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Fighting For The Policy Or The Pols?

While Ed Kilgore has done a great job highlighting the fault lines on policy between Democrats and progressives on the health issue, there is another fault line in the discussion - those who think it is important that President Obama and the Democrats get to take a victory lap on the issue and others who think that holding a parade is counterproductive to better policy outcomes in the future. After all, if you have already "solved the problem," what else would you need to do? I think that a confluence of events has actually made this a false choice. It seems to me Tom Harkin has his the sweet spot with his "starter home" formulation. Nate Silver writes:

From a policy standpoint, indeed, I think the kill-bill / public-option-or-bust strategy has helped to push the bill toward an optimal outcome. Certainly not optimal in the sense of "the best bill that the Senate could possibly have passed", or "the best bill that progressives could have hoped for". But in terms of the best bill that the Senate was actually going to pass, given the 60-vote requirement, an unpopular Congress, and an inexplicably lackluster performance from the White House, this is probably fairly close -- especially if some further concessions can be realized in conference with respect to the magnitude of the subsidies.

With that said, the downside to the kill-bill / public-option-or-bust strategy was not necessarily in terms of producing a suboptimal policy outcome. Rather, it was arguably political, both in terms of having drawn out the process, and in terms of framing the bill in negative terms both during and after its passage. You certainly haven't had a lot of people, outside of the White House and the Congress itself, going on MSNBC or CNN or Fox News and talking about the good that this bill would do. It's been trashed from both the left and the right. Is it surprising that only 30-something percent of the country still supports it?

Politically speaking, indeed, this was a very costly negotiation for the Democrats. Approval ratings for President Obama, for the Democratic Congress, and for the health care bill itself have declined slowly but quite steadily over the course of the past six months, and the Democrats will exit this debate being much more vulnerable in 2010 than they were going in. Some of that was inevitable -- ultimately, you win elections and accumulate political capital for a reason, which is to achieve your policy goals. And health care -- a big, cumbersome piece of policy that does not lend itself well to 30-second soundbyes -- tends to be especially costly from a political capital standpoint. Still, even relative to those diminished expectations, this seems to have gone quite poorly for the Democrats.

Silver makes an interesting point. If you cared about the policy outcome, then Howard Dean did a great job. If you were only concerned about the political ramifications for Obama and the Dems, then you hate Howard Dean.

That divide was reflected in the comments across the blogs and the Media. Now though, I think that Obama and the Dems have to realize that Harkin has provided the political roadmap going forward. Demanding a parade and claiming "historic" achievement in this bill is, whether you believe it or not, not good politics now. Nor will it be good for policy down the road.

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    Can't have a parade with 10% unemployment even (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by steviez314 on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 10:12:00 AM EST
    if it was a historic achievement.

    At the SOTU, call it a great foundation and talk economy and jobs immediately.

    Tell that to the Yankees. No parade? (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 11:26:25 AM EST
    You know there really was another option (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by MO Blue on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 10:48:32 AM EST
    Obama and the Dems in Congress could have come out strongly and consistently for real health care reform.

    Wishy washy statements, continuous moving of the goal posts and Democratic politicians repeating and reinforcing Republican talking points about socialized medicine was counterproductive in instilling confidence that this would be a good for people.

    It is a lot harder to sell a high priced, seriously defective product than it is to sell a lower priced quality product.

    The Dems made IMO bad choices that unfortunately we will have to live with. If it comes back and bites them on the a$$, they will have to live with the consequences of their own actions. I will not make excuses for them.

    First, Obama would have to have been (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by Anne on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 11:31:31 AM EST
    strongly in favor of real reform, and it's crystal clear to me that he wasn't, in spite of his "first we have to do this and then we have to do that and THEN we can do single payer" comments before becoming a US Senator.

    His comments re: health care reform during the campaign, the tactics he employed to scare people away from Hillary, his comments about women's reproductive rights that could be summed up as "damn! can't trust women to ever do the right thing. Better make sure they have some strong men to tell them what to do!"; he had to be forced to include a single-payer advocate at the health care summit, and that person's comments were scrubbed from the official WH reports, he made back-room deals that signaled where his priorities lay, he never fought for any of the ideas that had real people and actual health care at their core - it was always about making sure nothing got in the way of the corporate interests.

