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Walter Cronkite Passes Away

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Walter Cronkite, who pioneered and then mastered the role of television news anchorman with such plain-spoken grace that he was called the most trusted man in America, died Friday, his family said. He was 92.

Update (TL): Here's his famous clip announcing the assassination of JFK:

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    i was just liistening (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Democratic Cat on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 08:14:56 PM EST
    To his live description of the lunar landing. "Neil Armstrong, a 38-year old American...". There's never been anyone as good. Or maybe it's just that he told me what I needed to know about the world in my youth.

    Sad but inevitable. (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 08:23:00 PM EST
    All you have to do is turn on the TV and watch CNN's Rick Sanchez channel the pompous pile of foolishness that was WJM-TV anchorman Ted Baxter on the old Mary Tyler Moore Show, and you at once realize what an enormous void Walter Cronkite's passing leaves in TV news.

    Certainly, the collective integrity of today's journalists preceded Mr. Cronkite into the grave a number of years ago.

    Rest in peace, sir - and thank you.

    Let's not (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 08:58:09 PM EST
    degrade Ted Baxter that way. Having had to listen to Sanchez in Miami the night he asked an on the scene reporter what floating decomposing body parts smelled like, any comparison between Rick and Ted is unseemly.

    [ Parent ]
    I remember on a ep of ... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 11:42:52 PM EST
    The Mary Tyler Moore Show, Ted is telling Mary about one of his dreams.  Mary asks how the dream ended.

    And Ted says, "It ended like all my dreams ... with Walter Cronkite and Winston Churchill applauding."

    [ Parent ]

    Today's media stars are stuck in adolescence (none / 0) (#22)
    by BernieO on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 07:40:08 AM EST
    Our media stars are like a bunch of high school kids who are jockeying to be the deemed the coolest.

    There are still come brave, serious journalists who are risking their lives reporting from Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. The problem is that they are unknown to most of the public and will not rise to the top of TV news they way they used to.

    [ Parent ]

    A pro. Incorruptible and ambitious (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by oldpro on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 08:25:16 PM EST
    for all the right reasons.

    The passing of an era...

    Yes, now the news tells me how (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 08:27:05 PM EST
    I'm so supposed to feel about the news and what to think about the news they choose to give me.

    [ Parent ]
    That's because it's not 'the news'... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by oldpro on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 09:19:40 PM EST
    it's 'da nooz.'

    zzzzzzz  

    Up is down, for while 'da nooz' puts most people to sleep with its mindless, repetitive sameness, in truth we need to stay wide awake to weed out the nonsense and focus on the rare item of real importance.  So, up is down because the news is no longer their job.  It's ours.

    [ Parent ]

    You don't think it is an improvement that (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 08:40:38 PM EST
    you may choose to e mail or twitter CNN and see you very own words at the bottom of the screen?

    [ Parent ]
    I think it is fun that that is possible (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 08:33:36 AM EST
    I think specific programs dedicated to that interaction would be wonderful - and then perhaps we could have a time slot or two simply dedicated to reporting the news.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't know that younger people can (5.00 / 5) (#9)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 09:03:38 PM EST
    really appreciate Walter Cronkite and others of his generation, but those of us who are old enough - I'm 56 - certainly have been mourning for some time the transition to entertainment and stenographic journalism that seems to be the order of the day.  And shows no sign of improving anytime soon.  See Glenn's discussion with Chuck Todd for an elemental lesson in what is wrong with "journalism" today.

    Godspeed, Walter Cronkite...we missed you long before you shuffled off this mortal coil.

    In Walter's day (none / 0) (#20)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 01:05:33 AM EST
    we didn't have "political analysts" like Todd.  OTOH, truth be told, we got a lot less news of any kind.  Walter was originally on for only 15 minutes a day.  So it's not as if we got great in-depth reporting on a daily basis even then.  If Walter hadn't turned against the Vietnam war, most Americans wouldn't ever have realized there was anything wrong with what we were being told about it.

    [ Parent ]
    15 minutes/day is pretty (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by brodie on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 11:41:02 AM EST
    appalling.  And CBS only went to a half hour (22 minutes actually) a couple of months before Dallas, iirc.   Not exactly The Golden Age of Television in respect to news coverage.  

    Re Walter, a good guy with an appealing personality, it's interesting (but not at all surprising) that before the Tet Offensive of 1968, he had been a strong backer of LBJ's War, like most in the MSM.

