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Jackson Browne prevailed over John McCain in his lawsuit for McCain's use of "Running on Empty" during his presidential campaign. They settled, the amount wasn't disclosed and McCain apologized.

Funny, that of all the songs McCain could have chosen, he picked the one that most resembled his own campaign.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Took a class on sourdough bread (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:16:20 PM EST
    making tonight. Interesting! Bought the book Breads from the La Brea Bakery as a crutch and also to expand beyond "just plain sourdough". We were given some starter from the instructors master batch named Concord. Now I need to think of a name for mine . . . and work out a feeding schedule, lol!~ I think Sundays will be my bread day since Saturdays are so busy with the CSA and the loot I bring home, photography, preserving and meal planning . . .

    I so love sourdough bread . . .

    One of the things I really like about the classes, is we get to compare ingredients. This time it was flours for taste, texture and smell. There was one flour that's only grown on about 8 farms right now. It was/is pretty drought resistant and was grown in the Dust Bowl days.

    Next up are Hydrocolloids, Condiments, and Modern Italian Dolci. I almost signed up for artisan ice cream again (the guy makes some interesting ice cream!) and sausages because they were going German this round, but I resisted :-P I have noticed the ice cream truck now has a spot in our 'hood, so I'll go do some tasting there :)

    Stop! (5.00 / 0) (#13)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:37:03 PM EST
    Y'r making me hungry!

    I have to say, though, I sure wish more bakeries would make yeast breads. I like sourdough well enough, but the flavor is just too strong for me for frequent use and seems to just take over and overpower whatever it's meant to accompany.  There are dozens of small artisanal bakeries in Vermont, some even attempting to grow their own wheat here, but they're about 95 percent sourdough.  What I wouldn't give for a really good plain, yeasty baguette!

    Do you know, is yeast just so impossibly difficult to work with?

    Did you get to bake with those different flours or just play with them?

    I do envy you those cooking classes.  Nothing like that anywhere near here, alas.

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    It's not that yeast is hard (none / 0) (#17)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:55:56 PM EST
    to work with. It's that most traditional European bread is made with a sponge instead of commercial yeast. Making and preserving that sponge creates a bit of a "sour" effect. The bread will be more or less sour depending on the type of flour and the age of the sponge. And, since the artisan breads most commonly made in the U.S. are based on these European breads, we get that taste.

    What we think of as sourdough bread in this country is a pretty exaggerated version of the sponge process. That starter is, for some folks, almost an heirloom. I know people who are baking with the same, albeit refreshed, sourdough starter they developed in the 70s.

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    I've always been afraid of (none / 0) (#18)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 12:19:03 AM EST
    bread making until I ran across this. I tried and I can do!!! Then I discover the 5-minute bread book which is basically the same thought process. But the downside is the fridge space you need for the dough, which isn't good for me.

    My mom made bread as I grew up. It always 'looked' difficult to me, so I always stayed away from it. I'm thrilled I can make the no-knead, as that's the type of bread that appeals to me aside from sourdough (remember, I lived in SF). I'm basically a total bread newbie because of my now resolved fear. I don't find yeast impossible yet. What we learned tonight made yeast sound even more reasonable, along with the different flours. Also, bread in a way can have a lot of fails, but it is more forgiving than other baking as far as measuring. Temp seems to be one of the big issues. Air, ingredients etc.

    We didn't bake with all the flours, but did get to taste a couple different blends baked up. Oh, and the "sour" depends on starter, and also things like the air (why SF has good SD), and age/feeding/care. Some that you can buy aren't actually SD, but have a "sour" added. I do think the artisan sours can be decent, but it's finding one you like. I had found one that I was fairly happy with, but then, I couldn't find it. I actually have never eaten a lot of bread. But I do like a good bread when I do. If I can get a starter I like, I'll be in heaven.  And I'll still make the NYT no-knead also :)

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    Started baking bread in the early 70s (none / 0) (#20)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 12:30:42 AM EST
    I love bread making. For a time, before I moved to Oregon, I made all the bread my family ate. I find it to be a meditation. So calming.

    The 5 minute a day bread is a good option for folks who are pressed for time. You're right, though. You need the refrigerator space for the 6 quart container.

    I haven't tried the no-knead bread yet. I gather you are a fan.

