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    I see that Frank Rick is channeling you (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Dr Molly on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:21:41 AM EST
    on Obama in his column today (especially towards the end of the column).

    But also tossing in ... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:34:42 AM EST
    the 11 dimensional chess and CDS double whammy:

    But we do know this much. Just as in the presidential campaign, Obama has once again outwitted the punditocracy and the opposition. The same crowd that said he was a wimpy hope-monger who could never beat Hillary or get white votes was played for fools again.


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    Oh yes (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Dr Molly on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:38:02 AM EST
    That did not go unnoticed by me, just unmentioned.

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    I left a comment about his CDS (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by imhotep on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:10:33 PM EST
    and his Hillary supporters insult, but they wouldn't print it.

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    I guess I'm not (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:34:24 PM EST
    sure how pointing out that Obama keeps beating the conventional wisdom (in this case Hillary as a sure thing for the Dem nominee) is an example of CDS- its not like Hillary was insulted in any way.    I guess I just don't see the CDS here.

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    My prediction (none / 0) (#3)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:27:21 AM EST
    Charlie Crist, that bastion of "bipartisanship" will run a nasty campaign against Obama in 2012 --- and win.

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    I'll take that bet (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:17:51 AM EST
    You overrate Chain Gang Charlie.

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    Don't be so mean (none / 0) (#40)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:29:51 AM EST
    If that article is anything to go by, Chain Gang Charlie is Obama's best friend.

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    Its politics, nothing personal (none / 0) (#78)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:20:15 PM EST
    Today's friends are tomorrows adversaries and vice versa.

    At the moment, one is a useful idiot to the other.

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    Interesting prediction (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:24:34 AM EST
    I think he would be a strong candidate for the republicans, but is he known to be a nasty campaigner? I would be surprised by that.

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    Economy will knock him down (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by mmc9431 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:01:29 PM EST
    With the housing market and tourist industry in chaos in FL, Crist will be falling in the polls. The great economy that he's run with is over. People I know in FL are really feeling the pressure between taxes and insurance costs.

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    I Think The Party of Palinphiles (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by daring grace on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 06:39:43 PM EST
    will have to go through an amazing metamorphosis in the next four years to nominate 'moderate' Crist--nasty or not.

    If Obama looks vulnerable in 2012 it seems like there are other more red-meat conservatives at the head of that line.

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    Yeah the GOPs (none / 0) (#84)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:36:16 PM EST
    going to nominate a guy who I'd say around 50% of politically informed Floridians would tell you is gay, that'll happen right around the time they pick Ted Haggard to deliver the opening prayer at the RNCC.

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    I thought the conservative right (none / 0) (#96)
    by samtaylor2 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 05:22:11 PM EST
    Hinted he was gay?   Didn't that destroy him nationally?

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    "Waaaaahhhh, Waaahhhhhh" (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Jjc2008 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:25:05 AM EST
    on THIS WEEK.    
    "They didn't let us at the table....waaaahhhh...the house democrats were mean...they wouldn't let us republicans play right away......waahhhhh Screw the country, screw the people............they house democrats are mean..."  (that would be Rep King every time he got a chance to on This Week)

    Who knew that the big bad macho thugs of the right wings could be such temper tantrum prone whining babies????

    No Cheese for Nancy Pelosi's mouse :) (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:36:30 AM EST
    Lol.. anyone who ever watched (none / 0) (#4)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:28:10 AM EST
    Newt Gingrich.

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    I don't know (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jjc2008 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:31:51 AM EST
    Newt always just struck me as a snake, a viper, a nasty poisonous one (no offense meant to snakes)...so I never saw a connection between Newt and a human being of any age.  Can snakes whine.....I thought they could only hiss and spew poisonous saliva.

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    Nationalize banks or raid Social Security? (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:22:46 PM EST
    A couple of days ago Obama formed a committee/ commission, whatever, to revisit and re-examine Social Security "entitlements" (his word).

