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I do not watch the Sunday Talk shows anymore. Do any of you?

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    No no but hell no. (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by Angel on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 08:44:08 AM EST
    I wish we could go back to having civil discourse and telling the truth instead of all the spin, spin, spin.  We rarely watch television on Sundays except for some sporting or other major event.  We quit watching way back when it was Clinton's private parts all the time.  You know, Timmeh and all those other "journalists" who could find nothing better to discuss.  Bleh.

    Nope! (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by talesoftwokitties on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 08:59:54 AM EST
    It always drove me crazy when the OBVIOUS follow up questions were NEVER asked.  So I stopped watching about 10 years ago.  

    down with sunday talk... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Dadler on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:08:02 AM EST
    ...up free music.  Fort Knox Five is the shiznit, my friends, hit this link and download free DJ mixes.  For the uninitiated, check out "Get This Party Started Right" first.  It's over an hour of righteous, funkalicious, house music...and, i repeat, it's FREE to download.  

    Enjoy, all my TL friends, and have a great day.

    And check out the USA/Brazil match today in the final of the Confederations Cup from South Africa.  We'll probably get wiped out, but who knows.  

    A sporting event (none / 0) (#9)
    by Fabian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:37:57 AM EST
    I'm actually interested in the outcome of?

    I'm shocked!

    There's just something about that match that piques my interest.

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    BTD's live blog is fairly amusing. (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:05:34 PM EST
    Not pressure to keep up with the action.

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    Geeeze, I hate it (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:18:59 AM EST
    I alway want to cheat, so I would show up here and if there was anything to see I could go find a clip or two.  Looks like I'm going to have to do my filthy work on Sunday now.  I was wondering why Sunday linkage to clips of astounding stupidity and astonishing disconnect have been lacking around here.

    Heh. (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Fabian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:48:01 AM EST
    There's a rec list diary at dkos talking about all the good work Keith Olbermann has done for us.

    Sure, Froomkin got a diary too last week.  Interesting which is seen as being more valuable: Television Personality or Real Journalist?

    Let's speculate what will be the topics of discussion:
    Sanford  (low hanging fruit)
    Michael Jackson  (not political, but why not - everyone else is talking about him!)
    Health Care (horse race analysis, bipartisan, does Obama need the Republicans for this, yadda yadda)
    Iran  (what to say, what to say?  Hey, let's talk nukes!)
    Stonewall Union Riot Anniversary  (I'm not sure I want to know what they will say.)
    German Shepherd Dogs (Hey, we can dream, right?)

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    a few days ago, a rec list diary critical of KO's (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by byteb on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:31:09 AM EST
    and Rachel's handling of the Sanford email's on air  created quite a stir. So much so, that KO wrote a rec list diary accusing the diarist playing into the hands of the right who used the diary to point out the even lefties thought KO's reading of Sanford's diary crossed the line. KO's diary accused the community of being played like a 'banjo'.  Lively debate ensued in the comment section with some saying that KO was correct and others saying that no one is given a free pass on being criticized even KO himself.
    I guess this current rec list diary is a continuation of the debate.

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    It's a fannish diary. (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Fabian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:39:21 AM EST
    While I'm glad KO has spoken out on occasion, I'm not a fan of his daily routine.  Froomkin, on the other hand, puts out quality work on a regular basis.  Much better signal to noise ratio but without the flash, glamour and pandering of KO.

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    I absolutely agree (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by byteb on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:43:15 AM EST
    with everything you wrote.

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    the pride march is on today in toronto (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by pukemoana on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:31:42 AM EST
    so this morning is kids dressing up for the event--far more fun than morning talk shows!  one is dressed up as a hippy, the other is (according to her) a flower fairy.  the boy had chosen to be a butterfly but is now sick so we'll be hanging round home.  happy pride everyone

    Sorry you must miss the parade. (none / 0) (#89)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:06:01 PM EST
    actually, it turns out i got the best deal (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by pukemoana on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:27:48 PM EST
    since the kids and partner said it's cold.  the sick kid needed motrin then promptly fell asleep and i've been reading a novel for the last 3 hours :-)

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    Bad for the blood pressure (5.00 / 6) (#11)
    by Anne on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:49:09 AM EST
    and inner peace.  Sunday is the day right before most people - me included - have to climb back on the treadmill and do the 5-day slog (except this week, I have Friday off because the 4th is on a Saturday - yay!), so Sunday is a precious buffer that I tend to protect fairly jealously.

    Besides, it's the same old people, saying the same old things, usually.  And more than a few of them are people whose general irrelevance and ignorance should have been reason to escort them away from the bright lights of TV cameras a long time ago.  

    And the moderators and panels might as well comprise chattering monkeys and squawking parrots for all they ever add to anyone's understanding of anything.

