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Friday Open Thread: Kidnapped and Held for Ransom

.... maybe you were kidnapped,
Tied-up, taken away, and held for ransom

That's me today only thankfully, unlike Captain Phillips, I'm imprisoned only by motions and tax return deadlines.

Anyone remember Grand Funk Railroad and "I'm Your Captain"? A better version is available here. (link got truncated, now fixed.)

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    When I was 17 I knew beyond any doubt (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Edger on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:30:03 PM EST
    that "I'm Your Captain" was the best piece of music ever written and played. After "Are You Experienced", of course. ;-)

    what changed your mind? (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:36:06 PM EST
    Im still there.

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    Nothing did. (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Edger on Sat Apr 11, 2009 at 09:13:46 AM EST
    I'm nearly 60 and now I know that at 17 I was mostly right, dammit! ;-)

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    I'm with you guys. (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by Mikeb302000 on Sat Apr 11, 2009 at 11:39:24 AM EST
    I turned 17 in 1970.  About 5 years ago I started listening to the old music again.  Then it became a major hobby to try and re-acquire as much of it as I could. Some music, including Grand Funk's albums, I hadn't heard in 30 years but my brain practically lit up with recognition when I did. Now I listen to it all regularly again and am richer for it.  

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    Was never fortunate enough to see (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by easilydistracted on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:38:29 PM EST
    GFR in concert. Saw Hendrix in KC MO when I was 16. Second concert I'd been to (first was the Association, Neal Diamond was the "warm-up" band). Ah those were the days.

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    Tidbits from Texas (none / 0) (#1)
    by easilydistracted on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 12:44:42 PM EST
    From today's edition of the Fort Worth Star Telegram.

    Every session, somebody in the Texas Legislature says something so phenomenally stupid, America takes note.

    This session, that task has fallen Rep. Betty Brown, a Terrell Republican, who came from her East Texas ranch to tell a Chinese-American lawyer at a "voter ID" hearing that if Asian-Americans can't get accurate IDs, they should pick new names "easier for Americans to deal with."

    Three other tidbits, like the one above, here.

    The stars may be bright... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 03:00:03 PM EST
    but the legislators ain't.

    Things are tough all over, my state legislature is dreaming up a way to tax my brown bag lunch as we speak.

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    Terrell was the (none / 0) (#54)
    by JamesTX on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 04:08:23 PM EST
    town where they refused to report the Obama victory in the local newspaper.

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    wow! n/t (none / 0) (#101)
    by DFLer on Sat Apr 11, 2009 at 09:27:34 AM EST
    Dr. Laura now deems gay marriage (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 12:56:14 PM EST
    a good thing.  Yes, change is coming.

    Women on the Web

    wow (none / 0) (#5)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:12:56 PM EST
    that would be a change of heart I would say.
    did she get some new sponsors or what?


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    I'm thinking maybe her "perfect" son (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:14:09 PM EST
    is gay?  Pure speculation on my part.

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    I think it's an open secret (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:28:02 PM EST
    But who knows whether that has anything to do with it.

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    Lure of Grandchildren (none / 0) (#15)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:32:16 PM EST
    Who are not considered bast*rds, may be on the table. Even the nastiest hard core haters (read Cheney) soften up when the get the whiff of descendants in the air.

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    if so (none / 0) (#13)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:29:06 PM EST
    I would only need all the men at Concerned Women for America to discover a gay son and I would decide there is, in fact, a god.


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    as far as change coming (none / 0) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:34:20 PM EST
    I dunno.  I think a backlash might be coming though I have not seen it yet.  which may not mean much considering this is not an election year.  we have that wonderful "ad" floating around and there is this:

    Gay Marriage: Killing the Republic

    You say letting gays get married will promote stable relationships and safe sex? As if. . . .  The concept of gay monogamy is fiction.

    ---

    there is going to be a very large market for ideas like these this summer I suspect.

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    Will the Cal. Supremes be swayed (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:37:17 PM EST
    by Dr. Laura's change of heart?  

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    its scary to admit (none / 0) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:50:11 PM EST
    that I hope they are that lame.

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    That's funny! (none / 0) (#26)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:13:09 PM EST
    The concept of straight monogamy is also a myth, for crying out loud.  Now what?

    If that's the best the opposition can do, there won't be any "backlash."

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    I hope you are right (none / 0) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:18:48 PM EST
    that piece was linked to from all over though.
    also I think you are attributing things like logic and reasoned thought to those who would oppose it.
    that may be generous.


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    Wanna see (none / 0) (#3)
    by JamesTX on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    something...strange?

