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    Interesting (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by Steve M on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:30:17 PM EST
    The Economic Policy Institute released a study last Friday debunking the typical explanations for America's declining manufacturing sector. The usual story goes something like this: greedy unions are bleeding our domestic corporations dry with unreasonably inflated wages, making their employers uncompetitive in today's globalized economy and provoking capital flight. But Josh Bivens argues that blue-collar workers are one of the few factors not dragging down the U.S. manufacturing economy. Our workers are paid less and produce more than most of our rivals, which should give us a leg up on the competition. Instead, U.S. manufacturing is being undercut by the "grossly overvalued U.S. dollar" that forces up the price of American goods overseas while keeping foreign-made goods cheap at home. Since 1999, the disproportionate value of the dollar has created a 10 to 16 percent competitive labor disadvantage for U.S. industry when compared to the previous decade. Other detrimental factors include the astronomical costs of American health care and managerial pay that is 134 percent higher than the wages of the workers they supervise.

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    only 134% more for managers? (none / 0) (#2)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:38:23 PM EST
    That's practically socialist!

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    Katrina has a question... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:48:41 PM EST
    Katrina Vanden Heuvel that is, editor of The Nation. Here's her column: Don't Bleed Resources in Afghanistan.

    She asks a good question:

    What's troubling is that Obama, who wisely ordered a fundamental review of US options in that country, is sending troops without even waiting for the review process to conclude. Although Obama insisted in his statement that "this troop increase does not pre-determine the outcome of that strategic review," why not wait for the results of a comprehensive review that, if conducted honestly, may well determine that the Administration should take military escalation off the table in favor of a non-military regional strategy to stabilize Afghanistan and strengthen Pakistan?

    I'm sorry, but that gives me flashbacks of people asking why Bush didn't wait for the results of the UN weapons inspections before he invaded Iraq. I'm not saying it's the same, although it feels pretty familiar.

     

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    Because the review is going to rubber stamp (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:51:17 PM EST
    what has already been decided.

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    I hope not. (none / 0) (#9)
    by atdleft on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:58:34 PM EST
    This may sound cliche, but that doesn't sound like change I can believe in.

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    Well, it's sorta what (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by andgarden on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 09:08:43 PM EST
    he said he was going to do on the campaign trail (where I recall that he also voiced his disdain for blue ribbon panels).

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    Yep, it does feel familiar... (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by atdleft on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:54:17 PM EST
    Too familiar for me to rest easily on this. While I don't think we should ignore the Afghanistan-Pakistan-Taliban mess, I'm wondering why we must leap to conclude that military attack is the only option.

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    Do you think that Obama (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:56:50 PM EST
    has explained the new policy?
    Starting or ramping up a war is NOT a "trust me" moment, IMO.

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    That's the problem. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by atdleft on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 09:01:46 PM EST
    We really need to think more about it and see what other options are on the table (or should be on the table) before escalating the war in Afghanistan.

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    With the recent (none / 0) (#22)
    by weltec2 on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:12:36 PM EST
    increase in Taliban activities, he may be respoinding to his generals' pleas for help. With suicide rates climbing among our troops, I don't know if a new war venue for them is the answer.

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    That is socialist... (none / 0) (#95)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 09:49:03 AM EST
    wealth redistribution...only in reverse.

    Take from the poor and give to the rich...aka reverse Robin Hood where the Sheriff of Nautingham is the hero and the Band of Merry Men are lazy union peasants trying to take advantage:)

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    Many thanks (none / 0) (#59)
    by cal1942 on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:16:31 PM EST
    for the link Steve M.  Oustanding article.  

    Also on that site there is a link to an article that highlights the serious flaws of free trade authored by a veteran trade negotiator.

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    For those of us in the northeast (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by andgarden on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:50:16 PM EST
    there's about a month to go until we're likely to have a spring thaw. I already notice that the days are getting longer again, though.

    Meanwhile, Burrr(IS!).

    Brrr? (5.00 / 4) (#71)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:57:46 PM EST
    Geez.  It's a toasty 20-something here, a huge relief from the way most of the rest of the winter has gone.  We should be through (knock on wood) with the sub-zero stuff for the year, which is all I ask at this point.


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    And FYI (5.00 / 5) (#72)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:58:18 PM EST
    the days have been getting longer since December 21.

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    More seems to be coming out about Obama's SocSec (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by jawbone on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:59:33 PM EST
    "reform," about this "fiscal responsibility" summit -- scheduled for this coming Monday, February 23, followed on Tuesday by Obama's state-of-the-union-style speech.

    Now, if he uses that speech to set forth his plan to "change," "reform" SocSec, I foresee another round of dropping pubic confidence. Right now, for most Americans, SocSec is the single absolutely secure thing they can count on for their old age. Medicare, yes, but there are always unexpected expenses and co-pays for any healthcare services. So, yes, it't there, but may still be unaffordable. SocSec is paid into and is there for them. For us.

    Obama really wants to rock that boat at this time?

    Lambert at Corrente has a post up by Chris Bowers about what seems to be emerging about the SocSec Summit -- and tries to suss what the various reports mean. Who knows for sure? It's going to be sprung on us, but Obama did court the Blue Dogs and Repubs and they did say they felt they had someone in Obama they could work with to "fix" SocSec.

