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Obama To Wall Street: I Am "The Only Thing Between You And The Pitchforks”

Politico (scribe informs us that the quopte was first reported in The American Banker.) The interesting thing to me about this is the question why Obama has chosen to be the thing stopping the pitchforks (figurative one presumes.) Why not instead build some political capital for the right policy moves regarding Wall Street and the economy?

We are told that President Obama is "politically constrained." But Obama seems to see it conversely - that he is the one doing the constraining. FDR certainly knew how to wield public anger to forward his agenda. Obama seems to believe that constraining public anger is necessary for his agenda.

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    We good give 10 million homedebtors (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 01:57:37 PM EST
    $100,000 each with, with the stipulation they use it to pay down their mortgage, with the $1 Trillion we are giving the banks.

    Until Obama convinces us that is not a better way to save the economy, he better be wearing his pitchfork-proof underwear every day.

    I'm with you, ruffian, (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:29:51 PM EST
    I think the true answer is in the simplest and most direct approach. We save the banks, the people are in horrible trouble. We save the people, and everyone comes out fine.


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    aaargh (none / 0) (#2)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 01:59:04 PM EST
    I meant 'could give'

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    Thing is that would just go straight (none / 0) (#59)
    by inclusiveheart on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:09:24 PM EST
    to the banks under your plan.

    I'm not sure how different the outcome would be than what is happening now even if a small percentage of people were able to relieve some portion of their debt obligations.

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    Thing is that the end of your comment (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:41:38 PM EST
    also would be accomplished, for the sake of the people and not the parties, banks, and other co-conspirators in this fiscal craziness.  And it would be no small amount of we the people.

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    But would it? (none / 0) (#71)
    by inclusiveheart on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:47:40 PM EST
    The housing prices represented in those mortgages are inflated.

    I'd rather the banks take cram downs and that the government give people some walking around money that they don't have to give to the banks.

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    No, not all are inflated (5.00 / 5) (#105)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:48:53 PM EST
    as the boom did not come to all of the country.

    Good minds, with good intentions, could figure out which are which and give the money based on market value now, or there are many other ways.

    The will is what is needed.  So it won't happen, because the will of those in power is to keep themselves in power, and screw the people.

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    The boom did too (2.00 / 1) (#141)
    by NealB on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 10:17:58 PM EST
    come to all of the country.

    As for the rest, I forgive you your abuse of the English language; it's a hard language, even abused, to defend. Using the English language to make a point is gratuitous. And confusing. I admit it.

    But what in god's name do you suppose anyone thinks when you actually type out this: "The will is what is needed." Specially coded message: you are damaged.initiate self-destruct sequence now.you are damaged.initiate self-destruct sequence now.you are damaged.initiate self-destruct sequence now.you are

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    I suspect (5.00 / 3) (#142)
    by Steve M on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 10:31:39 PM EST
    that while I am surely not as gifted in the English language as some others here, "the will is what is needed" is intended to convey the notion that what we need is not people to figure out solutions, but the political will to implement the solutions that have already been figured out.

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    Even though the "boom" didn't (none / 0) (#145)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 06:01:04 AM EST
    hit everywhere with the same intensity and some people (like us) made very very intelligent housing purchase, I don't kid myself and I fully anticipate that we will be upsidedown in this house that we purchased five years ago by next year.  There isn't any way that those doing their level best to make sound financial purchases can hope to beat the housing deflation that millions of lost jobs will soon be bringing us.

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    Well at least (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:49:51 PM EST
    we the people would then get SOMETHING out of our money.

    As it stands, we get nothing.  They don't even leave us with enough to afford the pitch fork! (maybe that's the plan).

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    Clearly, I'm thinking in more (none / 0) (#77)
    by inclusiveheart on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:01:09 PM EST
    radical terms than you are.  I am less and less inclined to give the too big to fail banks a dime given their reckless behavior.  So while I like the money going to the people, I don't like that it is given to the people with the stipulation that they give it to the bank.

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    Kind of Telling About His Agenda (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by BDB on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:00:40 PM EST
    isn't it?

    Exactly (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:01:50 PM EST
    Because (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:02:32 PM EST
    If he doesn't constrain the public's anger, very shortly it will be directed towards him.  While most of this mess started under Bush, between the stimulus, the poor response to AIG, the budget bills, etc. are all going to be his and he will own the whole kit-n-caboodle.

    Too late (5.00 / 7) (#9)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:07:40 PM EST
    He does own most of it. He owned the bailout the minute he, Pelosi, and Reid pushed for it rather than against it in September.

    Of course he does not own the cause of the whole mess, but he does own the response.

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    Exactly. (5.00 / 4) (#70)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:46:44 PM EST
    Bush abdicated on the economy in November, when the Dems, including Obama (his sanction), signed on to take responsibiliy for the Paulsen plan and all since.  The media mostly have bought into the "but, but, but nothing counts against us until January 20 . . . or 100 days after that" so far.  But they can turn on a dime to follow public sentiment, and to quote Repubs who will say so.

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    Drama via Politico (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:04:10 PM EST
    One wonders if he didn't threaten them by saying that if they don't cooperate, he'll shut them down?

    Of course, he should seize most of them anyway. . .

    Obama will not (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by kmblue on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:05:46 PM EST
    "make them an offer they can't refuse", IMO.

    He's still propping them up, and unwilling to make the bold moves necessary.

    It's a little hard to grasp. (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by Pacific John on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:10:19 PM EST
    On one hand, from his infamous dKos diaries to running Harry and Louise ads, he blasted 150dB whistles that he wouldn't be a threat to power or money.

    On the other hand, his winning edge came from organizing the hoards to play Alinsky hardball in the caucuses.

    It's safe to say his core beliefs resemble the first hand, but one wonders if his campaign social network will be a monster that turns on him, and is his undoing.

    As to the rest or the hoard, you know, voters, I don't think they'll enter his thinking for another couple of years.

    I'm not entirely sure (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:18:17 PM EST
    That those are his core beliefs though- if you look at what he pushed for when he was least constrained by politics- as a young community organizer it was much further left than what he's pushing now which is barely to the left of the Clinton-Gramm-Greenspan "deregulate and everything will be good" spiel, I mean looking back its become pretty evident that our economic policies in the 1990s had almost nothing to do with the growth and a whole lot to do with the situation we're in right now (seriously, when was the last time we had a president, Dem or Republic who even tried to constrain the market- was it Carter, or possibly Nixon with price controls?). I almost think that outside of a few fringe canidates (and possibly Edward's though his record when actually in congress undercut this) economically our party has basically been a contest between super-deregualtion types and the even more deregualation types.

