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Will Rove Ever Testify?

The relentless Rep. John Conyers subpoenaed Karl Rove again to testify about the White House's political influence on the Justice Department's U.S. Attorney firings and the prosecution of Don Siegelman, but when, if ever, will Rove testify? Not Monday, the day for which the subpoena originally compelled his testimony. Conyers rescheduled the deposition to February 23 to give Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, "time to consult with the Obama administration and learn whether the new president would uphold Bush's order against testifying."

This comes in the wake of Fred Fielding's letter (pdf) advising Luskin that President Bush was directing Rove "not to provide information" to Congress about "the U.S. Attorneys matter" and not even to appear before Congress if subpoenaed. Larisa Alexandrovna asks what authority Fielding has to direct Rove to break the law by disregarding the subpoena's command to appear (as opposed to its command to answer questions upon appearance). Good question.

Here's another good question: [more ...]

If new President Obama disagrees with old President Bush about whether Rove should assert executive privilege before Congress, who wins? Jack Balkin argues that the claim of executive privilege is weakened if Obama doesn't get behind it:

Thus, if the sitting President does not support the claim of executive privilege, the claim is greatly reduced in strength, because, as the Supreme Court noted, "it must be presumed that the incumbent President is vitally concerned with and in the best position to assess the present and future needs of the Executive Branch, and to support invocation of the privilege accordingly." The Court's reasoning is that the incumbent President recognizes that someday his aides may be called to testify after he leaves office.

So what will Obama do? Another good question. Balkan suggests that any president might have an incentive to invoke the privilege for a past president's aides to avoid setting a precedent that could allow the president's current aides to be investigated during the next administration. That reasoning assumes that a future Republican president would have any qualms about allowing Congress to investigate a Democratic president's aides. Republicans tend to be more concerned about damaging Democrats than they are about abstract principles.

Daphne Eviatar, quoted in this piece, notes that Obama, before becoming president, criticized the assertion that presidential advisors have "absolute immunity" to refuse to appear before Congress, but wonders whether his opinion will change now that he's sitting in the Oval Office.

After all, the executive privilege would now protect him and his cabinet, too.

Neither Obama nor any other president is likely to renounce his or her power to invoke executive privilege. But whether to invoke it in a particular case is a different question. Obama would not damage his (or any future president's) ability to invoke executive privilege in an appropriate circumstance by deciding not to use it to shield Karl Rove from testifying about his communications with the Justice Department about the Siegelman prosecution or the U.S. Attorney firings. It would be hugely disappointing if Obama were to obstruct a congressional investigation into those issues by directing Rove to invoke executive privilege.

It is more likely (as some of the linked sources note) that Rove will turn to the courts for help as he continues to stall. If he fails to win judicial support for his belief that President Bush's invocation of executive privilege trumps President Obama's decision not to invoke it, Congress could issue a contempt citation (a solution advocated by Rep. Jerrold Nadler). The Justice Department under Obama, unlike the Department under Bush, would presumably take the contempt citation before a grand jury and seek Rove's punishment. If it did not, that decision too would be hugely disappointing.

Whether any of this will happen, or whether some compromise will be reached (perhaps limiting the scope of Rove's testimony), we might learn in the coming weeks ... or months ... or years. All we know now is that Rove won't testify on Monday.

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    Hugely Disappointing (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by squeaky on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 02:27:57 AM EST
    Will be the least of it if Obama okays executive privilege for Rove and the DOJ does not act on contempt charges.

    In order to restore faith in the gov after the corruption, secrecy and abuse of the executive branch Obama is going to have to take the risk that his own aides may have to face a future congress.

    It seems simple to avoid problems for future aids having to testify, don't do illegal acts.

    that would be the easiest way, yes. (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by cpinva on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 03:49:10 AM EST
    It seems simple to avoid problems for future aids having to testify, don't do illegal acts.

    of course, even were they subpoenaed, that failure to have committed illegal acts would render their compelled testimony somewhat moot.

    it would seem that pres. obama has his first test of ethics. hopefully, he'll do the right thing.

    Lots of letters (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by mmc9431 on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 05:31:41 AM EST
    I understand that Bush issued this letter to Rove, reaffirning executive privlege four days before leaving office. I would expect that this isn't the only letter. They all will have a letter. So if any investigations are going to happen, this is going to have to be resolved. If Obama supports the letter on Rove's claim, then it will set the precedent on future claims.

    Maybe this was the reason Bush didn't pardon any of them.

    Even when he's no longer in office (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by joanneleon on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 08:58:02 AM EST
    Bush and his cronies are still overreaching on executive power.  That's the way I see it, and that's the way I believe it should be presented by the Obama administration.