    Yeah, "fix" as in "neuter"...?

    Digby and Jane Hamsher also are very concerned.

    Wow.. this is one case where (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 09:04:03 PM EST
    I would hate to be right.
    My theory about Obama's appeal to the right was that he would end SS as we know it(more or less) to get GOP cooperation in other areas.

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    And so am I! (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by atdleft on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 09:05:12 PM EST
    http://clintonistasforobama.blogspot.com/2009/02/action-alert-tell-obama-to-keep-his.html

    We need to turn up the heat on President Obama NOW to urge him to keep the promise he made to us. He works for us, not for wacko GOP billionaires or market fundamentalist "think tanks".

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    I can't think of anything that, at this (5.00 / 6) (#16)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 09:30:11 PM EST
    stage and at this time, with anxiety levels rising, would be worse for public confidence in the economy and the future than to start any kind of campaign to reform, change, or otherwise "fix" Social Security.

    As it is, people who have been depending on their IRA's and 401(k)'s to supplement their Social Security, and who have seen those retirement funds plummet and the minimum distributions shrink, must be horrified that the one thing they can count on might become as unstable and tenuous as the funds they set aside years ago and hoped would grow into a nice little nest egg.

    There is so much uncertainty right now and for the forseeable future that I cannot, for the life of me, understand why this is something that has to be tinkered with now.

    Argh.

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    speaking of Jane H (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by DFLer on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 09:32:36 PM EST
    she was interviewed on MSNBC's 1600 Penn Ave by David Schuster tonight...very cool. She took down Rep. Kantor (sp.?) a peg or two.

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    And Social Security (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by cal1942 on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:10:45 PM EST
    is the first alarm that went off for me regarding Obama.

    He created an issue that had already been laid to rest after the 2005 attack on Social Security.

    There was absolutely no reason for anyone sincere about retaining the benefit structure of Social Security to even mention the word Social Security.

    If he seeks to destroy Social Security he'll go down in history as Judas Maximus, the betrayer of the American people.

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    It was so out of right field that it really scared (none / 0) (#119)
    by jawbone on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 04:53:15 PM EST
    me as to his beliefs and principles.

    But, the Big Bankster Boiz do need new sources of capital to play and gamble with, right?

    And the "financial system" must be saved and returned to working as it did before the Big Sh$t Pile Meltdown.

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    someone read the links from OpenLeft (none / 0) (#15)
    by Teresa on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 09:11:30 PM EST
    for me...my head is exploding. This could not be amended and can't be filibustered if they agree to it??

    I wish Jim Cooper would go ahead and change parties.

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    given (none / 0) (#20)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:06:57 PM EST
    the demograhic pinch coming with the retirement of the Baby Boomers something (likely the lifting  of the payroll cap) doesn't something need to be done eventually? Could Obama push it off until the next admin- if we get lucky the problem can be put off until a Republican is forced to make cuts, then we can blame it on them.

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    Worry not, we're not retiring soon (5.00 / 7) (#23)
    by Cream City on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:13:25 PM EST
    with this economy, with the losses in our pension funds, home investment, etc.  My spouse is past 65 but will be working until at least 70.  At least he'll get little raises in the private sector.  My gov just announced that I'm not getting a raise for at least two years -- when I hoped to retire early, too soon for Social Security but at least to have some good years with my spouse.  Now I won't be able to do so, either, for years to come.

    A bigger worry may be all the jobs that won't open up for a younger generation, since we're not leaving anytime soon now . . . and in a field where mass retirements were expected.  I'm hearing from every boomer I know that we're staying put -- we have to do so.

    Take away Social Security, and we'll just have to stay in the job market longer.  Yes, we can.

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    Staying in the workplace longer is (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 07:29:09 AM EST
    tough....for babyboomers who lost their job, or need to return after trying early retirement are not the employer's choice for hiring.

    I'm trying to think of a good business to start where I can employ only people over 60. Give flex hours and profit sharing and plenty of vacation time.

    We are stuck with Obama's attitude on SS for the next 4 years, but we can certainly write to our congressional representatives to share our opinions. Can't think of any of those who shrugged off our votes in favor of winning on the votes of the young people who hate paying into the system. Obviously, the SDs weren't listening to the message of his campaign, 'cause they know where their own votes come from. I'm doubting the youngsters will go to the polls in historical numbers again in 2010.  Then, maybe he'll be talking about reinstating the draft next.

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    My experience is different.... (none / 0) (#88)
    by ding7777 on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 08:11:45 AM EST
    I know boomers who have retired from full-time jobs after 30 years (and before retirement age) with pensions/401k's.

    They are not looking for full-time employment... only part-time - to help pay health insurance and because of boredom.

    Since there are so many boomers reaching age 62 (3.6 million per year), there will be a story for each circumstance.

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    Sure, that was my spouse's plan (none / 0) (#101)
    by Cream City on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 10:34:06 AM EST
    when he retired the first time.  But they oughta check closely on their pension funds and retirement accounts now.  His company pulled back on many promises, and thus we went to Plan B: Back to work.

    Btw, our work is considered parttime, since we're college teachers.  That is, we are classified as "seasonal workers," like migrants -- no unemployment comp or other such safety nets. . . .