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    I'm a fan of the NYT way (none / 0) (#22)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 12:40:30 AM EST
    especially in the fall/winter when I'm doing meals that scream for artisan type bread. I like that 5 minutes before I go to bed, I can mix it up and leave it. By the end of the next day, I have it with my dinner and I haven't done much of anything :)

    I think I may find bread making to be calming also. I was just lacking the info to dive in :)

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    Bittman (none / 0) (#29)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 09:45:58 AM EST
    is my hero.... ;-)

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    Did you catch his 101 salads?! (none / 0) (#33)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 06:30:26 PM EST
    I'm going to try as many as work with my CSA shares :)

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    well the Marlins are again beating (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 10:44:30 PM EST
    The Pads.What else is new?

    Go Fish!!! (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 10:56:15 PM EST
    and may I tender a request...please never send me to the urban dictionary again lol

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    The definition you sent me to (none / 0) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:28:07 PM EST
    was nothing I wanted to wake up to this morning lol

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    Sorry I googled to see if my (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:39:30 PM EST
    Spelling might be an alternate. Guess not.

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    The Yanks nudged the Sox (none / 0) (#4)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 10:56:16 PM EST
    outta first tonight. What else is new?   ;)

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    I didn't think the Yankees would (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:01:25 PM EST
    Catch up this year. Wrong again.

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    Oh, they can still crash and burn! (none / 0) (#7)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:19:04 PM EST
    But they do like to get our attention at least once a year ;) I'm hoping the Mets get healthy and at least play some better ball. I like seeing both teams doing well. Makes for more happy Nyers too!

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    Thank you Rangers for nudging (none / 0) (#25)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 07:30:10 AM EST
    the Sox out of first place. It would be great to get a sweep of this series tonight. BTW, I'll tinker with uploading those pix of Haley Dog (the Dal) this weekend.

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    Cool! (none / 0) (#34)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 06:31:17 PM EST
    Can't wait to see her! :)

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    Boo (none / 0) (#31)
    by CST on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 11:29:21 AM EST
    Erin Andrews (none / 0) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 10:54:27 PM EST
    An attorney for Erin and also ESPN have released statements today.

    From Marshall B. Grossman of Bingham McCutchen LLP attorney for Erin Andrews:


    "While alone in the privacy of her hotel room, Erin Andrews was surreptitiously videotaped without her knowledge or consent. She was the victim of a crime and is taking action to protect herself and help ensure that others are not similarly violated in the future. Although the perpetrator or perpetrators of this criminal act have not yet been identified, when they are identified she intends to bring both civil and criminal charges against them and against anyone who has published the material. We request respect of Erin's privacy at this time, while she and her representatives are working with the authorities."

    From ESPN:

    "Erin has been grievously wronged here. Our people and resources are in full support of her as she deals with this abhorrent act."  

    Not sure what law this would fall under but I'd love to see the folks behind this video get slapped down hard.

    I hope there's a law in that state (none / 0) (#8)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:21:59 PM EST
    against this surreptitious videotaping, that the legislature there has acted.

    I know a young woman who was subjected to this, and in her own apartment, by an awful landlord some years ago.  The cops and DA could not find an applicable law.  So our local state legislator got on it and drafted a bill, and the young woman who never got her day in court instead got her day in the state legislature to testify.  She was so brave and did so brilliantly that the law was passed in record time -- and ever since, because she acted, others have been able to prosecute such actions.

    Anyone here who is not sure about their state might want to check to take steps now for people to be able to prosecute this video voyeurism.

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    For a lawyer I guess (none / 0) (#9)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:27:03 PM EST
    If the video was sent across state lines via the Internet, would it then be accusable under any state which had a law? or just the state where it was videotaped?

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    I 'thought" I heard tonight (none / 0) (#11)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:28:31 PM EST
    only something like 11 states have laws? Are there federal laws that could apply? Or something? After all, this went "global" on the internet.

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    The only good news... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 08:05:23 AM EST
    I've heard in relation to this story is that many of the links to the video have turned out to be computer viruses...a little karmic payback for the horndogs trying to ogle this poor woman.

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    Sounds like (none / 0) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:33:28 PM EST
    We are running the same thought processes on this one. Would be a great test case as I suspect she would be a star witness leading to laws on this passed everywhere.

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    I hope we as a country (none / 0) (#15)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:45:02 PM EST
    aren't that far behind the 8Ball on this type of violation/crime. If states have laws, obviously there's been enough time for the country to have laws. And this type of thing certainly isn't that new.

    It would be interesting to see if this goes anywhere, and if so, how it effects the paparazzi and some of the privacy boundaries they cross at times.