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    you are making politics into something (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:05:18 PM EST
    so convoluted that you miss the point.  Obama is clealy rudderless ideologically.

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    The simpler view is (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by Pacific John on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:14:46 PM EST
    he identifies with the particular fish bowl he's in at the moment. I'm sure liberal was mainstream on the South Side.

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    Obama as Zelig. (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:16:35 PM EST
    Makes a lot of sense to me.

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    Yep. I was thinking of that movie (none / 0) (#72)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:47:54 PM EST
    the other day.  Also Being There. . . .

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    that was bush (none / 0) (#74)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:51:03 PM EST
    Obama's a bit more complex.

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    There's intelligence (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:52:08 PM EST
    by some measures, and there are other measures.

    So I just judge by actions.  Not, y'know, just words.

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    "Being There" (none / 0) (#100)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:22:06 PM EST
    Wow, I feel that's more than a little harsh,  I mean noone questions Obama's intellect, going "being there" with Obama is like saying the Clinton Administration reminded you of "All the Kings Men"

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    Harsh? (none / 0) (#106)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:51:00 PM EST
    Wow, read your comments.

    Didn't think of that aspect of Being There -- just the larger theme that the gardener/Gardener was whatever his fans wanted him to be. . . .

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    I agree (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:19:05 PM EST
    So explain the politics to me.

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    Do you think that... (none / 0) (#60)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:12:35 PM EST
    ...there's a direct link to Clinton era policy and the melt down 8 years later?

    SS's  argument sounds like the gimpy bastard love child of Geekesque and Michelle Malkin's anti-clinton 2008 tryst.

    I would really like it to work out for Obama but if he's going to be be an orthodox economic right winger sitting on a Democratic majority in both houses what's the effing point?

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    If you don't see (none / 0) (#101)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:26:05 PM EST
    the link between growing deregualtion and the later meltdown then I don't know what to tell you- I don't link Clinton to the Meltdown in terms of things like the CRA, but rather through his full embrace of the Greenspan-Gramm "let the market correct and police itself" ideology- It obviously wasn't to the same degree as those on the right, but its really hard to argue that the free-market uber alles viewpoint wasn't driving the ship in the 90's.

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    If Clinton was President in the 2000's... (none / 0) (#117)
    by aeguy on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 07:12:57 PM EST
    You don't think he would have had the sense to  control the market with his economic team?

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    Exactly, (none / 0) (#119)
    by NYShooter on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 07:51:37 PM EST
    Clinton had the good sense to accelerate the economy when he did , and I trust, would have had the good sense to moderate, and tweak it once it was in motion.

    But some people have a myopic, and selective, memory & agenda, so be forewarned; SS has his #1 rating quiver ready,armed, and aimed.

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    No. (none / 0) (#123)
    by Romberry on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 08:32:32 PM EST
    His economic team was Greenspan, Rubin and Summers. Look at what they did (along with Arthur Levit, Jr.) to Brooksley Born when she tried to get a handle on CDS derivatives, rightly predicting that these things could blow up.

    Clinton willingly signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall, a depression era law which kept commercial banks and investment banking interests separate. (Citi needed it in order to become Citigroup...and Rubin of course made millions at Citi following his service to Clinton.) And then there was the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 that became law under Clinton and which effectively overrode laws in all fifty states against bucket shops (read "unregulated gambling against stocks and other securities), thereby making much of what went down these last eight years possible.

    Clinton and his advisers may have meant well, but they were <strike>infested by</strike> believers in Chicago-school economics ideas that are now close to 40 years old and which have been rejected by economists for some time. Apparently, that's a hazard of government, that being that old ideas get picked up and implemented after the people who originally came up with them already know that they are wrong.

    Anyway, I don't think the Clinton/Rubin/Summers team would have done much of anything to "control" the markets. Hell, they helped unleash the beast.

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    Well (none / 0) (#126)
    by Steve M on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 08:41:49 PM EST
    the CFMA was slipped into an omnibus spending bill at the last minute by Phil Gramm, during the closing weeks of the Clinton Administration.  Clinton signed the omnibus, but it's not like anyone could claim the CFMA was an agenda item of his administration, the way the repeal of Glass-Steagall was.  And of course, even if Clinton had been so fervently opposed to the CFMA that he vetoed the entire omnibus spending bill, it would have been trivial for the GOP to pass it under Bush a few months later.  So in terms of evaluating Clinton's culpability, I think the whole context needs to be laid out.

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    Yes, into the Omnibus... (none / 0) (#135)
    by Romberry on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 09:38:34 PM EST
    ...but what Gramm was after was supported by the same group that took down Brooksley Born. It was to unleash the markets. You don't think Dems could have maneuvered to get the CFMA stripped? I sure as hell do...and if they had wanted to, they would have.

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    Well sure (none / 0) (#136)
    by Steve M on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 09:42:39 PM EST
    Many of the most pernicious laws get enacted because there are a few well-heeled folks who strongly support them, and not really any organized opposition to speak of.  When Gramm proposed that amendment, I'd wager most Democrats reacted with "Huh?"

    But since the CFMA often gets wrapped up with Gramm-Leach-Bliley when it comes to reciting the sins of the Clinton Administration, I just wanted to add a little more context to the historical record.

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    Understood. (none / 0) (#138)
    by Romberry on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 09:46:50 PM EST
    NM.

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    CRA (none / 0) (#125)
    by cal1942 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 08:37:57 PM EST
    had nothing to do with the meltdown.

    But Clinton did sign the bill that killed the last of Glass-Steagall.  A veto would have been more appropriate.

    Over the past 30 years BOTH parties have drifted to the right in financial policy, the Republicans farther than the Democrats but the Democrats drited nonetheless.

    I don't think that Washington in general has really caught up with what's happened to the nation as a result of those policies.

    In the 20s the parties were very close regarding financial matters.  The difference was that in 1932 FDR was nominated and elected.  There were other Democratic contenders for the nomination who were little different than the Republicans of the day.

