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AIG Playing With Fire: What The Government Can Do

AIG, some of its well heeled and compensated employees, and the counterparties to AIG's outrageous transacrtions, certainly are playing with fire regarding this bonuses issue. But what can the government do about the bonuses? Firedoglake has posted AIG's argument for paying the bonuses. From a legal perspective, some of the argument is sound to my eyes:

AIG has been advised by outside counsel that a breach of the retention plan would subject it to claims for not only the contractually owed payments, but also penalties and fees under the Connecticut Wage Act. The Wage Act provides for the recovery of double damages and attorneys’ fees when wages are improperly withheld and the employer’s refusal to pay wages lacks a good faith basis. (Conn. Gen. Stat. §31-72.)3 In addition, individual managers who decide to withhold wages that are due are individually liable for violation of the Wage Act.

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So if the AIG does not have a good faith basis for breaching its obligations here, it is exposing itself to claims for double the amounts due plus attorneys fees. This seems a decent argument for paying the bonuses. Another of AIG's arguments is actually dangerous, for AIG and its transactional counterparties:

AIGFP’s derivatives portfolio stands at about $1.6 trillion and remains a significant risk. Failure to pay the required retention payments therefore could have very significant business ramifications.

For example, AIGFP is a party to derivative and structured transactions, guaranteed by AIG, that allow counterparties to terminate in the event of a “cross default” by AIGFP or AIG. A cross default in many of these transactions is defined as a failure by AIGFP to make one or more payments in an amount that exceeds a threshold of $25 million. In the event a counterparty elects to terminate a transaction early, such transaction will be terminated at its replacement value, less any previously posted collateral. Due to current market conditions, it is not possible to reliably estimate the replacement cost of these transactions. However, the size of the portfolio with these types of provisions is in the several hundreds of billions of dollars and a cross-default in this portfolio could trigger other cross-defaults over the entire portfolio of AIGFP.

If any counterparty were to even consider triggering a default because AIG failed to pay these bonuses, it seems extremely likely to me that the federal government would wash its hands of AIG altogether and that would be the end of that. In fact, not a single counterparty would even contemplate such an act and it was irresponsible and counterproductive of AIG to even raise the issue.

It is possible they considered that argument superior to this one:

AIGFP’s books also contain a significant number of complex – so-called bespoke – transactions that are difficult to understand and manage. This is one reason replacing key traders and risk managers would not be practical on a large scale. Personal knowledge of the trades and the unique systems at AIGFP will be critical to an effective unwind of AIGFP’s businesses and portfolios. In this current environment, any perceived disruption in AIGFP’s ability to conduct business, such as one that would result from the departure of a number of key employees, could also cause parties to limit or cease trading with AIGFP. Obviously, this would adversely affect its ability to continue to cost-effectively hedge its positions.

Whether there is merit to this arguent or not, it simply will not sell publically. To argue that the very people who put you in this mess are critical to managing the mess simply will not sell. That is why the "threat" of regulatory takeover is also not a weighty argument from AIG. Indeed, after this, it seems likely that there will be many demands for such a regulatory takeover. (The ironic part of the threat is AIG's express reference to having foreign government step in. In fact, many are demanding that foreign government bear a share of the AIG debacle.)

So what can the federal government do here? With respect to these particular bonuses, my own view is very little. The government, it is true, is an 80% shareholder of AIG and could , one assumes replace management almost immediately and stop the bonuses. But it looks like the legal case for paying them is strong. Short of forcing AIG into liquidation, I am not sure what legal recourse there is here.

In terms of the larger picture, it is time for the government to drop its timidity about stepping in forcefully regarding the financial crisis and do what it must, particularly with insolvent institutions - take them over and start the hard bargaining with the counterparties involved in the toxic assets transactions.

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    Can't Obama/Geithner just (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by MyLeftMind on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:11:54 PM EST
    order US trustees to temporarily stop the corporate treasurer from making bonus payments (including a stop payment for last minute checks this week).  A freeze prevents us from having to accept the abuse of public trust after the fact.

