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Working The Refs Drudge Style

ABC will be airing an hour long program on health care with the President of the United States and other government officials. The Right Wing has employed the tried and true Drudge tactic of "working the refs." See Memeorandum. This tactic is as old as the John Birch Society.

Have no doubt though, it will work. Charlie "college professors make $250,000 a year" Gibson will be appropriately hostile to President Obama on the health care issue. And no, not by asking him about single payer. It will be a Harry and Louise night. Such is the state of our Media.

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    The coverage has been awful. (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by TheRealFrank on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:00:21 PM EST
    In every single item on the national news that I have seen, there is no mention of why healthcare needs to be reformed. No mention of all the people without healthcare. And no discussion of what the plans would offer.

    It has all been "The government is going to get involved in healthcare! Controversy! It will cost a lot of money!"

    That's atrocious reporting. It isn't even reporting.

    A real report would start by stating the problem, then mention the alternatives being proposed, what these plans hope to fix, and how they hope to fix it. I have seen none of that.

    No discussion on why a public option is proposed. Just that it's some sort of awful big government plot. And no discussion of, if it's so awful, how an alternative would work. Noone has asked any Republican what their alternative plan is, and why they didn't lift a finger to pass anything in the 6 years that they controlled the white house and congress.

    As far as I'm concerned, the media has blood on their hands. They are responsible for creating a climate where it is almost impossible to get working healthcare reform passed, thus causing the deaths of people who could not pay for medical help.


    The coverage has been real successful (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:28:29 PM EST
    if you are against any real reform of our health insurance based system.

    My daughter, a stanch Democratic voter, started repeating the propaganda about socialized medicine yesterday. The news coverage that she watches (not Fox) has convinced her that single payer or a public options would be socialized medicine and increase their taxes so high that there would not be anything left for them to live on.  

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    MO Blue (none / 0) (#28)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 04:28:03 PM EST
    that is exactly the problem.  they are being very effective.  it is disgusting and disheartening how many other wise sane people are willing to repeat those talking points.

    it is a text book usage of a wedge issue.  


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    You're kidding, right... (none / 0) (#6)
    by bocajeff on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:13:24 PM EST
    The number of 45 to 50 million uninsured has been hammered home very often. What's funny though is they don't break it down as to who the 45 to 50 million are (illegal immigrants, students who don't think they'll get sick, people in between jobs for a couple of months, etc...) Now, one person may be too much and that's fair. But it probably wouldn't fit the narrative.

    My understanding is that a majority of people don't want single payer yet they want universal coverage. Good luck with that...

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    Not kidding at all (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by TheRealFrank on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:20:37 PM EST
    In the last reports I saw, there was no mention of the number of uninsured at all.

    Just "Oh no, it's socialized medicine, it's the bad evil government again". And nobody there to explain what a public option is supposed to do.

    This fight was lost before it even began.


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    That is was... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:25:34 PM EST
    and I blame the big bad government for that...their cures tend to be worse than the disease...see war on drugs, Iraq, and our national finances for starters.

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    This morning on NPR (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:00:53 PM EST
    they interviewed Kathleen Sebelius about health care reform. It was pretty infuriating. The interviewer (can't remember his name) spent most of the interview hammering her to try to force her to say that any public insurance option could problematically lead to monolithic socialized health care for all because it could inevitably outcompete private companies. IOW, parroting right wing talking points to try to jettison any public option at all. This is so depressing.

    BTW, Charlie Gibson - I never made over 100K as a college professor, dude. And, according to the Chronicle of Higher Education, the average faculty salary in the U.S. is about 65K.

    I actually pointed (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:09:04 PM EST
    Charlie Gibson to this web site:

    http://www.lbloom.net/

    where you can see every college prof's salary...of course his helpers didn't respond.

    I think some profs make over $200,000 with book deals, etc, but they're rare.  The rest make on average under $90K, which is still a pretty good deal compared to the average Joe, especially when you consider the ridiculously good bennies, but nowhere near $250K

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    Agree on NPR (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Coral on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:33:59 PM EST
    It seemed to be a pretty hostile interview (and summary).

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    (not so) Nice Polite Republicans? n/t (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Spamlet on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:02:21 PM EST
    Alarmist (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by ruffian on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:16:34 PM EST
    The morning NPR anchors have adopted that breathless, fast-talking, perpetually surprised and alarmed attitude that CNN anchors have been using lately. 'don't you see how horrible this could be??!!!???'