    Now, today HuffPo reports two Republicans and two Dems went on a morning talk show to discuss a current Wa Po editorial entitled: "Nationalize the Banks! We're all Swedes Now". Surprisingly, the GOP is saying nationalize the banks and the Dems are saying no. I'm wondering, aloud, how does this relate to Social Security and why are the parties engaged in role reversal?

    Maybe the new plan works like this: the GOP threatens to nationalize the banks, which than provides a rationale for the Dems to raid a bunch of money from Security Security and give it to the banks to avoid nationalization.

    *Imo, the schoolyard bully and the 98 lb weakling have struck a mutually beneficial deal to rob us all of our lunch money.

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    *So where the Hell is the (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by oldpro on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:52:28 PM EST
    playground monitor...off having a smoke in the boiler room?

    They can forget about screwing with grandma's social security if my gang is still alive.  We have a lot of activist/protest/sitdown experience from the 60s and 70s and we haven't forgotten how to do it.

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    Now that the AARP has renamed (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 01:21:16 PM EST
    their magazine, and SS is under fire, I'm thinking of joining AARP again.

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    Hmmm...I left long ago (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by oldpro on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:18:46 PM EST
    but I'll look into their 'change' ... possibly reconsider.

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    Looks like "Modern Maturity" (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:25:28 PM EST
    mmorphed into "AARP, the magazine."

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    AARP is for upping the age of (none / 0) (#113)
    by suzieg on Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 05:35:44 AM EST
    retirement and lowering benefits.

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    I very much doubt that. (none / 0) (#116)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 09:52:13 AM EST
    I'm a member who gets their monthly bulletin and (none / 0) (#117)
    by suzieg on Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 10:48:59 AM EST
    it's a recurrent theme.

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    Surprising. I thought AARP (none / 0) (#118)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 10:58:39 AM EST
    was the largest lobby for not messing with SS.  Guess I had better re-join to keep an eye on their positions.

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    Going with the metaphor... (none / 0) (#87)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 04:01:33 PM EST
    I'm trying to figure out who would play the role of "playground monitor" in a democratic society. The press, right? If not, we no longer have a functional democracy.

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    Yes. The Fourth Estate. (none / 0) (#95)
    by oldpro on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 05:01:47 PM EST
    Burke's...not Fielding's.

    The press...not the mob.

    What would Burke say now, I wonder?

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    What a cop out. You sir, are (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:28:29 AM EST
    no Jason Linkins.

    Is there a sport event on? (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:30:16 AM EST
    Maybe it is just a negative (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:40:00 AM EST
    dudgeon kind of day.

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    Hockey, NBC, this afternoon (none / 0) (#8)
    by scribe on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:33:53 AM EST
    check your local listings.

    I'm sure the NBA will be on, too, but I'm not a big follower of pro hoops, so there....

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    The Great American Race (none / 0) (#12)
    by lobary on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:40:45 AM EST
    Daytona 500 runs today.

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    More quick and easy recipes (none / 0) (#13)
    by scribe on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:49:13 AM EST
    You'll love both of these:

    A Chicken pot-pie, with a nice hint of curry and a crust of store-bought puff pastry that you can have on the table in less than an hour.

    This one, Chicken Vesuvio, sounds like Artie Bucco came up with it, but it is seriously - seriously - good.

    If you want to have some fun, go back to the beginning on this blog and read.  You'll get to go to cooking school with the author.  Fun.  And the chowdah recipe on the front page looks wicked good, too.

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    If you like French Onion Soup (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by BernieO on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:18:24 AM EST
    I fell in love with the department store Famous-Barr's (St. Louis) acclaimed french onion soup. For years after I moved away I could not figure out how they made such a delicious, thick, spicy version of this classic soup.

    Luckily a friend sent me a recipe. You can use your favoite version of french onion soup. The trick is to thicken it by sprinkling flour over the caramelized onions, adding paprika for spice, cooking a short time longer then adding the broth and simmering.

