Somalia: Thieves Sentenced to Public Amputation of Limbs

Four men who stole three cell phones and two assault rifles have been sentenced under Sharia law in Somalia. Each will have their right hand and left leg (probably above the foot) amputated in public.

Amnesty International is protesting the sentence.

"We are appealing to Al-Shabab not to carry out these cruel, inhuman and degrading punishments," said Tawanda Hondora, Amnesty International's Africa Deputy Director. "These sentences were ordered by a sham Al-Shabab court with no due process or guarantees of fairness."

The four young men were not represented by lawyers or allowed to appeal the sentence. The sentence was not immediately carried out because it was so hot outside there was fear the men would bleed to death.

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    No need to ration it.

    Especially toward fundies trying to hurl us all back into the 9th century.

    hmmmmm (1.00 / 1) (#1)
    by TeresaInPa on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 03:40:16 PM EST
    everywhere in the mideast women are beaten torched, stoned, have acid thrown in their face, hung for being raped.  
    I can't get too agitated over the fate of these poor men.  Where is the ACLU's outrage over the daily lives of women?... and gay people?

    It's Amnesty International... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by kdog on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 03:45:02 PM EST
    not the ACLU...and they defend human rights everywhere and anywhere it is assaulted....be the victims man or woman, straight or gay, sinner or saint.  And sun god bless them for that.

    C'mon T...no reason to make a battle of the sexes or the sexual orientations out of this sad tale of barbaric inhumane treatment of human beings.  


    my mistake...typing too fast...however (none / 0) (#3)
    by TeresaInPa on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 03:52:10 PM EST
    I beg to differ, I think it they defended everyone against torture they would be on a constant 24/7 drive to change the plight of women and gay people in the ME.  
    There IS a need always to make that point.  But then feminisn is so damn inconvenient.
    I feel for these guys, it is horrible what is happening to them.  But every day of most women's live in most ME countries is a nightmare.  It seems women need to harp on this even more since you refer to it with that cutsy 1970's expression "battle of the sexes".  This isn't about Billie Jean King playing tennis.

    Somalia (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 04:13:14 PM EST
    is the focus of the thread.

    It is common in several parts of the world to remove the body part involved in the crime one is convicted for. Creepy and horrible, IMO.

    Having lived in the ME, I can tell you I never once saw a person walking around with a hand or foot amputated.


    Umm... (4.00 / 1) (#6)
    by kdog on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 04:02:14 PM EST
    Amensty Int'l is on a 24/7/365 mission to protect human rights....it is all they do.  Read their reports on the ME countries that treat humans inhumanely...I think you'll like what you see of their efforts in exposing the very treatment you and I deplore.

    Every human life is sacred (none / 0) (#15)
    by mexboy on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 05:56:03 PM EST
    I don't think Amnesty defending the barbaric "sentence" given to these people takes away from women or gay people. It is choosing to defend only the "right" people that has left women and gays out.

     "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." MLJK


    I think the sentence is barbaric (none / 0) (#20)
    by hairspray on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 07:15:18 PM EST
    The only thing I see different with women for example is that they can be stoned or killed for less than stealing weapons. If they do not obey their husbands or have enough dowry, and things more related to social customs they can be killed. The young men did commit crimes.  That being said,the punishment is barbaric.

    Good lord. (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 03:56:08 PM EST

    Violence against women and girls

    Women within the region faced additional insecurity, through discrimination under the law and in practice, and violence, often at the hands of their male relatives. At its most acute, such violence saw women killed in so-called honour crimes, as in Iraq, Jordan, the Palestinian Authority and Syria.Women migrant domestic workers were particularly vulnerable to sexual and other abuse by employers as they were often unprotected by labour laws. In both Jordan and Lebanon women domestic workers died in suspicious circumstances amid speculation that some had been killed, had fallen to their deaths while attempting to escape their places of work, or had resorted to suicide in desperation. In the Kurdistan Region of northern Iraq, the high incidence of cases of women being burned to death, either at their own hand or others', suggested the same.