    Besides, when I was watching, my constant talking back to the TV usually took the form of yelling, and really, who needs that on a Sunday morning?

    What Anne said (none / 0) (#85)
    by cal1942 on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:43:18 PM EST
    without exception.

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    I can't break the habit (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:50:45 AM EST
    I did cut back though - hardly ever turn on MTP. I gave up hope when they did not replace Russert with someone better when they had the literally god-given opportunity.

    So I'm down to Schieffer and Stephanopolous. And I'm multitasking when they are on.

    That said, Schieffer is an idiot (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:00:52 AM EST
    How many people marking Michael Jackson's passing this week are actually using him as a role model on how to live their life? Not many, I would bet. Yet he is troubled....

    I'm gong on vacation for two weeks starting Thurdsay, so I will be going cold turkey from the Sunday shows. I'll try not starting up when I get back!

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    Schieffer troubled I mean (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:02:04 AM EST
    He had another 'hell in a handbasket' commentary.

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    Have a super vacation (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:19:51 AM EST
    thank you so much! (5.00 / 4) (#24)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:33:48 AM EST
    Much needed and long delayed.

    I'm going to the UK with some friends. I've never been, and am very excited!!!

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    Very interesting show at the National (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:17:43 PM EST
    Portrait Gallery very close to Trafalgar Square.  Each year the Gallery stages a portrait competition and the results are now viewable.

    Also, if you can get a ticket for Waiting for Godot (Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen) and/or Phedre with Helen Mirren--do it.  Wonderful theatre.

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    Patrick Stewart (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Fabian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    AND Ian McKellen?

    I'd go watch them if all they did was sit on a park bench and talk about the weather!

    And Helen Mirren?  Ditto.

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    Get on the internet ASAP and (none / 0) (#69)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 01:14:48 PM EST
    keep checking, even if Phedre is sold out, as tickets may become "available."

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    List of HD sites for broadcast; some dates (none / 0) (#107)
    by jawbone on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 05:27:45 PM EST
    Pisses me off. I would have to drive to (none / 0) (#112)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 06:05:26 PM EST
    LA.  And there are three more HDs in the works.  

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    Have you decided about a car (none / 0) (#117)
    by sj on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 11:51:44 PM EST
    And, if so, have you thought about acquiring the use of a GPS system?

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    CNN Reliable Sources (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by randy80302 on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:08:43 AM EST
    Had Nico Pitney of HuffPost defending his Iran question. He does an excellent job.

    He smacked (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:41:23 PM EST
    Milbank directly a couple of good ones, too.  Brave boy.  Good for him.

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    Milbank sitting right (none / 0) (#61)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:41:48 PM EST
    next to him on set, I meant to add.

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    HA! (5.00 / 0) (#81)
    by ChiTownDenny on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:29:27 PM EST
    The elitist MSM feeling the pressure of the NEW medium.  The territory has expanded.  Journalism will prevail; will the MSM?

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    Here in New York, (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by byteb on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:16:31 AM EST
    MTP inexplicably started i the middle of the program with Lindsay Graham predicating doom for the future of the Democrats while Mitt Romney sat next to him looking well groomed. No introduction, Nothing. Then right in the middle of a head shot of Mitt, it cut to the middle of something David Axelrod was saying.

    Sadly, MTP is such a wreck that this method of airing the show seemed an improvement.

    I can't (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by esmense on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:24:30 AM EST
    they are an endless loop of the same beside-the-point, avoid-the-real-issues arguments. An endless blathering of the same well-known players, from the same limited cohort, with the same well-known and limited positions. Everyone  knows in advance that whatever it is they are trying to do it has nothing to do with informing the public or addressing the issues honestly.

    ABC had a chance to (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by brodie on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:27:43 AM EST
    if not re-invent then enliven a rather stale and predictable format when their ADM spokesman David Brinkley stepped down.  Unfortunately, Steph either was in no position to push for changes or didn't care, given the huge paycheck he receives.

    As long as Geo Will is there, far too much of the hour is sucked up by his pompous declarations and interruptions.  Only the occasional visit from a forceful lib like Krugman makes tuning in worth while.

    MTP with Stretch is even more predictably Beltwayish and controversy-averse than it was during the reign of Timmy.  About the only time it's watchable is when their panel features the feisty Paul Begala.  Carville, sadly, is overexposed.  Ditto for NBC's ubiquitous unofficial "historian in residence" Doris Kearns Goodwin, who manages to make history uninteresting as she parrots the standard uncontroversial Beltway take on figures from the past.

    Too bad at least one of these shows hasn't gone back to the old panel of journalists format, with actual non-millionaire working reporters grilling a single guest, the somewhat more dynamic and useful format I recall from my youth.

    They showed Tara and Bella on (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by vml68 on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:29:08 AM EST
    Sunday morning again.
    I got misty-eyed the first time I saw it and it still affects me every time I see it.