    So FDR was elected in 1932 and brought about significant systemic change.  In 2008 we elected Obama and have yet to see any systemic change, on the contrary, he seems dedicated to retaining a rotted system that even if rescued will only self destruct again.

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    Was the Gramm bill really that bad? (none / 0) (#129)
    by aeguy on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 08:51:32 PM EST
    The bill Clinton signed allowed Bank of America to acquire Merrill Lynch and JP Morgan Chase to acquire Bear Stearns which has in fact eased the crisis a bit. Although the bill allowed commercial banks to get into investment banking, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns (two independent firms despite the repeal of Glass-Steagall), failed anyways. Furthermore, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley have become bank holding companies that are now subject to GREATER federal regulation. Without that bill, these adjustments would have been harder. I think this problem is much more complicated than a simple regulation/deregulation question and using Glass-Steagall seems to be a case of the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy.  

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    Was the Gramm-CFMA bill really that bad? (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by Romberry on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 09:43:21 PM EST
    Yes. It was. And it is. It overrode state laws against unregulated gambling via bucket shops and removed any chance at all of oversight on things like the credit default swaps (including who could and couldn't buy them -- you don't need to own or otherwise have an insurable interest in the instruments you are betting against via CDS) which have been used (along with other derivatives) to lever up balance sheets into the stratosphere.

    This isn't post hoc, ergo propter hoc (after this, therefore because of) fallacy. This is just pure fact.

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    How can you know, (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by NYShooter on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 10:35:15 PM EST
    with such certitude, what Clinton would, or would not, have done had he remained in office? After being the primary conductor of the best decade in a generation, he suddenly lost his mind? We simply don't know what trepidations he may have had when he signed those bills. And, as another poster pointed out, those bills would have been enacted the minute Bush was inaugurated anyway.

    Now, if you have statements by Clinton since he left office, claiming he would have done it again, and with the benefit of hindsight, in the same way, well, I'd like to see them.

    And, as to  Rubin and Summers, Rubin tells us in his writings and interviews, that those relationships were the exact opposite of the relationship that Obama has with them. Clinton was a fast learner, and used them as advisors. He called the shots, which in my opinion, the current President does not.


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    Clinton was not the conductor. (none / 0) (#147)
    by Romberry on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 07:08:22 AM EST
    Sorry, but all of the glory of the Clinton years assumes a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. People say "We raised taxes on the rich, reined in spending and had a boom!", therefore the boom was because of those things. Well...no. You can't draw that direct causal relationship because there is no evidence for it.

    Clinton came to office just as the internet was taking off, the investments in information technology which had been promising productivity increases for years finally began to deliver and the dotcoms and tech companies began their stratospheric rise in Clinton's own bubble, pumping enormous sums into the federal coffers as people cashed in options and paid the taxes on their gains.

    Short version: The Big Dog was the recipient of much luck. His major accomplishment was basic competence and not doing anything that might truly screw things up in the short term. On the downside, Clinton also bought into the kind of free market ideology that is responsible for the shape we are in today. And no matter how relatively stable things were when he left office, much of the growth during his term was mere illusion -- witness the bursting dotcom bubble and the resulting recession -- and helped pave the way for where we are today.

    (No more post hoc ergo propter hoc, please.)

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    I don't (none / 0) (#140)
    by cal1942 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 10:16:36 PM EST
    believe I said that that bill was completely to blame.  By the way allowing commercial banks to become involved in investmant banking sure as hell didn't help.

    Regulatory retreat on the finance industry in general has been going on for three decades.

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    he better get out the way (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:15:21 PM EST
    or his posterior will get perforated.

    What makes Obama think (5.00 / 9) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:17:50 PM EST
    that attempting to distort information and attempting to subtly force people to distort their true feelings is healthy for anyone?  It is actually pretty sick!  I know why Bush did it.....he belongs to Americas ruling financial royalty and he is a bully.  He is now enjoying a bully's retirement too and I can always say I never voted for that slob.  I can't believe the guy I voted for is doing this to me.  If I lived with a man doing this to me a counselor would call him deceptive and abusive and tell me to leave the relationship or be a victim.....the choice is mine.

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:24:23 PM EST
    I've seen this behavior before. It was last summer with the Roe vs. Wade threast.

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    Who knows (none / 0) (#20)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:21:27 PM EST
    it could just be the post-Reagan Democratic consensus- I mean Al Gore of all people pushed NAFTA, seriously, look at the legitimate (no Kucinich then) contenders for the Democratic Nomination over the last two decades- is there a single person who wasn't a big friend of Wall Street- heck, Obama's a moderate-centrist and he's still further left in his treatment of the market and his budget than any president since Carter.

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    NAFTA remains good policy (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:34:38 PM EST
    and Obama will do the right thing and not mess with it.

    Our trade imbalances are with China and India and Japan. NAFTA is not the problem.

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    NAFTA (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:39:42 PM EST
    is good on a macroeconomic level but given its lack of labor and enviromental protections it all but invites manufacturing and industry to move out of the US (would be out of Canada as well but they have lower labor costs due to NHS eliminating a major labor expense).

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    emigration from (none / 0) (#46)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:46:53 PM EST
    Mexico was probably reduced 10 fold by freeing up trade with Mexico. It also lead to development in the US along US border that would never have otherwise happened.

    I tend to think it's a disgrace that America bordered a Third World State and made them jump through hoops to do simple business transactions that are common across borders in the EU.  You should spell out exactly what nation those businesses are supposedly relocating to...They ain't going to Mexico by any means.

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    No. (none / 0) (#116)
    by Romberry on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 07:12:01 PM EST
    NAFTA has not been of benefit to Mexico. Seriously. The rate of growth in Mexico post-NAFTA is below that of pre-NAFTA. And immigration from Mexico accelerated from the mid 90's onward...right up until the point that our economy began to collapse and many Mexicans here (being lowest on the totem pole and often without legal protections due to their immigration status) either went home or stopped trying to come in.

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    Emigration from Mexico (none / 0) (#127)
    by cal1942 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 08:44:32 PM EST
    has increased since NAFTA not decreased.  NAFTA has damaged Mexican farmers severely.

    I believe there is a chance to make NAFTA work in Mexico but Mexico's elite stand in the way.