    Mark Farner---I'm You're Captain

    Please compare and contrast (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:13:08 PM EST
    Farner's rendition w/that of Grand Funk Railroad.  This is a serious request.  I listened to part of each version; am not literate in rock and roll music.  Thanks.

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    Farner was (none / 0) (#16)
    by JamesTX on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:34:14 PM EST
    the lead guitarist/singer for Grand Funk Railroad and he is the young, shirtless, long-haired character in the first video. The one I posted is, well, a little more recent.

    My understanding is that GFR has actually been reconstituted and is actually producing music, but Farner left them years ago.

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    Ah. Thanks. Same hair do. (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:37:59 PM EST
    This is even (none / 0) (#27)
    by JamesTX on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:16:15 PM EST
    and, as of lately (none / 0) (#31)
    by JamesTX on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:30:55 PM EST
    Both Mr. Farner and his fans (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:41:17 PM EST
    seem to have aged a bit.  

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    Yes, (none / 0) (#42)
    by JamesTX on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 03:04:06 PM EST
    It's some of those predictable changes over time!

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    speaking of strange (none / 0) (#44)
    by Bemused on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 03:10:59 PM EST
    remember this:

    Inside cover WAAB

     

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    I forgot about ! (none / 0) (#53)
    by JamesTX on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 04:05:26 PM EST
    that. How bizarre...?

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    I hate meeces to pieces! (none / 0) (#4)
    by sj on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 12:59:47 PM EST
    How did those mice get into my building?  We didn't have any last year.  Now I have to get traps and everything.  And I really, really hate that.  

    Unfortunately, I have no cat, and my dogs are remarkably unmoved by the situation.

    Pain in the neck (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:19:25 PM EST
    I live in the country, and there's no escaping mice, even with three cats patrolling the house.  I get 'em from time to time year round, but the worst is in early winter when the real cold first comes and the mice just flood in.

    Snap traps are the quickest, most "humane" way of killing them (unless you're inclined to go with live traps and then take them outside and let them go, which I don't recommend), and there are inexpensive plastic ones now on the market that make it possible to dispose of the remains without having to actually touch them, so you can reuse the trap rather than throwing it away with the corpse.  The spring eventually wears out, but they're good for quite a few snaps before that happens.

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    Snap Traps (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by daring grace on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 03:19:21 PM EST
    I have almost always lived with cats as an adult and I've found that they have their own individual mousing abilities as in cool assassin to tentative wimpy. I had one cat who knew how to catch mice outside and would proudly bring them home and then set them free in the house where they would scamper down the nearest crevice or old plumbing opening.

    My female cats seem the better killers who dispatch with relish and sometimes quite a bit of flair: My cat Harriet used to leave us her trophies in the bathtub: the uneaten head, feet, and tail. I used to tell my husband she expected us to build tiny, little wooden trophy displays and mount the remains on them to be hung on the wall by her bed.

    I agree with you about the snap traps except I went through one season where two or three mice managed to get caught non lethally by the leg. This leads to ghastly high pitched squealing and the sound of struggles as the mouse drags himself (and the trap) as best as he can.

    My husband handled this wisely, filling a bucket with water and throwing the trap and mouse in. My first experience with it, I'm embarrassed to say, I tried what I somehow thought of as the more humane route of carrying the trap downstairs to our shop to release the mouse outside the door. Silly me. Using some kind of stick to lift the trap off the mouse, what did I think he would do? Race away into the great outdoors?

    The next day I told the people who worked for us if he they saw a crippled rodent wandering around the work place, they could thank me.

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    high pitched squealing (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by sj on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 04:35:07 PM EST
    My sister once used that sticky pad type of mouse trap.  Caught the mouse right away, but she says she can still hear that sound when she thinks about it.  Yup, snap trap is the way to go.  No way I can go all zen and non-harm.  I'll just have to feel guilty.

    And I really hate it.  Hopefully it can be dealt with quickly.

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    A Friend's Dog (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by daring grace on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 04:51:20 PM EST
    came along and apparently sniffed  the sticky trap which ended up with the dog racing through the house with the dead mouse stuck to his nose with my friend in frantic pursuit screaming at her house full of teenagers none of whom (eeew, Mom!) would help her.

    I never realized how many rodent stories I have.

    Must be that I live in a town that, in the 1950s, enjoyed world renown for its innovative urban pest control. Truly. They came from the world over to consult with our experts. Briefly, my polling place was the former hdqtrs of the gov't. agency for this and my former husband never missed a chance to tell people we were going to vote at the 'Rat Building'.

