles, like, say the party platform which calls for universal health care. they will kow-tow to anyone that puts a D next to their name (eg. Arlen Specter), no matter what they stand for.

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    I hope you're right! (none / 0) (#44)
    by sallywally on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:18:52 AM EST
    That would certainly represent progress - progress that perhaps even the righties would have to recognize.

    On the other hand, expecting them to respond to reality is likely a pipe dream.

    Look how they tried to destroy Clinton, who brought them record financial "progress." Great reality recognition there.....<snark>

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    I thought all those bailouts (none / 0) (#66)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:24:48 PM EST
    are to be paid back w/interest? That the gvt could "make some money" on them?

    Parent
    Judge Sotomayor's nomination (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:13:53 AM EST
    has been a very revealing experience.

    The confirmation process (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Fabian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:31:46 AM EST
    has been more revealing.

    It is reassuring that Obama seems to be very interested in nominating unquestionably well qualified individuals.  Dr. Regina Benjamin and Judge Sotomayor may be minorities, but they are certainly no Clarence Thomas!  (Or Alberto Gonzalez or....)

    Parent

    Let's hope she's not ... (none / 0) (#54)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:45:54 AM EST
    another Breyer.

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    Lugar, Snowe, Collins and maybe Martinez are (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by hairspray on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:23:42 AM EST
    what are left of the once moderate, but fiscally conservative Republican party.   Malcolm Gladwell writes an interesting chapter about the early settlement and cultural markers of the south in his book "Outliers."  It seems to fit with the mindset of the southern politician. First they were Democrats and then became Republicans.  Nothing changed there, just the labels.

    More thorough (none / 0) (#88)
    by cal1942 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:43:28 PM EST
    is David Hackett Fischer's "Albion's Seed"

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    I will try to read it. (none / 0) (#160)
    by hairspray on Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 05:30:46 PM EST
    I've often wondered what made the souterners so obstinate and short sighted.  Their politicians always seemed so mean spirited.  It couldn't be in the water.

    Parent
    Sotomayor approved by cmte 13-6 (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:58:44 AM EST
    Only 1 Republican voted for her.

    Who were the other 5 who voted against?n/t. (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by sallywally on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:20:49 AM EST
    Off the top of my head (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:23:29 AM EST
    Sessions, Coburn, Kyl, Hatch, Grassley.

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    and Cornyn. (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:51:28 AM EST
    In short, all the Republicans on the Judiciary committee save Graham.

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    Yes, however could I forget Cornyn. . .? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:07:10 PM EST
    That surprised me too ... (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:22:30 PM EST
    because he's your "favorite"!

    ;)

    Parent

    It looks like the Senate and the Blue Dogs (5.00 / 4) (#53)
    by Teresa on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:42:09 AM EST
    in the house are going to ruin what wasn't such a great health care plan to begin with. No public option or if their is, market rates just like the other? Well big stinking deal. I will never have insurance again other than this limited plan I have now.

    They won't be able to exclude my pre-exisiting stuff but they can still charge me nearly $1000 a month for just me?? Can someone explain for me?

    I glance at DK and when IBS is mad at Obama I thought the world had ended.

    I am today totally disillusioned and disgusted. I seriously think I'm ignoring politics for the rest of my life. The best chance we've ever had and we are throwing it down the damn drain.

    Will it still have mandates? (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:48:23 AM EST
    Is the 1K a month because of pre-existing?

    Parent
    Yeah mostly pre-existing. And I've added (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Teresa on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:58:16 AM EST
    a few to that since I tried to buy ins in Jan. Actually that was an estimate from two independent agents who were looking for me. Neither or them ever called me back to say they had found any insurance that would cover me. Isn't this awful?

    When are you moving? I hope to see snow pictures from you by winter!

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    That's bad (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:17:00 PM EST
    I'm hoping the Freelancers Union gets going strong in CA so I can have some options on group plans. It's still expensive though.

    I'm looking to move in Nov if all goes well. My mom and I were talking about how nice it will be for Dot just yesterday. Dot having room to wander on the property and being able to play in the lake . . . {sigh} I wish I was there now!

    Parent

    Luckily, I just assumed ... (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:55:43 AM EST
    we wouldn't get real healthcare reform with Obama.

    And I was resigned to that fact.