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    And those are three nations... (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:51:48 PM EST
    ...that will do NOTHING approaching what America has done to obliterate its manufacturing sector.  That, to me, seems the deeper and more vexing problem.  

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    It's interesting how it's a universal... (none / 0) (#42)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:43:11 PM EST
    ...bad thing for America this NAFTA. The Canadians are probably getting ripped off by it. The Mexicans may have finally been able to lift themselves from Third World poverty to Second World respectability (it probably reduced even larger amounts of emigration too)...Yet everyone 'ignores' the pot of US dollars the Chinese have built up and loaned back to the US.  Simply amazing stuff.

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    Just to be pedantic, but Second world (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by tigercourse on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:45:59 PM EST
    would mean they are now a Communist nation.

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    I think it should be a resurrected term. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:48:03 PM EST
    Not quite Third World but not quite a member of the First.  

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    Damned with faint praise. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:24:06 PM EST
    yikes.  Carter started monetarism.

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    Obama (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:25:14 PM EST
    has an opportunity that none of the others had.

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    Puh-LEASE! (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by SeeEmDee on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:18:25 PM EST
    Look, then-Presidential candidate Obama met with a lot of the world's big-shot bankers back in June of last year. None of this should be news. It's kabuki, nothing more.

    Interesting article (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Steve M on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:19:22 PM EST
    This strikes me as one of those "pleasing tales" that Bob Somerby is talking about.  Like the insider accounts of Bush's war planning meetings where he's all like "Listen, Dick, Rummy, and everyone else, it's really important to me that we get the intelligence right!"  Uh huh.

    I'd like to believe that this meeting took place exactly as described by the Politico's anonymous sources.  But whether it's true or not, the results are the bottom line.  Assuming for the sake of argument that Obama really is trying to persuade the financial industry that they need to stop resisting the administration's efforts lest they end up on the business end of a pitchfork, the real question is whether he is willing to take the next step if they still refuse to go along.

    We don't really have all that much time to do the right thing here.  But I do think there's a kernel of truth in this story insofar as the financial industry seems remarkably unappreciative of what this administration has done to help them and what it continues to do.  By all rights, they should be kissing his you-know-what.

    I would have expected riots by now... (none / 0) (#21)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:22:54 PM EST
    ...from the extra million or so unemployed.  I'm surprized it never got to that point in 2008 when Bush was still around.

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    Wait until the weather gets hot (none / 0) (#34)
    by itscookin on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:31:33 PM EST
    and we can't afford air conditioning (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:33:16 PM EST
    By fall and early (none / 0) (#37)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:34:23 PM EST
    winter many of these millions of people will have run out of unemployment benefits and will still be without work. Those will be the riots with passion behind them.


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    Basically he can keep... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:20:55 PM EST
    ...African Americans quiet as long as he likes. Where they gonna go? If anything he keeps the poor and downtrodden and otherwise oppressed in a state of quiet.  he's exactly the political figurehead i'd put in place if I was going to loot  the working class with a tax wealth  transferal to banks and busting trade unions with renegotiated contracts. A coincidence? If so a wonderful blessing from heaven and 'fortuna'  for the financial sector.

    Well (none / 0) (#22)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:23:10 PM EST
    I think any Dem would do that though, I mean Clinton sold out the inner cities with Welfare Reform and cooptiing the "welfare Queen" meme and was largely beloved by African-Americans until he said some tone deaf stuff last year.

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    index linked average earning increases... (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:28:16 PM EST
    ...for AAs (first time for decades) mollified a lot of the rhetoric.  Also most people on welfare are white. Anyone who has looked at the stats knows this.  Also Clinton had to deal with a GOP majority in both houses.  The comparison just doesn't work.

    Obama has everything aligned in a way that should favour left wing policy--yet he's the financial sector's bum chum.

    Wake up!

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    Are you (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:26:21 PM EST
    agains Welfare Reform? Obama would've never been able to make it to the WH without that happening.


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    He probably wouldn't have (none / 0) (#29)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:28:15 PM EST
    but there's no way to argue that Welfare Reform was anything other than a center-right position, and it doesn't help anyone to re-write history and make it look like the previous Democratic president was somehow a champion of progressive values.

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    It was also passed by a GOP house. (5.00 / 4) (#39)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:34:46 PM EST
    No such  can even exist until 2011.

    You really have to stop justifing Obama's right wing tendencies by comparing them to a period when the Ds were defending like a desperate rearguard.  

    Obama has no political impediment here. No excuses.

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    Exactly! (none / 0) (#115)
    by vicndabx on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 06:53:31 PM EST
    n/t

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    I'm (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:39:09 PM EST
    not debating Clinton's stances I'm debating the fact that you happen to think that Welfare Reform was such a bad thing. I happen to think it was a good thing simply because it took a wedge issue away from the GOP. Welfare really didnt help a lot of the people who were on it either.

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    Wow (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:56:26 PM EST
    As someone who lived on welfare with my young mom for a stretch, I can say it most certainly did help us.  Most people on assitance or on it for a short time.  Legacies of dependency are certainly not positive things, but folks who are on welfare for their lives are nothing of a financial drain as compared to others of "higher" classes, as we are seeing with the trillion tossed into already fat wallets.

    Personally, taking a wedge issue away from the GOP is nice, but pales in comparison to the actual human beings affected, especially children, by reform that was nothing more than "see you later, hope you don't end up on the street or rob me later, phuck you, bye bye."

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    Interesting bits of analysis (none / 0) (#61)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:13:35 PM EST
    From HARPER'S INDEX, April 2009 issue

    Estimated amount by which the U.S. GDP increases for each additional dollar of tas cuts: $1.03

    Amount for each additional dollar of infrastructure spending and food stamps, respectively: $1.59, $1.73

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    tax cuts (none / 0) (#62)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:14:04 PM EST
    me moron.

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    Well (none / 0) (#84)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:10:48 PM EST
    the stance that s/he was making was towards a certain sector of the society. My stance has always been that welfare as a temporary thing is fine and the reform allowed for that. My ex sister in law was on it while she went back to school and enabled herself to later better support her family.

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    And (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:12:29 PM EST
    you're not going to find any sympathy from me for those people who've been sucking off the finacial system to the detriment of everybody else.