    Obama is, first, last and always for and about himself, and this "reform" effort is less about care, less about the people and ALL about (1) making sure nothing gets in the way of those campaign contributions and (2) being able to take credit for something that is a big, fat, ugly lie - that no one but he and he alone, no one before and no one after him, could ever have successfully undertaken this massive and historic reform effort.

    Congress enabled this.  The media enabled this.  The Village Bloggers went balls-to-the-wall for this.

    I think the outrage when its effects begin to be felt is going to be like nothing we have ever seen before; anyone think those responsible will accept the blame?  Yeah, me neither.


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    He never was for (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 11:58:56 AM EST
    serious reform.  He still fails to understand the depth of any of the financial problems that the country and the whole world still face as well.  He just doesn't seem to be able to allow himself to face the realities.  He will surround himself with advisors who can't face it or deal with it either.

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    Really good statement by (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by MO Blue on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 12:19:33 PM EST
    Robert Kuttner on Bill Moyers show. Touches on both policy and politics IMO.

    ROBERT KUTTNER: Think about it, the difference between social insurance and an individual mandate is this. Social insurance everybody pays for it through their taxes, so you don't think of Social Security as a compulsory individual mandate. You think of it as a benefit, as a protection that your government provides. But an individual mandate is an order to you to go out and buy some product from some private profit-making company, that in the case of a lot of moderate income people, you can't afford to buy. And the shell game here is that the affordable policies are either very high deductibles and co-pays, so you can afford the monthly premiums but then when you get sick, you have to pay a small fortune out of pocket before the coverage kicks in. Or if the coverage is decent, the premiums are unaffordable. And so here's the government doing the bidding of the private industry coercing people to buy profit-making products that maybe they can't afford and they call it health reform. link h/t digby


    Govt bidding of private (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by waldenpond on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 12:36:47 PM EST
    industry is what has me very concerned at this point.  

    I hope some have had a chance to read Wheeler. h/t to firedoglake.

    [20% of your labor belongs to Aetna

    Consider, first of all, this fact. The bill, if it became law, would legally require a portion of Americans to pay more than 20% of the fruits of their labor to a private corporation in exchange for 70% of their health care costs.]

    I am disgusted that workers are going to be forced to give up their money to corporate profit.  It is entrenching the corrupt relationship between the corpocracy and govt.  I am appalled at being forced to do this.  What are we, a bunch of serfs?

    [It's the same kind of deal peasants made under feudalism: some proportion of their labor in exchange for protection (in this case, from bankruptcy from health problems, though the bill doesn't actually require the private corporations to deliver that much protection).In this case, the federal government becomes an appendage to do collections for the corporations.]

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#13)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 04:33:23 PM EST
    why other industries don't have their hair on fire.  Some middle class people will be spending the majority of their disposable income on health insurance (not healthcare).  This means they'll be spending less on other goods and services.  Money will be concentrated in one industry (health insurance NOT health care) at the expense of all of the others....geez, even doctors should take issue with this.  

    People will be going on vacation less, buying "toys" less, eating out less, going to movies less, likely buying fewer groceries, all so they can pay for high deductible health insurance plans.

    I suppose the true effects are unknown.  But I think they'll be catastrophic to the economy.

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    Kuttner also insisted (none / 0) (#15)
    by caseyOR on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 05:11:42 PM EST
    that the bill has to be passed to protect Obama's presidency. Yes, he believes it is a cr@p bill that does not really help most people and may, in fact, hurt many people. Nonetheless, Kuttner insisted on the Moyers show that the potential damage to Obama if the bill fails trumps doing the right thing for the American people.

    Both Taibbi (the other Moyers guest) and Kuttner were big Obama supporters in the primary. Kuttner, while concerned, remains for some reason HOPEful that Obama will learn from his disastrous first year and give us all a pony next year. He seems to believe that Emanuel and and the rest of the fools in this administration are leading the innocent Obama in the wrong direction. Obama apparently has no responsibility for his own actions in Kuttner's mind.