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    I tried live trapping (none / 0) (#105)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Apr 11, 2009 at 09:06:07 PM EST
    initially, but then I realized I was doing the mice no kindness when I let them out in sub-freezing cold sopping wet from their own urine contained in the trap and shivering violently.

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    Or worse (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Apr 11, 2009 at 09:03:46 PM EST
    snap down on the ear.  That happened to me once, and I almost got sick to my stomach.  The poor mouse managed to drag himself and the trap halfway across the house before expiring from pure stress (which apparently they do).  The hard plastic trap had big chew marks on it, too.  Awful, horrible, major, major guilt-inducing.

    But I also learned how to place the traps so that hasn't happened since.  The opening has to be right at the place the mice come into the house so it's the first thing they see/smell.

    Glue traps should be flat-out banned, I think.  The farmers around here use them extensively because they simply don't have time to keep going around and checking all the traps, disposing of the corpses and resetting them.  But it's a horrible thing to do to any creature.  I don't even like doing it to flies.

    My 6-yo neutered male cat is the champeen mouser of my household.  Since I live in the country, all three cats go out, and I see Marco three or four times a day racing back toward the house from the weedy places with his prize, which he more often than not drops at the feet of my 2-yo, less adventurous neutered female, and she prances around with it joyfully as if she'd caught it herself.

    I DO NOT let the cats come and go precisely because of the mouse corpse, or wounded mouse, problem.  I demand to see if they're carrying before I let them in for the night.  I still occasionally find headless corpses on my bedroom rug in the morning, or corpse-less heads, from the inside mice they catch.

    And then there are the mouse-fur hairballs...


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    Any new construction around you? (none / 0) (#9)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:14:54 PM EST
    Only time we ever had mice in the building was when they dug up a lot behind us. They avoided the top (my) floor though. We think it had something to do with my pack o'cats  ;)

    My dog would be inclined to invite the mice in to play. She likes little critters . . . .

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    No new construction (none / 0) (#32)
    by sj on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:31:16 PM EST
    Just lovely, 100 year old, Baltimore brick townhomes.  I was really happy last year to have found a place without vermin (except for the rats that frequent the alleys.  Ugh.  My Colorado sensibilities will never reach the casual acceptance of my east coast/harbor town friends).

    But even without construction, something changed.  I'm thinking it was the installation of the security cameras that required internal to external wiring via the basement.  I don't think that was sealed soon enough.

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    I agree with CC, it prob was something (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 03:44:54 PM EST
    disturbed in the basement. When they dug up the lot they removed building remains below ground. Everything around here is also 100+ yrs old with basements. Unless someone dies and the family sells or there's a fire, the blocks close to me aren't changing much. The rest of the 'hood is though :(

    I'll never get used to the rats and water bugs. Just. not. gonna. happen. {shudder} at least the cats will dispatch the water bugs. And they pretty much have it on command, lol!~ I can even get them to "take it away" to the other end of the apt.

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    Are your water bugs (none / 0) (#51)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 03:50:58 PM EST
    the same as what we call millipedes, also endemic in old houses near the lake here?  When we first moved in this house, when it was a wreck, we were overrun with them -- and I already had a horror of them from the rental where I had lived nearby that had millipedes half a foot long in the basement.  I went down to do the laundry with a baseball bat!

    Bugs have so many different names around the country, as I found out when discovering the euphemisms in the South for what we call cockroaches.

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    These are about 2.5-3" roach looking (none / 0) (#55)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 04:10:45 PM EST
    bugs. It used to be believed they only flew down, but we had that myth busted one day at the shelter. Boy did those bugs clear the place!!!

    I had one "jump" down on me while in the shower. Seriously wrecked my back trying to get away from it. . . .

    And to think I used to pick up taranchulas and snakes as a kid and thought nothing of it, lol!~

    I use a broom vs a baseball bat. Longer reach {grin} Millipedes, eh? That would be a no thanks! My mom found what looked like a scorpion at the cabin. I'm hoping that was a one time fluke and I never have to see one again. I prefer the water bugs over those. I know that cats won't get hurt with water bugs, as disgusting as they are.

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    You all are seriously creeping me out... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 04:28:29 PM EST
    especially the bug-in-the-shower story, which brought the shower scene from "Psycho" to mind {shivers and shudders}.

    Will never forget going to the Smithsonian with my younger daughter's class and the guide putting a huge Madagascar hissing cockroach in her hand, to my daughter's utter delight - she grinned from ear-to-ear as it walked up her arm; I'm sure I had a poorly-disguised look of horror on my face as I attempted to agree with her that "yes, that IS really cool!"

