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Glenn Greenwald writes:

A rational citizen, by definition, praises and supports political leaders only when they do the right thing (regardless of motive), and criticizes and opposes them when they don’t. It's just that simple. Cheerleading for someone because they're on "your team" is appropriate for a sporting event, not for political matters. Political leaders deserve support only to the extent that their actions, on a case-by-case basis, merit that support, and that has largely been the behavior of progressives towards Obama.

(Emphasis supplied.) In that vein, I will be cheerleading for the Florida Gators tonight in their game against Penn State in the NIT. Sure, it's not the Big Dance, but the Gators are still my team. In an unrelated note, Howard Dean writes a dkos diary. Dean was truly an important transformational figure in the Democratic Party. I wish him good luck in his future endeavors.

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    Hillary: The Movie (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 04:45:55 PM EST
    Up for SC nomination.

    WASHINGTON, March 24 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court appeared divided on Tuesday over a challenge to a campaign finance law by a conservative group in a case that could open the door to fewer restrictions on political advertising.

    The group, Citizens United, released a 90-minute documentary film "Hillary: The Movie" in January 2008 when Hillary Clinton, then a New York senator, was running for president. She now is secretary of state in President Barack Obama's administration.

    Citizens United released the movie to theaters and for store sales on DVD. The group also wanted to broadcast the movie on cable television video-on-demand but that was rejected by a federal court.

    The court ruled the movie clearly was intended to influence people to vote against Clinton and thus was covered by the campaign finance law's ban on the airing of ads or "electioneering communications" right before an election.

    Reuters

    Theodore Olson is arguing the case, and of course he is arguing free speech. Obviously the movie was made for the sole purpose of knocking Hillary out of the race for POTUS. Not sure how anyone could see it as anything else.

    Does anyone know what the difference (none / 0) (#52)
    by samtaylor2 on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:25:50 PM EST
    Between this movie and Michael Moore's movies are in terms of the first amendment issues?

    When was this going to be released?  I am assuming it was way before the primaries got started?


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    It was released (none / 0) (#56)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 11:26:36 PM EST
    as the primaries started, in January 2008; see the link.  So the damage was done, and the rest is just lawyers discussing whether damage was done.    

    I have read other coverage and commentary elsewhere comparing and contrasting with Moore films but didn't keep those; maybe google.

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    I was wondering if the difference (none / 0) (#61)
    by samtaylor2 on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 06:20:43 AM EST
    Was that Bush was elected?

    When I read it I didn't think it was actually released?

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    Stolen . . . . (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:26:45 PM EST
    One bag of dehydrated cow lungs . . . Oh where Oh where could they be? . . the cats aren't talkin', lol!~

    Oh, happy, happy cats (none / 0) (#27)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 06:18:23 PM EST
    to live in a place where bags of dehydrated cow lungs are left lying around...

    Hey, how'd that ground mouse stuff end up working out?  Did they decide they liked it after all?

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    The dog ate the mice :) (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 06:52:18 PM EST
    I tell ya, nothing goes to waste when you have a dog, lol!~ I'm going to try the mice again. Sometimes I need to introduce a meat a few times for them to decide to eat it. {sigh} they are felines after all . .  . I need all 5 to agree though, so Dot may be having so more mice for breakfast in the future.

    I can't believe I left the lungs in striking distance! I'm usually pretty good about not leaving those around. Oh well, at least I won't be searching around for something raw . . . {grin}

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    I think the "Obama hates Krugman! (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by lilburro on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:45:38 PM EST
    Krugman hates Obama!" nonsense is really boring...I don't see how it is actually worth taking seriously.  All the same, the fact that the Obama team "fact-checked" on Krugman is kind of funny.  But does that mean they are "at war?"  Very villager-y perspective.

    From Greenwald (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:52:05 PM EST
    The following Greenwald statement is UTTER nonsense.  Greenwald must consider our entire media establishment "the fringes".  At minimum, he doesn't watch MSNBC or the nightly news, entertainment tonight, the local news, etc.