    So sweet (none / 0) (#26)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:35:27 AM EST
    They should just replace all the sunday talk with animal stories.

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    No. (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by grandmaj on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:34:12 AM EST
    I can count on one hand the shows I have watched over the years.  I tried a few times during the Bush fiasco, but when I saw how Tim Russert allowed Bush and Cheney to skirt his questions with no followup, I quit.

    Michael Eric Dyson should be (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:42:58 AM EST
    on every week. Glad G. Will is on vacation.

    But we got a 10 minute discussion about how we should all strive to be better Christians, with the Sanford affair as the excuse.

    What a waste of time with health care and climate change bills on the table.

    OK, I can't take it anymore (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:46:51 AM EST
    turning off the Peggy Noonan show.

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    Oh! (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:45:46 AM EST
    They still air Sunday talk shows?  I had no idea ;-).  I figured the viewership they'd lost from people like me had killed them and Sundays mornings were now filled with sports and old Western movies.

    Of course, given that I can still feel that vacuum sucking and the sensation that I'm losing brain cells every time I walk near my TV this AM, I should have known.

    Iran shifts burners (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by lentinel on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:50:20 AM EST
    Iran is evil.
    Ahmadinejad is a mad dictator ready to send missiles into Israel and the rest of the civilized world.
    He has just stolen an election and we should continue to prod Obama to talk tough.
    Diplomacy has no place when dealing with evildoers like ...
    um just a moment....

    What's that about Michael Jackson?


    I can't take all the yip-yapping (5.00 / 5) (#33)
    by caseyOR on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 11:04:03 AM EST
    I am not as young as I once was and my blood pressure is too prone to skyrocketing. The Sunday gasbags both enrage and depress me. And they kind of embarrass me. Are these people really the best American journalism has to offer? I hope these programs aren't broadcast anywhere else in the world. Like I said, embarrassing.

    On the upside, Wimbledon started this past week, and is on the TV today.

    Not exactly journalists (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by lentinel on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:19:41 PM EST
    These people on those talk shows have little or nothing to do with journalism. They are salespeople.

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    Salespeople or professional talkers? (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:59:58 PM EST
    "Talkers" (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by lentinel on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:18:41 PM EST
    is too benign for these people.
    They are selling us the talking points of the people in power.
    One way they do this is by the people they choose as their guests.
    Another way is the phrasing of the questions they ask.

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    Snake Oil Salemen? (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:39:47 PM EST
    We are watching the Farrah special (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 11:19:15 AM EST
    on MSNBC.  In it they talk about Farrah's mom suffering a time of severe anemia and Farrah was taken care of by her Aunt and nuns at that time.  My daughter said, "Gee, if you get sick these days with the way everyone has to live, you're screwed and so are your kids with you."

    These days? (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Fabian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 01:01:32 PM EST
    A couple generations ago, this would have been the way things were.  Hospitals were only for the very ill and dying back then, mostly because it was cheaper to care for the merely ill at home and medicine could only do so much.

    Now, medicine can do more in terms of intervention, but not in terms of truly curing people, so people can gain a lot of benefit from being in a hospital, but it hasn't gotten any cheaper.  

    I do wonder if people back then had a better relationship with their own and other people's mortality.  There were few options back then, even for people who possessed fortunes.  It made us, possibly, more equal.

    [I use "cure" in its most literal sense.  I find that some people use "cure" when they really mean "treat".  I'm not sure why.]

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    McCaskill standing firmly (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 11:59:30 AM EST
    with the Republicans once again.
    Claire McCaskill Tweets That Clean Energy Bill Will `Unfairly Punish' Missouri

    IMO McCaskill "Unfairly Punished Missouri" by running for the Senate as a Democrat.

    Funny how when she sends requests for money, the Republicans are evil, evil people who must be defeated and only our contributions will save us from their agenda.  Yet, when it is time to vote on important issues, she proudly votes in favor of their agenda time after time.

    I live in MO (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:01:17 PM EST
    McCaskill is pretty much a Republican...how she gets away with having that 'D' after her name I'll never know...

    she'll be gone very soon...wipe that republican smug off her face...

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    From your keyboard to God's ears (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:07:23 PM EST
    It is my fervent hope that Ms. Claire goes down in history as a one term Senator.

    BTW, in case you didn't already guess, I am also from MO.

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    amen to that (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 08:59:53 AM EST
    from your southern neighbor. (I live in AR)

    hey, you guys know where Hardy is?
    check this out:

    Lake Sherwood is a private manmade lake just north of Hardy.

    Apparently a new resident has taken up living quarters on the lake side.

    Several reports of a sighting of a young alligator prompted me to take to the waters in search of the Hardy gator.