    There are now several versions of the recipe on the internet. I prefer using the french onion soup recipe from America's Test Kitchen/Cook's Illustrated which uses chicken and beef broth (2 to 1 proportion). They also recommend deeply caramelizing the onions in the oven so you don't have to constantly watch and stir them on the stove.

    This method kes time but is easy to do if you are busy around the house. You only have to infrequently. The it freezes well so you can make a big batch. Great on a cold day because it's spicy.

    People used to drive to St. Louis just to eat this soup at Famous Barr.

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    Btw, a family member with migraines (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:58:21 PM EST
    taught me something I did not know about beef or chicken stock, the prepared kind (which works fine for such soups):  Beware msg, the monosodium glutamate.  A major cause of migraines and, there is a school of thought on this, other bad stuff.  And standard in a lot of prepared stocks.

    So I learned to look for the non-msg stocks.  Just a word to the wise to others contemplating cooking soups or whatever with stock.  There was a day when I made my own.  But I was young then, and life is short.  For the same reason, though, why spend our remaining days having migraines or whoknowswhat?

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    Couple of tricks for french onion soup (none / 0) (#97)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 05:45:51 PM EST
    that I figured out, having fallen in love with it in Montreal, then messing around with recipes and never quite getting the taste again . . . until:

    1.  caramelize the onions with a little sugar
    2.  definitely then have to toss in some flour, or it won't be a creamy soup; it will be like that watery stuff from a package that is fit only for making 1950s-style potato chip dip
    3.  be sure to toss in your soup, if it is not in the recipe, some dry mustard for the true flavor of the french onion soup I learned to love.  
    4.  use a very good cheese -- not necessarily costly but good and suited to the task, i.e., not swiss (it's not swiss onion soup, after all) . . . I like, as the Quebecois do, gruyere

    Now, maybe it's different in Paris . . . but it cannot possibly be better than the soup of my forebears.  O Canada!

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    This sounds just incredibly awesome (none / 0) (#103)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 07:46:07 PM EST
    Can't you just come over and do this please?  I have pans, food, martinis, a couple of decent red wines from 2000, working on whatever station you want to hear, whatever you want.

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    Just having some gruyere around (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by scribe on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 08:48:27 PM EST
    will make a world of difference.  That's what makes the French Onion soup so special.

    It's also what you should use if you're going to make scalloped potatoes (look at Julia Child's Mastering the Art of French Cooking), even though the recipe calls for "grated Swiss".  If you try to grate what we call Swiss (which is entirely too soft), you'll get a clogged grater.  And the Gruyere is 1000 times better, flavorwise.

    Don't forget the garlic, either.

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    It's the right cheese for omelots too (none / 0) (#112)
    by BrassTacks on Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 01:28:10 AM EST
    Awww. The thing about peasant food (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:53:46 PM EST
    like french onion soup is that it actually is not hard to do, once you catch on to things like those few tricks above -- the ones that the peasants all knew.  This is not high-falutin' fancy French cuisine.  It truly is peasant food.

    French onion soup is:  onions, flour, butter, water, cheese, bread.  Plus simple seasonings, really -- the bit of sugar, the touch of dry mustard, salt, pepper, etc.  It's just that they figured out how to take these simple ingredients, all they had, and then do each part well, like caramelizing -- and then do them all in a certain order and for a certain amount of time that results in a peasant masterpiece!

    The Italian peasant comparate is another I love, spaghetti carbonara, named that because it's just several simple ingredients that miners (the carbonara) could take with them to make lunch over rough open fires.  Now, I figure that if they could make such exquisite food over open fires, I oughta be able to do it on a stove. :-)

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    Ditto (none / 0) (#104)
    by Upstart Crow on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 07:49:56 PM EST
    Absolutely.

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    Love the onion soup at the Crepe (none / 0) (#114)
    by suzieg on Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 05:38:58 AM EST
    Bretonne on Crescent Street!

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    oops, forgot to add in Montreal... (none / 0) (#115)
    by suzieg on Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 05:39:24 AM EST
    Allsome (none / 0) (#29)
    by lobary on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:12:35 AM EST
    Thanks, the chicken vesuvio sounds fantastic. Earlier this week I prepared a large pot of homemade chicken stock. I've been looking for entrees and sauces calling for chicken stock that also fit my culinary mood. Yum.

