Thursday Night Open Thread: Love is a Rose

Looks like Jillian Harris, the Bachelorette, is either going to end up alone or with someone who makes it the most dramatic finale ever in Bachelorette history.(Like they've never said that before.)

Love is a rose but you better not pick it,
Only grows when it's on the vine...

Here's Linda Ronstadt's 1977 version.

Ok, I know you don't care about the Bachelorette, so this is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Calling Military Tracy (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 07:06:07 PM EST
    This might be of interest to Josh.

    SALT LAKE CITY - Hundreds of tiny footprints left by mammals some 190 million years ago have been found on a canyon wall in a remote part of Dinosaur National Monument, park officials said Thursday.

    The tracks are a rare find, mostly because they were left at a time when the area was a hostile, vast Sahara-like desert where towering sand dunes seldom preserved signs of animal life.

    "It's just astonishing," Dan Chure, a paleontologist at the monument, said Thursday. "We were giggling like kids."

    Any baking fans out there? (5.00 / 0) (#3)
    by Anne on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 08:03:09 PM EST
    I stumbled on a really lovely website the other day that has gorgeous photos and some great - and interesting recipes:  Joy the Baker.

    And here's another one - also with wish-they-were-edible photos and mouth-watering recipes:  Pastry Studio.

    If you're not a baker, maybe you can convince someone you know to bake some of these recipes for you!

    thank you (3.00 / 2) (#8)
    by sher on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 08:50:06 PM EST
    Joy the Baker's recipes are very accessible; Pastry Studio recipes more challenging but plan to try one this weekend

    Beautiful (none / 0) (#68)
    by daring grace on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 10:00:22 AM EST
    Thanks, Anne.

    asdf (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 08:43:21 PM EST
    moving from a college town at the end of summer is the pits...just finding a rental truck is impossible.

    Since I'm far from student age, I'll be driving to the local mission frequently with donations. For example, I counted tonight, and I have five-- yes FIVE pressure cookers in the house. I may have a sixth in storage.

    These aren't pressure canners, mind, but cookers. Ranging from 2 quarts to 6. How did I wind up with so many?

    Good news, though, I did find my 30 quart menudo pot. and six-- yes six-- vaporizers.

    5 twin blankets, a down comforter, three, possibly four other comforters, an electric blanket... and I live in Alabama...I guess I was preparing for the next ice age, lol.

    Wait till tomorrow's open thread, after I begin to go through the self-storage!

    No wonder my wife left-- she wanted to get away from all of the stuff!

    Real pressure cookers, or crock pots? (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 08:49:36 PM EST
    Either way, that is truly amazing. Keep us posted on the collection.

    I couldn't believe how many trips I made to Goodwill when I moved. I had a whole suitcase full of t-shirts...and about 4 extra suitcases. And every variety of space-heater devised by man. I had one cold room in my house in Colorado I was always trying to heat without overheating the rest of the house.

    I sore I would pretend I was moving every year after just to clean stuff out...but I haven't. I'm sure it will be just as bad next time.


    pressure cookers are great for (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 08:54:26 PM EST
    mashed potatoes. They cook baking potatoes in 6 or 7 minutes, then you just add milk, butter and salt and mash.



    Dried beans to soup or stew in 20-30 minutes, too. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 08:59:34 PM EST
    neckbones, some potatoes, cumin, and that's a meal in a pot.

    I'm not moving for a few months (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by nycstray on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 08:58:44 PM EST
    and I've already started clearing out. OY. This is when it s*cks to be me with my hobbies.

    For the record, and since (none / 0) (#24)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:32:07 PM EST
    the other thread was closed, I have never been arrested, or questioned by the cops....Would it had been me.  They picked on someone less able to deal with it....

    Sorry for my misunderstanding (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by nycstray on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:48:01 PM EST
    you were acting like it was you in your comments to refute mine.

    My sympathies to who ever it was that you may (or may not? don't want to assume anymore) know.

    Any thoughts on having police put guns in your face, which you don't seem to consider "abuse" or "damage"? Got any personal experience there?


    Gun in the face--terrible (none / 0) (#33)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:57:44 PM EST
    I'm sorry that happened to you....