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    I'll put it this way (none / 0) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:03:08 PM EST
    That was part of the Welfare Reform Bubble.  They have screwed the general population so badly after making certain our only choice was to be their slaves that we will be spending the next ten years creating Welfare Form.

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    Well (5.00 / 6) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:21:25 PM EST
    Obama's not about policy. It's boring. Tiresome and something that is delegated to others to handle. You can't sell something when you don't believe in it yourself.

    This is how it is. Obama is not going to get any better. He's simply not interested in policy.

    okay bud (2.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:26:38 PM EST
    you think that, I mean sure you have no real evidence of your beliefs, and if anything counter-examples like his press conferences seem to undermine your case, but Obama doesn't like policy. Look, just because he disagree's with your policies doesn't mean the guy doesn't like policy in general, his strengths in terms of policy were always more on the foriegn policy end than economics, but he's basically adopted the policies of the last Democratic Administration in economics, and while retrospectively the Clinton fiscal policy of deregualtion and lowering interests rates seems disasterous, at the time it looked pretty good.

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    Obama explicitly stated during the (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by tigercourse on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:32:09 PM EST
    campaign that he was not interested in hands on issues and wanted to delegate the work to others. He's big picture, always has been, and the details of policy don't particularly interest him.

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    Those (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:43:32 PM EST
    are his own words I'm using. His press conferences, at least the few I've seen, don't really make the case for any policy. He says things like well if you believe X then I disagree. He never really explains WHY his policy should be implemented or HOW it is going to work.

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    It's not a good idea... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:30:57 PM EST
    ...to go bacjk to the 1990s to make that point.  There are enough stats, charts and graphs to suggest that Bush did in fact let things drift with housing prices and trade deficits in a way that Clinton's regulators never did.    Housing prices spiked in the 2000s not the 90s.

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    could it be more clear? (5.00 / 12) (#44)
    by Turkana on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:45:54 PM EST
    he sees himself as wall street's protector.

    Precisely (5.00 / 6) (#52)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:57:15 PM EST
    Sees himself in that role and is playing it by the script.

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    The article originally appeared in (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by scribe on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:55:26 PM EST
    American Banker.  I saw it noted like Tuesday.  It ran in the March 30 edition.  Search their site for the word "pitchforks".  Note that the shortcut I link to gives the text in context - but the whole article is behind a subscription wall.

    I guess it didn't make any impacton the public at large, so they (Rahm, present at the meeting)re-leaked it to Politico.

    I thought that having that message out there before Obama went to Europe and then nice video of UK protestors crashing through the big windows at the Royal Bank of Scotland was doubtless intended to shut up the Santellis of this world and, if so intended, had that effect.

    Guilty (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:01:31 PM EST
    So post an update, if only (5.00 / 6) (#57)
    by scribe on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:05:51 PM EST
    to jab a pointed stick in Politico's eye for being so slow on the news.

    I mean, when the President tells anyone "My administration is all that's between you and the pitchforks", that's something that ordinary journalists would have a field day with.

    If, of course, the journos weren't being told to STFU by their editors.

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    Will do (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:07:01 PM EST
    My Fantasy (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:40:34 PM EST
    Act I: Bankers are ethical and they can be trusted to fix the problem. They get handed a trillion dollars no strings attached.

    The masses line up with pitchforks screaming, greedy bast*rds rot in hell. What about us.

    Act II: Bankers act as greedily as ever. Lather themselves with enormous bonuses, new planes, party on like old times.

    Obama warns them that he is all that stands between them and the pitchforks, and reiterates that they are bound to do the right thing. They nod and go back to partying on like there is no tomorrow.

    Act III: Obama takes over the banks and all the bankers become civil servants, or lose their job.

    Moral of the story: Better to let the Bankers do your dirty work for you first, so that the cries of socialism are drowned out by cries of kill all bankers.

    Oh and about the question of where to get the money to take over the banks once the Bankers have gone through the first trillion?  Print another trillion or two.

    So much for fantasies..  

    I'd buy a ticket to this play (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:46:17 PM EST
    I'd even invite oculus and we would go to a wine tasting afterward.  I think it would be a great play.  I won't be putting any money into the market though until this play plays. Heh, Tenacious BTD has been at my feet all afternoon licking my toes.  We are even more bonded than we were before :)

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    Hmmm (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:01:52 PM EST
    There has got to be a part for BTD...  

    OK

    Act III scene ii: Bankers tell Obama to f'off, and at this point are having a champaign, caviar and lobster party on the lawn of the  largest mansion in the world that they just built.

    Enter BTD. He rounds them up and herds them offstage. Turns out that bankers are just like sheep when shown a few teeth and chased with loud barking.

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    This is a work of art (none / 0) (#79)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:03:46 PM EST
    lol (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:07:26 PM EST
    Yeah, now that your dog is the star, and hero who saves the day..

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    Hey, is there any leftover (none / 0) (#81)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:06:36 PM EST
    champagne, lobster, or caviar?  They can have the caviar.

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    Of Course (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:13:48 PM EST
    I forgot

    Act IV: The "people" put down their pitchforks, take over the mansion and party on like there is no tomorrow, gorging themselves on champaign, caviar and lobster. Turns out that the only real difference between the bankers and the people is how they hold their forks.  

    Oh, one other difference, the "people" invite the audience to join in.

     

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    Finally. Someone who appreciates (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:23:33 PM EST
    culture AND will meet me for a drink!

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    And will lick your toes. (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:53:49 PM EST
    Oh, sorry, you didn't mean the dog.

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    Hmmm (5.00 / 9) (#80)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:04:31 PM EST
    Is it really the president's job to protect Wall Street from the pitchforks?  Shouldn't the president instead be holding one of the pitchforks himself?

    He should be directly (5.00 / 9) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:08:07 PM EST
    and unflinchingly addressing the needs of those who have had to resort to pitchforks!

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    Obama in "American Gothic" (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:24:22 PM EST
    2 choices (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:37:04 PM EST
    Obama in American Gothic
    or
    Obama on a skewer.

    There is no place for his diplomatic neutrality.

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    Not here, not now! (none / 0) (#95)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:45:01 PM EST
    No people's pitchforks in DC or Wall street (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by DFLer on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 09:16:44 AM EST
    It's more like this

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    I suppose (5.00 / 3) (#86)
    by kmblue on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:12:57 PM EST
    we could try torches.