    But outside of those anonymity-granting blogger/journalists and Democratic apparatchiks, these drooling, worshipful, subservient sentiments are largely confined to the fringes.  With some exceptions, to find this right-wing-replicating blind loyalty to the Leader, one has to search blog comment sections and obscure diarists.  Many -- arguably most -- of the most vocal liberal Bush critics have kept their critical faculties engaged and have been unwilling to sacrifice their political values and principles at the altar of partisan loyalty.



    Doing my part re NIT (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 06:23:06 PM EST
    Sports bar TV shows Baylor v. 4uburn. Can't see score.

    Wonderful ezhibit @ Asia Society honoring the expert who guided JDR3-- that's John D. Rockefeller III for the uninitiated. Sponsor of the exhibit is natch a being bailed out financial institution. .  

    Oculus, have someone cut you off at the (none / 0) (#35)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 07:18:33 PM EST
    bar. It is ruining your rep as a good typist. :)

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    Someone need to cut off Lane Kiffin (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 07:35:11 PM EST
    "Defending BCS champion Florida opens spring practice Wednesday, but the Gators clearly are thinking of this fall's showdown with Tennessee. Peeved by the verbal jabs from new Volunteers coach Lane Kiffin, several Florida players say photos of Kiffin are posted throughout their locker room, a reminder of what will fuel them come Sept. 19 in the Swamp.

    Kiffin's response? "First, I think it's a neat thing that Tennessee's logo is all over Florida's locker room," Kiffin said, smiling, during an interview Tuesday morning with "ESPN First Take."
    "We have great respect for Florida and Urban Meyer and what they've done there," he continued. "It's a big-time place and big-time program. I don't think bulletin-board material makes a difference.""

    Florida is going to kill Tennessee in Gainesville next fall.

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    Yeah, yeah, yeah....lol (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 07:48:49 PM EST
    He does have quite the mouth. Remind you of a coach you know well?

    And, I know he was wrong about that being a violation, but it should be a violation to bug (call and text) a recruit while he is on another visit. I doubt U.M. gives a hoot what little Lane says but it makes for fun on the message boards.

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    Meyer uses that stuff (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 07:51:32 PM EST
    It's gonna be ugly in Gainesville that day.

    Florida by 50.

    I do not see how that helps recruiting in Knoxville. Seems pretty stupid to me.

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    And how is this new? (none / 0) (#41)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 08:02:18 PM EST
    It's gonna be ugly in Gainesville that day

    He spouted off to boosters and he has a big disadvantage right now...Chris Lowe, the ESPN reporter who keeps reporting this stuff lives in Knoxville and was a Fulmer guy. You know how much I respect Fulmer, BTD, but we have a real war in Knoxville right now.

    All I know is that the players absolutely love him and are working their butts off. But, I think we'll have some severe paybacks in the fall...not just in Gainesville.

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    Teresa, (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 11:01:16 AM EST
    for me it's not about kiffin so much as a dislike for the Vols on the football field. Of course, I do root for Auburn. I like Perle and Pat Summitt (sp?), but I was stationed at Ft Campbell for 3 years, and just got tired of 'Rocky Top,' and the phrase "Go Vols!"

    Ah well, nothing like a good SEC fight. And I root for All SEC teams, save one, against out of conference. And I won't apologize for rooting AGAINST Bama, either ;-)

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    Oh Jeff, I can't help myself... (none / 0) (#67)
    by Teresa on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 12:32:35 PM EST
    I root for all SEC teams out of conference.

    Do you think either of our teams can put a decent offense on the field this year? We had a great defense, especially considering they played about 2/3 of every game but I've never seen a more inept offense in my life. Our game with Auburn has to be one of the ugliest games ever!

    Good luck this year...I liked Tubby and was disappointed for him.

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    rebuilding... (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 12:37:03 PM EST
    The players here love Chizic, so I'm hopeful.

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    Heh. (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 01:49:07 PM EST
    He sure didn't do much of anything while he was at Iowa State.  

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    That's one of my concerns. (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 02:11:23 PM EST
    please. (none / 0) (#38)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 07:45:34 PM EST
     Kiffin is embarassing.

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    I zee sd. the blind lady! (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 08:32:21 PM EST
    Did Auburn win?