    "I believe that lashing sentences are a source of shame and constitute disparagement for all Iranians who believe in justice and equality. Further, these types of sentences are a sign of the violence which is perpetuated against women in our society." - Sussan Tahmasebi, a member of the Campaign for Equality in Iran, referring to punishments handed down to women's rights activists.

    In other states there were positive developments reflecting growing appreciation among governments that women cannot continue to be relegated to a formof second-class status. The Egyptian authorities banned the practice of female genital mutilation; the governments of Oman and Qatar made legal changes to give women equal status with men in various housing and compensation matters; and the Tunisian government acceded to a key international treaty on women's rights and introduced a "hotline" for women facing domestic violence.

    Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Human Rights

    We all have a sexual orientation and a gender identity, and this shared fact means that discrimination against members of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender community, based on sexual orientation and/ or gender identity, is an issue that transcends that community and affects all of us.

    Sexual orientation covers sexual desires, feelings, practices and identification. Sexual orientation can be towards people of the same or different sexes (same-sex, heterosexual or bisexual orientation). Gender identity refers to the complex relationship between sex and gender, referring to a person's experience of self expression in relation to social categories of masculinity or femininity (gender). A person's subjectively felt gender identity may be at variance with their sex or physiological characteristics.

    Amnesty International believes that all people, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity, should be able to enjoy their human rights. Although the Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not explicitly mention sexual orientation or gender identity, evolving conceptions of international human rights law include a broad interpretation to include the rights and the protection of the rights of LGBT people around the world.

    Thanks Sarc.... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 04:02:59 PM EST
    for doing the leg work for our friend T in PA.

    Please don't change the topic (5.00 / 0) (#11)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 05:28:31 PM EST
    this is a post about crime and sentencing. All human rights groups have protested the treatment of women. We've written about it. This post is about a barbaric punishment for relatively minor crimes.

    If they can get away with mutilating (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by inclusiveheart on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 05:32:22 PM EST
    men, it only makes it ten-fold easier to do it to women.

    I can't believe we are even having to discuss this though as anything but a practice that NO HUMAN BEING should ever be subjected to regardless of gender, religion, race, IQ, geographic location or even offense.


    This is a horrific sentence (4.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Spamlet on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 03:55:31 PM EST
    and I'm plenty agitated over it, apart from the shortcomings of Amnesty International, which is the organization I think you mean.

    This kind of barbarism hurts everyone. To suggest that it matters less than the fact that women are routinely tortured (not just in the Middle East, by the way) is to cheapen the suffering of the very people for whom you claim to speak.


    I've always known you to be (4.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 04:50:07 PM EST
    my feminist sister on the net, I know and understand your frustration too.  I don't know if going voiceless about the mutilation of the sex that beats, abuses, mutilates, damages, and murders so many women in the Middle East will bring safety and end the suffering of our sisters there though.

    Well (none / 0) (#18)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 06:49:07 PM EST
    Its nice to know that to you a Africans are still less than human.

    upon reflection (none / 0) (#19)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 06:52:09 PM EST
    this may have been to hasty- it could be men of any skin color that you think are less than human.

    the collective mental retardation... (1.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Dadler on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 05:39:00 PM EST
    ...of humankind continues.  this is hideous and wrong...as is much of what we have done to people for a long time.  difference is, we aren't so obvious or up front about it.

    collective.  mental.  retardation.

    would you like (none / 0) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 05:44:28 PM EST
    to hear an Islamic cleric defend the practice?

    "we cut off a limb because the limb is criminal.  if the person had gangrene wouldnt you cut it off?
    this is a medical principal these days"

    This is just another (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 06:30:43 PM EST
    expression of those "old fashioned traditional values" (fundie Muslim style) we're always hearing about.

    As the cannibal father said to his son: "But son, we cannibals have ALWAYS eaten people.."


    In the words of the mooninites (none / 0) (#16)
    by AlkalineDave on Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 05:59:57 PM EST
    Your logic is flawless.