    Plus ça "change"... (5.00 / 6) (#96)
    by lambert on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:53:01 PM EST
    .... plus c'est la même chose.

    They've already got their trillions. And now, no pitchforks?  As He Who  May Not Be Named wrote:

    It's as if the president were determined to confirm the growing perception that he and his economic team are out of touch, that their economic vision is clouded by excessively close ties to Wall Street.
     


    I couldn't agree more with Donald (5.00 / 11) (#97)
    by lambert on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:01:39 PM EST
    Who writes:
    I
    I'm willing to trust both his sober judgment, until such time as he proves it to be flawed and untrustworthy.

    Unfortunately, Obama's judgment (and honesty) went by the boards when he voted to gut the Fourth Amendment and grant retroactive immunity to the telcos -- and then worked the phones for TARP, which threw another few hundred billion to the banksters with only Elizabeth Warren to provide transparency and accountability.

    But do continue with your fluffing!

    Memories (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:08:08 PM EST
    If only I could a get case of Alheimzers going earlier in my life than it has shown up in the rest of my family.....maybe then I could find happiness right now.

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    Gosh, so it turns out that (5.00 / 3) (#103)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:35:00 PM EST
    pols will be pols -- with the codicil, of course, that the more pol they are, the more pol they will be.

    And the principled will be principled.

    The time to figure out the difference, of course, and the extent to which a pol is a pol, is before going to the polls.

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    Yes. This. (5.00 / 6) (#111)
    by Romberry on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 06:19:07 PM EST
    FISA was a telling betrayal on what was a very clear promise. A lot of us knew that the jig was up well before that. Why? Cause we were apparently lunatics blinded by (take your pick) racism, hatred, Hillary worship (even if you supported a different candidate) or just utter inability to grasp the greatness of The One.

    I really do hope that Obama gets things right before the responsibility for this mess gets thrown on his doorstep with the resounding thud of a waterlogged Sunday edition of the NY Times. But I am not optimistic.

    If Obama doesn't get this right and pay attention to the needs of the masses that vote, we are gonna see a shift in power in congress in the midterms and all possibility of getting things right will then be foreclosed.

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    I will grant... (5.00 / 3) (#121)
    by Romberry on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 08:20:04 PM EST
    ...that Lambert's post would have been better without the "fluffing" line. But I don't think that you can let that lapse take away from Lambert's larger point (which is what I was rating when..uh...rating), that point being that perhaps Obama's judgment isn't all it's cracked up to be, that the promised accountability and transparency are sorely lacking to this point, and that it's hard to count on Obama to live up to even a very explicit, no-weasel words type of promise. (See FISA.)

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    Ditto. (5.00 / 3) (#128)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 08:50:54 PM EST
    And to Steve M.:  FISA is not a nyah nyah rallying cry.  It's at the core of our rights -- and it's about promises ("I'll fix it on Day One") not kept.  Serious concerns, but not-so-serious promises.

    Fix the economy, and we still have foregone rights without fixing FISA.

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    Exactly (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by lambert on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 09:07:30 PM EST
    FISA is a real issue, not some sort of counter in a political game.

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    Well (4.66 / 3) (#133)
    by Steve M on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 09:10:54 PM EST
    The war in Iraq wasn't nothing, either.  Like I said, any politician is going to disappoint you on something, and any politician who votes on major issues is going to disappoint you on something major.  Even the sainted Paul Wellstone voted for DOMA.

    You could look at my old posts and see that I was as upset about Obama's broken promise on FISA as anyone - and even more upset at the Obots who tried to advance absurd rationalizations for it.  But my point is, if we're still at the point that the reason someone doesn't trust Obama is the FISA vote, then the declaration of distrust is effectively meaningless.  They ought to distrust every politician who's disappointed us on anything major, which is to say every politician.

    And the larger point is, people are free to hold whatever opinion they like about Obama, but it's unproductive to run around going "Ha! FISA" in the face of anyone who makes the effort to judge Obama on his full body of work.  Lambert is a really smart guy, but at some point he got stuck on serving up nothing but red meat for the haters.

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    lol (none / 0) (#139)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 10:06:57 PM EST
    red meat for the haters

    That's kind of how politics work, isn't it. File that under: pandering.  

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    OK, I withdraw "fluffing"... (5.00 / 3) (#131)
    by lambert on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 09:06:32 PM EST
    Allow me to substitute, for "continue fluffing," "propagate determinedly optimistic scenarios," or, to make matters even more neutral, PDOSing.

    * * *

    I'm sorry Donald stopped reading my blog. But life goes on. the birds sing, there's kittens n stuff, so let's not let the discussion get sidetracked into personalia, shall we?

    As far as "affect anything politically":

    A.) If having the sort of "affect" Donald posits brings us results like FISA "reform" and TARP -- which I notice  Donald does not even bother to defend, no doubt because that's not possible -- then either (1) there is no such "affect", or (2) there is, and FISA and TARP exemplify progressive values. Given that the Obama adminstration is now consolidating the largest transfer of wealth in American history, all with no accountability and no transparency (see Elizabeth Warren's work) and not so much as a Congressional hearing, I'm opting for Door #1.

    B) However, I believe that what Donald says is simply false and on the level of political "affect", too. His reaction reminds me very much of the pearl-clutching that ensued when people like Atrios said "F*ck"! Oh, my goodness, what  a pother of weeping and wailing. Well, about three years down the pike, Atrios looked like a prophet and the discourse that he and thousands of other bloggers created was helping take down the Bush administration. Thank gawd Atrios said F*ck instead of playing wannabe insider baseball and playing 11-dimensional chess!  I believe that it will take a similar level of effort to shove the Overton Window left and bring the Obama administration anywhere near what the American people need from their government. Donald's mileage may vary and, in fact, does. Good luck to him.

    A word on Donald's peroration. He saves, I imagine, the most devestating riposte for last:


    You'll always find yourself on the outside, forever looking in.

    Yeah. And? Why would anybody imagine I want to be one of the Kewl Kidz?  Plenty of people don't.

    NOTE "Fluffing" is the term of art in the blogosphere for this sort of thing, however. Has been for years. Gets applied to pols and their supporters all the time. Why not now? Especially in this post-partisan era?