    My experience with that type of thing:  some and years ago in a different country.  It did not bother me, although it probably should have.  My attitude was that I was an American and they wouldn't dare.  I was greatly disturbed, though, by what I saw happen to others....

    And, thank you, for expressing concern about the person arrested....I have mentioned sexual assault elsewhere.


    tops and everything. I have at least one crockpot somewhere, also.

    I also located my 20-quart pressure canner. Heck, I've been eating food I canned 4-6 years ago with no ill effects... guess I'll start canning again. I'll find a paranoid reason, such as potential famine, or something...

    but the home canned stews and chicken and soups do taste better than the store bought stuff!

    Oh, Ruffian, I did find seven air filters to go with all of the vaporizers.


    I bought one pressure canner (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by nycstray on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 09:06:16 PM EST
    and quickly had several canners/cookers. LOVE them!!! I love this one as I can keep it off on the counter and it leaves the stove free. Plus it has timers :)

    And yes, I have loved having my own canned soups and such. Not ever going back to the commercial way :) Oh, and no need for famine as an excuse, just think of our food safety "system", lol!~


    Well, at least you keep all the pieces together (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 09:09:45 PM EST
    to your various pieces of equipment!

    Thanks for the pressure cooking tips, all.  Not much of a cook, but I'll think about that.


    I gave my mom the electric one (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by nycstray on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 09:25:03 PM EST
    as a present. She really likes it. And the convenience really makes cooking meals easier with a shorter window of deciding what you want to cook. Which I like also!

    I love them for soups and one pots and also for beans. And of course canning broths, soups, etc. Much better than freezing as there's no thawing involved. When I get hungry, I can just pop open a soup that I made, or a jar of broth for something I want to cook. I love having that much control of my food, because it really is my food!


    That is a great point (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 09:27:19 PM EST
    I like the idea of the short window for deciding. A lot of the reason I don't cook much is that I don't plan ahead for it very well.

    And I do love soup....maybe i'll put a pressure cooker on my christmas list.


    I eat even better having the cookers (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by nycstray on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 09:48:14 PM EST
    instead of just "snacking" a meal, I make better meals because I don't have to plan too far ahead. Even though I work at home and can slow or stove cook a soup/one pot meal/etc, it's much better not having to make that decision early in the day, lol!~

    Also, if you ever end up canning, one thing that is great, is control of what's in the jar. I control my sodium etc. Another thing I do, is when I roast a chicken, after the meal, I pull all the meat off and throw the bones in the cooker for broth. I save all my veggie prep scraps in the freezer and throw those in also. Bingo, you have broth in a very short period of time. And it rocks and costs basically nothing :)


    I don't know if you eat pork, (none / 0) (#27)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:36:01 PM EST
    but brown some cheap pork cuts, throw ina can of crushed pineapple, an onion, some water, corn stach ans soy sauce, and in about 15 minutes or less, Hawaiian pork! Other veggies as desired,any old scraps will do!

    Yes, I get my pork direct from (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by nycstray on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:40:07 PM EST
    a rancher upstate! Thanks for the recipe!! I actually have some pineapple I've canned  ;) Will come in handy with my next round of bok choy from my farmer :)

    Nycstray, I finally got around (none / 0) (#34)
    by vml68 on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:04:51 PM EST
    to placing an order with 8o'clock Ranch, wanted to thank you again for the link. Their prices are great compared to Simply Grazin' and Cherry Grove in NJ. I spoke to Kassandra a couple of times and she was very nice.

    All right you guys (none / 0) (#59)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 07:21:53 AM EST
    I'm sold!!

    I may end up with five of them too before long!


    I must be the anti packrat! (none / 0) (#57)
    by Fabian on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 06:04:34 AM EST
    [not true]
    Because I've been in the market for a pressure cooker for two years and haven't bought one yet!

    Maybe when the kids are back in school I'll check out the secondhand shops.  Good equipment lasts.  Good equipment also costs beaucoup de bucks new.  I've been pondering an All Clad skillet, but my last remaining nonstick skillet hasn't completely died yet.

    If you are looking for someone to jump start the economy, it's not going to be me! ;-)


    Jeff I can't begin to imagine why your wife left (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 09:34:02 PM EST
    But if I were going to write a story the 'pressure cooker' marriage would be a great metaphor!

