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Feingold Hearings On Preventive Detention

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Civil Liberties
Posted on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 10:03:33 AM EST
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Sen. Feingold's letter to President Obama on preventive detention here.

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    And (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 11:20:47 AM EST
    Obama the Candidate's positions on indefinite detention

    Link
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    If Obama the president (versus Obama the candidate) really thinks indefinite detention of terrorists is okay, then I hope he runs on that in 2012.  Will he?

    Heh, (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 02:00:00 PM EST
    2012 should be interesting with him now on record . . .

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    If he loses (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 03:33:27 PM EST
    then I hope it means the end of the notion politicians can just lie to get elected.  Once elected, they can then non-chalantly chuckle and laugh at the notion that you actually believed them.

    Talk about audacity.

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    I mean (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 03:34:45 PM EST
    politicians always lie, but huge reversals on just about every issue?

    Remember "read my lips, no new taxes"?  Back then, there were consequences for unkept "political promises".  Now?  Well, hopefully there are still.....

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    People actually do believe political (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 04:54:25 PM EST
    speeches even if they are contrary to actual actions or votes cast in the past.

    Some of my friends,extremely well educated folks, put all their faith in the political speeches Obama and Biden made. I cited specific stands each politician had taken in the past that was contrary to a issue that was important and was told that was then and NOW was a particular speech that one or the other made during the campaign season. Personally, I shook my head in disbelief that anyone would put that much faith in a political speech. Oh dopey me.

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    Yes, I also saw the great lack (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Cream City on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 05:56:46 PM EST
    of intelligent analysis in the campaign from friends with a lot of education, and they may  score high on intelligence in other ways.  They included people who had spent a lot of time in politics, studying politics, and more.  But so what, if they are so easily fooled by a marketing campaign that they contradicted themselves, too -- not just the candidates?  And yes, I also heard blah-blah about the urgency of now or whatever the latest buzzphrase was that caused them to abandon common sense and dignity.  I will admit that I learned a lot from them, though: I learned to spend more of my time with friends who are not such fools.  How can I trust the fools' ideas  on anything, after such idiocy?  Why even take their recommendation on a restaurant?  It probably would turn out to have kool-aid on the menu.:-)  

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    I am beginning to hear some (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 05:27:03 PM EST
    murmurring from my early-Obama-adopting friends.  On issues of transparency, Gitmo, and detentions.

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    From where I sit (none / 0) (#8)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 05:58:42 PM EST
    I hear similar grumblings, but in my circles, they all seem to be about timidity with regards to the economy, banksterism, yadda yadda.

    To which I can only respond: some people got there first!

    But do I view Obama as any more disappointing than any other Democratic politician?  No, I honestly do not.  In fact, I would still contend that he's a cut above, although I might not have the gumption to defend that proposition around these parts.

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    He's not a cut above for a Dem (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 07:40:59 PM EST
    Maybe for a Repub.

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    That's great (none / 0) (#9)
    by andgarden on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:08:36 PM EST
    BTD made a similar point.

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    Don't blame me. Oh, wait. I did vote for him. (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:15:15 PM EST


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    Well, I didn't (nor did I vote for McCain), (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 06:28:01 PM EST
    but that doesn't mean I'm getting any satisfaction from it.  I was hoping to be wrong that he had no idea who he was or what he believed, that he so feared being criticized that he would take any position he needed to to avoid it.  I hoped the early warning signs from the FISA vote and his lack of leadership would prove to be blips.  I wanted to believe him on transparency and accountability, even though I saw too much in his past that suggested he wasn't much for either.

    Oh, well...

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