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    Sadly (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 09:03:34 PM EST
    no. They made a nice comeback from down 6 with just over a minute remaining but had no excuse near game's end as they got the break they needed. They missed two free throws with 8 seconds left when down by 2 and lose.

    But they sure did turn it around in the last minute and make for a great finish.

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    Debbie Wasserman Schultz (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 06:31:51 PM EST
    Anybody catch the news that Rep. Wasserman Schultz, while she was energetically campaigning for Hillary in the primaries and then Obama during the general, was having seven surgeries, including two radical mastectomies and removal of her ovaries?

    She was diagnosed with very early breast cancer, but then it was discovered she has that cancer gene marker, so had both breasts and her ovaries removed, plus other undescribed surgeries maybe related to breast reconstruction.

    I'm in awe of her courage and determination.  I certainly saw no clue she was having any kind of difficulties.

    Wow - that's amazing. (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 06:58:25 PM EST
    She always struck me as a very strong woman, so in some respects it doesn't surprise me that she would just do what needed to be done and keep moving forward with all that her life requires of her.

    You know, sometimes it's hard enough being a woman in what is still very much a man's world, without adding an illness to the mix that - even with all that we know and all the weapons we have against it - still often reduces the person who has it to "being" the disease in the eyes of others.

    When I read about someone like that it really puts a lot into perspective - like how stupid the things I let get to me are.  

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    Saw that, and another thing that struck (none / 0) (#34)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 07:05:36 PM EST
    me was that she has 3 young children, as well. That's a lot of responsibility she has on her shoulders, and I'd bet not much goes undone in her world.


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    Mind-boggling (none / 0) (#43)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 08:51:41 PM EST
    She didn't mention a husband, either, so it's possible she's a single mother coping with all this.  But boy, she never missed a beat while all that was going on.  Just incredible.  I've always liked her, now I'm flat-out awed.

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    Wow, that takes such courage (none / 0) (#44)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 08:51:55 PM EST
    as I know from a coworker, the only one left in her family who hadn't had (and some died) of breast cancer, so she had the double mastectomy -- and in the tests, the potential was found for ovarian cancer, too.  So she went back for it all, and it showed in her face, her step, her energy for some time.  Wasserman Schultz never showed such strain at all.  Amazing.  But I also have seen the strain of living with the odds of an early death sentence. . . .  

    And now, I would bet that she is part of the support groups for these courageous women.  So my coworker probably knows of this, but I'll find the story and send it to her, anyway.  Thanks for the tip to this news I missed, and I'll include Wasserman Schultz in my thoughts for all of them.  I know a little of this situation but still find unimaginable what it must be like for them and their families, especially the families that already have lost so many grandmothers, mothers, aunts, sisters, cousins . . . it's awful.

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    If I understood correctly (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 11:36:55 PM EST
    she "came out" about this in order to be a spokesman/advocate for a new group focusing on convincing younger women they need to take this seriously.  I don't think it was known at all until now, but I gather she intends to do quite a bit of speaking and advocacy.

    She said she had kept it private because she didn't want her kids to get freaked out by public attention to it until she was through with everything and sure she was going to be OK and could totally reassure them that it was all in the past and not a present threat to her health.  She said she'd told them about her surgeries, obviously, but hadn't tried to give them the full picture of why they were necessary until now.

    I'm so totally stunned because I saw her a lot on the cable talk shows during that period and never once, not a single time, had the slighest hint of any strain or any diminution of her energy and passion and brain power.  Amazing.


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    Yup, totally amazing (none / 0) (#60)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 11:52:35 PM EST
    But then, not. She's obviously made of pretty strong stuff.

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    Hits home (none / 0) (#46)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:04:56 PM EST
    My mom just had a recurrence after ~15 years.

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    So sorry to hear that, andgarden (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:14:18 PM EST
    How is your mom doing?

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    Luckily they caught it early (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:16:28 PM EST
    so no chemo will be necessary this time. However, she is still recovering from the double mastectomy/reconstruction she decided to have this time.

    I think she'll be OK.

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    No chemo, that's good (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:19:33 PM EST
    So, the prognosis is pretty good, it sounds like.