    But I sure would have been happy to be wrong.

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    I assumed the same (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:57:35 AM EST
    but now it's a matter of how much worse are they going to make it . . .

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    Well, if they dump ... (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:28:26 PM EST
    public option but keep the mandates, how can anyone argue it isn't just a big giveaway to the insurance companies?

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    No one (5.00 / 3) (#95)
    by cal1942 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:50:50 PM EST
    can make an honest argument to the contrary.

    With mandates this could end up benefitting the health care insurance industry the way Medicare Part D was a boon to big Pharma.

    Parent

    Agree with you for once! (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by dead dancer on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:37:33 PM EST
    I gave up hope pretty much since the beginning, when the admim anounced the public option was all but off the table.

    Just more of the same. Follow the money. Won't see health care reform in my lifetime.

    Resistance is futile.

    Parent

    For once? (none / 0) (#85)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:42:11 PM EST
    You should agree with me more often.  You'd be much happier.

    ;)

    Parent

    I would just like to point out (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:37:14 PM EST
    BTD's Prof. Gates post thread is now full and BTD had the last word.

    As it should be . . . (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:41:22 PM EST
    Yep, he and some others seem to think the (none / 0) (#87)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:43:25 PM EST
    discrepancy regarding who Crowely talked to at the scene and what they said is a smoking gun.

    I'm not convinced it's any more than a legit mistake.

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    Take your shot at the AP (none / 0) (#91)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:48:48 PM EST
    and others in the new post.

    Parent
    big pharma on parade (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 02:02:02 PM EST
    we were discussing the evils of big pharma the other day.  try this, a very promising treatment has been accidentally found for spinal cord injury but:

    The only problem with further research is the funding. The blue dye is so common that no underwriting company is likely to reap a profit from any medical breakthroughs.


    Blue Food Dye Treats Spine Injury in Rats


    So, yesterday (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 02:48:16 PM EST
    I posted an article about how women are getting better looking, thanks to evolution.  Well, it turns out that men have a much higher opinion of how sexy they think they are then what reality is:

    According to a recent survey of men in 12 countries, nearly 60 percent of American males consider themselves sexy. The other 40 percent must have mirrors.


    Sessions is going on about Kelo (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:16:41 AM EST


    we were talking about the (none / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:18:37 AM EST
    weird weather yesterday.

    Chicago Sees Coldest July In 67 Years

    The National Weather Service says 2009 has seen the coldest July since the official recording station was moved away from the lakefront in 1942. The average temperature this month in Chicago has been a mere 68.9 degrees.

    Even in the years before 1942, when the National Weather Service recorded temperatures at the cooler lakefront, there are only three years that had colder Julys through the 26th.

    Cold day in July (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:27:30 AM EST
    and the Cubs are in 1st. Suddenly it all makes sense.

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    Now, if hell freezes over, maybe (none / 0) (#23)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:27:29 AM EST
    we'll go to the world series.

    Go, Cubbies!

    Parent

    From my home state of Michigan (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:50:26 PM EST
    Hell freezes over just about every winter!

    Parent
    Now yer just talking crazy (none / 0) (#84)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:42:05 PM EST
    but wouldn't that be so wonderful? sigh.....

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    In the meantime, hottest days evah (none / 0) (#24)
    by DFLer on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:29:47 AM EST
    in the Pacific Northwest....99 to over 100 predicted for Seattle and Portland....!!

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    105 in Portland today (none / 0) (#25)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:31:29 AM EST
    Cooling to 104 tomorrow.

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    Right this minute it is 106 (5.00 / 0) (#142)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 07:08:56 PM EST
    degrees in downtown Portland. The hottest it has ever been in Portland, well since we started recording this stuff, is 107. Can we break that record? Yes, We Can!!

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    Probably (none / 0) (#28)
    by Fabian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:37:01 AM EST
    has to do with the northern polar ice shrinking.

    Instead of having solid, almost immobile sea ice, we now have substantially more very mobile cold water.  It's got to mess with the ocean currents and the oceans strongly influence our weather.

    Supposed to be an El Nino forming.  I wonder if the El Nino effects will be the same.