    I can barely listen anymore.

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    Not for nothing... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:29:40 PM EST
    we'd be wise to refer to Murphy's Law before we do anything....

    Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong.

    Especially when Uncle Sam is involved, it can go terribly wrong with cost over-runs in the billions.  Something to think about...

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    Yeah because (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by TheRealFrank on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:31:53 PM EST
    .. the system right now is working so well for everybody.


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    They system sucks... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:51:24 PM EST
    but it can always get worse Frank...what reason does anyone have to believe that the outfit that brought us the war on drugs and the occupation of Iraq is any position to solve the problems of affordable health care for all with an aging population with scripts up the wazoo and an empty treasury?  What reason do we have to believe that the big bad government will be any better than the big bad insurance company?

    About all I know for sure is I can stop paying my premiums when the insurance company f*cks me, I can't stop having my wages taken by the government without going to prison or getting shot.

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    Then come up with a better plan. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by TheRealFrank on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 04:02:55 PM EST
    The public option is there to force the healthcare/insurance industry to lower costs, because they'll have to compete with it.

    Do you have a better plan to force lower costs?

    Voluntary reform? Yeah, right, that was one of Bush' favorites. That worked out well.


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    The Libertarian view (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 07:16:48 PM EST
    suffers from not providing alternatives.  It's just a series of "too bad, so sad, you're screwed" responses to everything.

    There are no Libertarian alternatives because it is an ideology rooted in rhetorical opposition, not practical solutions.

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    Want a libertarian practical solution?... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 03:28:15 PM EST
    But I warn you..it requires a lot of blood, sweat, tears, time, and effort...not just crying to Washington "do something without raising my taxes!".

    Take up a collection, hold fundraisers, get volunteers and build/staff a hospital for your community and your local community healthcare needs.  Or get some sound local government in place to organize this and make it happen.  Pool the funds raised and add it to what the community is currently spending on insurance and care and you've got a nice knot.  Forget the feds...hopeless, and too big too not fail.

    I fear all the socialist view is gonna get us is a new health boss, same as the old health boss...poor and working people still won't be able to afford to get sick, same as ever.

    We shoud try being our own bosses...difficult, yes very...but not impossible.

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    the private sector has proven itself just (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by of1000Kings on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 04:55:49 PM EST
    as bad, if not worse, at running an industry, as we see with privatized prisons costing taxpayers more than those ran by state/local/federal governments.

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    If it is 10% less sh*tty... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 03:29:11 PM EST
    then by all means lets go for it...but I'm fearing the worst...it is the safe play when Uncle Sam is involved.

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    This interview? (none / 0) (#18)
    by me only on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:30:32 PM EST
    Check out the Ed Show on MsNBC (5.00 / 0) (#31)
    by DFLer on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 05:48:06 PM EST
    for good coverage on this issue.

    We need the fairness doctrine (none / 0) (#1)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 01:52:01 PM EST
    that the Republicans refused to pass.

    I don't think it's right that Obama gets to offer the one-sided story.  This is very close to state-sponsored TV (worse than Faux because at least Faux is only on cable).  Now other networks will be lining up to kiss Obama's hiney even more than they already do so that they can get THEIR time with his issues.  Complete, and utter conflict of interest for the "4th estate".  Not what we want for accountability or "democracy".

    However, the irony is that maybe if Reagan hadn't blocked the fairness doctrine, the Republicans would have legal recourse.

    Of course, I don't think the Democrats will be screaming about the fairness doctrine now...

    Good for Drudge.  Bloggers need to observe and follow his example...of course for the purpose of good rather than evil.

    Thank goodness (none / 0) (#4)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:07:51 PM EST
    I don't watch any programs right now on ABC - it won't interrupt my television viewing pleasure with this Obama-mercial.

    I guess this goes hand-in-hand - (none / 0) (#9)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:50:08 PM EST
    or is that hand-in-pocket? - with this:

    Last year, millions of Americans came together for a great purpose.

    Folks like you assembled a grassroots movement that shocked the political establishment and changed the course of our nation. When Washington insiders counted us out, we put it all on the line and changed our democracy from the bottom up. But that's not why we did it.

    The pundits told us it was impossible -- that the donations working people could afford and the hours volunteers could give would never loosen the vise grip of big money and powerful special interests. We proved them wrong. But as important as that was, that's not why we did it.