    Lake Sherwood would actually be a pretty good place for an alligator to live.

    Relatively little activity, lots of fish to munch and plenty of shoreline on which to bask in the sun.



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    it's just too bad that we can't vote for Robin (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:08:04 PM EST
    Carnahan to REPLACE McCaskill, rather than sit by her side as her 'teammate'...

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    She Has It Right (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:26:43 PM EST
    This time, although for the wrong reasons. Kucinich voted against the House bill (American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009) on friday.

    Three of his eight amendments which were not allowed to be offered to the full house make so much sense that is is mind boggling that it is not law already:

    Three other amendments would have made the federal government a force for change by requiring all federal energy to eventually come from renewable resources, by requiring the federal government to transition to electric and plug-in hybrid cars, and by requiring the installation of solar panels on government rooftops and parking lots.  These provisions would accelerate the transition to a green economy.

    via raw story

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    that article is truly DEPRESSING... (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:32:52 PM EST
    our self-interest is going to be the end of us...

    if only people realized that before you can secure your own future you have to ensure the future of our country and species as a whole...

    foresight...who needs it, my kids private school is too expensive to allow for foresight...

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    It also just makes me more depressed to think (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:33:59 PM EST
    that if Kucinich looked like Mitt Romney a lot more people would probably agree with him...

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    Oh, And (none / 0) (#62)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:55:12 PM EST
    Here is a report on the Senates fledgling bill that got passed by committee. It is even weaker than the House version that passed on fri.

    I am not expecting much. Too many short sighted pols who are owned by coal, oil and gas and nuke industries.

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    McCaskill's position is the exact (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:12:45 PM EST
    opposite of that of Kucinich. Kucinich does not need to worry that the House bill will become legislation. If any legislation is passed at all, it will be an extremely expensive give away to dirty energy, cuts to needed services will pay for it and it will be worse than the status quo. SOP for our current Congress.  

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    Man I don't think anything ENRAGES me right (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 11:59:52 AM EST
    now any more than the so-called 'climate tax' and how much the Republicans really don't care about anything more than 2 minutes in front of their faces...

    they really should just become the party of short-sighted arseholes (just look at all the foresight they use in running Wall St LOL)...

    Let's tax the SHIZZLE out of cigs because of the health concerns, but lets not give a RATS ARSE about health concerns from smokestacks A BILLION times the size of a tiny cigarette...

    Rape the world, reap the benefits, don't give an F about anyone but your immediate family...sounds like the Republican stand these days...

    I love how the Republicans act like they are so concerned about raising your average persons taxes (who cannot see through this veil?  who?  it's friggen gauze)...

    God, family, country... (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Dadler on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:04:24 PM EST
    ...was a mantra of many of my more ardent fellow students at the evangelical Christian high school I attended.  And country, often, seemed quite a distant third at that.  Then again, most of them also thought the separation of church and state, if it existed at all, was meant to protect the church.

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    Why are you limiting that attitude (none / 0) (#41)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:04:00 PM EST
    to only the Republicans? The Democrats are in charge, and they aren't changing that direction.


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    ya, Democrats finally get an issue right and yet (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:11:43 PM EST
    again they don't have the 'balls' (excuse the sexism for lack of a better term) to follow through with it and fight through the Republican bullcrap...

    no taxation without representation...where did that go?  I guess maybe the size of the country has just advanced passes this idea by leaps and bounds...

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    alternative (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by lentinel on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:16:54 PM EST
    Let's look for a non-gender specific term...

    How about:

    Courage
    Intestinal fortitude
    Conviction
    Integrity

    or if you want to refer to anatomy, there's always "guts" or the slightly passé, "spine".

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    ya, guts crossed my mind... (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:20:47 PM EST
    but just didn't seem to have the right feel...

    spine would seem to be apt...not sure if many Democrats these days would be able to find it in a middle-school biology textbook...

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    Alright, then... (none / 0) (#79)
    by lentinel on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:21:06 PM EST
    Why not say that the Democrats lack the vaginas or breasts to achieve their legislative goals?

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    because I don't think many people will get that (none / 0) (#84)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:38:42 PM EST
    reference...

    language needs something to be signified to work...

    but we can try to make that change if you want...
    not sure how well it will go over...

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    No I don't (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by SOS on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:14:33 PM EST
    never had a problem finding other things to occupy my mind and time with other then television.