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    It is. I'm making it today, again. (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by scribe on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:19:30 AM EST
    This is one place all those fatty store-bought mass-produced chickens can really come to the fore.  You try out the fat from the chicken, crisp up its skin, then set it aside and brown the potatoes well using the chicken fat, before putting it all together and into the oven.  Getting a nice crust on the taters is key - they'll be all nice and soft-done inside and a little crunchy outside.  Without the crust, they'll go pretty much to mush.  And the chicken fat will make for an abundance of taste.

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    Thanks for the recipes (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:15:14 AM EST
    I have had the best luck in cooking by garnering from people their favorites.  I can't mix things together with a realistic anticipation of what they will taste like together and I'm not able to look at a recipe either and have that intuition that this is probably going to be good.  I did get the latest Martha Stewart mag though and she had this combo of arugula and spinach sauteed together and I am thinking about trying that too.

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    MT, make sure the arugula doesn't (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 04:05:34 PM EST
    saute too long. It should be out of the pan the instant it starts to wilt - otherwise it will taste very bland. BTW, I find your admitted lack of kitchen know-how very endearing.

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    Thanks for the arugula tip (none / 0) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 07:43:16 PM EST
    I like arugula, and the stuff never becomes deceased here during the mild winter.  It took over my small front yard garden patch once here and at the time I wished that I had known something to do with it other than just pull it up, and I always need a reason to have some spinach.  I can grow stuff.  I have a decent green thumb.

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    Would that I lived where arugula grows (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:17:21 PM EST
    like a weed - year round, no less - heaven!

    As you may know, raw arugula is also great in any kind of green salad. Here's a quick and easy recipe for cooked arugula.

    RECIPE: Penne Pasta with Arugula, Pimento, Pine Nuts & Cream (for 4):

    1 clove garlic - minced

    3 tbsp olive oil

    3-4 oz red pimento, cut small

    1 bunch fresh arugula, wash and remove stems

    4 oz heavy whipping cream

    1 oz toasted pine nuts (if raw, toast 5 minutes in 350 degree oven)

    Salt to taste.

    Prepare 4 portions of ribbed penne pasta according to package directions. Set aside in a covered bowl.

    Use a large non-stick frying pan. Saute garlic in oil for 30 seconds over medium-low. Add pimento and saute one minute. Add arugula and saute 30-60 seconds - don't let it wilt. Add cream, saute another 30-60 seconds and remove from heat just as arugula begins to wilt.

    Add the arugula mixture to the pasta and toss; sprinkle pine nuts over individual portions. Enjoy.  

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    No Dandelion? (none / 0) (#108)
    by squeaky on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:28:20 PM EST
    Oh, that penne pasta (none / 0) (#111)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:59:29 PM EST
    sounds great.  I've copied several recipes here -- thanks, all!  

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    Top with a coarsely grated (none / 0) (#119)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 10:59:12 AM EST
    good parmesan cheese to add more protein and flavor. Better not to buy the cheapest run-of-the-mill variety of parmesan, and never buy pregrated of course. Sorry, you probably already know that. Not a snob here, just waited tables in many Italian restaurants when I was a student. Actually, if anybody knows a really good cheap parmesan I'd like to hear about it.

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    Have you snuggled your parrot today? (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:00:08 AM EST
    Brother is having his first molt.  I've heard that parrots get moody during this time, and this was his mood last night.  He's a pretty fascinating pet after so many dogs.

    [IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/Militarytracy/097.jpg[/IMG]

    My puppies did the sweetest thing last night.... (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Angel on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:05:48 AM EST
    They love to kiss and play and just roll around and have a good time together.  But when it's time for bed one likes to get under the covers and the other likes to be on top of the covers.  The female who likes to be on top of the covers nudged the covers back and gave the little male a kiss good night and then crawled back to her spot on top of the covers.  It was so sweet - and it was Valentine's Day.  