    But Tet came along, and taking advantage of a prior friendship with Gen Creighton Abrams (#2 military commander in VN), he got the off-the-record word that our military effort there had become "stalemated."  Thus he went on the air when he returned to the US and could confidently pronounce, without revealing his key source, that we weren't winning and needed to think about withdrawing.

    Probably the only reason he wasn't either demoted or fired by LBJ-friendly CBS (Frank Stanton, CBS Pres, was very good friends with Lyndon) -- as Murrow essentially was following his anti-McCarthy broadcast of 1954 -- was because Johnson himself greatly admired and respected Cronkite.

    Prior to Cronkite's laudable commentary in 1968, the only major contrary view of VN put on the airwaves in any substantial way (outside of an occasional off-key Morley Safer report from Nam on the Evening News) was the live but incomplete network coverage of the 1966 Fulbright Senate Foreign Rel Comm'ee hearings on the War, where an increasingly antiwar Fulbright along with Sens Wayne Morse and Al Gore, Sr grilled administration witnesses, while they also called a few antiwar bigwig skeptics like Mr Containment George Kennan.  
     

    [ Parent ]

    Back in the 60's, (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 09:10:43 PM EST
    my work took me to a lot of  lonely, desolate towns and villages. Unpacking, and settling in for the night at some strip, $15 motel, it was such a great mood pick-er-up to flip on the TV and catch "Walt" at 6:30, and then "Johnnie" at 11:30.

    Seeing these two great, familiar guys through the frame of my propped up feet, and "Snap!"..... wasn't lonely any more.


    Either that, or "Goodnight, Chet..." (none / 0) (#14)
    by oldpro on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 09:33:04 PM EST
    "Goodnight, David."

    Huntley/Brinkley had a very strong presence on NBC while Walter WAS CBS...along with a very strong crew of young newsmen, always storming the gates.  Insiders and friends say he was very upset at being replaced by Dan Rather and didn't get over it for a long time...if ever.  He championed Katie, though, to (finally) replace Dan.

    Some wounds cut deep.

    [ Parent ]

    Hearing Brinkley interviewed tonight (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Cream City on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 11:31:21 PM EST
    I was reminded of the great coverage of political conventions in the past, of being a kid staying up late to watch and learn and see politics in action.

    And so, it was a reminder of another great loss, with the horror of the Dem convention this year -- cutting off the great moment of the roll call.

    Brinkley alluded to the media not being solely to blame.  The news is manufactured now, and most often not by the media but by their manipulators.

    [ Parent ]

    We'll never see (none / 0) (#15)
    by cal1942 on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 10:13:11 PM EST
    their like again.

    We are all creatures of our time.

    They came of age in a different America when there was still a supply of integrity and leadership.

    [ Parent ]

    His was the face that truly represented (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 10:44:04 PM EST
    the emotional pain of the country the day JFK died.

    His generation of tv journalists didn't need tricks to get people to tune in. Watching the evening news was routine, and considered family viewing...though, certainly not entertainment.

    R.I.P.

    [ Parent ]

    Well put (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 11:27:11 PM EST
    I remember him more for the space events because of my parents (they would wake us up to watch launches, etc) But he was basically the background voice in my growing up. I find myself watching local news these days because they are the least (for me) offensive towards reporting news. I hope life produces another one of him and s/he goes mainstream. That "old style" reporting is sorely missed.

    [ Parent ]
    Wow (none / 0) (#21)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 01:13:17 AM EST
    That little story really nails something about the, jeez, I don't know, cultural unity or something that we had in those days.  I never had the experience you had, but I know exactly what you mean.  For better and worse, the world was a heck of a lot more orderly and familiar place then, I think.

    [ Parent ]
    Some truths need to be spoken here (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by Dark Avenger on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 11:20:02 AM EST
    Let's not forget how the Tet offensive caught everyone unaware on the Allied side:

    During the second half of 1967 the administration had become alarmed by criticism, both inside and outside the government, and by reports of declining public support for its Vietnam policies.[15] According to public opinion polls, the percentage of Americans who believed that the U.S. had made a mistake by sending troops to Vietnam had risen from 25 percent in 1965 to 45 percent by December 1967.[16] This trend was fueled not by a belief that the struggle was not worthwhile, but by mounting casualty figures, rising taxes, and the feeling that there was no end to the war in sight.[17] A poll taken in November indicated that 55 percent wanted a tougher war policy, exemplified by the public belief that "it was an error for us to have gotten involved in Vietnam in the first place. But now that we're there, let's win - or get out."[18] This prompted the administration to launch a so-called "Success Offensive", a concerted effort to alter the widespread public perception that the war had reached a stalemate and to convince the American people that the administration's policies were succeeding. Under the leadership of National Security Advisor Walt W. Rostow, the news media then was inundated by a wave of effusive optimism. Every statistical indicator of progress, from "kill ratios" and "body counts" to village pacification was fed to the press and to the Congress. "We are beginning to win this struggle" asserted Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey on NBC's "Today Show" in mid-November. "We are on the offensive. Territory is being gained. We are making steady progress."[19] At the end of November, the campaign reached its climax when Johnson summoned Westmoreland and the new U.S. Ambassador, Ellsworth Bunker, to Washington, D.C., for what was billed as a "high level policy review". Upon their arrival, the two men bolstered the administration's claims of success. From Saigon, pacification chief Robert Komer asserted that the pacification program in the countryside was succeeding. Sixty-eight percent of the South Vietnamese population was under the control of Saigon while only seventeen percent was under the control of the Vietcong.[20] General Bruce Palmer, one of Westmoreland's three Field Force commanders, claimed that "the Viet Cong has been defeated" and that "He can't get food and he can't recruit. He has been forced to change his strategy from trying to control the people on the coast to trying to survive in the mountains."[21]

    Westmoreland was even more emphatic in his assertions. At an address at the National Press Club on 21 November he reported that, as of the end of 1967, the communists were "unable to mount a major offensive...I am absolutely certain that whereas in 1965 the enemy was winning, today he is certainly losing...We have reached an important point when the end begins to come into view."[19] By the end of the year the administration's approval rating had indeed crept up by eight percent, but an early January Gallup poll indicated that forty-seven percent of the American public still disapproved of the President's handling of the war.[22] The American public, "more confused than convinced, more doubtful than despairing...adopted a 'wait and see' attitude."[23] During a discussion with an interviewer from Time magazine, Westmoreland defied the communists to launch an attack: "I hope they try something, because we are looking for a fight."[24]

    The Best and the Brightest

    The book offers a great deal of detail on how the decisions were made in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations that led to the war, focusing on a period from 1960 to 1965 but also covering earlier and later years up to the publication year of the book.

    Many influential factors are examined in the book:

        * The Democratic party was still haunted by claims that it had 'lost China' to Communists, and did not want to be said to have lost Vietnam also
        * The McCarthy era had rid the government of experts in Vietnam and surrounding Far-East countries
        * Early studies called for close to a million US troops in order to completely defeat the Viet Cong, but it would be impossible to convince Congress or the US public to deploy that many soldiers
        * Declarations of war, and excessive shows of force, including bombing too close to China or too many US troops might have triggered the entry of Chinese ground forces into the war, and greater Soviet involvement (and perhaps repair the growing Sino-Soviet rift)
        * Some war games showed that a gradual escalation by the United States could be evenly matched by North Vietnam: every year 200,000 North Vietnamese came of drafting age and potentially could be sent down the Ho Chi Minh Trail to replace any losses against the US: the US would be 'fighting the birthrate'
        * Any show of force by the US in the form of bombing or ground forces would signal the US interest in defending South Vietnam and therefore cause the US greater shame if they were to withdraw
        * LBJ's belief that too much attention given to the war effort would jeopardize his Great Society domestic programs
        * The effects of strategic bombing: most people wrongly believed that North Vietnam prized its industrial base so much it would not risk its destruction by US air power and would negotiate peace after experiencing some limited bombing, but others saw that even in World War II strategic bombing united the victim population against the aggressor and did little to hinder industrial output.
        * The Domino Theory rationales are mentioned as simplistic.
        * After placing a few thousand Americans in harm's way, it became politically easier to send hundreds of thousands over with the promise that with enough numbers they could protect themselves, and that to abandon Vietnam now would mean the earlier investment in money and blood would be thrown away.

    The book shows that the gradual escalation chosen allowed the LBJ Administration to initially avoid negative publicity and criticism from Congress as well as to avoid a direct war against the Chinese, but simultaneously removed the possibility of either victory or withdrawal.

    Stay classy with your attack on Walter Cronkite, PPJ, you're always blabbering about "true colors" that this or that commentator demonstrates, and how all Lefties are only haters, and here only the ideologically impared would mistake who does and doesn't live up to the standards you set for others around here.

    Peral Harbor also caught us unaware (1.50 / 2) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 12:01:45 PM EST
    so your point is what???

