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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Blog Related
Posted on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 08:57:48 AM EST
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If you are not watching Roger Federer at Roland Garros, you surely will be watching Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's appearance on ABC's This Week, where she will be interviewed by George Steph.

This is an Open Thread.

Post Script - a blogger was outed yesterday (his real identity was revealed.) I wish we could all hold to an ethic that would not allow such a thing to happen, but obviously that is not the case. There appears not to be a consensus on this issue. - Speaking for me only

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    US Attorneys (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by tokin librul on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:03:43 AM EST
    How many Bushevik holdovers are STILL in power? Leura Canary, who railroaded Don Siegelman, is still doing Karl Rove's business in Alabama...

    How does one find out how many MORE there are?

    And:

    Why-the-f**k are there ANY?

    Doesn't Holder have the authority to require "pro-forma" resignations from ALL of them?

    Or doesn't he have the guts, the stones, the balls, to do it?

    Mary Beth Buchanan, Western PA (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ben Masel on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 05:31:34 PM EST
    Best known for locking up Tommy Chong. So partisan that Reagan's Attorney General, Richard Thornburg called for her resignation while Bush was still President.

    I'm thinking of a picket of her office during Netroots Nation.

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    Just saw Pawlenty on C-SPAN (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by kenosharick on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:24:08 AM EST
    He had a "slip" and referred to Al Franken as SENATOR FRANKEN, before correcting himself of course.

    A good sign nonetheless (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by domer5000 on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:46:35 AM EST


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    Practice, practice, practice (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 10:35:02 AM EST
    Keep it up Tim! Get everyone used to it.

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    Secretary of State Clinton (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by JThomas on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 10:00:32 AM EST
    is really doing a fine job of communicating our foreign policy objectives and issues.

    If somehow, this administration can broker a I/P deal in the middle east,reduce the violence there, neutralize Iran, get out of Iraq and Afghanistan without disasters..a huge task no doubt, then SoS Clinton would have to be in a great position if she wanted to run for president again,imo. Imagine an Obama/Clinton 16 year run. I could live with it.

    So far she's been (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by brodie on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 10:16:50 AM EST
    impressive, though she has far more on her plate to deal with than most S'soS in recent times and so there will likely be disappointments.  

    My sense of it, given her outstanding knowledge of the considerable FP issues she will have to deal with, plus her invaluable experience in Bill's WH, is that either at the end of 4 or 8 yrs, she will be seen as one of the most effective in that position in the past 50 yrs.  Better than Bill's Warren Christopher or Madeleine Albright, and for sure better than Carter's Cy Vance.

    If things are handled carefully but assertively, and diplomatic faux pas are kept to a bare minimum as progress is made in a number of areas towards peace or a relaxation of tensions, then she'll be well positioned for another WH run in 16.

    She still looks fairly young, too, at least on teevee, though who knows how much she'll show her age over the next 8 yrs, and running in another grueling campaign at the age of 69 is far from an ideal situation.

    It should have been Clinton/Obama for 8 yrs, then Obama/? taking over in 16.  Alas, she didn't run a very good or smart campaign ...

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    She is still the best 'explainer' around (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 10:38:26 AM EST
    Good to see her doing that on my TV again.

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    Second best! Bill is the best (5.00 / 4) (#22)
    by oldpro on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 10:51:18 AM EST
    explainer...ever, in my memory.

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    The Obama Administration needs to do a (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by samtaylor2 on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 03:01:53 PM EST
    better job of getting her out there in front of the cameras.  She is too powerful an asset to not have her speaking for the administration more.  Today was a great start.  The first half of the show was one of the only times I can remeber the Sunday news programs offering anything of value.

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    I have been reading up (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Steve M on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 10:16:01 AM EST
    on this latest outing.  Really scummy stuff.

    There are plenty of honorable people who happen to take a different political view from us, but Ed Whelan is simply a bad guy.  No other way to say it.

    Reading through that made me furious (5.00 / 0) (#24)
    by magster on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 11:08:25 AM EST
    The disregard for the blogger's professional and personal life, conveyed by the blogger beforehand, is stunning.  