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    Yup (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:22:18 PM EST
    She's otherwise in excellent health.

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    She should be OK (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 11:31:08 PM EST
    Docs tend to be really conservative about this, so if they don't think any chemo is necessary, she should be in good shape.

    My mother had those tiny things they think are pre-cancerous first in one breast and then the other, and both times she opted for mastectomy rather than go through radiation, chemo, etc.  It worked out quite well for her, everything healed very cleanly, etc.  Also, she found it much easier dealing with clothes, etc., after the second one than it was when it was just one!

    The whole thing scared the wits out of me more than it did her, I have to say.  So hang in there!

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    The situation is much less serious this time (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 11:51:19 PM EST
    But last time I was in 3rd grade, so I was somewhat ignorant at the time. And probably, that was a good thing.

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    A new primary or a recurrance? (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by samtaylor2 on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:22:47 PM EST
    I hope everything goes well.  My prayers are with your family.

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    I think it's technically a recurrence (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33:37 PM EST
    because it was in the same breast.

    In any case, she's in good hands: her doctors are world class.

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    PSU! (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by DaveOinSF on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:28:36 PM EST


    Let's make this an Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 04:35:01 PM EST


    Go Gators and Tigers! (none / 0) (#2)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 04:43:13 PM EST
    BTD, I want to see both win. I saw somewhere that called the NIT the Faux Four.

    But by golly, let's hope our teams make it. I'd love to see Auburn-Florida for the NIT championship.

    But with a different outcome than you desire, I think.

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    Always could be worse... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:22:51 PM EST
    St. Johns couldn't even get an NIT bid.

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    Nationalizing Powers Expanding (none / 0) (#4)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:11:00 PM EST
    The Obama administration is considering asking Congress to give the Treasury secretary unprecedented powers to initiate the seizure of non-bank financial companies, such as large insurers, investment firms and hedge funds, whose collapse would damage the broader economy, according to an administration document.

    WaPo via raw story

    Skeptics of Obama's Intentions (none / 0) (#9)
    by dk on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:30:14 PM EST
    Yves Smith via Atrios

    Given the lack of any mention of a special resolution regime, or intent to develop one, the point of this bill is NOT, appearances to the contrary, to be able to put more firms into receivership. It is to get broader authority to bail them out.


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    Hard To Tell (none / 0) (#17)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:47:32 PM EST
    What is going on. One thing that does not make sense from your link is that it suggests Bush and Obama have the same agenda.

    And AIG, poster child of insufficient regulation, was overseen at the parent level (which is where the black hole creating Financial Products unit sat) by the Office of Thrift Supervision (no joke), which is an agency of the Treasury! So the Treasury is acting like it needs more authority to prevent future AIG's when its own agency was responsible for the doomsday machine part of AIG.

    Certainly BushCo did not seem as if they were the least bit concerned about the economy crumbling, in fact their mantra seemed to be bring it on. Does it seem to you that Obama is calling for less regulation? Certainly there are smoke and mirrors regarding transparency but it seems that in essence Obama has been arguing, if not enacting, more regulation than we have seen in the last 10 years.

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    Not sure how this suggests (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by dk on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:59:11 PM EST
    necessarily that Bush and Obama have the same agenda.  What it suggests is that Obama's plan may be empty rhetoric and/or that it is regulation that is not appropriately designed to address the problems that Obama publicly states it should.

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    Because (none / 0) (#26)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 06:11:14 PM EST
    The quote assumes that Treasury during Bush would be the same during Obama.

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    The quote assumes (none / 0) (#36)
    by dk on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 07:26:15 PM EST
    that that part of the Obama proposal is nonsensical and does not advance an improved regulatory scheme.

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    I notice.... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:33:23 PM EST
    the "too big to fail"'s will still exist, only subject to seizure.

    Further merging of government and corporate power?

    Why can't we just let greed screw itself?  Allow the folly to be realized.

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    I do love that greenwald (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:19:35 PM EST
    Called out the cultists by link.

    For open thread purposes, I just got an email from Specter: he knows that his only race is in the R primary so he's opposing card check.