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    Nope! (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by Steve M on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:27:27 PM EST
    Social Security is far, far healthier than the federal balance sheet as a whole.  If we fix and grow the economy to the point where we want to be, there is no reason to think that Social Security will have to be tweaked one bit.  And if we don't fix the economy, there will be far greater things to worry about than Social Security.

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    Please let Goolsbee know. (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 12:31:36 AM EST
    Froma Harrop had a great column (none / 0) (#83)
    by suzieg on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 02:34:10 AM EST
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/6261418.html

    titled: "Stop telling lies about the threats to Social Security

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    Remember when Bush lied and no one would publish (none / 0) (#118)
    by jawbone on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 04:51:29 PM EST
    the words "lie, lying" in connection with BushBoy?

    Refreshing to see a headline like that.+

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    Nothing is (5.00 / 4) (#73)
    by cal1942 on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 12:09:02 AM EST
    needed regarding Social Security for a few more years.  Even then a simple raise of FICA withholding cap would preserve current benefit level calculation for something like 75 years.

    The real joke about 'fiscal responsibility' is that the "reformers" would be irresponsible to the level of grand theft.

    The fact is that most current retirees and the overwhelming majority of current non-retired workers have been putting EXTRA money into Social Security since 1983.

    The "reformers" propose to steal every last dime of EXTRA money. Money that rightfully belongs to American workers.

    A monumental betrayal.

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    If the cap is lifted (none / 0) (#93)
    by BobTinKY on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 09:45:55 AM EST
    a progressive rate structure must also be implemented.  

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    If the cap is lifted (none / 0) (#94)
    by BobTinKY on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 09:46:55 AM EST
    a progressive rate structure must also be implemented.  

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    If Afghanistan... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Salo on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:00:58 PM EST
    Goes tits up (good historical bet) Obama's name will live in infamy. All his kossian propagandists are also out in full force today. One even said, in responce to protests about the coming offensive, that "should we just hand the Taliban the abomb." what utterly disgraceful disgusting turd like arguments these apologists are making.

    I' sorry (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:11:08 PM EST
    but who was the no-war in Afghanistan option last year (other than Kucinich)- furthermore I think you need to realize that everyone even outside the Obama supporters there were those who back Afghanistan- it has and had a far wider spectrum of support than Iraq.

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    Sling her oil (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Salo on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:21:55 PM EST
    I continually pointed out that Obama was hot for escalating in Afghanistan. Those dishonest halfwits shut down the debate on Afghanistan in the summer of 2007.  All to protect his vote among low info peaceniks.

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    Obama was the most hawkish (4.60 / 5) (#25)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:23:08 PM EST
    Democrat in the primaries.

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    His peace cred is all based on (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Salo on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:30:37 PM EST
    Hotair. McCain even reinforced the illusion. One speech that no one even saw...and he's mistaken for an olive branch. LOL.

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    Oh (5.00 / 0) (#32)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:35:55 PM EST
    right okay, what color is the sky in your world- I have to ask because this is delusional- Obama was far less hawkish than Hillary, to pretend otherwise is to believe a fiction- Obama was less progressive on Domestic issues but substantially more so on Foreign Policy.

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    Sorry, I looked at the candidates (2.33 / 3) (#34)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:40:43 PM EST
    closely. To give an example: Hillary is the ONLY candidate of either party who had a proposal which would take preemptive strikes against Iran off the table. Obama said many, many times that he might bomb Iran.
    I don't remember Hillary promising to invade Pakistan either.
    What really was sickening was when that b** Samantha Power wrote and op-ed in Aug. 2007 accusing Hillary of being open to using nuclear bombs on civilians in Pakistan.
    Jeezus!
    Look, Obama was a skillfully sleazy campaigner, and he's President now, but there is just  no WAY you  can't see what a hawk he is now.

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    I respectfully suggest (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by Steve M on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:53:51 PM EST
    that that word ought to be off limits whether or not you choose to bleep it out.  It's not cool.

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    It was less cool for Power (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:11:18 PM EST
    to charge Hillary with considering using nuclear weapons on civilians, IMHO.


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    Sure (5.00 / 5) (#56)
    by Steve M on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:13:06 PM EST
    but the facts in that case speak for themselves.  You weaken your point by stooping to sexist invective.

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    fair enough (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:15:38 PM EST
    Judging POwer by that article alone, I would say she is a typical FP idiot.


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    You know (1.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:49:35 PM EST
    if you want to live in your little fantasy world wher e Obama won because he was a sleazy campaigner, and the person who refused to vote to ban Cluster Bombs and land Mines is somehow a woman of peace- where being against attacking Iran somehow isn't contradicted by support of Kyl-Lieberman then that's fine with me go live in your crazy world- hey maybe there Obama was the one who had a more comprehensive health care policy- after all we're projecting are wants on to canidates and ignoring objective reality right?  But if you think I'm going to sit here and let you call one of the most important voices for human rights within American foriegn policy a b** simply because you're a whiny scumbag you're sorely mistaken.  "That b* Samantha Power" wow hey, out of curiousity if I'd called Hillary "that b**" you'd be fine with that though right?

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    Please (5.00 / 4) (#40)
    by Steve M on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:53:03 PM EST
    suggesting that support for Kyl-Lieberman is the calling card of a hawk only establishes that you never bothered to dig beyond the campaign rhetoric.  People like you got played for fools on that issue.