    I need to think about that! (none / 0) (#25)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:34:06 PM EST
    A great idea for continuity!

    Freecycle, Jeff (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:35:29 PM EST
    Go look up the Freecycle Web site and see if there's a group in your area.  It's an email list you subscribe to where people offer stuff they don't want for free to folks who might need it, and they come pick it up.

    We have a couple of very active groups here in VT, since we have pretty strict trash disposal laws and have to pay to throw stuff away.

    It's a really terrific way of getting rid of stuff you don't want and having it go to people who really need it.  You can also almost always get people's used moving boxes and packing materials, too, and save yourself a bunch of money, not to mention reuse stuff that would otherwise go in the trash.

    I've seen offered and taken everything from washers and dryers and refrigerators to chicken coops to dishes and appliances and other kitchen stuff to crafting supplies and books.  I gave away an old woodstove, and asked for and got bags and bags of fall leaves for mulching and compost since my trees don't produce enough for me.


    I'll try that site. (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:41:09 PM EST
    At my corner market, they just hired a poor woman who spent 12 years at a textile mill, then 8 years at walmart, now unemployed. I'm giving her dishes, a bed, mattress and box springs, and one of the pressure cookers, among other items.

    She needs them, and needs them at what I'll charge... pick it up. I have some decorations, etc, she might like also.

    I checked, we do have a group here. I'll keep y'all informed.


    Check churches also (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by nycstray on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:54:08 PM EST
    We give our "leftover" produce from our CSA distribution to a church that gets it to a food service for those that need. I'm planning on talking to the pastor about seeing if anyone needs my extra kitchen stuff first, before I randomly give it. I'm pretty sure the pastor would PU, seeing as he does it every Sat with the produce :)

    Freecycle rocks though. I got a free industrial sewing machine :) and that's where my "goods" are going after the church.


    Oh, good for you! (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 12:45:23 AM EST
    My sense with the Freecyle here, anyway, is that most of the people who subscribe are lower-income who really need stuff just to get by.  Not all, but an awful lot.  You can read some really tragic stories in the emails about illness, job loss, foreclosure, etc.  Everything I've given away through them has gone to people who really need it.

    I just leave unwanted stuff... (5.00 / 0) (#63)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 08:45:22 AM EST
    on the curb, somebody usually grabs it before the garbage man comes...you always see a couple scavengers driving around at the crack of dawn.

    I had not heard of Freecycle (none / 0) (#66)
    by vml68 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 09:29:27 AM EST
    so thank-you for sharing that.

    Bill Cosby On Gates Arrest (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 09:03:03 PM EST
    Although I don't always agree with him, in this regard I agree with him 100%.

    Cosby on Boston's WZLX:
    "I've heard about five different reports [on the details of the arrest]. If I'm the president of the United States, I don't care how much pressure people want to put on it about race, I'm keeping my mouth shut. I was shocked to hear the president making this kind of statement."

    Cosby on Boston's FOX 25 TV:
    "People who have not been there, people who don't know are beginning to have their own personal feelings, but they weren't there."

    Jon Stewart just did a very funny bit, (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:50:32 PM EST
    talking and moving in slow motion, desperately advising Obama against answering the Gates question. The cats even woke up and stared at the TeeVee.

    I just went to Lynn Sweet's blog, since she asked the question about race, Gates, and the police. She swears up and down that Obama didn't know she would ask that question, and I believe her. However, Obama was remarkably voluble, and definitive, in the way he answered the question.

    He reminded everyone that as a member of the Illinois state Senate, he worked on a racial profiling bill "because there was indisputable evidence that blacks and Hispanics were being stopped disproportionately. And that is a sign, an example of how, you know, race remains a factor in the society." [Well, good, but then...]

    As for Gates, "I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

    The facts are not all known. Gates was not arrested for being in his home, but on a disorderly conduct charge for allegedly mouthing off to the police.

    Obama, in a lighter [and confounding] moment, imagined what would happen if, like Gates, he "jimmied his way" into his house.

    "I mean, if I was trying to jigger into -- well, I guess this is my house now, so -- it probably wouldn't happen. But let's say my old house in Chicago -- here I'd get shot."