    [ Parent ]
    The circumstances in which (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by Dark Avenger on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 12:26:58 PM EST
    Cronkite switched from being a supporter of the war to opposing it after Tet demonstrated that Westmorelands' version of "Bring it on" was sadly out of sync with the reality of the situation.

    I invite anyone reading this to read "The Best and the Brightest" where that process is detailed about Cronkite's change in opinion, and to make up their own mind, regardless of what PPJ or I post on this thread.

    Nice gratuitous response, PPJ.

    BTW, do you need a word count for this post?  It's 92.

    [ Parent ]

    heh (2.00 / 1) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 02:26:27 PM EST
    And I invite you to read what an actual military guy named Bui Tin said:

    Q: What about Gen. Westmoreland's strategy and tactics caused you concern?
    A: Our senior commander in the South, Gen. Nguyen Chi Thanh, knew that we were losing base areas, control of the rural population and that his main forces were being pushed out to the borders of South Vietnam. He also worried that Westmoreland might receive permission to enter Laos and cut the Ho Chi Minh Trail. ....We would attack poorly defended parts of South Vietnam cities during a holiday..

    Q: What about the results?
    A: Our losses were staggering and a complete surprise;. Giap later told me that Tet had been a military defeat, though we had gained the planned political advantages when Johnson agreed to negotiate and did not run for re-election.

    Link

    [ Parent ]

    Again, PPJ (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Dark Avenger on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 02:58:17 PM EST
    you rely on the unproven word of a Commie general who would have every reason to lie about his role and what happened.

    Here's what Giap did say about the war:

    In his most recent statement on the matter that we're aware of, a 1996 interview conducted for a CNN series on the Cold War, General Giap attributed the Communists' eventual military victory to their courage, determination, wisdom, tactics, intelligence, and sacrifices, along with Americans' lack of knowledge about the Vietnamese nation and its people, but he said nothing about a defeated Vietminh preparing to give up the effort before U.S. protesters changed the course of the war.

    It's possible that the apparently apocryphal General Giap statement is based upon a misattribution of somewhat similar sentiments expressed by other political or military figures involved in the Vietnam War.  For example, in 1995 the Wall Street Journal published an interview with  Bui Tin, a former colonel who served on the general staff of the North Vietnamese army, that included the following exchange:

    Q: How did Hanoi intend to defeat the Americans?

    A: By fighting a long war which would break their will to help South Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh said, "We don't need to win military victories, we only need to hit them until they give up and get out."

    Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?

    A: It was essential to our strategy. Support for the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.

    Q: Did the Politburo pay attention to these visits?

    A: Keenly

    Q: Why?

    A: Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.

    Q: What else?

    A: We had the impression that American commanders had their hands tied by political factors. Your generals could never deploy a maximum force for greatest military effect.

    (The article notes that this interview was conducted after Bui Tin became "disillusioned with the fruits of Vietnamese communism" and left Vietnam to live in Paris, so it's possible that his comments may have been influenced by his changed outlook.)

    But, when it comes to Vietnam, everyone on the Vietnamese is telling the truth as if they were swearing to it on a stack of Bibles in front of the Archangel Michael.

    Anyway, Giaps' grandchildren are going to school here in the States, so who really won?

    [ Parent ]

    Who won??? (none / 0) (#55)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 10:02:59 AM EST
    None of those Americans and Vietnamese who were killed because the Left convinced Giap that he could get a political settlement from the worthless feckless politicians.

    None of those won.

    [ Parent ]

    And according to you (none / 0) (#56)
    by Dark Avenger on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 11:30:16 AM EST
    if we'd had been willing to kill more Vietnamese and spill more American blood, we'd have won.

    [ Parent ]
    Under this scenario, U.S. is probably (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 11:31:36 AM EST
    still in Vietnam.

    [ Parent ]
    Wars are won by killing (2.00 / 1) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 09:06:42 PM EST
    The faster you do it the shorter the war.

    [ Parent ]
    Thank you (none / 0) (#62)
    by Dark Avenger on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 09:33:13 PM EST
    General Custer.

    [ Parent ]
    Two out of three (2.00 / 1) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 09:07:49 PM EST
    And if the Left had shut up and supported the troops.

    [ Parent ]
    PPJ, if you wanted those opposed to the War (none / 0) (#63)
    by Dark Avenger on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 09:37:19 PM EST
    to "shut up", it would've been the majority of the American people, not just "Teh Left", which supported the troops coming home, not dying in the name of President Johnson or his successor Nixons' "Secret Plan", later known as "Peace with honor."