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    Kyl-Lieberman (5.00 / 0) (#42)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:58:43 PM EST
    Is at least as much evidence as was used by Salo above in his/her case to cast Obama as the "most hawkish" Dem, while its problematic to suggest that it means she wanted war with Iran due to said  vote, its not a stretch to see it as part of a pattern of choices, which when taken as a whole reveal Hillary as the more Hawkish of two between Obama and Hillary.

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    Well (5.00 / 4) (#47)
    by Steve M on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:07:59 PM EST
    Salo seems to come from a perspective where pretty much everyone is a hawk, although I didn't see where he argued that Obama was the most hawkish Dem.

    But I think the fact that Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton occupy the top two foreign policy spots in the Obama Administration is pretty much rock-solid proof that the guy is a mainstream Democrat on matters of foreign policy, period.  Whatever words or sound bites or tilts of the head that people latched onto in the primary are of no moment now.

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    Biden sends chills up my spine. (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Salo on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:21:35 PM EST
    Obama ought take bidens councel and proceed to do the opposite.  No Steve I'm simply against escalation in Afghanistan. My granfather fought there in 1920s.  It's a fake micromilitary theatre.

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    Rock-Solid (none / 0) (#126)
    by Samuel on Thu Feb 19, 2009 at 11:00:58 AM EST
    What do you mean democrat on matters of foreign policy?  Dems have a very hawkish record - you know, only human being in history to order an a-bomb attack was a Dem, Vietnam, Bosnia...Afghanistan again.  That's a lot of bodies.

    Regardless of what he indicated in his campaign he is violating the rights of Afghanis.  He cannot choose to whether or not to risk their lives for their freedom - that is not his right.

    We train Osama on how to defeat the Soviets by allowing war profiteers to destroy economies.  Then we get provoked by the guy we trained.  Now we've been over there - the same country as the Soviets - since 2001.  Either Obama realizes this and is complicit in war profiteering - or he's the most oblivious man on the planet.  Maybe there's a third option...  

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    I didn't say he was most hawkish (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Salo on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:10:45 PM EST
    And you can't read.   Biden was the most hawkish IMO.  Biden was contemptibly xenophobic inthe run up to the two wars. My main disappointment is with the rather cheap prostitution that left has engaged in with obviously warrish pols.

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    I'm the one who said Obama (none / 0) (#57)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:13:15 PM EST
    was most hawkish. Honestly, I wasn't thinking about Biden, who never had a chance.. but out of Edwards, Obama and Hillary, Obama was slightly more hawkish. Certainly he was no dove.

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    Obama's vote on K-L (5.00 / 4) (#70)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:44:50 PM EST
    was also quite revealing of his character---and yes, I know he didn't vote.
    I also know that he was informed the night before of the impending vote and chose to skip it.

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    Look, Power leveled an (none / 0) (#49)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:08:41 PM EST
    extremely inflammatory charge at Hillary (and other purveyors of "conventional wisdom") in that article. If YOU think it's progressive to charge another Democrat with being open to using nuclear weapons on civilians, then I have no respect for you opinion. Furthermore, what I called her for that attack is quite polite.
    I freely admit that I do not know her academic oeurvre. Nor do I know Condi Rice's, for that matter. However, in both cases, I have made judgments based on what I have read.

    Overall, her piece on "CW" was just bizarre.
    The run-up to the Iraq war showed a clear split in foreign policy thinking---there was no agreement at ALL that invading Iraq was a good idea.
    Now, maybe in the cczy, insular circles she runs with, everyone that invading Iraq was a great idea, but not in the public sphere.


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    Among (none / 0) (#63)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:23:13 PM EST
    the DLC type Dems invading Iraq was CW.

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    Among people like Obama then? (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:24:02 PM EST
    Lol

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    Obama (none / 0) (#66)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:28:25 PM EST
    was always more of a Dean new Dem than a Clinton DLC type, domestically he's never been as far to the left as ai would like but in terms of Foriegn Policy he in large part avoided the "appear as tough as the GOP or lose" trap that virtually every post-McGovern dem with ambitions for national office fell into.

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    Hey, give me a 1, or make an (none / 0) (#37)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:43:00 PM EST
    argument, but don't whine AND give me a 1---it's bad style.

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    your right (none / 0) (#39)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:52:34 PM EST
    my bad, 1s should be reserved for either vulgarities or outright slander, your opinion mistaken as it may have been is simply your opinion.

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    Um (none / 0) (#33)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:37:30 PM EST
    Obama was no more or less pro-Afghan war then any other canidate outside of Kucinich.

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    Obama made switching to (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:41:41 PM EST
    Afghanistan for war there a centerpiece of his foreign policy platform. No other candidate gave the idea the same prominence.

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    Second that. n/t (none / 0) (#120)
    by jawbone on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 04:56:27 PM EST
    Ordinary voters are actually shocked. (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by Salo on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:27:07 PM EST
    He was billed as a man of peace.  I was repeatedly told to shut up when I pointed out his actual plans in Afghanistan. By fellow cossacks and ordinary voters. Escalation  will probably be ruinous. It's not only his own funeral he's ready to bury tens of thousands more with him.  