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    Just remember how long-lived (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by scribe on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:14:57 AM EST
    parrots can be.  The big ones can live to be 65 or 70.  And they will always be like a three year-old kid, but even more in need of mental stimulation.  Gotta keep changing the toys and environment or they will go psycho.

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    Ha ha no kidding about the (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:21:46 AM EST
    stimulation thing.  He sort of takes care of the toy changing out because after he is done with a toy it is done :)  We got him a bunch of knots.  Was told that parrots love them and they do until they are not knotted anymore :)  We have been attempting to teach him to say certain things, forget about it.  He says what he wants to say.  He imitates my horrid laugh perfectly right back at me, and my son has a bit of separation anxiety so if he is across the house sometimes, out of nowhere I'll hear him holler at me "I love you mom!" and I tell him back "I love you too".  Now when you go up to Brother in his cage to check him out he tells you that he loves you too.  It is hilarious.

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    I just finished reading (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:30:30 AM EST
    "A Princess Remembers."  This particular Indian (sub-continent) princess is in her mid-80s now.  She tells of visiting her grandparents in Baroda when she was a child.  The parrots acted out skits, including firing tiny cannons.  At the end of the book, in her update, she mentions those parrots are still firing.  

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    Out of curiousity (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Socraticsilence on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:42:48 PM EST
    I'm in a small apartment which allows pets but a puppy would be stifled- what's a Parrot like as a pet?  I have friends with birds but I here Parrots are an entire story altogether from parakeets et al.

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    They are loud (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 07:35:40 PM EST
    I don't know a lot about birds.  I decided to go about it as if someone were seeking a puppy from me and a found a breeder here who has been at it for ages.  She suggested the Quaker parrot and she had four little chicks of that type at the time.  We were the first to place a deposit and since she had met Josh we asked her to select the one she felt most suited him.  They were her birds after all, her breeding.  They had been handfed by her and I'm told that helps with imprinting them and they are closer to humans when they are handfed.  She told us that we could have taken Brother home earlier if we wanted to do some handfeeding ourselves but when she explained how it is done to me and you can mess up and not get the tube into their tummys, I didn't want to risk harming him in any way by not knowing what I was doing.  He is LOUD though.  Other than that he is so funny, really wonderful, the cleanest pet we have and the least expensive to feed.  

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    LOUD, I gather... (none / 0) (#89)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 04:07:09 PM EST
    Our parrot used (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by Amiss on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 04:39:35 PM EST
    to snuggle and whisper in my ear, but if I was not in the room he was very loud with "Whatcha doing"? But he greeted me every morning as soon as he heard me up with a "Hey good lookin" it always made my days brighter.

    Parrots are definitely more work and demand more than parokeets or cockatiels.

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    Aw (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by squeaky on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 04:24:03 PM EST
    That is sooo cute. Looks like your parrot has bonded with your son. Parrots are incredibly smart and can think. Temple Grandin relates a story about a famous parrot named Alex and trained by Dr. Pepperburg who one day got impatient and snarkily started spelling because he was not getting what he wanted. Dr. Pepperburg was floored.

    Fortunately, it's gotten a lot more respectable to argue that animals are smarter than we realize, One of the main research teams we can thank for that is Dr. Irene Pepperberg and her twenty-five-year old African gray parrot, Alex. Alex has now reached the cognition level of a normal four-to-six-year-old child.


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    Overdosed on Gas (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:01:41 AM EST
    2008 made it physically impossible to watch anything on cable or network news.  I just can't.  I let you guys do the work.  

    It verges on abuse listening to the pundits and reading the columnists.  

    Agreed, I always say... (none / 0) (#90)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 04:08:51 PM EST
    listening to MSM punditry is like pouring battery acid directly into the brain.

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    In the off chance that (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by mg7505 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:05:03 AM EST
    this thread isn't restricted to Beltway discussion, I just want to recognize the brilliance of Nate Robinson's All-Star Slam Dunk Competition win yesterday.