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    More chilling news on warming (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:15:36 PM EST
    Published on Monday, July 27, 2009, The Guardian/UK, by Duncan Clark: World Will Warm Faster Than Predicted in Next Five Years, Study Warns:
    New estimate based on the forthcoming upturn in solar activity and El Niño southern oscillation cycles is expected to silence global warming sceptics.

    I get the impression that, after 8 years of Bushian silence and denial, the actual severity of the climate crisis is now being leaked out to us in small increments to avoid mass PANIC.

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    So we have another forecast of GW (2.00 / 0) (#125)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:15:40 PM EST
    New estimate based on the forthcoming upturn in solar activity

    Nothing new there.

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    So (none / 0) (#126)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:19:14 PM EST
    Ignore it? Why's that, because it is the next generation's problem?


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    It is a forecast (none / 0) (#131)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:26:24 PM EST
    So far none of the forecasts have been right.

    Is that too complex for you?

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    A Forecast? (5.00 / 0) (#134)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:30:45 PM EST
    Well yeah, if you are believe that you are living 50 years ago.

    The ice caps are a melting today. There is a very large hole in the ozone layer directly over the melting ice.

    The increasing size of the hole and increased melting are directly proportional.

    Nothing forcasty about that.

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    You are a funny dude (none / 0) (#146)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 07:58:24 PM EST
    next generation's problem (none / 0) (#132)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:27:10 PM EST
    I seriously doubt that.

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    Is there such a thing as (none / 0) (#127)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:20:39 PM EST
    the greenhouse effect? Yes or no, Jim.

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    Do you still beat your wife? (none / 0) (#129)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:25:13 PM EST
    The question is, is there enough to cause a problem.
    And the answer is no.

    Carbon dioxide has been found to be a LAGGING indicator. It rises after temperature rises. That means it didn't cause the rise.

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    So we wont worry (none / 0) (#135)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:31:10 PM EST
    about grenhouse gasses until they've become such a problem that even the blissfully ignorant inhabitants of Hannity Land cant ignore it any longer. Then we'll blame it on the Democrats.

    Got you covered.

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    I don't worry about mm GW because it (2.00 / 0) (#147)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 08:01:57 PM EST
    is a hoax and isn't going to happen.

    GC may be a problem. Do some research on the Little Ice Age and the problems it caused with a lot fewer people to feed.

    But that would require you to actually think instead of doing the Chicken Little bit.

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    DA writes. (none / 0) (#150)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 07:32:26 AM EST
    Computer models predict

    Predict. Forecast. Believe. May happen. Could happen.

    Let me know when you have some facts.

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    DA demonstrates he doesn't (none / 0) (#153)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 10:56:19 AM EST
    know the difference between predictions and proof.

    This what the article says in the first three words.

    Computer models predict

    That means they have fed data into a model and come up with a prediction.

    Let me know when the article says:

    Computer models prove.

    hahahahaha

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    As in June 2009 (none / 0) (#154)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:01:13 AM EST
    The average arctic temperature is still not above (take your pick) 32°F 0°C 273.15°K-this the latest date in fifty years of record keeping that this has happened. Usually it is beginning to level off now and if it does so, it will stay near freezing on average in the arctic leading to still less melting than last summer which saw a 9% increase in arctic ice than in 2007.  H/T to FredM and MarcM

    Looks like you are a year behind what is actually happening!

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    its small consolation (none / 0) (#137)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:34:19 PM EST
    but evidence is mounting that it wont take decades to be able to say I told you so to these people.
    there is more and more evidence that once the tipping point is reached it can happen very quickly.

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    Yes (5.00 / 0) (#138)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:35:26 PM EST
    For people like ppj, there is comfort in all that ice melting. The summers are cooler because the water around the world drop in temperature. Until all the ice melts and the seas start to quickly heat up.

    God is good to fools..  

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    Funny thing happened to those ice (none / 0) (#151)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 07:45:16 AM EST
    cubes. They are getting bigger!

    Great Scott! Maybe I can turn off my fridge and save some money on my electric bill. I'll need it when Obama's cap and tax plan triples the price of electric power!

    Of course people like Squeaky live in places that allow them to use public transportation. He cares not a thing that 99% of the rest of the country cannot. He also hasn't figured out that when the farmers aren't able to produce food the cities will starve.

    Rapid growth spurt leaves amount of ice at levels seen 29 years ago.

    Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close.
    Ice levels had been tracking lower throughout much of 2008, but rapidly recovered in the last quarter. In fact, the rate of increase from September onward is the fastest rate of change on record, either upwards or downwards.
    The data is being reported by the University of Illinois's Arctic Climate Research Center, and is derived from satellite observations of the Northern and Southern hemisphere polar regions.




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    lol (none / 0) (#156)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 11:26:20 AM EST
    As I said, you think that "now" is fifty years ago and find data to back that insane idea up.

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    Yeah, you have to watch those (none / 0) (#158)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 12:45:28 PM EST
    University of Illinois's Arctic Climate Research Center....

    The data is being reported by the University of Illinois's Arctic Climate Research Center, and is derived from satellite observations of the Northern and Southern hemisphere polar regions.

    Yep. Can't trust'em. I bet none of them has a law degree...

    LOL!!!


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    Some Things Never Change (none / 0) (#159)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 02:55:10 PM EST
    PPJ shoveling sh*t aka disinformation like Hercules trying to win a bet.

    From your (non) link

    Sea ice extent averaged over the Northern Hemisphere has decreased correspondingly over the past 50 years (shown right). The largest change has been observed in the summer months with decreases exceeding 30%. Decreases observed in winter are more modest. We maintain this updated archive of sea ice concentrations and extents at the University of Illinois Department of Atmospheric Sciences.

    University of Illinois Arctic Climte Research Center.


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    Doesn't El Nino mean rain (none / 0) (#30)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:41:28 AM EST
    in CA?

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    Not sure. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Fabian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:47:03 AM EST
    Here in the Ohio Valley, we are supposed to have a much hotter summer in 2010.  Obviously much hotter than this year.  I've had the house open (screens in, windows open) for all but a couple weeks this summer.  Bought a soaker hose for my shrub installation and only ran it twice.

    Much cooler, much wetter than normal.  This is May/June weather.

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    I turned my AC on for the first time (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:41:24 AM EST
    yesterday, lol!~ It's almost August!

    Last summer didn't seem that hot either. If it plans on being hotter in 2010, I better get my rear back to the west coast. I've had enough scorcher NYC summers.

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    it usually does (none / 0) (#40)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:59:01 AM EST
    who know what it will mean with the new world weather order.

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    If the polar cap is shrinking (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:54:52 AM EST
    It's all about distribution. (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Fabian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:03:26 AM EST
    When the ice forms.  When the ice melts.  How much of the surface area that the ice covers.  The ability of the polar ice caps to reflect solar energy as opposed to the water's ability to absorb it.

    The best term is Climate Change.  The Climate will Change, but exactly how, when and why - we can't say with any certainty.  It's very likely to be a chaotic process, which is the most disturbing aspect.  Our entire civilization depends on agriculture and agriculture depends on predictable climates with the right amount of rainfall and the proper temperatures.  

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    What about the term Climate Crisis? (none / 0) (#113)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 02:25:28 PM EST
    Too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry: all with devastating consequences to the planet and everything and everybody on it. Imo, the term "climate change" sounds kind of neither here nor there and it has no sense of urgency.

    Let' say, in view of alarming, newly emerging research, we might be best advised to go with the term Gore was using five years ago.

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    You folks are in denial. (1.00 / 0) (#117)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 04:06:42 PM EST
    Dr. Kenneth Tapping is worried about the sun. Solar activity comes in regular cycles, but the latest one is refusing to start. Sunspots have all but vanished, and activity is suspiciously quiet. The last time this happened was 400 years ago -- and it signaled a solar event known as a "Maunder Minimum,"  along with the start of what we now call the "Little Ice Age."

    Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, says it may be happening again. Overseeing a giant radio telescope he calls a "stethoscope for the sun," Tapping says, if the pattern doesn't change quickly, the earth is in for some very chilly weather.

    During the Little Ice Age, global temperatures dropped sharply. New York Harbor froze hard enough to allow people to walk from Manhattan to Staten Island, and in Britain, people reported sighting eskimos paddling canoes off the coast. Glaciers in Norway grew up to 100 meters a year, destroying farms and villages.

    But will it happen again?