    Really, there is no decent Democrat (none / 0) (#8)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:28:21 PM EST
    who could beat Specter? In all of Pennsylvania?

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    Rendell could give him a run (none / 0) (#11)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:32:50 PM EST
    For his money. Otherwise, no.

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    If Specter loses the primary? (none / 0) (#14)
    by CST on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:39:10 PM EST
    What chance for Dems to pick it up then?

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    Pretty good (none / 0) (#16)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:47:11 PM EST
    But it depends on Obama's popularity and several other factors.

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    do you really think he'd switch parties? (none / 0) (#21)
    by lilburro on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:54:04 PM EST
    I don't.

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    His actions regarding card check (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by andgarden on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:59:17 PM EST
    Prove that he won't.

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    He would have to switch (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 06:09:06 PM EST
    parties before the primary and that is unlikely to happen. Unlike Connecticut, there is no sore loser clause for a primary loser to jump ship to a different party for the general election in Pennsylvania.

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    Cheers for Howard Dean! (none / 0) (#13)
    by NealB on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 05:37:38 PM EST
    Damn. When he was running for the nomination.... Remember  Bryant Park, New York, August 26, 2003, end of the Sleepless Summer Tour? Dean walked out with the bat in his hand and for a little while we thought we were going to win. Good times....

    CT or Coin (none / 0) (#24)
    by squeaky on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 06:08:44 PM EST
    Fred Kaplan describes the two Afghan strategies that are currently on the table. Obama needs to choose one by next week when he goes to Strassbourg for his first NATO conference.

    It's a debate that the Bush administration never seriously had in the seven years following the post-9/11 invasion. Now, by contrast, in the wake of three major strategic reviews, Obama is extending and deepening the discussion of Afghanistan, because the outcome of this debate may set the course of American foreign policy for the remainder of his presidency.

    CT (counter terrorism) is Biden's position, which I gather is more of the same out of the BushCo books. Targeting al qaida and bombing from Predator drones, plus military strikes. Essentially treating Afghanis as foreigners in their own land. Cheap easy and macho.

    COIN includes more balanced approach which would emphasize winning hearts and minds through giving security and aid to those who are bullied by al Qaida et al. It is more expensive, takes more time, and requires more troops.

    Seems to me COIN is far better if we really care about having allies in the region.

    Auburn down by 1 at the half, (none / 0) (#30)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 06:50:32 PM EST
    36-37. I don't like it.

    Too many people (none / 0) (#33)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 07:01:58 PM EST
    on the left and the right consider politics "team sports".

    My favorite team sports term is "get over it".

    I may "get over it" when my team loses, but I don't "get over it" when my country loses.

    Discent is good (none / 0) (#54)
    by samtaylor2 on Tue Mar 24, 2009 at 10:30:55 PM EST
    But it seems like one of the things that the left blogs haven't figured out is how to support a policy initiative and get it passed.  We spent a week yelling about this stupid AIG thing, when we should have been focused on getting the message out and Obama's budget- and adding things we think are missing.

    That is something the right does very well.  They can take an idea and push it to a fruition or at least a vote.  The single message that they have is impressive.

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 07:25:46 AM EST
    when the left is obssessed with personality and NOT issues this is what happens.

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    getting the message out? (none / 0) (#63)
    by lilburro on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 09:45:26 AM EST
    whose message?  I do not see the role of the left blogs to be a mouthpiece for President Obama.  You can read Daily Kos and see a ton of diaries like that.  They're boring and unpersuasive.

    AIG was a big media battle, very of the moment, and important to framing whatever financial rescue the Obama team chose.  I don't think it was a waste of time.  Not that the budget could not have been simultaneously discussed.

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    the message (none / 0) (#64)
    by CST on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 09:48:51 AM EST
    is not necessarily "the president's message" it's the people's message to the president and congress that certain issues are important for us as a country to pass.

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    AIG bonuses were a big (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by lilburro on Wed Mar 25, 2009 at 11:04:26 AM EST
    "people's message" issue.  It was a line drawn in the sand for Geithner and others - throwing too much money at Wall Street is just going to be trouble.  I think that could have a positive effect on policy.  So I disagree with the characterization of it as "stupid."

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