    Then, if AIG is forced to separate the derivatives part of the company and incorporate it as a separate company, then that part of the company can be forced into bankruptcy to permanently prevent payout of the bonuses.

    Given that this is another one of those last minute "emergencies," when AIG's accountants and management clearly had long term knowledge of the bonus agreements, an immediate clamp down by the SEC seems like a valid solution.


    Hard to Believe That (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by gtesta on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:16:24 PM EST
    bonuses are not performance-based.
    Then again, it doesn't really surprise me. Same with other executive compensation.  Nothing has a disincentive component to it.
    For example, stock options.  The downside is to not excercise the option.  Big Deal.
    I think stock options should be made illegal for compensation purposes.
    Bonuses should be performance-based and paid with actual grants of stock.  That way, you could actually value the bonus and book it at the time of the grant.

    How about (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by eric on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:18:57 PM EST
    digging up some good old contract law.

    Unilateral mistake.  AIG shouldn't have to pay these employees because at the time of the contract, it was mistaken about the gross incompetence of these employees.  Had it been aware of their incompetence, there would be no retention bonus.

    Mutual mistake.  At the time of contracting, both AIG and its employees were mistaken about the employees gross incompetence.

    Unconscionability.  It is unconscionable to pay these employees because they wrecked the company and furthermore, the payments will further wreck the company.

    Illusory promise.  There was no value in these incompetent employees "work".  Further their promise to keep working there has no value.

    Misrepresentation.  These employees misrepresented that they would "work" for AIG when all they really did was wreck the company.

    Yes, I am being facetious.

    Force majeure. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:27:14 PM EST
    Nice (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by eric on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:28:25 PM EST
    forgot about that one!

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    Failure of consideration (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by denise k on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:32:26 PM EST
    If they are being paid for the benefit they added to the company, it would seem to me that they have completely failed to deliver.

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    I have no reason to think (5.00 / 0) (#34)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:23:13 PM EST
    nor do you, nor does anybody, that these people were not doing exactly what they were being asked to do by upper management, and very, very competently, one could argue perhaps too competently.

    Could we pleeeeasssee get a little perspective on what's actually been going on here?

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    some of them yes (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by CST on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:39:35 PM EST
    but do you honestly think that someone who makes $3 million in a bonus should not be held to "upper management" standards?  As in, at what point does a person make enough to be personally responsible?

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    At that level (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by cal1942 on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 05:30:59 PM EST
    they should have known that what they were doing was wrong.

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    "wrong" in what sense? (5.00 / 0) (#57)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 06:13:04 PM EST
    And what level are we talking about?  I haven't seen yet any solid indication of who exactly gets (or I guess got) these bonuses.

    They did nothing against the law, just very cleverly exploited a loophole-ridden system to make fistfuls of money for their company and themselves, for which they were no doubt amply rewarded-- by the largest (and heretofore most respectable) insurance company in the world.  Be nice if they didn't do that, of course, but that's what capitalists are supposed to do.

    I say again if we're talking about this London unit, assessing the overall level of risk the company as a whole could tolerate was not their job, or really within their capabilities.  That's overall company management's responsibility, particularly the CEO and CFO, I would think.

    As far as I'm aware, only a very tiny number of unusually perceptive people had a clue that it could all lead to this meltdown.

    Unless proved otherwise, those top executives are the people I blame first and foremost, along with the Dick Fulds and other similar types at other companies. Evaluating and restraining that risk-taking is/was their responsibility, and they shirked it utterly.