    In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov predicted the sun would soon peak, triggering a rapid decline in world temperatures.  Only last month, the view was echoed by Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences. who advised the world to "stock up on fur coats." Sorokhtin, who calls man's contribution to climate change "a drop in the bucket," predicts the solar minimum to occur by the year 2040, with icy weather lasting till 2100 or beyond.

    Link

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    this is frightening (none / 0) (#118)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 04:18:34 PM EST
    and it fits with the coldest local July in 65 years.
    but
    it doesnt really fit with the strangely mild and warm winter we had here in central IL last time.

    it was starkly different from the previous winter when it snowed enough for me to have to shovel the driveway about three times a week for two months.

    last year I bought a snowblower which I used once because I was determined to use it at least once.
    I blew one inch of snow off my driveway exactly one time.

    the pattern seems to be no pattern.

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    Chaos has no pattern. n/t (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by Fabian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 07:11:27 PM EST
    Climate Chaos (none / 0) (#145)
    by Fabian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 07:46:56 PM EST
    is one of the names.  If you add enough energy to a stable system, the system becomes unstable and goes through a period of chaos until a new stable equilibrium is reached.  Imagine a century or so of constantly shifting weather patterns.  

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    weather in one particular place in a particular (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by coigue on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:29:14 AM EST
    month is not evidence of a trend.

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    Tenured radical, treehugger propaganda (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 04:21:13 PM EST
    heh (none / 0) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:10:46 PM EST
    From my previous link:

    Rapid growth spurt leaves amount of ice at levels seen 29 years ago.

    Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close.
    Ice levels had been tracking lower throughout much of 2008, but rapidly recovered in the last quarter. In fact, the rate of increase from September onward is the fastest rate of change on record, either upwards or downwards.
    The data is being reported by the University of Illinois's Arctic Climate Research Center, and is derived from satellite observations of the Northern and Southern hemisphere polar regions.

    That was as of 1/1/09. Now I suppose you want to tell me that the ice melted in January, February and March?

    Again from my previous link.

    The average arctic temperature is still not above (take your pick) 32°F 0°C 273.15°K-this the latest date in fifty years of record keeping that this has happened. Usually it is beginning to level off now and if it does so, it will stay near freezing on average in the arctic leading to still less melting than last summer which saw a 9% increase in arctic ice than in 2007.

    That was the end of June. Sure brings into question this from your link:

    Arctic sea ice extent has begun its seasonal decline towards the September minimum. Ice extent through the winter was similar to that of recent years, but lower than the 1979 to 2000 average. More importantly, the melt season has begun with a substantial amount of thin first-year ice, which is vulnerable to summer melt.

    With a much colder temperature the first year ice doesn't seem threatened, eh?

    From my previous link:

    Earlier this year, predictions were rife that the North Pole could melt entirely in 2008. Instead, the Arctic ice saw a substantial recovery. Bill Chapman, a researcher with the UIUC's Arctic Center, tells DailyTech this was due in part to colder temperatures in the region. Chapman says wind patterns have also been weaker this year. Strong winds can slow ice formation as well as forcing ice into warmer waters where it will melt.
    Why were predictions so wrong? Researchers had expected the newer sea ice, which is thinner, to be less resilient and melt easier. Instead, the thinner ice had less snow cover to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, and therefore grew much faster than expected, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

    Maybe this explains some of the confusion.

    Feb. 20 (Bloomberg) -- A glitch in satellite sensors caused scientists to underestimate the extent of Arctic sea ice by 500,000 square kilometers (193,000 square miles), a California- size area, the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center said.
    The error, due to a problem called "sensor drift," began in early January and caused a slowly growing underestimation of sea ice extent until mid-February. That's when "puzzled readers" alerted the NSIDC about data showing ice-covered areas as stretches of open ocean, the Boulder, Colorado-based group said on its Web site.

    Link

    But my favorite quotes are these:

    At December's U.N. Global Warming conference in Poznan, Poland, 650 of the world's top climatologists stood up and said man-made global warming is a media generated myth without basis. Said climatologist Dr. David Gee, Chairman of the International Geological Congress, "For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming?"
    I asked myself, why would such obviously smart guy say such a ridiculous thing? But it turns out he's right.
    The earth's temperature peaked in 1998. It's been falling ever since; it dropped dramatically in 2007 and got worse in 2008, when temperatures touched 1980 levels.