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    I would have running screaming (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 04:36:17 PM EST
    from the Smithsonian. I was actually surprised I'm so afraid of the darn things. The worst part is that they are hard as heck to kill. You have to really smash them, which of course is hard if you can't get near them.

    Then there was the time one of my kitties brought one to bed . . .  lol!~ never throw the blanket off you. You lose track of the suckers . . . . and scares the crap out of your kitty who goes flying through the air also.

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    Waterbugs (none / 0) (#56)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 04:12:10 PM EST
    We have them too. They are quite different from millipedes and cockroaches. They spawn in water. Large black and much slower than roaches. This site is great for identifying bugs.

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    Raised in the south in Fla. (none / 0) (#68)
    by Amiss on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 05:23:16 PM EST
    What we always called waterbugs were roach type bugs that were paler and smaller than a cockroach that hung around kitchens and baths, thus the name water bug.

    Here in Florida, we have many many types of "roaches" or bugs, more different types since the end of the Viet Nam war and the influx of the refugees. Those suckers fly all over the outdoors and love azaleas!

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    I once inadvertently brought back (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 05:51:07 PM EST
    a palmetto bug from Gulf Coast of FL.  Quite a shocker trying to put on that shoe!  

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    Tickle those tootsies? (none / 0) (#73)
    by Amiss on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 05:55:50 PM EST
    They love them some palmetto palms, they do.

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    smaller than a cockroach? (none / 0) (#74)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:13:41 PM EST
    How big are they down there? The roaches in CA were decidedly tame and small compared to the suckers that show up here. I thought nothing of them. I lived in one place where they torn down a building and we became invested. They liked my bathroom, so I turned on my light before entering, waited a bit and they had all scrambled for cover by the time I went in {grin}. Ants were more annoying, and I was/am allergic to red ones, so a bit scarier.

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    How big? (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:29:22 PM EST
    In South Florida the cockroaches that take flight look to be about the size of a small ultralight as you dive for cover when they fly by. Of course they do always seem to be more common during republican presidencies so perhaps they are cockroach drones.

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    I'm guessing I was lucky (none / 0) (#81)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:34:55 PM EST
    I didn't see any when I used to go down and stay on photo shoots!

    I can't believe I'm such a freak about the big ones, but glad to hear y'all dive for cover also! {grin}

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    In Oklahoma, a "palmetto bug" (none / 0) (#82)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:38:40 PM EST
    I encountered in my room was several inches long -- enormous.  And on the seventh floor!  I was freeked, and I did not sleep well that night.

    And when I reported it as a cockroach, I was corrected.  Oklahoma, I was told, does not have cockroaches.  It has, uh, "palmetto bugs."

    Btw, in a college science lab, I have seen cockroaches even larger.  I nearly lost my lunch.

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    We're just coming into season here (none / 0) (#91)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 07:47:54 PM EST
    they show up in the winter also, but humid/rainy days when it's warm out . . .  {shudder} they love to visit and freak me out! I had one crawl across my hand when I was working on the computer one day. Bad enough to see them above my head on the walls, but when they touch me . . . .

    Lordy, I can't WAIT until I live in an area they don't exist in!!!!

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    Yes, down here the palmetto bugs and the asian (none / 0) (#96)
    by Amiss on Sat Apr 11, 2009 at 12:50:26 AM EST
    flying roaches are of a fairly large variety. Nothing to sneeze at for sure.

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    Asian flying roaches?! (none / 0) (#97)
    by nycstray on Sat Apr 11, 2009 at 01:02:44 AM EST
    OY!

    Are they similar to the palmetto bugs? I'm serious when I said everyone said they didn't fly up, but only down. Now that has been reversed (in the past few years) because more of us have had the "fly up" experience. The flying aspect really matters when you are trying to deal with them . . . my cats think it's cool though . . . . me, oh not so much!!!

    Lordy, I was happy I was moving before next winter as I'm getting a tad tired of ice, but now that palmetto bug season is getting in gear . . . just thinking about it makes me want to move even sooner! I. really. hate. the. d@mn. things!

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    Palmetto Bugs (none / 0) (#87)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 07:07:14 PM EST
    In NYC look just like the small brown roaches except they are on average 2 inches long. They are super fast, unlike waterbugs or water beetles.

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    But are they roaches? (none / 0) (#89)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 07:42:36 PM EST
    I always get corrected and told they are water bugs, but I'm talking about the same bug as you.

    I took pics of some of the big ones in my apt (thank dog for long lenses!) and sent one to my mom so she would realize I wasn't being a wimp, lol!~

    Have you ever seen a baby one? The smallest I have ever seen has been close to 2". I'm convinced they are born "big". I've been here close to 20yrs and have never seen a "little" one in any of my apts.