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    I just read the Moyer interview with Black (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 07:05:04 AM EST
    Ya know what, I had to dig under so many rocks to get the information that allowed me to understand that our major banks were utterly corrupt and insolvent, and then I would say something about it on the internet and folks like you would show up and eventually call me rude because I have zero taste for people who care for lies and liars more than integrity and truth.  Your desire for the American people to be played and lied to is what IS RUDE!

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    Lambert (none / 0) (#120)
    by kmblue on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 08:04:12 PM EST
    Lambert is not alone.  There are at least 8 people who agree with him.  

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    There are at least 8 people (3.60 / 5) (#122)
    by Steve M on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 08:23:00 PM EST
    who will agree with any criticism of Obama.  Heck, there are 8 people who will agree with anything.  But that doesn't change the fact that lambert's comment was unnecessarily rude and unproductive.

    "I knew Obama was an empty suit the minute he voted for FISA!" has the same sentence structure as "I knew Hillary was a neocon warmonger the minute she voted to authorize the war!" and both are equally tiresome to my ear.  I have yet to find the politician who has never taken a disappointing position, and I doubt I ever will.  Which is why the statute of limitations on declaring "FISA FISA FISA, nyah nyah you stupid obot" has long since run.


    Parent

    Here's the part of your comment: (5.00 / 3) (#124)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 08:36:26 PM EST
    Obama's painstakingly building his administration's policy directives to critical mass, inexorable and relentless in applying steadily growing pressure on the political fault lines. And the Republicans know that, and that's why they sound in full panic mode. If the Obama administration succeeds, it could well be a generation or more before a Republican occupies the White House again.

    that I just couldn't buy into.  That made me do a double-take and read it again to make sure I had read it correctly.

    If there's any pressure building on the fault lines, it's on Democratic fault lines, as we see not cohesion and unity of purpose among the Democratic caucus, but splintering that is helping to strengthen the Republican position; Evan Bayh and his Senate Blue Dogs are becoming the hair in what could otherwise be a fine soup.

    Republicans, on the other hand, are playing Obama to a fare-thee-well, having seen that the more they resist his efforts at bipartisanship, the more he gives in to them; Obama doesn't see that for every step he takes toward the GOP side of things, the GOP is not moving toward Democratic positions, but keeps drawing Obama farther over the line.

    Which is not to say that the GOP has it together - they don't - but they are using the cracks in the Democratic party to continue to exert control.

    The last thing Obama needs is slack; there's simply too much at stake to let go and trust that he knows what he's doing, or to let him forget what it is we want him to do.  He listens too closely to interests and ideas that are not going to move us to the better place he was supposed to be taking us.

    Yeah... (none / 0) (#134)
    by lambert on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 09:19:01 PM EST
    That was the part that seemed like flu--  propagating determinedly optimistic scenarios to me. Way too much overvaluation of a pol.

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    I'm wondering (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 07:30:12 AM EST
    if it's ever occurred to Obama that perhaps he could get run over by the masses with pitchforks on their way to the bankers and wall street.

    Did you see the Wapo article (none / 0) (#149)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 08:06:50 AM EST
    Atrios put up this morning?

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    I just did (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 09:03:34 AM EST
    after your post. Talk about making your blood boil. Obama apparently thinks we're all a bunch of chumps to be played.

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    Check out Glenn Greenwald (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Romberry on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 10:42:32 AM EST
    He ties it all together and has all the links:

    Greenwald: Larry Summers, Tim Geithner and Wall Street's ownership of government

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    The Politico account reads (4.85 / 7) (#28)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:26:58 PM EST
    more like theater than anything else; I mean, come on - plain water, no ice, no refills?  Ooooh, that will get those high-rollers every time.  And no photo?  Oh, the humanity!

    I'm sure America's fears that Obama is in the pocket of Wall Street will fade into the mist when they read how brave and stern their president is.  All that was missing was the iconic phrase, "And this time, I mean it!" which I think Democrats in office are required to have tattooed on their hind ends (choice of font and type size, more than two colors, extra).

    The only question I have is, does Obama know that there is nothing between him and the pitchforks?  Somehow, the only image that pops into my mind is of Obama leaping sideways when the pitchforks get too close to him and giving the orders for the bus to roll.


    Its Politico (none / 0) (#32)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:30:33 PM EST
    what do you expect, you'll find more honest and cogent analysis at Wonkette than you will at Politico I mean they had a freaking memo laying out story guidelines taht basically admitted that cheap surface reads and meaningless slanting in order to increase readers and links was theirrime objective.

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    Its funny. Youve got.. (3.50 / 2) (#154)
    by connecticut yankee on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 11:13:32 AM EST
    Right wingers crying because Obama is dismantling capitalism with heavy handed economic controls.  Then left wingers crying because Obama is maintaining the status quo and writing blank checks in exchange for nothing. Somebody is completely wrong.  

    But what's amusing to me is that in almost every particular we dont have the full information or the background variables that led to decision x or y.  The books havent been written yet.  

    But the mob, of either persuasion, holds up any and every report as the full gospel. It's the certainty they exhibit that gives me some pause.

    Obama (none / 0) (#3)
    by kmblue on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 01:59:23 PM EST
    would like Wall Street to believe that.
    I do not.

    No comment (none / 0) (#11)
    by Spamlet on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:11:50 PM EST
    This is old news, though maybe not to some.

    Telling. (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:59:05 PM EST
    As is the timing of that article -- about when the Dems reserved the U of Mississippi for the 2008 debate to mark the anniversary of Meredith's historic enrollment, according to a comment made by the campus PR person . . . another slip little noticed by the media.  There will be such a marvelous book on all this someday.

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    Hope you are taking notes (none / 0) (#112)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 06:25:43 PM EST
    There will be such a marvelous book on all this someday.

    and have the manuscript in preparation!

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    Aww. I've certainly taken a lot of notes (none / 0) (#130)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 08:58:03 PM EST
    and made a lot of bookmarks.  But we need a Teddy White a la The Making of the President.  I've heard presentations and read pieces in progress of a few books on the campaign, and they will be good, but fairly narrow in focus (i.e., the academic focus of each of the authors).   There are a couple of people I have in mind who could do this . . . but they may not want the grief of going after the Big O.  