    Imo, Obama was expecting somebody to ask the question and his provocative response was prepared; perhaps knowing full well it would divert reportage, and public discourse, away from the ginormously flawed health insurance 'reform' plan.


    Yes, prepared (5.00 / 0) (#46)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 12:49:04 AM EST
    which is what's so astonishing about it.  White House reporters have been saying today the White House had told them ahead of time they expected a question or two on Gates.

    Therefore absolutely astonishing to me that he didn't even have the basic facts of the case right when he gave himself permission to pronounce judgment.  I'm really quite stunned.


    Obama's answer on Gates was a pre-fab side-show. (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:20:43 AM EST
    That conclusion is further validated by your info about the White House advance media notice that they expected (wanted?) some questions on Gates at the press conference on health care. So, thanks Gyr.

    As for Obama's apparent lack of clarity on the facts - I think it may have been a ruse that produced several fortuitous effects for the press and the Administration: number one (snark), Obama's factual inaccuracy gave the press an extra sexed-up element to add to the hullabaloo; number two, Obama's addled facts furthered the illusion that his answer was unrehearsed; number three, Obama's inaccurate version has added to the public's inability to sort out the various conflicting accounts of the story; and number four, the media will soon come full circle and use the topic of public confusion to keep the side-show going for another couple of news cycle.

    NET RESULT: Obama is off the hot seat regarding health care 'reform'. I guess we'll see if they manage to run out the clock.


    lol (none / 0) (#48)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:43:05 AM EST
    Another punchline...  Messed up even with prep, just to derail health care in america..

    Good one.


    Clever of Gates to get himself arrested too (5.00 / 0) (#60)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 07:25:10 AM EST
    All for the cause of getting Obama off the healthcare hotseat!

    lol (none / 0) (#69)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 10:37:06 AM EST
    Best punchline, imo..  good one!

    Opportunistic (none / 0) (#75)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:13:16 PM EST
    My widget dictionary puts it in a sentence as follows:
    a calculating and opportunistic politician.

    Great Punch Line (none / 0) (#41)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 12:07:46 AM EST
    ...his provocative response was prepared; perhaps knowing full well it would divert reportage, and public discourse, away from the ginormously flawed health insurance 'reform' plan.

    Not being there... (5.00 / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 08:51:11 AM EST
    hasn't stopped the law and order crowd from quoting the police report as fact.

    Ya don't have to have been there to know the guy got arrested for no f*ckin' reason!  The proof is in the dimissal of charges.


    Nostalgia (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 12:31:15 AM EST
    Haven't seen this kind of Hillary hate, ever.. North Korea unloads.

    In response to this no doubt:

    "What we've seen is this constant demand for attention," Clinton, who is in India, said in an interview that aired on Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America."

    "And maybe it's the mother in me or the experience that I've had with small children and unruly teenagers and people who are demanding attention -- don't give it to them, they don't deserve it, they are acting out," she said.

    Clinton also downplayed the threat that North Korea poses to the United States, saying: "They don't pose a threat to us. We know that our allies, Japan and South Korea, are very concerned."

    Reuters via war & piece

    I'm not gonna disagree with her characterization! (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by otherlisa on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:02:49 AM EST
    For all the demonizing we've seen our leaders do in recent years, I gotta say...North Korea is wacky. When they manage to massively p1ss off even China, you know they've gone over the line.

    Squeaky, your link does not work. n/t (none / 0) (#52)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:31:05 AM EST
    The Reuters link works (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:17:32 AM EST
    See here.

    Works With My Browser (none / 0) (#70)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 10:38:18 AM EST
    If there is anyone in the world with (none / 0) (#61)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 07:26:47 AM EST
    experience in dealing with people needing inordinate amounts of attention, it has to be Hillary Clinton. I have to defer to her expertise in this matter.

    i love this (5.00 / 0) (#64)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 08:48:41 AM EST
    in the "stupidly" argument this from a police officer in an msnbc article:

    "It's unfortunate because there are so many other police cases where an elected official has made a comment that wasn't correct, comments that could have been better worded," he said. "Look at Rodney King. It's a high-profile case, and everyone is entitled to an opinion."