    Only if you watched (none / 0) (#69)
    by oldpro on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 01:01:19 PM EST
    with the sound off.

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    The USA's (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by SOS on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:09:24 AM EST
    military expenditure now accounts for almost half of the world total.

    Chart (none / 0) (#27)
    by SOS on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:09:57 AM EST
    2008 (none / 0) (#28)
    by SOS on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:10:52 AM EST
    Fed Budget 2008 (none / 0) (#33)
    by SOS on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:15:41 AM EST
    please put urls in htmll format (none / 0) (#72)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:02:18 PM EST
    long ones skew the site and the entire comment bhas to be deleted. Use the link button at the top of your comment box or get a short url at tinyurl.com. Thanks.

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    Presidential rating (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by mmc9431 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:08:44 PM EST
    AOL had a rating of presidents. Reagan was 8th best! They still insist on giving him credit for bringing down the Soviet Union.  I think it's too early to evaluate him anyway. (The papers are still sealed). I think corruption and the prolonged Afghan war had more to do with the Soviet downfall than Reagan did.

    It goes on to rate Clinton right in the middle as mediocre.

    And conveniently those types (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by Jjc2008 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 01:00:33 PM EST
    pretend Pinochet never existed, or that the School of the Americas during the 80s trained the military huntas of Central America how to maim, disappear, mass murder workers who dared demand fair wages, land rights etc.  Those workers were after all daring to try to create unions making them nothing but commies needing to be killed...and the great Commie killer, Reagan, happily aided and abetted it all.

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    Gee, I feel so chastened (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by cal1942 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 01:55:13 PM EST
    NOT.

    Personally I rank Reagan in the bottom fourth.

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    What they say on TV, (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by cal1942 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:10:17 PM EST
    how they voted on the legislation and what they tell the folks back home are two different things.

    Don Young (of Bridge to Nowhere Fame) has taken credit for programs in ARRRA that benefit Alaskan natives. He omits the fact that he voted against the legislation.

    And he isn't the only Republican shamelessly bamboozling.

    From McClatchy:

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/62181.html


    Gas passed? Carnegie Deli (none / 0) (#9)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:34:22 AM EST
    takeout in DC?

    The Sunday Soaps (none / 0) (#14)
    by SOS on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:50:54 AM EST
    You would think these addicts would have watched enough of this fluff to figure out by now out that the usual cast of characters are not going to stop until the people of our country are all in poverty.. except for the top 1 percent.

    Rolling on the River (none / 0) (#15)
    by SOS on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:59:20 AM EST
    And I never lost one minute of sleeping,
    Worrying 'bout the way things might have been.


    Big wheel keep on turning (none / 0) (#18)
    by Angel on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:02:53 AM EST
    Proud Mary keep on burning...

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    Rolling, (none / 0) (#20)
    by SOS on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:04:45 AM EST
    rolling,

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    Rolling... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Angel on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:06:16 AM EST
    Rolling on the river . . . AND (none / 0) (#98)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 05:48:33 PM EST
    let us all now enjoy our secret ambition to be backup singers:

    di dit dit dit dit DIT dit dit. . . .

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    My lifelong dream. I love music and I love to (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Angel on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 08:57:50 PM EST
    sing.  Unfortunately, not everyone likes to hear me sing. :)

    It's really sad because my father was a musician and I did not inherit his music gene - although I got the rhythm and the love of music.  But I do what they say:  sing as if no one is listening, dance as though no one is watching, live as though there's no tomorrow.  

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    They Are Still Belching... (none / 0) (#19)
    by santarita on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:03:32 AM EST
    I couldn't watch them anymore.

    There was a great clip of the 4 panelists on MTP before their segment - it showed the 4 of them in their own boxes with their lips vigorously moving - no sound though.  Perfect image - 4 people talking to no one in particular and not saying anything.

    With the economy in the tank, GM about to declare bankruptcy, huge financial institutions teetering on the brink of conservatorship, you'd think they could talk about anything other than political strategy of the President and political strategy of the two parties.  

