Wednesday Afternoon Open Thread

The Civil War (Oregon-Oregon State) is tomorrow night at Autzen Stadium in Eugene. The winner is the Pac 10 champ and heads to the Rose Bowl to pummel Big Ten champ Ohio State.

The Game of the Decade! (Alabama-Florida) is Saturday. Gator DE Carlos Dunlap has been suspended indefinitely. I assume his Gator career is over.

This is an Open Thread.

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    PS... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:20:46 PM EST
    ...is today not Wednesday?  If its not, I'm going to p*ssed...

    I second that... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 03:07:03 PM EST
    a full week after a holiday week need not be lengthened any further!!

    Amen to that, brother! n/t (none / 0) (#28)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 03:10:01 PM EST
    To make it seem even longer... (none / 0) (#29)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 03:22:42 PM EST
    C Division Championship Game is this Sunday...making the week feel even that much longer.  We sh*t the bed in the semis in the B...really want this C Title and the second championship fleece of my rec-league career.  

    After the game last week we had the police bustin' our nuts for the post-game beers...no drinking in the park and all.  We told them we never ever leave a can behind, we pay our taxes, and to please bother somebody else...and they let us be!  It was pretty cool...thought we were all gettin' summonses for sure.


    Chomping at the bit... (none / 0) (#36)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 04:09:48 PM EST
    ...for a chance at redemption, are ya'?  Well, best of luck!

    How much do they extort from you for drinking in the park?  


    Thanks man... (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 04:49:26 PM EST
    the 1 vs 2 seed...we beat 'em by a td in the regular season...we shall see.

    The sad part is its only 25 bucks to pay 'em off, but if you show up to court you beat it almost everytime...its a nonsensical waste of time.


    somehow missed (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:24:51 PM EST
    that yesterday was World Aids Day. here is a rather sad gallery of famous faces lost.

    I remember being threatened during the primaries (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by ChiTownDenny on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 04:00:44 PM EST
    and the subsequent election that if I don't vote "D", abortion rights as we know them could end.  Well, I voted "D".  What say you Stupak and Nelson?

    Looks like the NY Senate is acting (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 01:01:49 PM EST
    on marriage equality. If it passes, this will be a big part Governor Paterson's legacy. Not bad.

    No dice (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:00:25 PM EST
    Sounds like the vote was a mistake.

    IMO, I think voting is good (none / 0) (#6)
    by dk on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:04:18 PM EST
    on this no matter whether it goes our way or not.  I say have a vote every day if need be.  I'm confident in time enough people will recognize the bigotry of those who vote no and we'll eventually get the right outcome.  I almost feel sorry for those who are voting no, as their childrena and grandchildren will be so ashamed of their public stand years from now.

    And it was an especially "proud" day to be a Democrat when the leading bigot in the state senate (a Democrat) was able to cite the current Democratic) U.S. President's opposition to gay marriage to justify his vote.  Ugh.


    Well, this is why I didn't watch the video (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:08:01 PM EST
    But with a loss of this side, you really have to wonder whose ox is being gored. It wasn't even a narrow vote, apparently.

    Back to the courts.


    I don't even think it's a matter (none / 0) (#9)
    by dk on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:11:43 PM EST
    of "back to" the courts.  There can and should be a multi-pronged strategy.  

    As for the size of the vote, well I would imagine the real decision was based on a smaller number of undecideds, but that once they decided on no there were some others who just didn't want to stick their necks out.  In other words, the final number is likely somewhat misleading.  


    I would not underestimate the importance (none / 0) (#10)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:15:44 PM EST
    of political momentum on judicial momentum--and vice-versa.

    I honestly believe that this will come down to the psychological satisfaction of Anthony Kennedy at the end of the day (I would actually expect him to be leaning in the right direction now, given that in many ways he is the quintessential "village" Justice). And if he votes the wrong way, it'll take 30 years to move ahead again.


    It's not that I disagree with you (none / 0) (#13)
    by dk on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:21:30 PM EST
    about momentum, however I think that both political and judicial momentum can change much more quickly than I think you do.  It certainly did here in Massachusetts.

    Also, I'm not so sure the question is going to get to the Supremes that quickly.  I think by the time it gets there it's possible that the composition of Court could be quite different.


    If the whole country were Massachusetts (none / 0) (#16)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:25:34 PM EST
    we would be having a very different discussion, I think.

    I think the Boies-Olson case will likely reach the Court either during this Presidential term or the next one--assuming that we have at least one win at the district or circuit level (and that's a BIG assumption). I would worry about losing Ginsburg before I would expect Thomas or Scalia (let alone Roberts, Alito, or Kennedy) to step aside.

    Breyer I also worry about. It seems to me that he is actually worse on questions of liberty than Kennedy.


    Have you read (none / 0) (#18)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:32:04 PM EST
    Breyer's book?

    Nope, I've read his decisions (none / 0) (#19)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:36:41 PM EST
    This dissent is weighing on my mind.

    Even as recently as 20 years (none / 0) (#20)
    by dk on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:37:14 PM EST
    ago, the Catholic church had a major political choke hold on this kind of stuff in Massachusetts (even stronger than the church's influence in NY now).  And marriage equality didn't seem too high on people's radar here into Margaret Marshall did her courageous deed on the Massachsuetts Supreme Judicial Court.