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    and you know this how, exactly? (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by cpinva on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 12:44:07 AM EST
    They did nothing against the law, just very cleverly exploited a loophole-ridden system to make fistfuls of money for their company and themselves,

    it has been my experience (nearly 30 years in the accounting/tax biz) that the more complex a transaction is, the less likely it is to serve any legitimate business purpose. extreme complexity is considered one of the classic "badges" of fraud, in the tax biz.

    a transaction so complex, that only one person in the entire world understands it, would surely rate a review by other, unrelated, third parties, before pronouncing it "legal". in fact, they did not make "fistfulls" of money for their employer. if they had, the employer wouldn't now be in danger of dissolution, due to staggering losses created by those very employees.

    i would go even further. an employee who knowingly enters into a transaction that only he/she understands, should be fired, they are a liability to the company.

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    You are blaming the wrong people (none / 0) (#84)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 11:11:22 AM EST
    These were not rogue employees.  They were doing what the company wanted them to do, urged them to do, incentivized them with cash to do.

    And yes, they most certainly did make vast oceans of money for their company.  Why on earth do you think these derivatives existed?  Until the housing market started to implode, AIG was awash in money.  Practically the entire world was trading this crap and raking in the profits.

    It was all built on a house of cards, which the top executives in charge of all these companies chose to turn a blind eye to, preferring to believe instead that the housing market was going to keep going up forever.

    The rage is entirely misplaced.  It belongs at the top levels, the Dick Fulds and John Thains and Vikram Pandits and Hank Greenbergs, who had both the knowledge and the fiduciary and moral responsibility to put the brakes on and didn't because they were raking in too much cash.

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    Level - Senior management & (none / 0) (#74)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 09:14:01 AM EST
    Senior management, I believe, consisting of 7 people who agreed to forego bonuses, and other executive or professional level personnel (was reported in one of the main papers, I believe).

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    PS (none / 0) (#75)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 09:14:46 AM EST
    Bonuses were up to $190,000 per person, so recipients should not be lower-level employees, but then again....

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    Well, they weren't (none / 0) (#85)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 11:16:08 AM EST
    secretaries by and large (although I read somewhere that bonuses started at $1,000, so surely some lower-level people).  But unfortunately, six-figure bonuses, or deferred compensation or retention bonuses or whatever, are the kind of money your basic trader at these outfits rakes in.  To us ordinary folks, that's executive-level compensation, but not in their world.


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    I have no idea whether or not (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by inclusiveheart on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 04:06:56 PM EST
    this is true, but WTOP radio was reporting that AIG claims that these exotic financial transactions were taking place in London and were not approved by the home office here in the US.

    So, if AIG head office claims that these activities were not approved, one would assume that AIG could withhold the bonuses or pay them and then sue to get them back - or something along those line.

    The other confusing thing about this story is that some reports say that it is British law that has created an impediment and others that rely on US law.

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    I think we don't know (none / 0) (#54)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 06:02:34 PM EST
    enough yet about who's getting how much for what and at what point it was contracted to justify the level of sputtering indignation.  But what else is new.

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    No pretty much all of the reports (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by inclusiveheart on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 06:24:19 PM EST
    I have seen/heard since have noted (including the WSJ article BTD cited in the post he put up right after this one) that some portion of these funds are going to the financial products division that created this mess.  I know that these people have probably purchased flats, houses and whatever else in anticipation of receiving this portion of their compensation packages, but I would be surprised if their names did not become public at some point down the road.  Personally, I think I might think long and hard about the actual cost of that compensation given how angry people are about their failures and now their additional compensation.  I might decide to walk away and take what I did have and try to lead a quiet life for a while.

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    MSNBC (none / 0) (#76)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 09:17:08 AM EST
    reported same thing about non-approval of main office.  Everyone's throwing up their hands and claiming there's no legal way out of this seems like learned helplessness to me.  Let's get a look at the contracts, by-laws, etc.

    Obama admin has refused to provide additional $30 billion until bonuses go away.  Someone will now find a legal out, IMO -- perhaps the 'force majeure' suggested above or impossibility of performance?

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    It is my understanding (none / 0) (#40)
    by eric on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:42:36 PM EST
    that these bonuses ARE going to upper management.  That is the problem.