    These shows have the same tired teddies. Should (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:32:48 PM EST
    they ever freshen the panels up, say with some bright young journalists like Jeremy Scahill, they might be worth a watch.  However, I am not sure reading opinions such as Frank Rich's puts me much further ahead.  In today's article Rich does make good points in commemoration of Stonewall and brings up the president's inaction, political cowardice (including fear of preachers), and possibly, hostility.  However, as one of the original cheerleaders bedecked in Obama pompoms, Rich makes sure to indict President Clinton for DADT and DOMA, and by implication, that things would not be any better with Mrs Clinton at the helm. However, he neglects to  mention the historic context and, essentially, the coup d'etat in the making in 1993, in response to Clinton's proposed executive order for equality in the military. Thanks to Powell and Nunn we have DADT.  DOMA was a means to head off a constitutional amendment by wingers riding high at the time. DOMA is a dastardly affront to civil rights and should not have been signed. But, as law, it can be more readily overturned.  Moreover, Rich lays blame on Clinton staffers now serving Obama, who he feels, learned nothing.  Which is not a good sign on this issue or any other.

    Frank Rich picks up where Tim Russert (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by oldpro on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:38:13 PM EST
    left off.  Makes my skin crawl.

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    It all makes sense now! (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by otherlisa on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:33:43 PM EST
    Everything is Clinton's fault!

    /snark

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    Okay (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    Interesting egg fact of the day.

    When hard boiled eggs develop the greenness around the yolk, that is ferrous sulfate.  Yes, you get a bit of iron from egg yolk, and when you screw up and cook your hard boiled eggs too much, you get to physically see it.

    Okay, one more, if you insist.

    If you want easily peelable hard boiled eggs, it's better to start with "old" eggs.  Egg shells are porous and water evaporation through the shell over time leads to less volume of egg white.  Less volume of egg white means less to "stick to" the shell when cooked.

    And those are your interesting egg facts for the day.

    Tomorrow I'll move on to fruits.

    Well yes..."old eggs" peel (none / 0) (#70)
    by oldpro on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 01:22:40 PM EST
    more easily...but if you don't have that choice, do this:

    Boil the eggs you have.  Pour off the boiling water.  Run very cold water into the pan until eggshells cool off.  Pour off cool water.  Shake the pan horizontally 'till all the eggshells are thoroughly crackled.

    They practically peel themselves.

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    We had some eggs (none / 0) (#95)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:33:01 PM EST
    that were extremely fresh and that didn't work.

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    Dang. Oh well.... (none / 0) (#118)
    by oldpro on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 12:10:42 AM EST
    It's true that sometimes more than a few stick and are hard to peel.  With those I end up with egg salad!

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    I'm thankful for the digital broadcast switch. (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Ben Masel on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 01:06:12 PM EST
    Made NO TV the lazy man's default.

    Good One (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 01:26:26 PM EST
    Nice framing, irony notwithstanding. I haven't had tv for more than 15 years and don't miss it a bit.

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    I want to miss TV (none / 0) (#105)
    by Fabian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 04:24:52 PM EST
    and I do miss the Friday night PBS line up.  But 99% of it?  I don't miss it at all.

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    This one's for you, MT (5.00 / 3) (#71)
    by Spamlet on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 01:26:18 PM EST
    Via Willie Brown (whom I love, by the way):

    I went to an unbelievable dinner party at Charlotte and George Shultz's penthouse Monday night for retired Army Gen. Eric Shinseki, the new secretary of veterans affairs.

    The party was a Stanlee Gatti tour de force, complete with fatigue-wearing servers, camouflage table cloths, extras dressed up as snipers and a full Marine color guard and band.

    It was like being in Afghanistan.

    All this for about a dozen guests. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was there with his wife, Maria Shriver. . . .

    I was seated next to Arnold, and he seemed to be holding up pretty well, considering the nightmare going on up in Sacramento.

    The dessert: a chocolate replica of the Joint Chiefs of Staff seal, surrounded with vanilla ice cream and the Golden Gate Bridge in chocolate on each side.

    Yeah. Just like being in Afghanistan.

    Jesus Christ :) (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:29:19 PM EST
    Here's a bit of trivia from Dubya's surprise visit to Baghdad on Thanksgiving and it isn't about the plastic turkey in the photo :)  When the President entered the building unannounced the building was then completely locked down.  Hundreds of soldiers couldn't get in for their Thanksgiving dinner, it was very cold too, my husband was one of the soldiers sitting outside the chowhall in a tent.  He was temporarily warehoused there waiting to be airlifted back to his unit.  He had just been stateside.  He ate an MRE in the tent and opened his bestfriend's christmas present that he was bringing back because he knew it was a blanket and his best friend would forgive him :)

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    Considering the content of the comment (none / 0) (#98)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:35:09 PM EST
    you replied to, your response was quite moderate!

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    What a change huh? (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 09:33:03 AM EST
    I think I'm burnt out on war outrage :)

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    That I seriously doubt. (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 11:22:27 AM EST
    Mind Boggling Article (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 04:36:37 PM EST
    By the intrepid reporterTom Lasseter of McCLatchy about the new $37,000,000 bridge that the US Army Corps of Engineers just completed, linking Afghanistan and Tajikistan.