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    Yes They're Roaches (none / 0) (#90)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 07:45:34 PM EST
    And maybe I underestimated the size, 2.5 - 3.5 inches avg.

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    Thanks! (none / 0) (#92)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 07:57:16 PM EST
    I did find a way to kill the ones in my bathtub (they LOVE my bathtub!) Orange oven cleaner. I had a can of it back in my cupboard from years ago. I needed to take a shower and I had a particularly large one in the tub. Nothing to kill it with and the cats were just batting it around. So I frantically tried my cleaning stuff (vinegar etc, not helpful!) and found the can of oven cleaner from a past life in the back of a cupboard. It foams up over the bug and stops it from moving around and in about 5 minutes the sucker is dead. The wall ones, I still use the broom for (broom has solid casing at the top) and do the smash and sweep. Anything that's in the range for the cats, I call them :) They are VERY good at getting the bug and then playing a rousing round of Death Soccer between the 5 of them :)

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    or maybe I'm grasping at straws for an explanation (none / 0) (#33)
    by sj on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:32:09 PM EST
    Could have been the installation (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:41:18 PM EST
    in the basement, dislodging or just disrupting a mouse nest.  It wasn't new construction that caused a similar infestation for us and others in our neighborhood (also of 100-year-old houses) a couple of years ago.  All it took was that one of those old houses lost its owner, one of those legendary old ladies who never threw away a thing for years.  Her heirs had workers clearing out the basement, for starters -- and that was enough to send mice out and about looking for other basements without human infestation of those pesky workers picking up the place.  We all had quite a time for a while, catching the critters.  You do want them caught, though, before they come upstairs and into your cupboards looking for food . . . and leaving reminders in it.  These are disease carriers, sj.

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    I know they are (none / 0) (#40)
    by sj on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:52:31 PM EST
    And I have a little bag with some traps to set up this weekend.

    What is alarming is that they already have come upstairs.  I live on the second floor.  They haven't found their way into the cupboards (probably because they're new and well installed) but they're hanging around the stove and the refrigerator.

    Lots to love in Baltimore, but the vermin? Not so much.  

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    And they can get into the teeniest, (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 03:23:21 PM EST
    tiniest spaces, so even when things seem well-sealed, mice still seem to find their way in.

    When we first moved into our house in the country, we got the humane traps - the catch and release kind - but after we decided they were probably back in the house before we were, after being released, we gave up on that strategy.

    We do get them when the first cold snap hits in the fall, but the combination of three cats, the hawk that took up residence in our woods, and the owls I can hear hooting at night, seems to have made a big difference.  

    In an urban environment, you are at a disadvantage because of the lack of natural predators - and you also are at a disadvantage because you share a structure with others whose living space might be more conducive to letting them get a foothold.

    I feel your pain, and hope things get resolved soon...

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    The feral cats roaming through my (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 03:28:16 PM EST
    yard seem to do a good job of keeping mice out of the house and garage.

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    We also have plenty of ferals (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 03:37:04 PM EST
    there was a piece on the news the other night about neighborhoods doing TNR and how it was good for keeping the critter population down. It was kinda funny because feral cats generally don't get "positive" news time.

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    We miss the feral cats (none / 0) (#66)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 05:13:53 PM EST
    that used to fill our neighborhood -- they were quite the characters, coming up on our porch to taunt, through the windows, our housebound cats.

    But then our neighborhood got a very feral hawk, one that looks quite well-fed.

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    GOP RIP (none / 0) (#8)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:14:27 PM EST
    Is your link a record for length? (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:20:38 PM EST
    Impressive.  

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    I couldnt decide where to edit it. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:23:10 PM EST
    its all good.

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    So why do (none / 0) (#22)
    by Wile ECoyote on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:41:07 PM EST
    I think of Lenin laying there and international socialism?

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    President Obama recommends (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 01:59:36 PM EST
    refinancing now.  My CPA says wait a bit.  What to do?

    He recommended (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Wile ECoyote on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:34:19 PM EST
    an oil change on my GM this morning.  

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    Bet every disposable... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:33:58 PM EST
    dollar on the Padres to win the West at nice odds, if you hit pay it off in cash, if you lose it was the most enthralling season ever.

    At least thats what I would do:)

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    I dissed the Pads too soon. Yes, they (none / 0) (#38)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:42:41 PM EST
    lost to Dodgers 4 to 1 on opening day.  But they split the series.  Go Pads.