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    I believe that's not right (none / 0) (#86)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 11:20:56 AM EST
    Upper level management at AIG now are either dollar-a-year guys like Liddy or have long since agreed to forego bonuses.  The people on the upper levels of the Financial Products Group, which is what this current flap is about, who were due to get big bonuses were jawboned by Treasury and the Fed months ago to accept much smaller ones.

    BTW, according to that Wapo article, these bonuses have been known about for something like a year already and Treasury has been working on paring them down and also looking for legal avenues to cancel them for some time.

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    "what we've got here... (none / 0) (#14)
    by magster on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:34:02 PM EST
    ... is a failure to considerate."  Isn't that the famous line? :)

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    Huh? (none / 0) (#13)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:33:41 PM EST
    Incompetent? They scammed the government out of $170,000,000,000.

    Seems like the bonuses are well deserved.

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    Bush expedience writ large (none / 0) (#19)
    by denise k on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:44:04 PM EST
    If there was an quick, sloppy, crony-advancing way to do something and a difficult, effective, fair way to do something, Bush always, always chose the former over the latter.  This is just such an example.  They saw a crisis and decided to fix it by throwing money at their friends with no thought to oversight of those same buddies.  Insofar, I think calls to get Geithner out of there and let someone with clean hands fix this mess, are exactly right.  He is complicit in this mess and should not be in charge of fixing it.  It is like putting the fox in charge of the henhouse.

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    looking for reasons (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by christinep on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:37:47 PM EST
    Maybe I'm being stubborn or thick-headed, but it seems a bit early to me to conclude that there is no legal way out of the supposed contractual "obligation." And, perhaps I've missed the precise language of the "obligation"...?  I'm intrigued by the concept (and reality) of the "conscionable" argument referenced above. Depending on the date and circumstances surrounding the contractual "obligation," I wonder if there was anything "beond the pale" (unconscionable?) in what a regulated financial institution could agree to? What about the possibility that the agreement might have been premised upon knowing violation of (reckless disregard) of fiduciary duties? If the financial institutions and those related acted outside the bounds of fiduciary expectations (roughly translated: knew or should have known about the fairy-tale nature of many derivatives as securities), wouldn't there be a compelling equitable argument to view the "obligation" as void ab initio?  Also: On a more political note, the fox/henhouse argument above may be touching Geithner.

    Parent
    When someone is sued (none / 0) (#67)
    by NYShooter on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 08:27:33 PM EST
    he/she has one of two choices: pay, or litigate. The Company could have simply said, "We're not going to pay; sue us!"

    Let a judge and/or decide.  


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    Jury trial? (none / 0) (#77)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 09:18:33 AM EST
    I'd like to see the case tried by a jury here in the U.S.!  Jury nullification anyone?

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    This: (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Maryb2004 on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:20:23 PM EST
    So if the AIG does not have a good faith basis for breaching its obligations here, it is exposing itself to claims for double the amounts due plus attorneys fees.

    How many years of litigation are we talking about to get to that point?

    And at that point either the crisis will be over and AIG can pay or AIG will be gone.

    I say breach the contracts.

    Agreed (none / 0) (#70)
    by connecticut yankee on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 12:07:00 AM EST
    And the best case?  

    The executives in question are long dead before they see a nickel.

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    If the government has the power to deny (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by magster on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:22:01 PM EST
    the aid necessary to keep AIG afloat outside of Chapter 11 bankruptcy (where the bonuses would not be paid according to Reich), then the government has a lot of leverage to force greatly reduced bonuses.

    Avoidance (none / 0) (#15)
    by denise k on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:35:40 PM EST
    They could probably get the money back after it has been paid out if they forced AIG into Chapter 11 through avoidance powers.  

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    Extortion (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by denise k on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:31:00 PM EST
    It would seem to me that there is a complete failure of consideration for the retention contracts when it comes to adding value to the company.  Without the US government, they would have NO money.  
     

    Another good one (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by eric on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:32:43 PM EST
    failure of consideration, indeed.