    I don't know if throwing up Rodney King is a good example here......

    Oakland Weed Tax (none / 0) (#2)
    by squeaky on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 07:25:51 PM EST
    Against the backdrop of budget deficits across the Golden State, the Californian city of Oakland votes yes to a proposal to tax the sale of medical marijuana.


    The new measure places a 1.8 percent gross receipts tax on the four licensed medical cannabis dispensaries in Oakland.


    Forgot about that song (none / 0) (#4)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 08:36:01 PM EST
    Ronstadt's version was a staple of my college days...from the red greatest hits album...when I wasn't wailing 'Long, Long, Time'  at the top of my lungs.  Such a tortured soul I was at 20!


    Had to look (5.00 / 0) (#5)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 08:42:19 PM EST
    Linda Ronstadt doing Long Long Time on The Midnight Special, early 70's.

    She is so good...still a great tune...


    Beautiful voice (none / 0) (#28)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 10:37:17 PM EST
    I had the Different Drum and Heart Like a Wheel albums.  

    Oh, Jeralyn (none / 0) (#14)
    by Democratic Cat on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 09:05:43 PM EST
    Some of us care more about The Batchelorette than we are willing to admit. :-)

    Really glad I'm not (none / 0) (#36)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:31:08 PM EST
    the only one!

    I care about the Bachelorette! (none / 0) (#49)
    by otherlisa on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:00:49 AM EST
    You'd better believe I'm buying party supplies for this coming Monday!

    I just noticed that there is a 3d movie out (none / 0) (#17)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 09:24:41 PM EST
    Ice Ace Dawn of the dinosaurs. 3d movies bring back childhood memories. Has anyone seen it? Is the 3d the same as the old movies and does the fact that it is 3d add or subtract from the movie?

    Haven't seen a 3D for a long time either (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 09:29:15 PM EST
    But a friend told me yesterday that the 3D version of 'Night at the Museum' is one of the best movies he's ever seen. I think he meant the newer Smithsonian movie.   3D must be a lot better than it was when I was a kid.

    I'm tempted to go see this one (none / 0) (#22)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 09:42:11 PM EST
    just to check out the 3d. Must not have been paying attention to movies when the 3D version of 'Night at the Museum' came out.

    3-D is very popular these days. (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by EL seattle on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:25:34 AM EST
    Some of the movies are considerably better than others, of course.  James Cameron's next film "Avatar" is pretty much designed for 3-D IMAX theaters, from the sounds of it.

    Personally, I really enjoyed the recent animated film called Up. (reviews)  I thought that it used its 3-D design to add a quality of lovely multilayered storybook illustration to the film, rather than just use 3-D for in-your-face gimmickry.

    (Not that there's anything wrong with in-your-face gimmickry.  But if someone's ever seen "Dr. Tongue's 3-D House of Pancakes", it's hard to settle for lesser gimmickry.)


    Yes, the modern 3D ... (none / 0) (#56)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 03:46:38 AM EST
    is much more enjoyable to watch.  The actual effect is similar, but the modern systems lend it greater stability, and it doesn't produce headaches or eyestrain.  Even the glasses are more comfortable.

    I wouldn't want to see all movies in 3D, but it's fun for certain types of movies.


    Pelosi (none / 0) (#35)
    by squeaky on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:28:16 PM EST
    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday that she doesn't feel bound by the $235 billion in deals that the White House and the Senate Finance Committee cut with hospital and pharmaceutical companies to defray costs of a new health-care plan, stating that
    she thinks the industries could do more

    Nice. to have these problems. Somewhat of a relief from the last eight years.

    Good for Pelosi (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:47:35 PM EST
    All we have is the word of the various health industry players. Why should we take them at their word? They lie all the time.

     Obama and Baucus did not get anything in writing, nothing in the way of a binding legal agreement. Good on Pelosi for not being taken in by these worthless and unenforceable "agreements."


    Where did the $2 trillion go? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 01:08:42 AM EST
    Someone in an earlier thread posted that Obama announced the health care industry agreed to $2 trillion in savings over 10 years. Pelosi is quoting a savings of $155 billion from the health care industry and $80 billion from the pharmaceutical companies.