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    Um (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:41:25 PM EST
    once again Obama was always clear about his plan in Afghanistan- the reason no one could attack him from the left on it was that no major canidate was substantially to the left of him on Foreign Policy, in fact of the canidates for the Democratic nomination Kucinich was the only one who could be said to have been to Obama's left in terms of Foreign Policy.

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    And he chose HRC as SOS - Chief Diplomat (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by aeguy on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:09:09 PM EST
    So he must not believe the rhetoric of his supporters (and sometimes himself) that Clinton is "hawkish".

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    Ordinary... (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by Salo on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:16:50 PM EST
    ...voters do not listen to candidates. They listen to the candidates oponent. They listen to the narrative that pundits spin.  Obama was billed as a man of peace.  If you are cool with a Vietnam redux or indeed an Afghan redux speak now or hold your tongue.

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    Afghanistan (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:26:21 PM EST
    Is a complicated situation, unlike Iraq it was never a stable state, so its unclear what we can do, additionally, unlike Iraq Afghanistan was not a War of choice- it could be argued that we need to try and establish an Afghan state in order to prevent the conditions that gave rise to the Taliban in the first place.

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    You keep on saying that (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:34:11 PM EST
    Afghanistan is not a war of choice. You might want to think about that one some more.

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    Afghanistan was not a war of choice (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 12:35:01 AM EST
    We invaded Afghanistan with support of every major power in the world, in response to the Taliban's harboring and alliance with Al Queda, a terrorist group whihc was responsible for thousands of death's world wide most notable 3000+ dead on American soil on 9-11, no nation on Earth with the capacity to respond, would have allowed such an atrocity to go unanswered.

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    Only wars (5.00 / 4) (#80)
    by cal1942 on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 12:55:05 AM EST
    that are fought to preserve the nation are wars we are compelled to fight. I only count three in our history.

    Any other war is a war of choice.

    It's possible to support the invasion of Afghanistan and still recognize that it is in fact a war of choice.

    There were other ways of dealing with the criminals who killed our citizens, Afghanistan was no theat to our existence.  The choice to invade Afghanistan was a matter of approach not need.

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    War of Southern Secession? (none / 0) (#125)
    by Samuel on Thu Feb 19, 2009 at 10:44:17 AM EST
    Do you classify the South as being the just side or the North?  

    Just war's are not wars that preserve nations - they are wars of the oppressed against their oppressors.  

    What is the third war you're counting - revolutionary/war of southern secession...

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    To semi quote Vizzini (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:41:37 PM EST
    Don't fall victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous being, never get involved in a land war in Asia.

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    You have (none / 0) (#55)
    by Salo on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:12:31 PM EST
    Half a soul.

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    Wow---who said that? (none / 0) (#19)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:05:18 PM EST
    That comment gives me IBS, man.

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    Bill Clinton on Larry King tonight (5.00 / 7) (#26)
    by S on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:23:25 PM EST
    Bill Clinton was on Larry King tonight and the show will probably repeat on the weekend...what I found truly amazing is that in a few sentences in his usual logical and organized #1, #2, #3 method of communicating...Bill Clinton is able to explain and make the case for what Obama is trying to do with the stimulus bill BETTER than Obama has been able to do with two constant teleprompters, various press conferences and staged town halls and numerous tv appearances...truly amazing...

    Bill Clinton is a better at representing Obama's intentions and reasons in a simple conversational manner than Obama is able to do for himself...

    ...eloquence and simple explanations flow from Bill...Obama is left to read from the teleprompter and go on and on and on...this is not an attack on obama...simply an honest observation...

    You're Right (5.00 / 7) (#30)
    by aeguy on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:33:11 PM EST
    Bill Clinton is the true communicator. Obama is a talker, an orator. Communication involves the effectively expressing ideas. Clinton is a master in this. He's able to explain things on an intuitive level. Despite Obama's hype, he is not much of a communication and he passed this stimulus with super majorities. There wasn't much persuasion to do.

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    Ummmm....this is a surprise to you? Bill Clinton, (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by Angel on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:33:18 PM EST
    Best. President. Evah.  

    He just has a way to articulate...anything.  Too bad he can't be President for Life.

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    true... (5.00 / 5) (#45)
    by S on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:06:09 PM EST
    I agree with you Angel...Bill connects all the dots when he communicates and he makes common sense out of complicated issues...

    ...and he continues doing his good works with his foundation...

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    And, he delivers a feeling (none / 0) (#86)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 07:39:59 AM EST
    we can relax; that he has things under control. Hillary has the same talent; in fact, she may actually be a little tiny bit better at it.

    I hope there comes a day soon when we get that from our President again.

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    You're bugging... (5.00 / 0) (#87)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 08:07:53 AM EST
    our prisons would explode in Clinton was pres. for life...more locked up for reefer under his tyrannical watch than any other president...evah!

    To hell with that.

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    Ha (none / 0) (#43)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:01:48 PM EST
    Haha ha ha ha ha, o god, that's a good one. Best. President. Ever> I mean come on that's just silly.  He was a good president, probably the best president since LBJ, but best president ever- that's ridiculous hyperbole.

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    Don't take everything so seriously (none / 0) (#44)
    by aeguy on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:05:25 PM EST
    And I would say he was the best since Eisenhower. Kennedy is overrated.