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    There's probably still reliance (none / 0) (#16)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:37:12 PM EST
    in alternative to consideration. But that probably wouldn't require 100% performance by AIG. So the to-be-bonused employees had better start installing pools and buying expensive stuff. . .

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    Query... (none / 0) (#78)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 09:19:56 AM EST
    what is the status of employee bonus payments under Bankruptcy Code in a Chapter 11 or Chapter 7?

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    The "Connecticut law makes us do it" (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by scribe on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:46:55 PM EST
    issue is likely a big, fat red herring.  

    The banksters who did all these CDO and CDS deals were headquartered and worked in London.  

    England.  

    Not Connecticut.

    They were located there quite deliberately - So they could take advantage of the even-more-relaxed regulatory environment in England.

    AIG is attempting an argument to present itself as some sort of white knight for workers when, in reality, they are just to the point of the street hustler/junkie who will literally say anything so long as it gets him his fix of money.  

    AIG's argument is transparent bullsh*t.


    You've Just Opened Up Another.. (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by santarita on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:05:30 PM EST
    Kettle of Fish...

    The laws of what jurisdiction apply?   Do English laws apply to the English subsidiary (the one that contained the wild ones)?  What are the English laws regarding denying compensation?  My general sense is that Europeans tend to be much more protective of employees than here.  

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    Can I Take My Reply Back? (none / 0) (#33)
    by santarita on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:20:50 PM EST
    I just read AIG's argument.  They say the compensation arrangements are subject to Connecticut law and England, Japan and another country have agreed to that jurisdiction's law governing.  

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    I read yesterday (none / 0) (#79)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 09:21:52 AM EST
    that AIG had reviewed U.K. law over last couple of months to determine if bonuses had to be paid and concluded they did.  Seems to be a different jurisdiction a day -- bets on the next one?

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    Yes, Yes, Yes... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by santarita on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:00:43 PM EST
    How does a company the size of AIG go off the cliff without some officers and directors being asleep at the wheel.

    Well said (5.00 / 0) (#32)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:20:21 PM EST
    Thank you.

    "Good Faith"? (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Radix on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:48:26 PM EST
    Wouldn't the fact that some of these employee's, London Branch especially, are really bad at their jobs, count as a Good Faith basis for not paying them bonuses?

    There is an exemption (none / 0) (#2)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:15:13 PM EST
    Withholding of part of wages. (Sec. 31-71e). No employer may withhold or divert any portion of an employee's wages unless (1) the employer is required or empowered to do so by state or federal law, or (2) the employer has written authorization from the employee for deductions on a form approved by the commissioner, or (3) the deductions are authorized by the employee, in writing, for medical, surgical or hospital care or service, without financial benefit to the employer and recorded in the employer's wage record book, or (4) the deductions are for contributions attributable to automatic enrollment, as defined in section 2 of this act, in a retirement plan described in Section 401(k), 403(b), 408, 408A, or 457 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, or any subsequent corresponding internal revenue code of the United States, as from time to time amended, established by the employer.

    Link

    So, couldn't Congress now pass a law?  Or would that be considered ex post facto, even though the bonuses haven't been paid out?

    Here's an idea... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:43:51 PM EST
    don't pay the bonuses, and let AIG die the death they should have died in the marketplace in the courtroom instead...make the employees sue for the bonuses and bankrupt this fraud of a company that way.  If they are too big to fail, lets see if they are too big to be bankrupted by litigation as well.

    As long as we insist on using... (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:19:02 PM EST
    perp walks, jumpsuits, chains, and cages...I can't think of any better candidates in the property crime racket than the Three Piece Mafia.