    Hey, there's hope. On yesterday's (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:09:56 AM EST
    Prairie Home Companion, Keillor stated one of the sponsors was Ford, which is leading the way in building fuel efficient cars which are good for our environment?  Now that's news.

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    Ford already builds and sells (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by ding7777 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:10:56 PM EST
    fuel efficient cars... for the European market where it posted a $1 billion profit.

    So why not here?  Bailout money? Pension Legacy off-load tax credit?

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    Ford's view of what the U.S. (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:13:07 PM EST
    consumer will buy?  Still many, many huge SUVs and trucks around.  

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    Safety Standards (none / 0) (#60)
    by mmc9431 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:16:23 PM EST
    I'm not sure the cars in Europe meet the safety standars here.

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    If that's the case, then Ford could either... (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by EL seattle on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:12:34 PM EST
    a.) Find a way of making the cars compliant in the USA, or

    b.) Whine about this until the government relaxes the safety standards here in the states or provides some sort of financial incentives for the cars.

    Hmmm... I wonder what they might do?

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    Fords fuel-efficient cars for the Euro (none / 0) (#91)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 04:18:15 PM EST
    market aren't built to US safety standards? Probably because Exxon doesn't want those cars being sold here in the first place.

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    Nope (none / 0) (#93)
    by andgarden on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 04:25:13 PM EST
    Issues like bumper, 3rd brake light, and parking lights. Also, european airbags (used to) assume that people absolutely will wear their seatbelts.

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    To be fair to Ford, they did NOT take (none / 0) (#83)
    by allimom99 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:35:57 PM EST
    the bailout money, and of the Big Three, had actually been doing some work on efficient vehicles (not enough, but >none). I want to see management replaced in many of these companies, but that will be up to the boards of directors, who unfortunately drink from the same well as the execs.

    Make no mistake, these guys gave Obama a LOT of money, and will be expecting a return. If he denies them, I will gain an enormous amount of respect for him. Not holdong my breath, though.

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    If you think that's funny (none / 0) (#30)
    by scribe on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:12:56 AM EST
    you should have seen Faux late night (like 2-3 am ET) on the evening the Dems won control of the House in 2006.  My cable system lost sound for some reason that night.  The Faux clowns looked worse than the village people being scared in that 1920s-vintage Swedish silent movie about witches ("Hexan") being shown on IFC that night.

    Cavuto, especially.  The combination of porky, formerly smugly pompous and scared to death is always good for a laugh.

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    I've Only Recently Overcome My... (none / 0) (#59)
    by santarita on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:13:16 PM EST
    total aversion to Fox News.  I occasionally watch it now  (for about 3 minutes).  What a smarmy, smug group of people they are. But that could also be said of their competition.  They are all almost totally devoid of content, unless one is of the view that the "Days of Our Lives - Washington, DC" is news.

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    Burris hits the local news (none / 0) (#24)
    by andgarden on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:07:51 AM EST
    What an embarrassment.

    Maybe this is a good thing? (none / 0) (#44)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:38:56 AM EST
    I just found out Blago was impeached and Quinn is now the IL Gov.  Didn't make the Times of India or IHT on the days I read them.

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    What happend to all those (none / 0) (#38)
    by SOS on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:22:53 AM EST
    countries this past 60 years that owed us money?

    They ever pay up?

    According to a history of India (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:32:21 AM EST
    I am reading, one of the reasons Britain relieved itself of India was because Britain was having trouble paying off the last third of their WWII debt to U.S.  

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    Wonder if anyone will (none / 0) (#46)
    by SOS on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:41:05 AM EST
    forgive our debts?

    LOL right

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    Of our trespasses. (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:44:10 AM EST
    Huff Post has a big headline about, I gather, recently discovered info U.S. contractors, aided and abetted by bribed U.S. military, didn't spend our tax dollars on reconstructing Iraq.  