    Meanwhile, the University of Illinois' Arctic Climate Research Center released conclusive satellite photos showing that Arctic ice is back to 1979 levels. What's more, measurements of Antarctic ice now show that its accumulation is up 5 percent since 1980.

    In other words, during what was supposed to be massive global warming, the biggest chunks of ice on earth grew larger. Just as an aside, do you remember when the hole in the ozone layer was going to melt Antarctica? But don't worry, we're safe now, that was the nineties.

    Dr. Kunihiko, Chancellor of Japan's Institute of Science and Technology said this: "CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or the other ... every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so." Now why would a learned man say such a crazy thing?
    This is where the looney left gets lost. Their mantra is atmospheric CO2 levels are escalating and this is unquestionably causing earth's temperature rise. But ask yourself -- if global temperatures are experiencing the biggest sustained drop in decades, while CO2 levels continue to rise -- how can it be true?

    Link/its_time_to_pray_for_global_wa.html


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    What source are you using? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:41:38 AM EST
    I can't find a prediction for Seattle that is over 89 for today. I don't like our humid hot weather, so I'm hoping my prediction sources are more accurate than yours.

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    Here's an excellent resource (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:47:39 AM EST
    National Weather Service -- Seattle

    The further East you go in the Seattle metro area, the hotter it gets:

    Bellevue

    Issaquah

    Redmond

    I don't know where you got the 89 degree report, but it's definitely going to get hotter than that.  And it will stay humid.

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    Check msn.com weather (none / 0) (#37)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:57:07 AM EST
    I'm in Bellevue.

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    MSN Weather (none / 0) (#102)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:21:42 PM EST
    does not trump the National Weather Service.  I say, trust the latter.

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    :) Hard to trust any weather reports (none / 0) (#114)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 02:36:23 PM EST
    Local media/meteorolgists have today's forecast anywhere from 89 - 97, and no two agree :)

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    It's so hot in Ballard today (5.00 / 2) (#130)
    by shoephone on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:25:21 PM EST
    The lutefisk is marinating itself.

    Ain't no lye!

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    I often trust the WSDOT site (none / 0) (#136)
    by shoephone on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:33:00 PM EST
    because it has temperatures plus road conditions. You can always find good info on pass closures there as well.

    WSDOT Weather.

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    That global warming is nasty stuff (none / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:38:34 AM EST
    What's worse (none / 0) (#35)
    by Fabian on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:49:03 AM EST
    is that the effects aren't predictable, except in a very broad sense.  

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    broad as in, global average. (none / 0) (#49)
    by coigue on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:30:00 AM EST
    Your results may vary.

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    What about (none / 0) (#3)
    by CST on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:19:03 AM EST
    McCain?  He will be interesting to watch.  Good friends with Graham, part of the "nuclear gang of 14", and from a state with a high hispanic population.  If anyone else flips, my money is on him.

    yea (none / 0) (#4)
    by CST on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:22:00 AM EST
    I started to write "nuclear option" when I meant "gang of 14"

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    Someone posted this yesterday (none / 0) (#5)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:23:37 AM EST
    But I think it's good to repeat the estimated vote count.

    "Not Quite Hollywood" ... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:34:56 AM EST
    a great documentary about Australia exploitation movies of the sixties, seventies and eighties is opening in limited release this week.

    If you're offended by crude humor, four letter words, nudity or violence, stay away.

    Otherwise, go see it.  It's comprehensive and a lot of fun.  And you'll come away wanting to see most of the films it covers.  

    great trailer (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:49:30 AM EST
    not available on netflix yet but I put it in the que.

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    Sounds like it has all the (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 10:09:31 AM EST
    things I like--I want to see it.

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    nother interesting bit (none / 0) (#100)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:01:42 PM EST
    of directing news:

    David Cronenberg had signed to direct a film adaptation of the Don DeLillo novel Cosmopolis.
    DeLillo also wrote Underworld.  but this sounds like it was made for Cronenbergs quriky style.

    "The novel, which met with a mixed reception at best, takes place almost entirely in the limo over the span of one day."

    The story, set in New York before 9/11,
    It is a moment in time of the greatest economic boom in our country's history, prior to the most tragic and uncertain moment in our history. This novel could very well be the last definitive statement on pre-9/11 life in the United States, while at the same time encompasing the fear and
    uncertainty that inevitably laid ahead.