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    Ya Gotta Believe... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:48:48 PM EST
    stranger things have happened.

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    Ya Gotta Believe? (none / 0) (#58)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 04:17:45 PM EST
    Are we channeling Tug McGraw?

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    Always... (none / 0) (#103)
    by kdog on Sat Apr 11, 2009 at 02:32:55 PM EST
    I bleed blue and orange:)

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    Which of the two do you (none / 0) (#52)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 03:51:57 PM EST
    1. trust most with a financial decision?

    2. think is closer to knowledgeable?

    Unless Obama knows something your CPA doesn't, I'd go with my gut instinct and do what feels right for your circumstances.

    Somehow, though, this instruction feels like billions more in closing costs into the pockets of the bankers is the goal.


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    I was wondering where the catch was (none / 0) (#57)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 04:13:24 PM EST
    renter here, so don't know much about refinancing, but was wondering what the downside for the HO/upside for bankers would be.

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    We locked in last week on a refi rate (none / 0) (#64)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 05:09:26 PM EST
    even lower than the one that brought us in the door.  I didn't know that my preznint told us to do so.  I know what I know from refi'ing before, from watching rates for years -- and especially in recent weeks.  The rate that brought us in the door of our bank was a full point below the one we had (already refi'd a few years ago), as the costs would not be worth it unless a full point below.

    Then, after looking over our location, our credit rating, and more, our banker (for other accounts; we're moving our mortgage from another that was bought by a big national outfit so started cutting service while adding fees) offered us an even lower rate -- one that I could not have imagined, as it is about a third of the rate for my first mortgage a few decades ago.

    So we locked in and now look forward to finding out just what the appraisal will be, with all the stories of declining value.  If ours declined below the city assessment, I'll have that ammo to appeal that and lower our property taxes, too.

    And the rates have gone back up again since last week.  So we did well, I think, no matter what the preznint or CPAs say.  Every situation is local and individual -- including that my workload now only increases for months ahead, and if we were going to go through this, it had to be now or not until who knows when. :-)  

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    CPA sd. to wait until 4.75 is offered. (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 05:14:30 PM EST
    I suggested to the bank guy:  won't need a new appraisal, as old one is less than a year old.  He sd.:  no dice!  

    You done good.  

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    Well, we went to the bank for a 4.625 (none / 0) (#75)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:24:51 PM EST
    and were offered a 4.5.  On a 15-year mortgage.  So you can bet we weren't going to wait around!  That first mortgage, decades ago, was almost at 12. . . .

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    That very number was highlighted (none / 0) (#94)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 09:06:10 PM EST
    this morning as the current rates in my area.

    This refi instruction just brought back memories of another President's instructions to the people to just "go shopping".

    Sadly, I believe millions of people will race to the banks to do just what they've been told. There won't be a second round for the people.

    The guy on the news here gave several guidelines, which I thought were sound. First, know your costs of refinancing and figure out how many months of your new mortgage payment savings it takes to make up the expense. Second, you need to know if adding years worth of payments to your existing loan is the wisest move.

    Everyone needs to calculate the pros and cons for their own situation.  

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    Exactly the right advice (none / 0) (#95)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 09:53:42 PM EST
    to calculate the monthly savings -- plus the closing costs -- and to count the months/years left.  We had a 15-year with 5 years to go and went with another 15-year, just in case we can't keep accelerating payments.  But we hope to do so and be able to retire it in 10 years or less, as before.

    And I had used an online calculator to work it all out at different rates and years and write it all down before we went, because it can be confusing to do so amid all of the info and paperwork.  And I took along a calculator, in case, which came in handy when we were quoted the even lower rate.  Our banker and I were calculating and comparing away.:-)

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    Thanks! (none / 0) (#77)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:29:02 PM EST
    I can see doing it to save, and if the closing costs aren't outta whack. My parents did refi once or twice over the many years of my life. But they're all payed off, I think the cabin I'm moving into may be payed off or close to also. I need to check on that, come to think of it.

    I'm just wondering if more info needs to be out there since the Pres is telling people to go "do it"? It set off my alarm bells since housing loans are part of the problem along with the banksters . . .  

    I just checked my bank's rating again and they should be stable for at least the next year. Rating said they don't "forsee any change to the rating in the next year" when they will rate again. It's a smaller community one that I absolutely enjoy banking with. They "know" me and I still haven't had "fees" added :)

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    Oh, I think the banks (none / 0) (#88)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 07:39:02 PM EST
    these days will not be handing out refi's like candy.  Our bank checked our credit rating first and foremost -- and people with the requisite credit ratings also have to have the requisite reading comprehension to not sign on (literally, all the paperwork) to all those closing costs.  And yes, I calculated those carefully to be sure they would be compensated by a sufficiently lower rate, and that takes math skills, too. :-)  That's the requirement of at least one point lower -- and we went more than a point and a half lower.  