    Today, spiraling health care costs are pushing our families and businesses to the brink of ruin, while millions of Americans go without the care they desperately need. Fixing this broken system will be enormously difficult. But we can succeed. The chance to make fundamental change like this in people's daily lives -- that is why we did it.

    The campaign to pass real health care reform in 2009 is the biggest test of our movement since the election. Once again, victory is far from certain. Our opposition will be fierce, and they  have been down this road before. To prevail, we must once more build a coast-to-coast operation  ready to knock on doors, deploy volunteers, get out the facts, and show the world how real change happens in America.

    And just like before, I cannot do it without your support.

    So I'm asking you to remember all that you gave over the last two years to get us here -- all the time, resources, and faith you invested as a down payment to earn us our place at this crossroads in history. All that you've done has led up to this -- and whether or not our country takes the next crucial step depends on what you do right now.

    Please donate whatever you can afford to support the campaign for real health care reform in 2009.

    It doesn't matter how much you can give, as long as you give what you can. Millions of families on the brink are counting on us to do just that. I know we can deliver.

    Thank you, so much, for getting us this far. And thank you for standing up once again to take us the rest of the way.

    Sincerely,

    President Barack Obama

    I hope you can read it without (1) laughing - or screaming - at the audacity, (2) running out of fingers before you are finished counting the number of "truthy" statements and claims, (3) reaching for the Pepto, or (4) wanting to throw something.  Yes, it's a thrill ride, for sure.

    Anyone know where this money is really going?  Whether it will be accounted for?  Why the president needs money - more money - from the people to get "real" health care reform done?

    Is it the bamboozle when his hand's in your pocket?  Or is that the ol' okey-doke?


    "Our opposition will be fierce, (none / 0) (#10)
    by Spamlet on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:01:13 PM EST
    and they have been down this road before," as Candidate Obama well knew when he resurrected Harry and Louise last year against more progressive proposals for health care reform.

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    it will (none / 0) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:08:24 PM EST
    they have been gearing up for months.

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    btw (none / 0) (#20)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:34:32 PM EST
    I was not agreeing with him except that on that one point he is correct.
    the opposition will be fierce.  the insurance companies will spend whatever it takes to scare the hell out of as many people as they can.


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    He wants OUR money so he can mess with (none / 0) (#14)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:19:54 PM EST
    HCR?!

    To prevail, we must once more build a coast-to-coast operation  ready to knock on doors, deploy volunteers, get out the facts, and show the world how real change happens in America.

    Facts? Obama? Or will his "facts" be for people to knock on doors to get Americans to sign a pledge of support for whatever he ends up doing without supplying much info upfront?

    I wonder how long he can go with this knock on your neighbors door crap?

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    I've been thinking that it's more like (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:37:38 PM EST
    crap on your neighbors' door step.

    You know, kind of like flaming bags of dog poo.

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    Is he counting on his younger volunteers for this? (none / 0) (#24)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:57:43 PM EST
    I wonder what percent of them have health ins/think they need it? If they didn't have employer based ins, would they go out and get their own?

    I have a continuous supply of dog poo  {grin}

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    Such is the state of our Media: (none / 0) (#25)
    by Radiowalla on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:58:32 PM EST
    "Piss-pitiful, beyond all compare."

    This painfully accurate summary was offered by the incomparable Bob Somerby at the end of yesterday's Daily Howler .

    Well whatever is said, I hope the BS is kept to a (none / 0) (#27)
    by vicndabx on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 04:19:13 PM EST
    minimum.  For so many reasons this debate shouldn't be clouded by hyperbole and misconceptions.  

    For those that are interested, here's what some in the industry are actually proposing.  Warning: this links to a site sponsored in part by one of the largest health insurers in the nation.

    the response says this (none / 0) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 04:50:40 PM EST
    "ABCNEWS prides itself on covering all sides of important issues and asking direct questions of all newsmakers -- of all political persuasions . . .

    "ABCNEWS alone will select those who will be in the audience asking questions of the president.

    in the best of all possible worlds this could be a good thing.  of course they will select questioners who will ask hostile questions.  Obama has shown he is pretty good at answering those questions if he want to be.

    lets hope he wants to try to put some of these straw men down.


    If Obama can fix health care (none / 0) (#33)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 09:22:00 PM EST