    If you were secure in your beliefs, you won't be throwing a screaming fit each and every time they were challenged.  

    Thank you for demonstrating why liberals are considered by some opponents of them to be unstable and unable to discuss things rationally.

     

    [ Parent ]

    Walter was wrong about the war (1.50 / 2) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 07:53:42 AM EST
    A few will note his now infamous remarks that we had lost in Vietnam when we had not. His ignorance and hubris then was so striking and so bold that no one recognized it. It is, of course, a day labor's job today, as common as an Ivy League professor condemning America and a new Democratic administration preparing to lose the War On Terror.

    Bui Tin interview.

    The best I can do for Cronkite is to quote Shakespeare.

    The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones


    Way to stay classy, jim (n/t) (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by rdandrea on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 08:16:25 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    He doesn't care that he is contrary, or (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 08:54:31 AM EST
    rude. He cares that he gets attention.

    [ Parent ]
    So we won in Vietnam? (5.00 / 5) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 08:35:17 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    No, we never lost a battle (2.00 / 1) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 09:15:54 AM EST
    but we surrendered and lost the war.

    [ Parent ]
    We surrendered? (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 09:43:05 AM EST
    Clinging to helicopters as they lifted off from the rooftops was a surrender? You just crack me up

    [ Parent ]
    There is an open thread (2.00 / 1) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 09:50:13 AM EST
    if you want to talk about Vietnam.

    And yes, we surrendered.

    [ Parent ]

    Chicken...... (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 10:04:51 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    No, just trying to follow the rules (2.00 / 1) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 10:15:14 AM EST
    You should try it sometimes.

    Make your brag good and I will follow. There is an open thread above.

    [ Parent ]

    You lead (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 10:26:24 AM EST
    I'll follow.

    [ Parent ]
    You made the claim. (2.00 / 1) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 12:00:20 PM EST
    You prove it.

    [ Parent ]
    I give you Jim (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 02:54:24 PM EST
    Exhibit A of a certain personality type permanantly traumatized by any serious blow to their tribal narcissism, such as occurred in Vietnam in the sixties.

    And its always and forever someone else's fault: If only everyone had "supported the troops"; If only the liberal media hadnt stabbed us in the back..yadda, yadda.

    Now all these wingnuts live and breath for vindication of their hyper-nationalism and psuedo-patriotism the way Hitler did after Versailles.  

    Pathetic.

    [ Parent ]

    Cronkite's infamous remarks (2.00 / 1) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 09:19:12 AM EST
    driven by his lack of knowledge about Tet are as much a part of his legacy as "the most trusted..." is. I stand by what Shakespeare wrote.

    [ Parent ]
    As You Like It, Jim (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 09:50:42 AM EST
    The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.

    As You Like it, Act 5, Scene 1

    Now how long did the war continue after Tet?

    [ Parent ]

    The war would have been over (2.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 10:16:43 AM EST
    within in a year without the media's help.

    I offer you the same as I did Tracy.

    [ Parent ]

    you've made some absurd comments (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 01:16:19 PM EST
    but this ranks right up there.

    But once a dolchstosslegender, always  a dolchstosslegender I suppose.

    [ Parent ]

    BTW, it is a mystery why (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by oculus on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 02:46:53 PM EST
    ppj shows up when he does but now I know when you do!

    [ Parent ]
    Been extremely busy (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 12:39:08 PM EST
    foreclosure crises is keeping me busy. Leo has been ill and I don't seem to have the time I did before.

    [ Parent ]
    I miss your always spot on comments. (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 12:41:15 PM EST
    Hope things look up soon.

    [ Parent ]
    A great read (and while listening to (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 02:00:13 PM EST
    George London singing Wotan).  Host of KUSC's opera program is acknowledging the LA mayor's discomfort with the upcoming Ring cycle presented by LA Opera.  Mayor says focus should be wider than Wagner, given he was antisemitic and a hero of Hitler's.  

    [ Parent ]
    Sure (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 03:09:18 PM EST
    as soon as the North Vietnamese realized that hellbent-for-leather types like Jim, Rush and Newt were intent on getting into the action any day (as soon as the cysts cleared up), they would've folded their cards and beat it back to Hanoi in fear.

    [ Parent ]
    Wow (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Steve M on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 10:26:59 AM EST
    the man is dead, and you need to lie about him like that, claiming he said the war was lost.  Real classy.