    I am hoping to get to that point where you may be, with the mortgage paid off soon.  We intend to still pay what we were paying before, which already was more than required, to accelerate the loan payoff.  I well remember the day that my parents did so; my dad actually gathered us around to do the ritual burning of the mortgage.

    It would be great for you if the mortgage has been paid off -- but if not, you might talk to your bank, as it is a good local one like ours.  We are going to be SO glad to be rid of the previous mortgage bank that used to be so good but was ruined by being bought out by a big one.

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    My parents were always on top of (none / 0) (#93)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 08:33:38 PM EST
    mortgages, so if there's anything left on the cabin, it's prob at a good rate. I remember when they paid off one of the mortgages (family happy dance, lol!~). I think they started building the cabin around when I moved here and that was 20yrs ago. They also have a tendency to do a lot of upfront payments like for cars etc. The only car payment they may have could be a cosign agreement on my niece's car, and my mom just bought a new car recently. They also pay more than minimums on credit things. They were good teachers to me, even if just by example. One of the reasons I never bought a home. I couldn't imagine (with my career/lifestyle) making that kind of commitment. Luckily, I have a sweetheart rent deal here that I can afford even in slow times, but a home owning commitment? Too much commitment/risk, imo.

    As long as you can afford to pay the "over" amount, go for it. I know my parents were quite happy when they hit that final payment, as yours were :) Hopefully you will be sooner rather than later be passing on the burning ritual to your kids {grin}

    I'm looking at signing up with one of the "big" banks to keep a smaller account so I'm ok when I hit the other coast and find a small bank there. I think you'll be very happy with the small bank experience if it's anything close to mine. I think I'll be spending too much time monitoring my big bank on fees etc until I get re-settled {sigh} But based on prior banking experience when moving, I need a bank that has offices in the state I'm moving and need to put a few client checks through it so they don't hold my money forever and a day :(  I'm gonna be reading a heck of a lot of small print so I don't have a bank "incident" along the way . . . . my "incidents" aren't pretty {grin} lol!~

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    I suspect the Obama admins. hopes (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 04:31:40 PM EST
    those who are able to refinance will also take more money in the new loan and spend, spend, spend.

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    They can hope all they want (none / 0) (#65)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 05:11:41 PM EST
    but were going to use ours to spend in ways they may not want -- paying down our mortgage sooner, at our ages, while seeking better ways to save than the IRAs and the like that only have been losing our hard-earned savings lately.

    We are not going to go running to stores to get more stuff.

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    What?! (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:30:21 PM EST
    yer not gonna run out and buy me a bunch of presents?! Hurmph!

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    I was just diagnosed with (none / 0) (#25)
    by kenosharick on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:09:51 PM EST
    gall stones and am meeting with a surgeon Monday. It really hurts. Anyone been through this before? advice?

    not myself, but ... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by wystler on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 02:17:01 PM EST
    ... it's typically an outpatient microsurgery procedure now. Incision thru the navel, etc. A whole lot less invasive than it was years ago.

    Hope your outcome is all good

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    Gall Stones (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by daring grace on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 03:05:41 PM EST
    I went through a year of gallstone attacks (once a month or so) before realizing that was probably what it was and seeing a surgeon.

    What I found--once I was not in an attack--was eating a VERY low fat diet (I ate small amounts of turkey and sushi for protein) kept the attacks away.
    But ultimately, I wanted surgery because the presence of these things can affect not only your gall bladder but also your liver and pancreas if they move and block the common bile duct (Don't follow the link if you're squeamish about anatomical diagrams.)

    The only thing I found that eased the pain somewhat was filling my bathtub with water as hot as I could stand it and sort of floating in it--instead of sitting in it, balancing on my elbows (if you can picture the ridiculous picture this makes) and essentially soaking the area of my upper abdomen in the heat.

    The good news is that, as Wystler suggested, the surgery is often able to be non-invasive and done as an outpatient. Mine was laproscopic with two tiny incisions over the gall bladder. I stayed overnight in the hospital but that was because my surgeon preferred to be conservative. I didn't really need to. And the next day he encouraged me to walk at least five blocks a day, climb stairs, etc. There were none of the standard abdomenal surgery restrictions because there was none of the major incisions through muscle etc. I was driving again in two or three days.