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    Sounds interesting ... (5.00 / 0) (#120)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 04:22:51 PM EST
    but I wish Cronenberg would go back to directing horror films.

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    My pet peeve. (none / 0) (#72)
    by coigue on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:35:22 PM EST
    I am on the west coast, so by the time I see a juicy diary, all the discussion is practically over here at TL.

    Feel lucky ... (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:37:29 PM EST
    another procrastinating excuse quashed.

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    Me too. (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:40:52 PM EST
    I get to work at 9AM PST and the Gates thread is already at around 150 comments. I barely get time to skim comments and dream up something oh so scintillating to add, and the thread's closed out. :-(

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    Good with the bad... (none / 0) (#89)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:47:46 PM EST
    You get to watch NFL games over breakfast...how cool is that?

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    Ever go to Hawaii? (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:52:27 PM EST
    Wake up in the AM, turn the TV on, and the games are already in progress. Don't even have to get out of bed.

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    They used to time delay ... (none / 0) (#93)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:50:22 PM EST
    some of them.

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    And when games go into overtime/extra innings (none / 0) (#97)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:54:23 PM EST
    at night, they still end at a fairly decent hour :)

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#86)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:42:32 PM EST
    we east coasters get first crack...I find myself waiting impatiently for the take from our west coast friends:)

    Don't let it stop you, worst case the east coast crew will catch you on the rebound in the am!

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    Killer Chipmunks! (none / 0) (#73)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:35:52 PM EST
    This is the latest silliness the UK's Sun newspaper is running with.

    Read it here.

    Let the (none / 0) (#82)
    by SOS on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:41:26 PM EST
    "consumer" credit card shopping orgy and house house-buying fiesta begin!

    Not sure why comments closed on the other thread (none / 0) (#98)
    by The Last Whimzy on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:55:20 PM EST
    But i wanted to restate my position that motive is a very significant aspect of law.  That, while a person may be guilty of something, their punishment will and should be determined by establishing motive.

    And just speaking for myself, while I am not Crowely or anyone speaking for the Cambridge police department, I, just speaking for myself, would be much more inclined to fess up and take responsibility for any improper action on my part if there was less discussion about my motive taking place.

    I hope people don't take that to mean i am naive about race being an issue in all aspects of society.

    But hate crime (whether one agrees with it or not) is also a facet of law wherein a prosecutor proves the motive was racial, sexist or homophobic in nature.  And as far as that's concerned it is not up to the accused to prove innocence on that charge, that innocent until proven guilty applies to motive too.

    There are some may think "Why defend Crowely at all?"... etc. etc. etc. ...

    We close them at 200 here (none / 0) (#99)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:00:39 PM EST
    New Gates thread above.

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    Family Feud? (none / 0) (#139)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 05:55:50 PM EST
    In a PBS series on African-American ancestry that he hosted in 2008, Gates discovered his Irish roots when he found he was descended from an Irish immigrant and a slave girl.

    He went to Trinity College in Dublin to have his DNA analyzed. There he found that he shared 10 of the 11 DNA matches with offspring of Niall of the Nine Hostages, the fourth century warlord who created one of the dominant strains of Irish genealogy because he had so many offspring.

    Ironically, James Crowley, whose name in Gaelic means "hardy warrior," is also descended from the same line as Gates, having very close links to Niall of the Nine Hostages.

    ABC

    Venezuela Freezes Colombia Relations (none / 0) (#149)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 12:51:54 AM EST
    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez froze diplomatic relations with Colombia late Tuesday, citing verbal aggressions from the neighboring South American country.

    Venezuelan Foreign Minister Nicolas Maduro speaks to journalists on Monday in Caracas.

    The televised announcement followed declarations from the Colombian government Monday that anti-tank weapons purchased by Venezuela ended up in the hands of the guerrilla Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, known as the FARC. In addition, Colombian President Alvaro Uribe said the guerrillas were trying to buy anti-aircraft missiles. Venezuela received a shipment of Russian SA-24 Igla shoulder-fired missiles earlier this year and showed them off at military parade in April.

    Chavez recalled Venezuela's ambassador to Colombia, as well as most of the embassy's staff.

    CNN