    Every day last year -- extrapolating from United Nations estimates -- an average of more than 4 metric tons of opium, which can be made into some 1,320 pounds of heroin, moved on the northern route. Put another way, the equivalent of nearly 6 million doses of pure heroin -- at 100 milligrams each -- is carried across the northern Afghan border each day.

    McClatchy

    This report is a great argument for legalizing heroin and treating abuse as a medical issue, 'cepting that too many very important people are getting rich beyond measure by keeping it illegal.

    Of course not (none / 0) (#3)
    by lambert on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:05:58 AM EST
    And I've stopped reading the Sunday Times, too.

    What about the travel section? (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:20:39 AM EST
    Your shoes will be out dated soon and you won't even know to care :)

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    Not to mention wedding of the week. (none / 0) (#77)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:18:33 PM EST
    And the crossword! (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Anne on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:51:33 PM EST
    Gotta keep the brain exercised to stave off the dementia, you know?

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    Nope (none / 0) (#8)
    by No Blood for Hubris on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:36:34 AM EST
    Not for a long time.

    watching the shows (none / 0) (#15)
    by kenosharick on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:06:56 AM EST
    this morning makes me even more sure that, sadly, no real change is coming on health care. Another opportunity lost.

    Seems clear to me too (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:28:21 AM EST
    I'd rather see nothing done than what is likely to emerge from this Congress and WH.

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    Me too (none / 0) (#35)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 11:26:04 AM EST
    Seems that Congress and WH will come up with a "Blue Skies" faux type of health care reform. No reform would definitely be better than legislation that is extremely expensive and only benefits the insurance companies.

    Obama and the Dems have no viable excuse for this as the vast majority of the population is behind a real reform of the current system.

    Have to keep those political contributions coming in from the insurance companies no matter who it hurts.

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    No. (none / 0) (#36)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 11:41:33 AM EST


    Scientology Expose (none / 0) (#37)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 11:46:36 AM EST
    Via digby. Greedy, power hungry, and nasty people, who happen to be religious. What a surprise.

    Quite a read.

    wow, these guys are more nuts (none / 0) (#68)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 01:08:03 PM EST
    than I ever imagined...

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    It is (none / 0) (#101)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:36:40 PM EST
    considered a cult by many.

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    I took my time with it this afternoon (none / 0) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:00:31 PM EST
    in between dogs and babies.  The Church of Scientology has always puzzled me, I suppose it is the secretive nature.  Hard to believe that these people allow themselves to be sooo isolated in the name of serving the church and Sea Org or whatever the heck it is that the leaders are part of.  Noticed that many of the inner circle who were being beaten by the leader since Hubbard died have been in the church since they were children.  I would think you would have to have been to put up with such insanity.  The fear of being without the church or wronging the church had to outweigh their natural desire to not be beaten and abused.  A really strange religion.  I didn't know that Hubbard used to run the church on a ship called the Apollo either or that members that he wasn't happy with were thrown overboard, not left there....but this ship had to be pretty big.  If you were afraid of heights you'd be terrified, but a Scientologist doesn't have any phobias :)

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    How to explain people such as Hanks (none / 0) (#96)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:33:13 PM EST
    and Travolta subscribing to this?  Also a close friend of mind who is highly educated in the traditional sense of that term.

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    Oops. I think it is Cruise, not Hanks. (none / 0) (#97)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:33:49 PM EST
    Simplemindedness? (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:42:50 PM EST
    Easy manipulation? Tom Cruise isn't exactly a brilliant individual.  He has a talent, but otherwise, kind of a doofus.

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    I could be mistaken (none / 0) (#100)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:35:53 PM EST
    but I think Hanks is Jewish.

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    My take is that the whole (none / 0) (#130)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 09:23:47 AM EST
    auditing thing is that it is a bit like some therapies being used.  So it is like a church of therapy.  And if you are a paying customer.....errr member....you experience a very different side of things.  This seems to be the "business" side of the church where getting your teeth knocked out is theraputic and beneficial.

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    No Different (none / 0) (#103)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:57:28 PM EST
    Than other confessional oriented dogma, imo. Also lots of money transfered, reminds me of the Vatican.

    The real question was not whether the Scientologists should have been given non profit religion status by the IRS, but that all religions should have their tax free status revoked and be forced to pay taxes just like the rest of the for profit businesses out there.

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    The most interesting thing I took from that (none / 0) (#110)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 05:43:18 PM EST
    article is that the only thing it takes to become a 'legit' religion is a lot of money...but I already knew that anyway...

    I also love how they say one of their religions biggest goals is to end war, but then the Chairman of the Board (really, is that something a 'religion' should have?) was at 'war' with the IRS...

    this guy seems ruthless, although what would one expect from a guy who was brainwashed from such a young age by a guy who must have been very persuasive (Hubbard, that is...how could he not have been to make so much money off of people in such a vulgar way)...