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    BTD - you make the funny so well. (none / 0) (#20)
    by scribe on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:45:02 PM EST
    I invite all the readers to go look at a thread on this site from earlier this afternoon. And particularly the comment thread.
    (#20)  (#29)  (#51)  (#57)  (#60) (#62)  (#66)  (#23)  (#39)  (#41)  (#55)  (#56)  (#58) (#59)

    The sub-thread of #20-23-39-41 is even more amusing, viz.:

    The problem is a little (or a lot) (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by scribe on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 12:05:31 PM EST

    more subtle than that.
    It appears that in doing the CDO and CDS deals, AIG wrote into them that failing to pay bonuses to their employees would constitute an instance of default.
    In other words, not paying their employees "their" bonuses would be the same as not paying off on the insurances the actual instruments were selling.
    Seeing the employment contracts is only a part - likely a small part - of the problem.  I say small because it would seem they spent a lot of time and effort writing into the actual deals all sorts of guarantees to make sure that regardless of anything else, their personal pockets were lined and lined well.

    You have a link for that? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 12:08:55 PM EST
    That seems impossible to me.

    AIG put it out in their own (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by scribe on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 12:26:09 PM EST
    "White paper" explaining why, as noted and analyzed here. [NB, the link immediately preceding links to and analyzes the very same white paper BTD's talking about.]
    The thing is, in drafting a contract, you can contract for just about anything to be an event (or incident) of default.  So, to make sure they got their bonuses, they drafted it in.  If the other guy agrees to it, it's a contract.  

    That is utterly unconvincing (none / 0) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 12:30:13 PM EST
    as an argument. It does not even make sense.
    I need more than that to believe the argument.

    And then we can look in wonderment at BTD having done a 180 (or more) in the space of an hour.

    Less facetiously, the whole "Connecticut law" issue is likely a big, fat red herring.  The banksters who did all these CDO and CDS deals were headquartered and worked in London.  England.  Not Connecticut. So they could take advantage of the even-more-relaxed regulatory environment in England.

    AIG is attempting an argument to present itself as some sort of white knight for workers when, in reality, they are just to the point of the street hustler/junkie who will literally say anything so long as it gets him his fix of money.  It's transparent bullsh*t.

    [NB  Because BTD gets thin-skinned sometimes, I'll post the last part of this comment again, separately, so the point on Connecticut law does not get lost in the fulminatin'.]

    Now Now Scribe (none / 0) (#29)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:09:08 PM EST
    Gloating does not suit you..

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    You misunderstand (none / 0) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:14:58 PM EST
    Connecticut law was not the issue.

    The argument I criticize here is the issue.

    I suggest you did not understand what I meant in those comments. To wit, the threat of cross-defaults is not the legal rationale for honoring the retention bonus agreements, but rather Connecticut law.

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    Absence of home office authorization; Bankruptcy (none / 0) (#80)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 09:29:22 AM EST
    If such authorization in fact lacking, then contracts may be voidable?  

    Can the London 'unit' be put into Chapter 11?
    If it can, you will see how many experts will suddenly be found who understand the complex transactions.  

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    I would note (none / 0) (#23)
    by Steve M on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:58:07 PM EST
    that while I am not admitted to practice in Connecticut (even though I was working there all last week, go figure!) our laws here in New York read quite similar, but have been interpreted by the courts to not apply to highly-compensated managerial employees and the like.  So it may indeed be the same in Connecticut.

    Activist judges! ;-) (none / 0) (#24)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:59:26 PM EST
    Question is... (none / 0) (#81)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 09:30:24 AM EST
    what are "wages" under the Act cited, if indeed it is Connecticut law that applies.  

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    But seriously folks: (none / 0) (#35)
    by NY Spotlight on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:30:42 PM EST
    A couple of points:

    Most of these bonuses are going to a subsidiary corporation based in London.  How then does Connecticut law apply?

    The subsidiary -- which, in AIG's argument,  is clearly indicated to be a separate entity and not a mere division -- hasn't got the assets to pay these bonuses unless AIG downstreams the money.  And doing so is not the purpose for which the US  government made the money available.