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    LBJ (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:08:35 PM EST
    gets a bum rap- the guy had more lasting impact domestically than basically every president since him combined.

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    C-SPAN Survery of Presidential Leadership (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by aeguy on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:10:33 PM EST
    Gave LBJ excellent marks. Ranked 11th overall. So I think he's getting his credit.

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    LBJ (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:33:12 PM EST
    also presided over the biggest build up and the most deaths of the Vietnam War. Let's not gloss over the ugly and get overly sentimental.

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    Should be in top 10 (none / 0) (#81)
    by cal1942 on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 01:07:09 AM EST
    Vietnam.... (none / 0) (#111)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 12:27:14 PM EST
    instant disqualification for LBJ...too heinous a crime to overlook.

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    What! (none / 0) (#76)
    by cal1942 on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 12:25:33 AM EST
    The Eisenhower Doll.  Wind it up and it does nothing for 8 years.

    I credit Eisenhower with telling his party to cram it when they wanted to roll back the New Deal, listened politely when his party's rabid right-wingers wanted to roll back eastern Europe, then ignored them. Cut military spending. All good stuff.

    But we can't really forget the three recessions during his watch.

    And, Ike also approved the CIA coup that overthrew Mossadegh [sp] and brought the Shah to power, financed the Muslim Brotherhood and a sleepy little religious group called Hamas.  He violated the Geneva accords that ended the Indo-China War setting the stage for the Vietnam war. Overthrew a legally elected government in Guatamala.  I could go on.  

    In short he set us up for some future misery.

    On balance Ike couldn't have carried Lyndon Johnson's jock strap.

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    True. (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by AX10 on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 10:01:58 AM EST
    Bill Clinton is a communicator.
    Obama is a talker.

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    PBS FRONTLINE on now (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by oldpro on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:07:08 PM EST
    "Inside the Meltdown."

    Serious folks might want to watch this...on TV or on line.

    Not as good as its promise (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 12:11:05 AM EST
    It's basically the same tick-tock the Times had a few days ago.

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    A little easier to follow for (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by oldpro on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 12:43:43 AM EST
    most people I think...sound and pictures, ya know.  It's usually the case that many peope like the book better than the movie.

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    Those following on the blogs, reading the lefty (none / 0) (#121)
    by jawbone on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 05:02:02 PM EST
    econ sites knew most of what was shown. I thought the principles, Bernanke, Paulson, Geithner got a tad lightly.

    I was a bit disappointed, but for someone trying to get up to speed, it was good background.

    I mentioned before I saw Michael Kirk on Charlie Rose and he seemed to be a little bit in awe of the major players.

    But, he did say, that when working on a follow on documentary, he had this moment when he realized no knew what to do.

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    Rudy Giuliani on Fox (5.00 / 3) (#75)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 12:12:56 AM EST
    tonight on the economy:

    "I ran New York City, took over New York City at a time of fiscal peril and crisis, and this is exactly the wrong approach.  The first thing you should do is to reduce expenditures.  And that would give confidence to the market. That would say economic discipline is being imposed.

    "If you've got an institution that's in trouble, the first thing you do is cut costs.  You don't add costs, at least not in a very unspecific way like this.  This is exactly the wrong way to turn around an ailing -- any kind of ailing institution."

    He literally appears not to understand the difference between a city budget and the economy.


    We should all be eternally (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by themomcat on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 02:04:50 AM EST
    grateful that Guiliani failed so miserably in his bid to become President. We can only hope he repeats that performance if he decides to run for Governor of NY.

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    Don't worry (none / 0) (#91)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 09:38:08 AM EST
    Qunnipiac has Cuomo beating Guiliani 51-37 (but Cuomo also beats Paterson 55-23 in a primary).

    Link

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    I consider (none / 0) (#108)
    by Samuel on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 11:54:02 AM EST
    him to be a total scumbag.  Nonetheless, what's the fundamental economic difference he's neglecting?  Are you talking about the right to print?

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    The party of hate... (5.00 / 0) (#92)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 09:39:41 AM EST
    ...just keeps rolling along...

    After syndicated columnist and TV commentator Michelle Malkin spoke at Tuesday's rally, she was besieged by people asking her to autograph protest signs and pose for photos.

    A man wearing a green fatigue jacket and sunglasses held up his camera to snap a shot of himself with Malkin. He was holding a sign with the name Obama in large, black block letters.

    And inside the letter O was a prominent, black swastika.

    I wasn't aware that the Queen of hate had moved from her gated community out East to the GOP haven that is the Springs.  Lucky us.  

    Malkin, who lives in Colorado Springs


    Had Malkin pegged from day one.... (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 10:03:03 AM EST
    she has got the crazy eyes man...I'm a firm believer in the crazy eyes theory.  

    Beware the crazy eyes.

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    Hillary At State (5.00 / 0) (#100)
    by daring grace on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 10:29:27 AM EST
    Ignore the provocative subtitle of this article about Secretary Clinton's State Department at the New Republic's Plank web site. There's just a little bit of the requisite gossipy behind the scenes speculations in this piece and a lot about the players involved and the strategies and ideas in play.

    It's interesting (and encouraging) to read what Hillary has in mind as her mission as SOS.