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    Maybe their WWI debt - (none / 0) (#47)
    by scribe on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:43:15 AM EST
    and not their WWII debt.  The Statue of Westminster (which was a big step toward Indian independence) was passed in 1935, at which time the Depression was still a major issue, there was no WWII debt and a lot of WWI debt still out there, and no one took Churchill (and others siding with him) seriously when they cautioned about rising German militarism and the coming war.

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    The author of the book is talking about (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:45:14 AM EST
    the 1945, but maybe it was WWI debt.  

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    By 1945 it was already a done deal (none / 0) (#51)
    by scribe on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:00:40 PM EST
    that India would go independent.  The decision had come during the interwar years.  The economic result of the war on the UK (e.g., rationing lasted many years after the war in the UK) and the US economic hegemon (in 1945-46 something like 60 or 70 percent of the world GDP was US GDP) made confirming the decision to let India go independent inevitable.  It was crystal-clear to UK decision-makers - even before WWII - that there was no way they could continue to support the economic underpinnings which made possible keeping India as a colony.  The UK's manufacturing plant (which consumed Indian raw material output) was old, outdated, cost-inefficient and non-competitive against US manufacturing.  The rise of socialism/communism as an ideology which appealed to youth seeking a "better" way, together with its allowance/encouragement of violence meant that the military cost of keeping India would only rise and could not be justified.  

    And I haven't even addressed Ghandi's jiujitsu-ing the colonial government.

    By 1945, the only discussions were "how", "how soon" and "where to draw the borderlines, if any".

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    The book I am reading, (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:09:32 PM EST
    Indian Summer, is a popular history by a first time writer.  Kind of a gloss-over, with heavy emphasis on the Mountbattens.  She delves into letters and newsaccounts of the rush to actual independence, from the British standpoint, after WWII.  

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    An interesting note to India (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by ding7777 on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:18:52 PM EST
    The Frozen Water Trade: A True Story by Gavin Weightman is a very short and enjoyable read about harvesting ice in Massachusetts and shipping it to people in India (and elsewhere) in the 1800's

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    Bill Clinton more to blame than Bush (none / 0) (#50)
    by kayla on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:49:29 AM EST
    for the financial crisis according to Time Magazine.

    A Pathetic List, In General (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by santarita on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:23:10 PM EST
    It should be titled:  "List of Top 25 People Responsible for Economic Meltdown as Compiled By People Who Get Their News from Cable News Networks".

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    But we are more to blame than (none / 0) (#63)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:21:57 PM EST
    either of them, according to the Time list via NY Post.

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    This is kinda interesting (none / 0) (#57)
    by NJDem on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:11:58 PM EST
    Interesting. Watching the President's (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:21:09 PM EST
    first press conference, my eyes were fixed on the bust of Lincoln just behind the President's right shoulder.  This is where Winnie's bust used to be.  Apparently the British press noticed.  Amends must be made.

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    Maybe amends are being made (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Spamlet on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:05:30 PM EST
    with the bust's return to England, since W thought he was Churchill.

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    He'd better get Winnie back up there (none / 0) (#79)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:20:16 PM EST
    He needs more rememberance moments of Winnie right now than Lincoln.

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    Well, when is Winnie's b-day? (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:22:21 PM EST
    Maybe it is a seasonal thing.

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    Ouch (none / 0) (#66)
    by Upstart Crow on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:45:26 PM EST
    It's a Sir Jacob Epstein bronze, too -- I doubt the one of Old Abe was of the same caliber. A small lapse in taste.

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    Well, there goes FDR as a role model (none / 0) (#99)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 05:54:01 PM EST
    for Obama -- since FDR and Churchill were extremely close, to the point that Churchill made many secret trips to this country and stayed in the White House.

    The bust may go, but I bet the ghost still will walk there.

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    Can you guys believe this? (none / 0) (#76)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 02:18:35 PM EST
    Our own United States produced premium crude oil is dirt cheap right now but our own refineries have no way to get to it.  Expect gas to hit $2.50 before spring?  I don't how accurate that can be but that would also be one hell of a hard hit on the wheezing economy. link