    It is like some horrible virus has infected the minds of formerly clear-thinking people and turned them into simpering fools.

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    Heart & mind (5.00 / 0) (#11)
    by christinep on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 12:37:14 PM EST
    Somehow it has seemed that President Obama approached healthcare primarily from an intellectual perspective combined with a political strategy to take the middle ground. I won't question motives here, because his administration is close to accomplishing what so many others have tried and failed to do. Looking back before his presidency, tho, my impression was that Secretary Clinton formulated the central, cohesive approach to healthcare...and that her heartfelt argument in that regard captured the hearts of many. Yes, it would be best to have both the heart & mind fully engaged--because, for example, a pushback on a primarily intellectually engaged individual may yield a series of strategic pivots not acceptable to those also primarily emotionally engaged whereas the reverse can easily result in holding out too long and losing everything. For comments on the latter, see well-publicized statements of regret from the late Senator Kennedy as well as from former President Clinton. Today: What Senator Harkin aims for is the reunification of purpose, a bringing together of the "feuding relatives" by summing up what has happened in a positive way and by challenging his colleagues (and all of us) to keep building. He is trying to move us away from the all-or-nothing approach, to move us away from a "whose side are you on" to a head & heart combo. Harkin offers liberals and progressives a measured way of repositioning ourselves, for consolidating for the next phase via his straightforward message.  

    Feh (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Pacific John on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 12:48:48 PM EST
    Parade or no parade? I'm not sure it will matter.

    But I dissent about Kilgore correctly outlining the major fault line.

    The assertion that Obama and his army of wonks are successfully using private entities for public good simply doesn't parse: Private, yes. Public good, no. This is the New Democrat movement's tactics with amoral disregard for people.

    Everyone seems to have forgotten FDR: Do things that yield positive results whether they rely upon private or public means. (Hello: we have over 10% unemployment, and I have seen so many families begging at shopping centers, that I'm not going out again for days. I saw one pale elderly distinguished man with a sign asking for help to pay for his sister's funeral).

    But the major flaw is that the alleged New Democrat Obama has disregard for private parties like entrepreneurs and dovetails with huge corporations that are "too big to fail."

    Can't Trust Supposed (none / 0) (#2)
    by azhealer on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 10:20:15 AM EST

    'progressive democrats' in Congress to protect us from big insurers and phrma...

    It is time for all progressives to get behind the "Arizona Health Care Freedom Act" -- www.azhealthcarefreedom.com

    no mandates... we need to act to protect our rights

    Axelrod: Obama supports Drug Reimportantion (none / 0) (#7)
    by Dan the Man on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 12:05:58 PM EST
    From Atrios

    '"Let me be clear. The president supports re-importation."
    CNN's John King countered, "Just not in this healthcare reform?"  
    "Yes," Axelrod said.'

    Need I say this?  11th dimensional chess at its very finest.

    It's clearly just a lie (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 12:11:05 PM EST
    Did they ask Axe to explain the mandate flip-flop?

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    I don't support drug reimportation (none / 0) (#14)
    by FreakyBeaky on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 05:01:39 PM EST
    How many pharmaceutical drugs are Canada and Mexico supposed to import from us and then export back to bring down prices here?  Shouldn't we just do our own bulk negotiation to bring down prices here?  Are other nations and their people supposed to do everything for us?

    It's a red herring, and it won't work.  The fact that the feds aren't allowed to negotiate domestic prices down is what ought to chap everyone's @ss.

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    I can see three ways Silver is wrong here (none / 0) (#16)
    by FreakyBeaky on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 05:45:11 PM EST
    1.  The White House's performance was neither lackluster nor inexplicable.  They didn't fight for the public option or the medicare expansion because they didn't want them, and they left it to the Senate (by which I mean maybe five Senators) to stick the knife in.

    2.  30% approval is the result of the Senate stripping out the most  popular parts of the bill (see #1), not "framing."

    3.  Public-option-or-bust is NOT why the process has been dragged out (see #1).  That's just not where the blame lies.