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    We are that far behind (none / 0) (#35)
    by Cream City on Thu Jul 23, 2009 at 08:13:24 AM EST
    as a country on this problem, yes.  Looked into it, found that the number of states like mine that have passed laws against it is only about a dozen.

    Good, creative, driven cops and DAs can try to find other laws to apply.  Lawyers here probably know that may not work out in court -- nor should it, necessarily.  More states need to pass such laws.

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    Blossom end rot (none / 0) (#16)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 21, 2009 at 11:48:53 PM EST
    Tragedy struck in the garden today when I discovered blossom end rot on some of the San Marzano tomatoes. I picked off the affected ones and am hoping the whole thing ends there. Anybody know a good non-toxic way to treat this? I would hate to lose this year's crop.

    Blossom end rot (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 12:50:50 AM EST
    is a result of inconsistent watering.  Actually, it's the result of inconsistent calcium uptake from the soil, which consistent watering takes care of.

    IOW, it's not a disease, it's a development issue, and it doesn't "spread."  Whichever tomatoes were at the crucial stage of development when they didn't get enough water will have blosoom end rot.  The ones that did have enough water as they were developing on the same plant will be fine.

    It's not the end of the world for the affected tomatoes necessarily, either.  Sometimes it does ruin the whole tomato, especially small ones, but sometimes you can still recover up to half the tomato.

    That's assuming that what you have is actually blossom end rot and not something else.  I'm no expert on the diseases that afflict tomatoes, and there are a fair number.  Are you, for instance, quite sure you don't have one of the blights?  So-called "late blight," which is what caused the Irish potato famine, very much affects the tomatoes.

    Go have a look at Texas A&M's Tomato Problem Solver and see if you can identify what's wrong for certain.

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    Thanks for the link. (none / 0) (#24)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 12:57:31 AM EST
    It is blossom end rot. It has only affected the san marzanos, not any of the cherry, grape or slicers. I've been reading around and apparently roma type tomatoes are the most susceptible.

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    Didn't know that (none / 0) (#28)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 09:05:38 AM EST
    paste tomatoes are more susceptible.  Thanks for that info.  Our summers here in the NE have been too rainy for blossom end rot, we have various blights and fungi and powdery mildew instead.

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    Have you asked over at Lavidalocavore? (none / 0) (#19)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 12:23:01 AM EST
    I'm thinking "OrganicGeorge" may have some suggestions?

    I hope you're picking off has at least stunted the problem! It would suck to lose the tomatoes!!

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    Posted a request for help at LaVida (none / 0) (#21)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 12:36:20 AM EST
     on tonight's open thread. And tomorrow I'm going to swing by my local nursery and talk to them about it. They are very knowledgeable folks and quite helpful. I am asking for help everywhere. I'd hate to lose those toms. Here's hoping.

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    Fruits that set later (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 08:33:54 AM EST
    may not have it since it usually happens during "uneven" watering, which can also be a blast of dry hot wind (which can happen in Colorado).  I have noticed that mulching in more humid climates and low nitrogen fertilizer seem to alleviate most of it here in Bama for me.  It is more of a problem for me though in Alabama than it was in Colorado.

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    Blossom End Rot (none / 0) (#30)
    by rdandrea on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 10:06:50 AM EST
    can be caused by a lack of calcium to the plant.  That's why uneven watering can cause it, because it interrupts calcium uptake by the roots.  But it can also come from a lack of calcium in the soil.

    There are some sprays that arrest it--most contain calcium chloride.  They won't cure tomatoes that already have it, but they'll stop it from getting worse.

    I'm not "organic" so I mix a little lime (calcium hydroxide) in with the soil.  I'm growing tomatoes in pots this year, so I'll mix a a teaspoon of lime in the watering can once a week.

    If you do that, check the soil pH once in a while, because lime is a pretty strong base.  You want the soil pH to be between 6.0 and 6.5, which is slightly on the acid side.

    If you're organic, are crushed seashells organic enough?  You can mix those in with the soil and increase the calcium content, since seashells are made of calcium carbonate.

    I've also heard that it can be caused by watering your plants from above.  Try watering from below, directly to the soil.

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    Browne (none / 0) (#32)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 22, 2009 at 11:50:01 AM EST
    puts me in mind of when Raygun's handlers, without the artist's permission, tried to turn Springsteen's irony-soaked Born in the U.S.A into a base-stirring, red state anthem.

    Underlying the Rethug presumption is, of course, a pay-'em-enough-and-anybody'll-go-along-with-anything mindset, that fortunately, not everyone ("values" people?), acquiesces to.

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