    It's really quite scary...the first thing I thought about the guy (the Chairman of the board) was anitchrist...not because I think he is, but just because he's extremely scary in a powerful way...

    btw, where are the ethnic people?  all I see are a bunch of blond-haired blue-eyed young people representing the religion...

    the fact that America allows these people to operate as a religion is a huge black-eye on the country...quite insane really...

    I actually don't mind their goals and general philosophy, but they seem to go about it in a really bad way...

    and it seems like their idea of ending war in the world is by making everyone brainwashed and controlled by a single power...(huh, maybe they are a religion afterall)

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    and yes, I agree, the fact that any religion (none / 0) (#111)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 05:47:31 PM EST
    can be tax exempt is astounding...

    especially when you see the size of the houses that a lot of the televangelical leaders live in (here in Saint Louis there is a woman who runs one of the super-churches and she lives in a 5M dollar home...ya, sounds like they need to be tax exempt to me)...

    come to think of it, with all the tax problems in America maybe now is the time to try and revoke this privilege that is given to some but not to others just based upon opinion...there doesn't seem to be much of any guidelines, and the ones they do have don't do a good job of defining religion in any other way other than some belief backed by a lot of money...

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    Hey welcome back (none / 0) (#119)
    by sj on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 12:17:24 AM EST
    I noticed you were gone.

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    And now Billy May died at 50 (none / 0) (#43)
    by BarnBabe on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:04:43 PM EST
    This morning the guy who hawks everything from Orange Glo to Oxyclean was found dead this morning in Tampa. He always sounded so believable.

    I really gained a lot of respect for what he does (none / 0) (#46)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:09:36 PM EST
    after watching some of the 'reality' show he did...

    well, at least some respect for the man anyway...

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    Damn! (none / 0) (#55)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:29:39 PM EST
    I've been watching Pitchmen all spring.

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    Let Jason Linkins carry the burden. (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:21:36 PM EST
    And he is funny.

    Howard Dean is on a book tour (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 01:41:01 PM EST
    re his book on health care reform.  Anyone know what he advocates in his book?

    making money off a book rather than actually (none / 0) (#75)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:11:58 PM EST
    having anything to do with the real change?

    and I say that as a Dean fan (as much of a fan as I can be of ANY politician other than Jesse Ventura anymore--and he's not even a politician anymore)...

    As much as big business OWNS our country there's really little anyone can do to enact the right change through legal/congressional means...it's pretty sad...

    so just write a book and make some money instead of starting a real war that this country is in dire need of very soon...(hope I don't get detained for the rest of my life for saying that, since our Constitution doesn't mean much anymore and our government is looking more and more like it wants to head down the path of the Iranian government)...

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    Honduras Coup (none / 0) (#74)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:08:10 PM EST
    THe military has arrested President Manuel Zelaya and flown him out of the country.

    At approximately 6:30 a.m. local time, heavily-armed elements of the Honduran military began circulating outside the presidential palace. The president was reportedly arrested, taken to the airforce base in Tegucigalpa and transferred out of the country. This is a rapidly developing situation, with protestors now gathering in Tegucigalpa. Electricity has been cut and local media interrupted. Consider this a live blog of a coup . . . to be updated with background.

    cadejo4


    Pres. had the audacity to dismiss (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:21:38 PM EST
    a top military person.

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    I Guess (none / 0) (#82)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 02:29:37 PM EST
    Gates is staying, war crimes and all.

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    Ha. (none / 0) (#90)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:07:59 PM EST
    Oh Well... (none / 0) (#104)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 04:06:43 PM EST
    The US part of the joint task force must have been busy with other things.... cough, cough...
    [Navy Adm. James G.] Stavridis noted the long history of friendship and cooperation between the United States and Honduras that he said has paved the way for important security successes.

    He thanked Honduran leaders for their support for Joint Task Force Bravo, Southcom's only permanently deployed U.S. forces in the region, which has operated in Honduras since 1983.

    Based at Soto Cano Air Base, Joint Task Force Bravo stands as Southcom's "911 force," prepared to respond to natural disasters such as severe flooding and landslides that ravaged much of Costa Rica and Panama in late November and early December. In addition to humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, the task force supports counternarcotics and other missions in the region.

    link via moon of alabama

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    Corrente thread has quite a few good links on (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by jawbone on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 05:36:32 PM EST
    Obviously (none / 0) (#113)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 06:24:28 PM EST
    Obama will withdraw all US special-ops joint task force Bravo troops from Honduras, and cut the 2 mil or so of US money provided annually to train Honduran troops, if the Military does not return President Zelaya to power immediately.

    lol....  