    Dripping with CDS, imo (none / 0) (#105)
    by squeaky on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 11:12:42 AM EST
    Hillary Clinton lacks the lengthy foreign policy resume of secretaries like Condoleezza Rice, [and Hilter]

    Also to go on and on about subcontracting seems unduly nasty. Obama clearly stated that he was going to rely less on career diplomats and instead appoint special envoys who would be in direct contact with him and Hillary.

    The whole piece suggests that Hillary as SOS will meet the same fate as her campaign, which he typifies as a disaster.

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    It's There, Sure (5.00 / 0) (#109)
    by daring grace on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 12:06:34 PM EST
    But so are these:

    "Considering the outsized personalities who have already joined Obama's diplomatic corps, this fear seems well-grounded. But Hillary has another, often-forgotten modus operandi on which she can fall back--that of her audacious 2000 run for Senate and her subsequent tenure on Capitol Hill, where her hard work and collegiality won near-unanimous accolades and endeared her to a skeptical institution."

    Also, it credits Clinton with the idea to assign special envoys (Mitchell and Holbrooke) to the Middle East, Afghanistan and Pakistan so that she can advance a long term agenda related to (for example) Asia, trade and currency issues, sustainable development, global public health, the environment, and empowerment of women.

    The article also says Clinton is "likely to elevate the oft-neglected posts of undersecretary for democracy and global affairs..."

    There is more content here from HRC allies and supporters than from detractors. In fact, it's mostly in the voice of the writer that the snarky attitude and opinions come out. But he parallels most of that with alternative reads like the one at the top of this post.

    I liked the article and recommended it here because I have encountered scant coverage of what Hillary might be doing/planning at State and this article illuminated some of that pretty well to me.

    If you've seen other coverage, I'd love to see it.

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    OK (none / 0) (#113)
    by squeaky on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 01:03:17 PM EST
    I read it differently. And as to the Mitchell and Holbrooke assignments he snarkily calls them subcontractors.

    Foreign Policy Magazine is really great, recently repackaged with an all star cast.

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    Thanks for the Tip (none / 0) (#117)
    by daring grace on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 01:57:41 PM EST
    I noted the subcontractors remark.

    What he said I did rather savor though was comparing the job of SOS as being less a Kissingerian chess game and more like Whack-A-Mole.

    Maybe because of the many fun hours I've spent in arcades working out a bad day's aggressions!

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    So much for transparency.... (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 12:35:07 PM EST
    Link

    In his first weeks in office, President Barack Obama shut down his predecessor's system for reviewing regulations, realigned and expanded two key White House policymaking bodies and extended economic sanctions against parties to the conflict in the African nation of Cote D'Ivoire.

    Despite the intense scrutiny a president gets just after the inauguration, Obama managed to take all these actions with nary a mention from the White House press corps.

    The moves escaped notice because they were never announced by the White House Press Office and were never placed on the White House web site.

    They came to light only because the official paperwork was transmitted to the Federal Register, a dense daily compendium of regulatory actions and other formal notices prepared by the National Archives. They were published there several days after the fact.

    Everyone who is surprised, please raise your hand.

    And, because he gets away with it, (none / 0) (#114)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 01:05:14 PM EST
    it will continue and it will expand. Then, he was consistently allowed to refuse to answer questions the people had a right to hear his thoughts on. He has no incentive what-so-ever to change his behavior. He will continue to live the red carpet lifestyle that hundreds of millions of dollars a year can buy. You can be sure that part of the country's budget will never run dry.

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    Also Hid The Announcement of American Month! (none / 0) (#115)
    by daring grace on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 01:53:14 PM EST
    Re your link:

    "There was no apparent rhyme or reason to the omissions. A proclamation Obama issued on February 2 for African-American History Month was e-mailed to the press and posted on the White House web site. But another presidential proclamation the same day for American Heart Month slipped by.

    "Such notices were routinely released by the White House press office during prior administrations -- making their omission all the more unusual given Obama's oft-repeated pledges of openness.

    "Most of the documents were posted to the White House web site Tuesday night, after Politico inquired about their absence. "It was a simple oversight," a spokesman, Ben LaBolt, said."

    I'd speculate more incompetence than insidiousness  which I also don't find all that comforting...

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    Make That American HEART Month (none / 0) (#116)
    by daring grace on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 01:53:48 PM EST
    I'm getting my fill... (none / 0) (#7)
    by atdleft on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:56:04 PM EST
    Of "smart teevee" and smart blogs now before I inevitably flip over to Bravo to see my favorite trashy shows, the OC Housewives season finale AND the NYC Housewives season premiere. Team Jill! ;-)

    I Thought I Was the Only One... (none / 0) (#60)
    by santarita on Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 11:16:38 PM EST
    who could stand to watch RH of Orange County.  I watched the premiere of RH of NY.  Orange County is better because of the sand and sea, I think.

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    For cheap entertainment (none / 0) (#84)
    by Fabian on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 05:38:13 AM EST
    try thereisnospoon's rec list diary at dkos about Afghanistan.  Kind of about Afghanistan, mostly about other things.

    I'm now eagerly waiting for BTD's post on Afghanistan which I expect to be more substantive.

    HOUSING PLAN RELEASED!!! (none / 0) (#89)
    by jedimom on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 08:22:53 AM EST
    WED MORNING AND SO EXCITED TYPING IT HERE!!!!