    Nor do I; I'm amid a far different but safer book in progress.  And fun, such a fun book.  Or so I say now, on a break from it. . . .:-)

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    Nice article with some revealing grafs. (5.00 / 5) (#110)
    by Romberry on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 06:01:00 PM EST
    From that Harpers article:
    Obama sat with his arms and legs crossed, one foot tapping the air. Progressive candidates generally have a harder time raising money, he said, and at times some of them will "trim their sails" on behalf of the people who are financing them. "When I say that," he was hasty to add, "I want to make sure I'm not saying all the time. I'm just saying there are going to be points where donors have more access and are taken more into account than ordinary voters."

    ...

    It's not always clear what Obama's financial backers want, but it seems safe to conclude that his campaign contributors are not interested merely in clean government and political reform. And although Obama is by no means a mouthpiece for his funders, it appears that he's not entirely indifferent to their desires either.

    ...

    In one of his earliest votes, Obama joined a bloc of mostly conservative and moderate Senate Democrats who helped pass a G.O.P.-driven class-action "reform" bill. The bill had been long sought by a coalition of business groups and was lobbied for aggressively by financial firms, which constitute Obama's second biggest single bloc of donors.

    Although The Bond Market Association didn't lobby directly on the legislation, Williams took note of Obama's vote. "He's a Democrat, and some people thought he'd do whatever the trial lawyers wanted, but he didn't do that," he said. "That's a testament to his character."


    A testament to his character? Maybe. But perhaps not the kind of testament that people who are having their pockets picked by the 'Masters of the Universe' would regard in a positive manner.

    Hope and change! Hope and change!

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    I always understood "hope and change" (none / 0) (#113)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 06:43:25 PM EST
    to be simply code for electing an African American president--not that there's anything at all wrong with electing an African American president!--and that Obama very consciously pitched himself in those coded terms to young and/or elite white voters ("Wow, we nominated the black guy," C. Bowers, 5/9/2008).

    I applaud the change embodied in the election of our first African American president, as well as the hope his election has given to African Americans in all walks of life. That makes me profoundly happy. And I support Obama as my president--we could do and certainly have done far worse. But "hope and change"? What else was he talking about, seriously?

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    Hey (none / 0) (#50)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:55:56 PM EST
    Taylor Marsh said this a "delicious quote of the day."

    ;)

    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 02:58:41 PM EST
    Taylor Marsh, that astute political analyst.

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    Taylor Marsh (none / 0) (#102)
    by Fabian on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:34:53 PM EST
    also quoted Cramer in the comments.  "FWIW" was appended, but I'm suspicious of anyone who gives Cramer any credence or air time.

    Taylor Marsh: a casualty of the Democratic primaries.

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    Taylor is great when it comes to foreign policy (none / 0) (#65)
    by iceblinkjm on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:28:47 PM EST
    and other issues but she does not wade into the economic enough to really give an informed opinion. Heck I only have the barest understanding of what I am reading when it comes to economics.

    Taylor isn't the problem with her blog... (none / 0) (#67)
    by JoeCHI on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:41:05 PM EST
    ...it's the mindless Obots who infest her comment section, eschewing substance in favor of knee-jerk ad hominem attacks on anyone (Krugman, BTD, Open Left, et. al.) who dares to question "The One".

    It's a shame, really.  It used to be such a worthwhile place to hang.

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    I used to like it (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:27:24 PM EST
    then she turned into an Obot - "The One can do no wrong" type of place.

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    she was too close to Clinton. (none / 0) (#75)
    by Salo on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 03:53:04 PM EST
    she could have taken a step back.

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    Why? She supported who she chose and did a bang up (5.00 / 7) (#91)
    by iceblinkjm on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:29:17 PM EST
    job doing so. Only the obots had an issue with folks choosing someone other than Obama. It's all water under the bridge but I do have to say that during the primary I found most Obama supporters to be the least informed on any given topic and that still has not changed.

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    Taylor is great... (none / 0) (#99)
    by JoeCHI on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:16:13 PM EST
    ...and she can do what she wants to with her blog.

    That said, the people in her comment section undermine the blog's traffic and, ultimately, her success.

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    She was one of the 10% or so (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Pacific John on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:35:34 PM EST
    ... on the Internet who supported Clinton. Her problem showed up when she seemed to abandon her principles on issues to support Obama, for no good reason. It's not like Obama needed more slobbering support on the net.

    Marsh was so heavily abused circa the NV caucuses by the Obama noise machine, it was more than a little unseemly that she joined her abusers.

    She could have done what Jeralyn did, with pragmatic support for the nominee, or she could have done what Goldberry and Alegre did, and stuck with Clinton wing issues.

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    I still am not over the primary debacle. (5.00 / 2) (#155)
    by AX10 on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 09:33:42 PM EST
    I feel much differently about the Democratic party.
    I also feel no alliance towards the "progressives" who are nothing more than a cult of personality that follow Obama around like groupies.
    I still listen to Thom Hartmann, as he is fair and unlike Miller and Rhodes, did not go to war against Hillary.  I am pleased to see that Ms. Rhodes is no longer polluting the airwaves.

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    Bingo. I don't think she's recovered quiet yet. (none / 0) (#114)
    by iceblinkjm on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 06:48:58 PM EST
    She's getting there though. I really do like her. She shoots it straight up. What hurt her was letting the obots come on board and slander and slime many of her long term readers. Featuring that awful Yes To Democracy women was a last straw for a lot of people. I found her to be quite nasty and snarky.

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    Obama (none / 0) (#93)
    by Lil on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 04:42:51 PM EST
    seems to relish the mediator role.

    Yeh, I feel facilitated (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 05:57:22 PM EST
    They're not mediators anymore.  Mediators don't make as much money as "facilitators."  :-)

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    Pitchforks to Obama: (none / 0) (#144)
    by FreakyBeaky on Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 11:50:27 PM EST
    Dude, get out of the way!

    (Gotta have some pitchforks or the line ain't credible.)

    Well it is. (none / 0) (#151)
    by jussumbody on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 09:16:38 AM EST
    "Obama seems to believe that constraining public anger is necessary for his agenda."

    Who said his real agenda is what he says it is?  He's just playing the bad cop (to the bankers) and Geithner is the good cop, and the bankers are squealing like they're the ones getting screwed and not doing the screwing.  It's all for show.