    I suppose if your role models are Dick Cheney and Karl 'fair game' Rove, these things happen.

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    Figures that he clerked for Scalia, (none / 0) (#18)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 10:24:15 AM EST
    the meanest SOB on the Court.

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    Soderling was outmatched today; (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by Anne on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 10:37:08 AM EST
    happy to see Federer finally win the French Open, even if it wasn't quite the thrilling match those with tickets had perhaps wanted to see.

    I have to thank Roger for winning quickly, as we are getting ready to celebrate our older daughter's 26th birthday; since it is such a gorgeous day, we are schlepping most of the food to her in-laws', so we can sit around - and in - the pool, get too much sun and probably get a little tipsy before sitting down to a delicious dinner: grilled beef tenderloin, homemade potato salad, cold grilled asparagus, and for the finale, strawberry pie subbing in for birthday cake at the birthday girl's request.  The strawberries were grown locally, so full of flavor.

    Hope everyone has a great day, and gets a chance to relax and let go of a week's worth of stress.

    Watching ABC now (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:09:19 AM EST


    Says that "massive retaliation" (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:12:02 AM EST
    (remember that?) is essentially the policy of the U.S. now?

    Bowers? Bueller?

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    To be fair (none / 0) (#4)
    by NJDem on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:17:13 AM EST
    she left the "massive" part out of the current policy context.  Personally, I don't have a problem with the language, she's referring to a response to a nuclear attack...that's some heavy, unimaginable stuff!

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    Oh, I don't disagree with the policy (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:18:14 AM EST
    But I remember that there are people who did--vehemently. Hillary wins on policy again?

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    there was not even a dispute here (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:19:35 AM EST
    except in the minds of Clinton hating bloggers.

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    So why not tweak them? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:20:32 AM EST


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    I dunno (none / 0) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:26:47 AM EST
    It was so stupid then that the only reason I did was they made a big deal out of it.

    Look, there as a lot of stupid stuff then. I am trying to get past all of that.

    The sexism issue is the one I want to revisit constantly.

    Obviously, bloggers will continue to write stupid things, even me on occasion . . .

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    Fair enough (none / 0) (#13)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:34:37 AM EST


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    True (none / 0) (#11)
    by NJDem on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:26:37 AM EST
    your theory on there was/is not being a lick of difference between them policy-wise (which I disagree with in some big instances) was certainly true with foreign policy.

    Obama was never the lefty-dove people thought he was...

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    Yeah, (none / 0) (#9)
    by NJDem on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:22:54 AM EST
    I guess she does!  It was sorta a trend that started in the primaries :)  I just wish he moved more towards her economically (w/ HOLC, for example).    

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    Yes, Secretary of the Treasury (none / 0) (#36)
    by Cream City on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 05:27:02 PM EST
    for Clinton might have been more what this country needed, as there are other Obamaphiliac Dems who could have followed whatever he wanted to help other countries.

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    Well (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:19:01 AM EST
    the stupidity of the primary wars may not extend to the current period.

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    Gingrich back on Face the Nation. (none / 0) (#23)
    by oldpro on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 11:03:20 AM EST
    Depressing.

    Federer in tears.  Quite touching, of course.  Johnny Mac over-the-top and unrestrained in accolades re Federer 'the greatest of all time.'  He's probably right.  Now let's see how Tiger does today...

    ...and Hil with that snake on ABC, coming on now here on the left coast.

    A snotty "where do you fit in?" question.  Great answer from her...especially re the envoys.

    McEnroe was hilarious (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Steve M on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 01:02:35 PM EST
    in the postmatch interview... "Do you mind if I hold that trophy for a moment?  I've never gotten to hold it."

    I can't remember another sports rivalry where I found both participants as thoroughly likable as I do Federer and Nadal.  It's nice to see Federer re-asserting himself - it's boring if Nadal simply zooms past him, never to look back!

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    Sampras-Agassi rivalry? (none / 0) (#27)
    by oldpro on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 01:40:59 PM EST
    Loved it.  But yes, both Rafa and Federer are, as you say, "thoroughly likable."  Interestingly, that's not always the most entertaining tennis -- more like watching a clinic.  