    Did the health care back away from the $2 trillion statement?


    The health care industry reneged on the $2 trill (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 02:56:38 AM EST
    Here it is, May 15, 2009: That Didn't Take Long: Insurance Industry Breaks Promise To President Obama:

    Mr. Obama invited health industry leaders [including lobbyists] to the White House on Monday to trumpet their cost-control commitments...[two trillion dollars over 10 years]. But three days later, confusion swirled in Washington as the companies' trade associations raced to tamp down angst among members around the country [snip].

    [They said] that President Obama had substantially overstated their promise earlier this week to reduce the growth of health spending [snip].

    So we've gone from commitments to eventualities, targets, and non-specific understandings. This just proves what the American people have known all along: You can't trust the insurance industry with health care reform.

    That is what I thought (none / 0) (#58)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 06:53:17 AM EST
    I tried to find that or similar article earlier to respond to the quote on the $2 trillion dollars but couldn't locate it (google challenged).



    Sen Kirsten Gillibrand (none / 0) (#37)
    by squeaky on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:43:41 PM EST
    As I've written over at DailyKos and as I told Howard Dean last week, I believe that a robust not-for-profit public option must be a part of the health care reform package Congress passes this year. I feel that opening up a Medicare For All type system to everyone would lower costs and increase efficiency by injecting some much needed competition into the market.


    I truly believe that health care is a right, not a privilege, and that the time for real reform -- including a public option -- is now.


    Seems like Gillibrand is slightly to the right of Maloney

    "I believe universal health care is a fundamental right and value and we must pass it this year.
    "In terms of how we achieve universal health care, I believe the best way is a single-payer health care system and I've long been a co-sponsor of that legislation.

    But if single payer isn't on the table then we must give all Americans the option of enrolling in a public health insurance plan and I will fight to make sure the public option is included in any health care reform bill. As President Obama has said, a public plan is one of the best ways to bring down costs and 'force the insurance companies to compete and keep them honest.'

    Wonder if Maloney is speaking literally (none / 0) (#40)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 11:53:32 PM EST
    in this comment.

    we must give all Americans the option of enrolling in a public health insurance plan

    That is quite a bit different than what is currently in the bills. Would be nice if all Democrats fought for an all inclusive plan.


    Uh Oh (none / 0) (#42)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 12:19:43 AM EST
    When President Barack Obama appointed former Seattle, Washington police chief Gil Kerlikowske to lead the Office of National Drug Control Policy, activists supporting marijuana policy reform were cheered by the news, however briefly.


    Kerlikowske's appointment came on the heels of Attorney General Eric Holder's announcement that America would not longer prosecute patients who are legally prescribed the herb in states that have passed laws allowing medicinal marijuana. Holder's announcement fell in-line with Obama's repeated-yet-quiet endorsement of marijuana for medical use as "entirely appropriate" for states in which a majority of voters approve.

    Even though Kerlikowske's former city is famously tolerant of marijuana -- which is less harmful and less addictive than America's most popular, legal intoxicant, alcohol -- that did not stop America's new drug czar from demeaning the president's position on medicinal use, telling a crowd in Fresno, California on Wednesday that marijuana is "dangerous" and "has no medical benefit," according to The Fresno Bee.

    He has no medical training and did not qualify his statements with any opinions from medical professionals.


    More (none / 0) (#43)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 12:21:47 AM EST
    The federal government is not going to pull back on its efforts to curtail marijuana farming operations, Gil Kerlikowske, director of the White House's Office of National Drug Control Policy, said Wednesday in Fresno.
    The nation's drug czar, who viewed a foothill marijuana farm on U.S. Forest Service land with state and local officials earlier Wednesday, said the federal government will not support legalizing marijuana.
    "Legalization is not in the president's vocabulary, and it's not in mine," he said.

    Fresno Bee


    People can opt out. Choice. (none / 0) (#62)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 07:58:27 AM EST
    [new] You have to be kidding! (none / 0) (#202)
    by Cards In 4 on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 08:48:52 PM EST

    Since when do my body parts belong to the state when I die unless I make a decision otherwise?  I have always signed my donor card  but to use people's ignorance or indifference in this area is wrong.  And that is what advocates are relying on.
    The best thing about Illinois is they don't have a helmet law for motorcycles.  If you want to increase organ donors repeal all helmet laws.  Or allow people to sell their organs and watch the supply increase.  