    Momentum can change quickly, it can change on a dime, and it can change for all sorts of reasons (see church molestation scandal).  IMO, the best thing to do is keep firing on all cylinders in the meantime though.

    If the case reaches the Court that soon, my prediction is they would try to craft as narrow a ruling as possible.


    Incidentally, given that the Assembly (none / 0) (#21)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:37:51 PM EST
    again passed the bill, and overwhelmingly, it's hard to overstate how important it is that Democrats draw the NY Senate map in 2011.

    The NY State Senate... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:07:18 PM EST
    is the mistake:)

    "Indefinitely" more likely means (none / 0) (#2)
    by coast on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 01:10:28 PM EST
    he is out for good if we are not playing for a national championship.  If FL beats Alabama, I can see UM saying that until the courts have had their say, he is presumed innocent and should not be denied the right to play.

    The other civil war is tonight (none / 0) (#3)
    by Dadler on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 01:23:41 PM EST
    USD vs. San Diego State.

    Diversions and delights.

    Go OSU! (none / 0) (#4)
    by ruffian on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 01:37:06 PM EST
    On behalf of family members of professors.

    So, BTD... (none / 0) (#11)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:19:39 PM EST
    ...who's going to replace Bobby Bowden?  Maybe you should throw your name in the hat!

    Jimbo somebody (none / 0) (#14)
    by ruffian on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:22:47 PM EST
    that was already predetermined...maybe he is just a ringer for BTD!

    Someone... (none / 0) (#17)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:27:08 PM EST
    ...already on the staff?  You'd think they'd want to make a clean break from the Bowden regime.

    opinions requested (none / 0) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:38:15 PM EST
    considering giving Netflix subscriptions for christmas gifts.

    good idea?

    bad idea?

    practically no one in my family is a member as far as I know and I think the would all enjoy it.
    or maybe not.

    Interesting idea (none / 0) (#23)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:44:06 PM EST
    It's a little more open than a magazine subscription (which IMO has many merits as a gift), but is of about the same duration.

    You could just ask (unless you're really into the whole surprise element).


    its the kind of thing (none / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:54:52 PM EST
    that sounds sort of annoying until you try it.  I avoided it for years until my coworkers sold me on it and now I cant imaging life without it.

    My perspective is that my cable bill is high (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 03:00:23 PM EST
    enough for a service that I don't use 23hrs out of the day.

    they (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:59:09 PM EST
    Even Easier....ROKU (none / 0) (#33)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 04:04:43 PM EST
    Have you seen this? The connector box eliminates the mailing of DVDs from Netflix and you just select and watch directly from your TV. My daughter has one on her tv and the family loves it.

    interesting (none / 0) (#35)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 04:07:01 PM EST
    I do think most "boxes" game and other wise will soon be obsolete.  but so is my family.

    Oregon (none / 0) (#30)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 03:32:39 PM EST
    beat my niece's team in women's basketball, so I officially hate them.  So Go BEAV's!

    Wait till David Stern... (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 03:56:43 PM EST
    gets a load of this...Ron Artest admits to drinking at halftime of games when he was with the Bulls.

    And criticizes officials...a long-time Stern favorite.  Link

    Ya gotta like Ron...at least a little.  Honest to a fault.

    Probably going to be the (none / 0) (#34)
    by brodie on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 04:06:48 PM EST
    only time in my life that I've rooted for anything or anyone from Alabama, but here's an early good luck wish for the Crimson Tide to upset the overexposed and annoyingly self-righteous conservative Tim Tebow and the Gators.

    Also pulling for Nebraska to upset TX.  Not a big fan, generally, of the overexposed and annoyingly self-righteous Lone Star State, especially for the couple of wacko warmongers they've sent to the WH.

    Hoping somehow, against all hope and reason, for a Boisé Etat vs Cincy BCS Championship Game.    

    Who isnt waiting with bated breath (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 04:14:42 PM EST
    for Tebow to again "will his team to victory" or "carry the Gators down the field on his back" the way he did last year with minimal help from Harvin, Demps, excellent recievers and a great offensive line? (sic)

    No worries... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 04:54:51 PM EST
    he'll be getting the Sanchez treatment in no time unless he gets Flutied...I doubt it though.

    Whadya think of your new coach?  T.O. likes him I see.


    He has a pulse and seems to experience (none / 0) (#40)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 05:33:16 PM EST
    and communicate actual human feelings, which is already a step in the right direction. And the players dont have worry any more about hanging garlic in their lockers for protection against the undead, besides.

    He seems like a good man and a bright football guy and the players (genuinely this time) all seem to like him, even though the nutzo fans around here aren't willing to give him a chance and all have their hearts and wishful thinking set on Shanahan, Holmgren, Parcells, the possible reincarnation of Vince Lombardi etc etc

    Just to show you how sick the fan thing is, Im actually starting to like T.O. And he's not even gonna be in Buffalo next year. Go figure.

    Your boys lost their best offensive and defensive players -- Washington never got enough props,IMO -- talk about a tough row to hoe. I have a feeling Sanchez is going to wind up being really good, if he can deal with all the scrutiny and finger pointing he's been getting and will coninue to get. The guys got the tools, the same way Stafford does. Tough job to work miracles at in your first year, though.