    Some rivalries among the women come to mind...Chris and Martina, for instance, and/or the Williams sisters...even Graff and Seles.

    For me, the real fun to watch are the players with some temperament and personality, revealing their sometimes all-too-human emotions in a thrilling match with everything on the line.

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    Jimmy Connors vs John McEnroe, Jimmy Connors (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Angel on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 02:58:48 PM EST
    vs Bjorn Borg...some great tennis back then.

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    Yup. Great fun to watch... (none / 0) (#30)
    by oldpro on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 03:03:01 PM EST


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    Lakers-Magic matchup today (none / 0) (#25)
    by brodie on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 11:18:25 AM EST
    should be a lot more hotly contested than the G1 blowout.  It's always interesting to see which Lakers team shows up -- the balanced, dominant, unbeatable one of G1 and the latter part of the Denver series, or the soft, disinterested one from far too many playoff games so far.

    Regardless of who prevails today, I've got Kobe & Co winning the series, in no more than 6.

     

    Tiger's on the prowl... (none / 0) (#31)
    by oldpro on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 03:05:52 PM EST
    one behind the leader and he's teeing off on 13...and NOT with his driver.  Wow.  Perfect.

    Outed blogger (none / 0) (#32)
    by Spamlet on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 03:15:45 PM EST
    Ed Whelan is what he is, but every blogger should understand that his or her anonymity can go by the board at any time.

    MSM commentators can't hide behind a pseudonym, and Ed Whelan doesn't use one either. Why is use of a pseudonym the default for bloggers?

    Maybe the pseudonymous blogger known as Publius was trying to sidestep a challenge to his academic freedom. But why not fight such battles right out in the open, where the misdeeds of would-be censors can be exposed?

    Anyway, Ed Whelan definitely violated a social norm, and for many reasons I think Whelan is a fool, but there's really no reason for Publius to feel betrayed. The risk of exposure is part of the deal when you think you have something to hide.

    And if I misunderstand, please enlighten me.

    Why? (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 03:55:00 PM EST
    "But why not fight such battles right out in the open?"

    Um, maybe because you have an actual financial need to keep your job?

    I agree with you, of course, that getting outed as a blogger is a risk every blogger should be aware of and accept before they get into it.

    But it's still an incredibly scummy thing to do.

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    ironic (none / 0) (#40)
    by diogenes on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 10:26:50 PM EST
    Poor Publius is a professor worried about tenure because he is a liberal blogger in South Texas.  Most of the time in most university settings being a conservative blogger would be poison to one's tenure hopes.

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    Shouldn't everyone be watching (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 03:34:31 PM EST
    AZ/Padres game?  Diamondbacks pitcher is one of thosee guys on the list of pitchers whose opposing batters having lowest batting averages.

    He should play for the Dodgers (none / 0) (#35)
    by Dadler on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 04:01:31 PM EST
    So they could call him the Great Blue Haren.  Or the Pods, but I still have trouble saying Padre Blue, doesn't sound right.

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    Oh, what a frustrating game (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by otherlisa on Mon Jun 08, 2009 at 01:12:29 AM EST
    Speaking as a Padres fan.

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    Both of my adult german Shepherds (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 08, 2009 at 05:58:05 PM EST
    passed their temperament tests on Saturday.  They did very well.  On Sunday I stayed on in Columbus to attend a Jerry Hope seminar.  I feel like my brain is still exploding.  After Joshua was born we spent a lot of time coming to understand child development, he didn't start walking or become mobile in the "normal" time frames.  We did various stimulation to encourage neural wiring in his infancy.  His first clubfoot surgery was done even though the doctors knew he would club again simply because at some time within his first year of life he needed to feel his feet plantar on the ground so that he could easily return to it feeling "normal" later on after other sugeries.  So Jerry Hope has developed a program that takes into consideration all the window and neural development stages of puppies and it supposedly creates amazing dogs with lots of confidence that won't be ending up in the pound or not T.V. being whispered to.  My brain feels like it is exploding though with/ alongside/ and against all of the human stuff that we learned with Joshua because you only get about 12 weeks to imprint dogs and 12 years to imprint human beings.

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