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    Per AP, Pres. is "not opposed" (none / 0) (#91)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:13:35 PM EST
    to taxing health benefits to help pay for health care reform:

    AP

    Query:  what reform except this business of taxing health care benefits?

    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:35:12 PM EST
    Out of "health care reform" I think we'll get taxation of benefits and not much more.  It's a sneaky way of regressively raising taxes on the middle class while making us think it's for a worthy cause.

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    Taxation of benefits and (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 09:07:35 PM EST
    cuts to Medicare and Medicaid.

    Got to pay for those corporate welfare programs.

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    Fareed Zakaria's show (none / 0) (#92)
    by BackFromOhio on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:24:26 PM EST
    (CNN) is the only Sunday program I find truly informative.  Today he had a former CIA agent on who said he believes that there has been a military takeover in Iran.

    How? Why? Any more info you can add-- (none / 0) (#109)
    by jawbone on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 05:37:27 PM EST
    or the link for transcript/video? Thnx!

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    Link to Video etc (none / 0) (#134)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 06:29:05 PM EST
    former agent's name is Baer

    Link:

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x330505

    Show is Fareed Zakaria GPS
    On CNN, Sundays, 1pm Eastern time


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    For those of you who commented (none / 0) (#114)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 07:43:14 PM EST
    on the NPR ombudswoman's comments on NPR's policy re referring to waterboarding as torture, listen to On the Media's interview of her.  She says in her personal opinion waterboarding is torture. onthemedia.org should have the transcript.  

    More Monica Conyers (none / 0) (#120)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 08:47:19 AM EST
    Apparently not only did she receive bribe money in a sludge deal, but her assistant is now singing like a bird and saying Conyers took cash and jewelry for other questionable transactions.

    And while it isn't clear that her husband, Congressman John Conyers, is peripherally involved, his name has come up. The US Attorney has said there wasn't any evidence that he was knowingly or intentionally involved in his wife's conduct, it still looks bad.

    Monica Conyers has admitted accepting bribes in a sludge deal, but the Detroit councilwoman's political adviser and onetime chief of staff told the Free Press she received cash and jewelry for brokering other questionable transactions.

    The aide, Sam Riddle, said Conyers even helped draft a letter sent by her husband, Congressman John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., to help a man with whom she had financial ties. It is unclear whether John Conyers knew of his wife's alleged link to the businessman.

    In that deal, Riddle said, Monica Conyers arranged for Riddle to get a $20,000 contract with Greektown entrepreneur Dimitrios (Jim) Papas in about 2007. Riddle said Papas hired him for crisis consulting and political advising -- but he was never asked to do any work. She then demanded $10,000 of that money as a "finder's fee," Riddle said.

    At some point after Papas paid him, Riddle said, John Conyers sent a letter to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in support of a controversial hazardous waste injection well in Romulus that one of Papas' companies was seeking to operate.

    Federal investigators examined a variety of Monica Conyers' dealings. U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg said Sunday: "We didn't have any evidence the congressman was knowingly or intentionally involved in Ms. Conyers' illegal conduct."



    depends on whos talking (none / 0) (#121)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 08:52:24 AM EST
    I watched Hillary the other day.  if I am awake and around I am likely to see who is on to see if I might be interested in hearing their particular spin.

    its monday and drudges headline in 40 pt red type:

    PLIGHT OF THE WHITE FIREFIGHTER:

    Chicago is sounding more and more like (none / 0) (#122)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 08:55:13 AM EST
    Beirut.  glad I am a safe distance.  last week the hospitals were running short of blood because of the gang violence.  
    Six Men Shot Dead In 24 Hours In Chicago
    Several Others Shot Or Stabbed And Wounded

    Live (none / 0) (#124)
    by AlkalineDave on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 09:05:08 AM EST
    from scotusblog - ricci is overturned 5-4

    ah (none / 0) (#125)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 09:08:17 AM EST
    the "plight" of the poor white fire fighter has been addressed.  and all is right with the world.

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    This is going to be skewed (none / 0) (#126)
    by AlkalineDave on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 09:09:44 AM EST
    as a rebuttal to Sotomayor, which is f**** stupid.

    how did Souter (none / 0) (#127)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 09:11:13 AM EST
    vote

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    with the (none / 0) (#128)
    by AlkalineDave on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 09:15:44 AM EST
    minority.  It was split along usual lines with Justice Kennedy being the swing.  There were a few concurring opinions and one dissenting.

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    Today (none / 0) (#129)
    by AlkalineDave on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 09:16:33 AM EST
    will probably end the Troy Davis appeal.  I have a bad feeling about it.

    Cuomo is decided (none / 0) (#131)
    by AlkalineDave on Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 09:25:12 AM EST
    with Scalia being the swing to the liberal bloc.  Justice Scalia has been a little unpredictable as of late.