    [ Parent ]
    Huh? Here, listen for yourself. (2.00 / 1) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 12:07:49 PM EST

    Link

    [ Parent ]

    The best (1.00 / 2) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 08:21:57 AM EST
    I can do for Cronkite is to quote Shakespeare.

    The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones


    BTD, might you comment on (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 08:49:42 PM EST
    Greenwald's discussion with Chuck Todd?  Twould be interesting.

    Wow (none / 0) (#8)
    by Steve M on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 09:00:52 PM EST
    Just two days ago I had the astonishing experience of realizing that Walter Cronkite was still alive, when I seriously thought he had been dead for many years.  And now...

    In any event, R.I.P. to a great American.

    "And that's the way it is." (none / 0) (#11)
    by Saul on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 09:14:22 PM EST
    So long my friend.  A man like you was very rare.

    This may a better NYT link. (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 09:19:52 PM EST
    Very detailed article.  Especially interesting to me is LBJ's comment after Cronkite's visit to Vietnam and subsequent broadcast stating the war was a stalemate:  NYT

    I started teaching (none / 0) (#23)
    by Jjc2008 on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 07:53:24 AM EST
    in 1967.  I used to tell my students, with confidence, that one of the greatest safeguards of democracy was our independent press.  I believed it because of men like Cronkite, Huntley/Brinkley.  I had remembered how they took on McCarthy though I was young.   And while I had attended catholic school and was exposed to the fear mongering, a part of me got that the ones with integrity were the ones taking down McCarthy and his ilk.

    Years later I had to stop telling students that our press corps protected us against the excesses of power, money and government.  I remember when I read how Brian Williams announced his admiration for Rush Limbaugh.  I was stunned and disgusted.  Can you imagine Walter Conkite saying something so obnoxiously pathetic?  
    Rush is just a McCarthy with a larger audience and more money....a fear mongering coward who uses the radio to keep himself in power and rich.  

    I wondered often how Cronkite must have been so disgusted at how the press helped elect Reagan and W, how the millionaire pundit class partied with the people they were covering.......it's sad to think of how discouraged he must have been.

    Thanks Walter for giving a generation a reason to believe that we, the people, had power in our voices, our marches, our democracy.  
    That is the way it was.....


    Re McCarthy, that was Murrow (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Cream City on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 08:32:39 AM EST
    who was on the air then and went after him first among the few on the air at all then, so he gets the credit from many historians (but not all; it's a very interesting debate, but for another day).

    Hard to imagine it now, but Huntley-Brinkley didn't start their show until 1956 -- six years after McCarthy began his reign of terror.  Murrow and others were on the air for years while McCarthy went unchecked (except by a few in the print media, so the media historians' debate is about the power of the new medium).  Murrow went after him on the air in 1954, followed by the Senate's censure of Tailgunner Joe.  

    Murrow actually was Cronkite's mentor, recruiting him for CBS -- and Cronkite got his first show in 1953, but Murrow was the king of the airwaves then.  And it's amazing to realize that Cronkite didn't become anchor until 1962 . . . to be there for us the next, terrible year, when teevee news went to half an hour a night just in time for him to become the voice of comfort and continuity through the upheavals and tremendous changes to explode upon our little black-and-white screens  in the JFK assassination, the civil rights confrontations, etc.

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    Yes I realize it (none / 0) (#30)
    by Jjc2008 on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 08:42:23 AM EST
    was Murrow who actually took McCarthy down but I was too young to really remember that actuality but for me, in my mind, it was Cronkite who took what Murrow did and made it the norm.  I understand I am not being historically accurate but for me, at that age, Cronkite embodied the principles of Murrow.......

    those are just my memories of what I felt and why.

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    Ah, you young 'un -- but yes (none / 0) (#43)
    by Cream City on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 10:47:09 AM EST
    you certainly, correctly capture that Cronkite continued -- and greatly grew, amid far more market pressures -- the Murrow legacy.  (Btw, a good book on the good old days is The Murrow Boys.)

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    NYT article says Cronkite was friends with (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 09:51:30 AM EST
    many Presidents, including Reagan.

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    To quote the writer H..L. Mencken (none / 0) (#64)
    by Dark Avenger on Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 09:41:50 PM EST

    Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem -- neat, plausible, and wrong.

    "The Divine Afflatus" in New York Evening Mail (16 November 1917); later published in Prejudices: Second Series (1920) and A Mencken Chrestomathy (1949)