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The Return Of John C. Calhoun And Nullification

Via Yglesias, this is hilarious:

Gov. Rick Perry, raising the specter of a showdown with the Obama administration, suggested Thursday that he would consider invoking states’ rights protections under the 10th Amendment to resist the president’s healthcare plan, which he said would be "disastrous" for Texas.

Not since Andrew Jackson and John C. Calhoun grappled over tariffs have we seen a State claim the right to "nullify" a federal law. But Republicans seem capable anything these days. Hell, the Roberts Court might even uphold such a claim.

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    said it before (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:48:27 PM EST
    Molly Ivins is needed more than ever and was taken to soon.  she would have a field day with this.

    I agree. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 05:18:58 PM EST
    I miss Molly. She was the best thing about the Startlegram when I lived in the "Foat."

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    Independence? (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CST on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:04:32 PM EST
    We could just give them back to Mexico.  I'm sure they'd love that :)

    oy (none / 0) (#16)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:05:20 PM EST
    Let them go! (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:35:30 PM EST
    If the citizens of Texas accept him then they deserve what they get. What are his poll numbers? Maybe it's time for Texans to take back their government. Perry. Bush and Delay, is there something wrong with the water down there?

    So what about the 90 percent of Texans who aren't (none / 0) (#25)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:08:02 PM EST
    part of the Perry cabal? Please see my post below as the reason for me asking this.

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    Just secede already. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:15:57 PM EST
    One of the best reasons I give for leaving Texas is because they keep electing morons like Perry, Cornyn, and oh, yeah, that other guy, Bush.

    I wish he'd carry through on that secession idea. I'll happily come help build a new border fence.

    Might have a little trouble (none / 0) (#33)
    by jbindc on Sat Jul 25, 2009 at 12:39:41 PM EST
    with the holding of Texas v. White, decided after the Civil War, where the Court held that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".

    I know you were (half) kidding, but if Texas goes, it also takes the 2nd largest economy in the nation (15th largest in the world), the 2nd largest civilian workforce (and all their tax revenues), and the largest number of Fortune 500 corporate headquarters.

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    Eh, they'll never secede around here... (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by easilydistracted on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:32:36 PM EST
    Heck, they couldn't stand it that the Cowboys could no longer be deemed "America's Team."

    Wasn't the GOP recently trying (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:28:22 PM EST
    to nullify all states' gun control laws?

    Incorporation Doctrine (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:31:13 PM EST
    Indeed. Rick Perry should be against it but that requires someone to call them on it.

    See my post on the incompetence of the Media.

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    "Post" as in singular? (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:32:21 PM EST
    Most recent post then (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:41:04 PM EST
    And don't they consistently try to (none / 0) (#10)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:50:59 PM EST
    federalize all their favorite social laws?

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    Hold the presses (none / 0) (#4)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:38:47 PM EST
    The president has a healthcare plan?

    Why is Max Baucus wasting his time then?

    He has to (none / 0) (#9)
    by rdandrea on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:50:37 PM EST
    He needs to work off the $1.5 million in campaign contributions he got from the healthcare industry.

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#6)
    by CST on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:45:58 PM EST
    If he feels the same way about Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security/SCHIP/Federal Highway Funds/Welfare/FDA, etc...

    Scratch that, he probably does.

    He was talking about seceding (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:48:17 PM EST
    a few months ago, wasn't he? Not sure how he expects Texas to survive without all that federal defense spending though.

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    This guy. . . (none / 0) (#11)
    by andgarden on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:57:38 PM EST


    Actually (none / 0) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:00:41 PM EST
    Palin may have the jump on fluff over Governor Goodhair on this one as she signed House Joint Resolution 27 on July 10 in Alaska. The resolution "claims sovereignty for the state under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States."

    Heh (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:04:19 PM EST
    and this would be a bad thing because? (none / 0) (#17)
    by cpinva on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:26:34 PM EST
    in large part by reintroducing public hangings in the town square as entertainment for the entire family on an otherwise lazy Sunday afternoon.

    i'm guessing they could sell tickets to it. maybe even have a lottery drawing for hangman. this could solve two immediate problems:

    1. budget shortfalls.
    2. prison overcrowding.

    think of it as an educational experience for the kids.

    i do believe you may be on to something there donald! :)

    any votes for a new (none / 0) (#18)
    by cpinva on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:28:13 PM EST
    "kansas-nebraska act" while we're at it?