    Some people have pain, and nausea symptoms for a day or two afterwards. I had none. I felt great afterward. In fact, the nurses in the hospital had to coerce me into taking pain meds because what I experienced was more discomfort than what I considered actual pain. NOTHING like the pain beforehand. Not even close.

    I hope this helps.

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    You do not want to get pancreatitis (none / 0) (#70)
    by Amiss on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 05:45:34 PM EST
    In pancreatitis, basically the enzymes cause the pancreas to "eat itself". The most painful and most near death I have ever been and I have been in some scarey health situations.

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    Pancreatitis (none / 0) (#84)
    by daring grace on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:40:30 PM EST
    Yeah, I've had a friend and a family member who developed this and it was agonizing for them both.

    It was the terror of this that caused me--someone who had made it to 45 with no surgeries and was averse to having one I might not need--to race to the surgeon.

    People don't always understand the liver and pancreas implications. The gall bladder sounds like such an unimportant little organ.


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    thanks (none / 0) (#99)
    by kenosharick on Sat Apr 11, 2009 at 08:44:56 AM EST
    I feel a litte better (I think)

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    Get it done (none / 0) (#76)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:27:38 PM EST
    as you don't want the gall bladder to go bad.  That was endured by my daughter for more than a year until finally diagnosed, and the surgery was so much worse than what is described by others here as what is done for gall stones.

    I haven't had 'em, but I empathize, if they're anything like kidney stones.  The pain was excruciating.  Take care of yourself, homey. :-)

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    thanks Cream City (none / 0) (#98)
    by kenosharick on Sat Apr 11, 2009 at 08:44:21 AM EST
    As others have said (none / 0) (#83)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:39:15 PM EST
    it can be much easier most of the time now. There is an exception though. Previous abdominal surgeries may lead them to resort to the old 5 inch cut under the right ribcage and a 3-5 day hospital stay.

    Have a friend recovering now from the old style. She says the meds after the surgery are...and I quote..."groovy".


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    Yes (none / 0) (#85)
    by daring grace on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:43:53 PM EST
    My surgeon promised the laparoscopy and then when he 'got in there' found the gall bladder was so scarred from my year of attacks with it, it was hard to manage taking it out that way. He almost 'went the other way'. I was so grateful he didn't have to.

    My mother in law, on the other hand had hers removed before the days of the easier operation, and kept the gallstones in a dish on her dresser for years.

    (yuck)

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    more DOJ misconduct (none / 0) (#45)
    by Bemused on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 03:14:19 PM EST
    VA Seizes Reporter's Memory Card (none / 0) (#69)
    by daring grace on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 05:30:27 PM EST
    Has anyone seen this story about a reporter from a local public radio station who was interviewing a patient about his complaints about the quality of his care when he (the reporter was sent packing by a VA official at the hospital and four security guards?

    I saw the story at Politico and it linked to this

    One of the patients on the scene who witnessed the incident, an amputee in a wheelchair, and asked the reporter for his phone number was prevented by this VA employee from getting it.

    snip:

    Barbara Cochran, president of the Radio and Television News Directors Association, says this "smacks of censorship and control that's worthy of big brother."
    Cochran says there is no legal basis for Hairston's actions.

    "The government may not lawfully seize audio or videotape at a scene of news gathering," she says. "It's a form of prior restraint."



    It is different when you are on gov't property (none / 0) (#71)
    by Amiss on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 05:48:16 PM EST
    There are signs everywhere at VA hospitals about what you are and are not allowed. They are allowed to search your purse when you enter their property. It is probably even more stiff security now than when I worked at one back in the 70's.

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    I think it's true at hospitals (none / 0) (#80)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:32:53 PM EST
    in general, in contacts with patients.  There are very strict privacy laws now.  I had to use them when a child of mine, while undergoing a series of tests, was videotaped for an ad for the hospital.  I did not know of it until the ad aired, to the child's embarassment.  I contacted the hospital and was told by its "communications department," which had done the ad, that the child had signed the requisite permission.  I pointed out that the child was a child.  The ad did not run again . . . although I almost had to get a lawyer on it.  

    I like the privacy laws in hospitals now.  So does that child of mine, who grew up to work in intake at that hospital and made sure to follow the laws and rules to read those rights to all patients -- and to stand up to administrators and others who tried to go around them, again and again.

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    Not A Lawyer (none / 0) (#86)
    by daring grace on Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 06:47:49 PM EST
    So I wondered about that quote...

    It seems a shame, though, if the gov't restrictions because it's a VA hospital get to supersede a patient's right to talk to a reporter on the premises--even to getting the reporter's phone number.

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