    Governments have too many controls on people's freedom when they are alive.  Giving them your body parts when you die and putting the burden on you to decide otherwise is too much.

    The American people cannot be trusted (none / 0) (#67)
    by CST on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 09:35:29 AM EST
    To judge a dance competition.  I can't believe they voted the best dancer out of the top 6.

    Hatch will oppose Sotomayor (none / 0) (#71)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:52:37 AM EST
    WASHINGTON - Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah), a longtime member and former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, today issued the following statement on the nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to replace Supreme Court Justice David Souter:

    "I entered into the confirmation process of Judge Sotomayor with the strong desire to vote in favor of her nomination. Her credentials and experience are very impressive and her personal demeanor is pleasantly cordial and friendly. I found that the great respect I have for Judge Sotomayor's heritage and history added even more to my desire to carefully review her record and opinions in hopes of finding them truly grounded in the rule of law and acceptable to earn the support and trust of the American people and myself.

    "Arriving at a final decision was particularly difficult because I like and highly respect Judge Sotomayor and, in general, give a great deal of deference to any President's nominee. The prospect of a woman of Puerto Rican heritage serving on the Supreme Court brought great excitement to me and says a lot about America.

    "However, after thoroughly reviewing Judge Sotomayor's record and being able to hear her testimony and responses during the hearing process, I reluctantly, and with a heavy heart, have found that I cannot support her nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court. In truth, I wish President Obama had chosen a Hispanic nominee that all Senators could support. I believe it would have done a great deal for our great country. Although Judge Sotomayor has a compelling life story and dedication to public service, her statements and record were too much at odds with the principles about the judiciary in which I deeply believe.

     "As I said during the hearing, some of Judge Sotomayor's critics have been intemperate and unfair.  No nominee deserves that kind of treatment.  I was grateful her confirmation hearing was both dignified and thorough, as they all should be. I was particularly pleased that Judge Sotomayor felt her hearing was as gracious and fair as she could have asked for.

    "During my analysis, I focused on her record and applied standards and principles that define the kind of judge all Americans need.  Qualifications for judicial service include not only legal experience but, more importantly, a nominee's approach to judging.  This makes Judge Sotomayor's judicial philosophy more important than her stellar resume.  I thoroughly examined her record with the more exacting focus appropriate for a Supreme Court nomination.  This included reading and studying Judge Sotomayor's speeches, articles, and cases; meeting with and hearing from legal experts and advocates from different perspectives; and actively participating in the confirmation hearing.

    "The duty of confirmation entrusted to all Senators requires we determine whether Judge Sotomayor has the legal experience and, more importantly, the judicial philosophy that properly equips her for service on the Supreme Court.  I have done my best to leave politics aside and stay true to this standard during all twelve Supreme Court confirmations I have participated in. It saddens me to realize that after reviewing her record, I have reluctantly concluded that I cannot vote in favor of her confirmation. However, I wish her well in her future endeavors and believe she is a wonderful and talented American with much to offer this great country."

    I think that Sotomayer's future (none / 0) (#73)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 12:11:34 PM EST
    endeavors will be as a justice on SCOTUS. Kind of Hatch to wish her well in her endeavors there. {snark}

    No Surprise (none / 0) (#72)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 11:55:54 AM EST
    A Singaporean law professor has pulled out of a teaching stint at New York University after her hardline anti-gay views triggered a backlash on campus, school officials said.

    Richard Revesz, dean of New York University's law school, said Thio Li-ann had informed him she would not be teaching during the fall semester because of "controversy surrounding her views regarding homosexuality and gay rights."

    "She explained that she was disappointed by what she called the atmosphere of hostility by some members of our community towards her views and by the low enrolments in her classes," he said in a statement seen Friday.


    Not to mention that almost no one signed up for her class.

    I'm disappointed that (none / 0) (#74)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 24, 2009 at 12:15:53 PM EST
    New York University hired her to begin with.

    Members of the community should be praised for hostility towards her views and I'm glad she will not be given a forum to further promote them.