    Heh (none / 0) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:42:07 PM EST
    Great plan! (none / 0) (#19)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:29:50 PM EST
    I'm all for it.

    On the longshot of the Roberts court... (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:56:10 PM EST
    to uphold a claim for a state to nullify federal law...could that be used as precedent for states to nullify federal drug laws?  I know California is very interested.

    Rick Perry and his ilk (none / 0) (#23)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:06:29 PM EST
    offend me morally and ethically. Allow me to explain. I am a southerner. I am a Christian. I am a veteran, 11 years, and a couple of actions... perhaps more so conidering the Reagan years (There were Sith lords serving directly under Reagan-- especially his second term, but i digress).

    I am also a liberal. A true and proud Southern Liberal. Not a 'progressive,' which I think means "former republican who became sane.' To wit, I belong to the same genus and species as folks like Morris Dees and Gerald W. Johnson, even Jim Hightower, among other white, protestant, male liberals. Perry began life as a democrat. he became a republican in 1989.

    He probably claims that the 'democratic party left him' or other such claptrap. No. While he was never a liberal democrat, he chose to leave the party.

    He isn't really conservative, but he courts the Glenn Beck listeners. He's not a liberal, even though he favored Gardasil as a mandatory vaccination.

    He's a panderer. A talking head in a weak-governor state. Not my state, but still a southern state.

    Governor Perry, hush. You embarass yourself, and you embarass plenty of southerners. If you want to be a sesesh, and advocate for state's rights, refuse stimulus money and pay back the hurricane money.  Stop your silly jingoism.

    I am much less bothered by Haley Barbour or even Karl Rove than by these secessionist state-right governors from states where the governorship has no frikkin' power.

    Governor Perry, advocate the removal of Fort Hood, Fort Sam Houston, Fort Bliss, the naval air stations, the air force bases... get rid of these before you claim states' rights. Give up the I-35 corridor.

    Disgusting are the self-proclaimed conservatives who can't live without relief or funds from the military or highway department. Let an impetigo outbreak occur in the schools--- I am not wishing this on anyone, but using it for example-- and see how the governor screams for antibiotics from the feds.

    I know and knew some REAL conservatives. On a personal level, I thought Barry Goldwater was charming and trustworthy. Reagan actually BELIEVED  in what he said. I haven't met Joe Scarborough, but I'm convinced he believes in his position.

    I live in Alabama... most folks I meet are conservative. Sure, you'll hear 'the South shall rise again!" or see the occasional bumper sticker promoting folks to 'Ride with Forrest..." code for Bedford Forrest and the KKK, but most folks DON'T talk about secession, or the klan, or militas, not in this day and time. After all, it's treason when put into action, isn't it?

    Enough of my rant-- I hope to read some replies that can enlighten me.

    Great. CA will reject Fed pot laws (none / 0) (#24)
    by lilybart on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:06:36 PM EST
    that would be a start.

    This country just may be too big to govern and too stuck in ideologies.

    Maybe now we need STATES to do what they feel is best in every area possible.

    I am tired of the Southern cracker congresscritters trying to make me live their version of some holy book.

    Raisch case (none / 0) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:17:39 PM EST
    Another wonderful example of Right Wing hypocrisy.

    Oregon pot laws ruled unconstitutional.

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    BTD, IANAL, can you (none / 0) (#28)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:19:56 PM EST
    elucidate?

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    coming out of the various governments concerning marijuana remind me of a heck of a lot of Hungarians I met in the 70's and 80's, and almost all of the Yugoslavians, who always said "Yes! we are GOOD Communists!" The Magyars and the Yugoslavians would burst out laughing after saying so, if the situation permitted.

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    Rick Perry (none / 0) (#31)
    by abby0802 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 04:45:51 PM EST
    On behalf of SANE Texans, our apologies for our current governor aka Gov. Good Hair who thinks that he speaks for all of Texas....  He still thinks that the "good ole boys" run America.

    Oblivious to changing demographics and a failed, passe Republican ideology, Gov. Good Hair still thinks that Bush is president.....