    And as for non-payment triggering a default in other agreements, there are at least two avenues that ought to be looked at.  First, if AIG were tossed into, or elected, to file for bankruptcy, so-called automatic default triggers are disarmed.  Second, in some states there is a procedure for suspending (by TRO) the operation of disputed default clauses, pending judicial determination of the related dispute.  (In NY, this is commonly called a "Yellowstone injunction".)  So there's plenty of room for creative lawyering, if there's a will to do so.  

    Connecticut law applies... (none / 0) (#37)
    by santarita on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:37:16 PM EST
    by contract according to AIG.

    As to creative lawyering, I agree - pursue all avenues.  Some avenues, like bankruptcy, may lead into an  alley where there are a lot of guys with sharp knives.

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    Connecticut Law Issue is De Minimis.. (none / 0) (#36)
    by santarita on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:35:03 PM EST
    when compared to the threat of cross-defaults on the various CDS and guaranties.  So what if AIG (aka US Government) has to pay penalities if it blocks pay without legal basis for doing so?  We are talking only about $320 million (not chump change for sure but doable).  If the various counterparties and their counterparties and their counterparties invoke the provisions allowing for declaration of default, the potential loss is in the billions, if not a trillion plus.  
    The provision that AIG claims is the trigger is one that talks about failure to pay obligations in excess of $25 million (their paper doesn't make it clear whether it is in the aggregate but I'd assume so).  

    As to whether or not one of the many counterparties might actually invoke that clause and start the cascade of other defaults and endless collateral calls, and whether or not the invocation of the clause would be litigated, I don't know.  But I'm not so good at playing "Chicken".  There may be parties out there that care not a whit about what their invocation of those clauses do but are more concerned with getting out while the getting is good.  Who knows?

    Uncle Sam just says (none / 0) (#41)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:43:26 PM EST
    "Party's over, we won't pay anything." Uncle Sam always wins at chicken.

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    If Uncle Sam was the only big... (none / 0) (#44)
    by santarita on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 04:01:22 PM EST
    power involved, I'd agree with you.  But I think Uncle Sam is worried about some of his equals in other countries (China, Japan, etc.)

    Something that might be on the horizon, perhaps, is an international agreement about these toxic CDS.

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    What are China and Japan (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 04:09:01 PM EST
    going to do about it?

    Pound sand.

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    Japan Maybe... (none / 0) (#48)
    by santarita on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 04:11:52 PM EST
    but China????

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    Start a war (none / 0) (#49)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 04:14:47 PM EST
    because the U.S. Government doesn't back up a private insurance company?

    Eff them if they do that.

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    Let em try it (none / 0) (#43)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:52:44 PM EST
    Would never happen.

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    Never Say Never... (none / 0) (#45)
    by santarita on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 04:03:27 PM EST
    Uncle Sam bought $50 billion worth of CDO's from counterparties in September in order to prevent the cascading cross-defaults on the credit default swaps.

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    Say never (none / 0) (#73)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:39:13 AM EST
    Will not happen.

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    Wages Aren't The Same As Bonuses (none / 0) (#50)
    by john horse on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 04:29:05 PM EST
    The Wage Act provides for the recovery of double damages and attorneys' fees when wages are improperly withheld and the employer's refusal to pay wages lacks a good faith basis. (Conn. Gen. Stat. §31-72.)

    Where I come from wages are different than bonuses. I know this in part because this year my employer did not provide any bonuses due to the economic situation.  Here is the dictionary definition of bonus:

    1. something given or paid over and above what is due.
    1. a sum of money granted or given to an employee, a returned soldier, etc., in addition to regular pay, usually in appreciation for work done, length of service, accumulated favors, etc.
    2. something free, as an extra dividend, given by a corporation to a purchaser of its securities.

    In my opinion the law cited cannot be used.
       

    Retention payments of this nature (none / 0) (#52)
    by Green26 on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 05:46:39 PM EST
    are in fact wages under the statute, according to case law in Connecticut and reasonable interpretation thereof. The case is cited in the white paper.