    I just don't see how the Dems in Congress or anyone in the administration can change their opinion about the Rove and Miers subpoenas now and retain their integrity.

    Already it appears as if they are waffling.  As it is, it's hard to believe that they issued a statement like this:


    ...to give Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, "time to consult with the Obama administration and learn whether the new president would uphold Bush's order against testifying."

    I mean, look at that statement. What kind of message does it broadcast?

    I'll grant that there's an executive power (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Anne on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 10:19:12 AM EST
    issue here, but I also think there's a leadership issue and a moral/ethical issue here, too; the test for Obama will be whether he believes it is in the best interest of the overall health of the democracy to strengthen an element of executive power that seems to, in most cases, protect those whose actions may have served to weaken that democracy.

    Should the argument devolve to one of self-interest only - if I get your back now, I can protect my own later? - or should someone (can someone?) make the argument that these assertions of executive power have the effect of allowing one branch - the Executive - to tilt the scales so that it is no longer a co-equal branch, but super-equal?

    Why shouldn't the president, servant of the people and keeper of the Constitutional flame that he is, be able to frame these kinds of decisions in terms of allowing the democracy to work as it was intended to, in terms of preventing the consolidation of power in any one branch of government?

    So, Obama has chosen, at least for the time being, to stall, letting the subpoena hang out there and making Rove go to the courts. Because I have little confidence that a judicial approach will be one that comes down against the Bush assertions, I fully expect that it won't be long before we will be seeing Obama shrug his shoulders and inform us all in wise tones that there is nothing else he can do.

    It would be nice, though, if that particular speech came after he actually came down on the side of allowing the Congress to press forward, and then forcing  Rove to the courts, but I don't think that's how it's going to play out.

    Completely consistent with someone whose pattern is to hang back and wait to see where things are headed, and then take the safest position.

    Conyers, not Obama, (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by TChris on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 12:52:31 PM EST
    made the decision to postpone the deposition.  It is inaccurate to say "Obama has chosen ... to stall."

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    Oops - sorry! (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Anne on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 04:01:56 PM EST
    But, that doesn't mean Obama could not step up, does it?

    I guess I'm really just so disappointed at this game of cat-and-mouse, the passive-aggressive nature of these investigations.

    Why this scattershot - and constantly stonewalled - approach was ever thought to be a better alternative to impeachment, I will never know.

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    Stretching privilege (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Lora on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 10:35:22 AM EST
    Bush stretched the concept of executive privilege just as he stretched all executive power for beyond intended limits.  He can issue any letter he wants, but to honor it is to help permanently expand executive power and guide our republic toward dictatorship.  Don't do it, Obama!  Let Rove testify or go to jail.

    But here is something else to consider (4.50 / 2) (#7)
    by jsj20002 on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 10:05:04 AM EST
    The Obama Administration has a solidly Democratic Congress and will not have to face Congressional subpoenas so long as the Democratic Party remains in control of both houses.  President Obama, therefore, will not likely need to invoke executive privilege.  The best way to keep a Democratic majority in Congress is to reveal the full depth of corruption in the Bush Administration.  Conyers should press on with the subpoenas.  

    Presidents always want more power (none / 0) (#4)
    by blogname on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 08:26:28 AM EST
    Historically, most presidents have favored greater power than they believed presidents actually possessed before they became president (at least when a record of their beliefs exist).

    Maybe Obama is worried (none / 0) (#6)
    by Saul on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 09:04:26 AM EST
    that someday it will happen to him and his administration so he is sending  a signal to his predecessors whoever they might be one day the following:

     " Remember I did not do it to you when I could so don't do it to me if you can"

    A Narrow Exception to Executive Privilege... (none / 0) (#11)
    by cwolf on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 02:50:46 PM EST
    ...should be easy for O's team to devise in order to enable interested authorized entities, such as the peoples congress, to question Turdblossom about a few of his Felonies.

    where's the beef (none / 0) (#13)
    by diogenes on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 11:06:30 PM EST
    Plame--no criminal convictions except a perjury one on Libby.
    US attorney firing-no criminal convictions except presumably a perjury trap for Rove.
    If there is such criminality here then indict Gonzalez.

    Confused (none / 0) (#14)
    by plutosdad on Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 01:05:14 PM EST
    One thing I'm confused about is the uproar a couple weeks ago over the 2 prosecutors who did not quit when Obama asked everyone to. People yelled they should be fired. Why? Because they are of the wrong party? And if that's how people really feel, then why get upset over these other firings?

    I never understood how the whole "ask everyone to resign" thing got started, or how it can be supported. Firing people for their political beliefs just seems .. unimaginable to me.