    Details coming out right now!!!
    servicers incentive to modify, 5 yr lower rates, uh oh dont like that, perhaps asking congress for cramdowns, my posts here

    75 billion  homeowner stability initiative to reach an additional 3-4 million at risk homeowners supporting low interest rates by increasing confidence in Fannie and Freddie, ugh,

    Homeowner Stability Initiative aimed at those who `commit to making reasonable monthly mortgage payments'..

    Obama plan promises, "no aid for speculators"..

    Aimed to help households `at risk' who are current in payments..

    May incentives built into the plan for servicers and lenders to get on board says Steve...

    Lenders under Homeowner Stabilty Initiative will bring down paymetns to 38% of borrowers income TOLD YA!! THEN the government would match further reductions down to 31% of the borrowers income...a low interest rate must be in place for 5 year after which it can gradually be raised to market rates, UH OH THAT IS A TEASER NO NO NO!!!! WTH do they want more ARMS this will lead to waves later, oh good gawd!!!



    I'm really bothered by the fact there (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 10:11:37 AM EST
    doesn't appear to be anything at all for the people who could have kept their homes had this been in place 3 months ago. The early losses seem to be getting a "bummer" attitude.

    Rents in my area continue to run in the dollar figures that serve the investors who own the complexes. I'd really like to see some controls put on what housing in this country is for...it's either a place to live comfortably and call home, or it's an extension of the stock market. That it has converted to being more the latter is why we're in this mess and that's the root cause that needs to be seriously addressed.


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    Amen (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 10:36:18 AM EST
    While I understand the need to help homeowners, it might be nice to get a little help with rent too.  Rent keeps going up, since demand is up (since people can't afford houses), and I can't claim a deduction on my taxes.

    I don't know how they could do it, but the tax deduction would be a nice start.

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    The reason you don't get a (none / 0) (#103)
    by Anne on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 11:00:11 AM EST
    deduction for rent is because the benefit of the existing tax deductions go to the entity that made the investment in the property, is paying interest to the bank on the indebtedness, and is paying property taxes on the value of the land and buildings.

    Or, as someone I know once said, the benefit goes to the risk-takers, and renters are not the risk-takers.

    If you think the housing market is bad now, giving a tax deduction for rent would be the nail in the coffin.  


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    No, I understand (none / 0) (#104)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 11:08:15 AM EST
    I understand why they don't, but it seems there are a whole lot of benefits to married people and those who can afford houses, and not much else to single people who can't. (I know - two separate issues).

    I'm just saying in a perfect world, since part of the reason my rent keeps going up is because of the housing crisis (because demand is increasing for apartments because people can't afford houses), it might be nice for me to get a break in all this wonderful money the government is throwing around.

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    At least one state has a renter's credit (none / 0) (#106)
    by Cream City on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 11:24:25 AM EST
    -- my state.  Is this unusual?  

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    I want controls put on the investors (none / 0) (#107)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 11:52:25 AM EST
    The price of rent fluctuates every single day based on some measurements the investor's management groups use. I don't know how those people can manage a budget with that. Two people can rent the identical units in the same complex and move in the very same day but be paying $150 more or less than each other in rent depending on the day they signed their leases. To me, that's beyond ridiculous.

    These investors know their tax obligations, they know their interest rate and how much they need to get from rents to meet their principle, tax, interest, expenses. The investment in housing should be limited to the exact same source as a homeowner...property value appreciation. It is horrible that people who are unable to afford a house are used in such a vile way. Many of these complexes are poorly constructed and even more poorly maintained. But, the people who are actually giving the investors the money they need to pay all the costs of ownership are very limited in their options since one complex is as bad as another. As long as all of them stick to the same principles, they won't suffer during this underwater phase of ownership.

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    On the subject of rent..... (5.00 / 0) (#110)
    by vml68 on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 12:23:54 PM EST
    I was paying $2200 at my previous apartment and when it came time to renew my lease they would not lower the rent even though they were offering new renters 2 mos free rent plus a lower rate.
    Now four months later that apartment is sitting empty and they are trying to rent it for $1500.
    Makes perfect sense to me... :-)!

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    Reading this stuff.... (none / 0) (#124)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 07:55:14 PM EST
    I wanna give my landlady a hug...handshake lease, she never stops by, small rent increases just enough to cover her property tax increases...she could probably get more for this place right now.

    I don't think I could deal with anymore corporations, especially a corporate landlord.

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    Jesselyn Radack has a Gates diary (none / 0) (#90)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 08:59:10 AM EST
    Something we might be seeing more of.... (none / 0) (#96)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 10:00:54 AM EST
    Let us call it bueracratic insanity/police state rage...Link.

    "Search This!"...the 2009 police state catchphrase, replacing 2008's "Don't taze me bro!"

    Warning: Do not try this at home (meaning USA)-- (none / 0) (#122)
    by jawbone on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 05:07:05 PM EST
    Arrest would be immediate and you would not make your flight.

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    Dear Lord.... (none / 0) (#123)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 07:47:44 PM EST
    could you imagine?  I can think of several felony convictions and a lifetime on two watchlists...at least.

    If I had to take my shoes off before entering my office everyday to prove I'm not the next shoe bomber, I would snap too...probably sooner, yet in a more modest way, than this pilot did.

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