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    BINGO! (none / 0) (#62)
    by hairspray on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 06:25:49 PM EST
    Conn courts have said different (none / 0) (#72)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 03:38:43 AM EST
    Start throwing these guys in jail (none / 0) (#53)
    by SOS on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 05:50:54 PM EST
    Grow some b_ _ _ _ for a change already.

    If you read the white paper, you will see (none / 0) (#56)
    by Green26 on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 06:10:24 PM EST
    various strong reasons for AIG not to default on the payments.

    What kind of message will be sent if the US forces or causes AIG to default under contracts, including employment contracts? Companies will not trust the US and will shy away from doing business with companies influenced or owned by the US.

    The statute provides for double recovery of wages plus attorneys fees. It looks like claims could be brought in non-US jurisdictions. Does AIG/US want to risk that?

    Not paying the amounts may allow employees to sue and recover for constructive discharge or wrongful termination? Does AIG/US want to pay to defend claims like that, and risk additional recovery.

    AIG derivative and structured transactions have default provisions that may allow counterparties to terminate those agreements in the event AIG defaults. There are several hundred billions of dollars of these transactions. Is this a risk worth taking, if some third party wants to use this default to get out of their contacts?

    Hedging of the AIG portfolio is very important and relatively complicated. AIG needs its knowledgeable people to oversee and do this work. In the interest rate book, a .01% movement in interest rate can change the portfolio value by $700 million if the related hedge is not done properly.  

    The AIG portfolio contains very complex transactions that are difficult to understand and manage. Replacing knowledgeable traders and risk managers would not be practical on a large scale, according to AIG.

    Departures from AIG could lead to further regulatory problems for AIG.

    The AIG team is working to wind down its Financial Products risks. This has been going fairly well, according to AIG. Does the US want to disrupt this process?

    The reactions of politicians, the press, posters, and others who know little or nothing about business (and contracts) are interesting. In my view, this reveals in spades why politicians and governments generally don't have the ability to run companies or business.


    The US invests (none / 0) (#63)
    by Green26 on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 06:34:20 PM EST
    $170 billion in a very important, risky and complicated company, has the right to own 80% of the company, and bring in a new CEO--and then runs off the employees needed to run the company by refusing to pay the retention and other bonuses that the company used to keep employees around to run the business.

    Like I said, that reveals why the government is not capable of running a business, at least one like this.

    If I had invested $170 billion in a company, I would be working hard to keep, hire and retain qualified employees.

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    There are probably (none / 0) (#82)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 17, 2009 at 09:36:47 AM EST
    many others who could unwind these complex transactions and do so in the exercise of good faith and without breach of fiduciary duty.  When arguments are based on "AIG" says, I am highly doubtful.  Perhpas the AIG employees currently claimed to be involved in unwinding the complex transactions are taking the slow boat to China, as U.S. taxpayers pay their salaries and bonuses.

    It's time to stop relying on information from AIG and examine the docs.  I hope Cuomo gets all the paperwork.

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    Bush Administration and now the Obama ... (none / 0) (#64)
    by santarita on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 06:44:52 PM EST
    Administration have not done a very good job of explaining what is going on with AIG or the big banks and why they are doing what they are doing.  I give Bernanke and Geithner credit for trying by appearing on 60 minutes and Charlie Rose.  But they need to do more of that.  For example, why can't they explain to the American people the global implications of triggering defaults on CDS?  

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    Forced? (none / 0) (#60)
    by NYShooter on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 06:25:19 PM EST
    "Gary Crittenden, Citigroup's chief financial officer, didn't rule out the need for even more capital, either from the private sector or government. In a conference call, Crittenden acknowledged that Citi could be forced to raise more money based on the result of its stress test."

    Could the bonuses be taxed at a higher rate? (none / 0) (#69)
    by Manuel on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 11:03:30 PM EST
    Can a tax law be passed at the city, state, or federal level that would tax these ill gotten gains at the 90% or so rate?