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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics
Posted on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 05:49:02 PM EST
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. . . you are are an ego maniac. So sayeth Ezra Klein:

Howard Dean is exhorting Democrats to kill the bill because it doesn't have a Medicare buy-in proposal. Sigh. [. . ] In the end, this isn't about them, and though their states and their pet issues might benefit if they tried to make it about them, the process, and thus the result, would be endangered.

What an a**hole. Ezra can not imagine that Howard Dean just might effin' disagree with him on thinking passing this bill is good policy. Listen to your Village Wonk Blogger Very Serious People and just STFU. He's no better than Tom Friedman.

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    Lemme see . . . . (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by nycstray on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 05:52:24 PM EST
    Listen to Howard Dean . .  or listen to Ezra . . . lol!~ no-brainer!  ;)

    Listen to whomever you want (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 05:54:49 PM EST
    But just because someone disagrees with you that does not make them bad people.

    Ezra is now so effin full of himself that he is the new Tom Friedman.

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    Just my way of expressing (none / 0) (#3)
    by nycstray on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 06:00:15 PM EST
    my opinion of Ezra. Yes, I agree, he is an a**hole and effin full of himself.

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    Ezra is a precocious 12-year old (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by shoephone on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 06:23:53 PM EST
    Howard Dean is a doctor, and a former governor who actually delivered health care to the people of Vermont. Who are you going to listen to?

    Dean says "kill the bill" because he knows it is a steaming pile of carp.

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    Why do I care? (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by NealB on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 07:04:23 PM EST
    I read the putz almost every day. Bad habits are hard to break. He used to seem to care when he had his own blog. Then he got the WaPo gig.

    Now he's a corporate whore.

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    Oh brother (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by cawaltz on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 06:11:10 PM EST
    Now I'm to believe it's "heroic" to vote for the POS health care deform being floated.

    Yeah, just like it was "patriotic" to support a war started with cherry picked intel.

    Whatevah!

    Idiocy ... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 07:00:21 PM EST
    from Ezra:

    If this bill passes, it will not be because Lieberman was pacified. It will be because senators such as Rockefeller, Wyden, Schumer, Harkin, Brown and Dodd swallowed their pride and their passion and allowed him to be pacified. They are the heroes here, and beneath it all, their quiet determination made them the key players.

    If these guys are heroes I guess that would make Ezra a "superhero".

    He's not a Tom Friedmen.  He's one of the X-Men.  No, that's not enough, he's ALL of the X-men!

    Well, at least Superman was (none / 0) (#13)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 07:16:47 PM EST
    honest enough to acknowledge that there was a problem.  I am not sure any of these folks are rising to that standard at this point I am sad to say.

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    Hang on a second... (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by Anne on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 07:37:16 PM EST
    Am I reading this right?

    In the end, this isn't about them, and though their states and their pet issues might benefit if they tried to make it about them, the process, and thus the result, would be endangered

    This is just an extension of the same kind of thing we saw in 2008 - it was all about winning, and it doesn't matter what it is that is being won.

    Jesus, talk about wanking...

    It's evidently a FEATURE (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by cawaltz on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 07:48:56 PM EST
    and not a bug Anne ;). I get the impression this is all some big ol' game to these guys.

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    A Game (none / 0) (#18)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 09:02:51 PM EST
    Yup. That's exactly what they think.

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    Oh man (2.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Steve M on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 06:10:16 PM EST
    And to think, Dr. Dean was a genius all this time he was telling people to support the Senate bill even with all its flaws.  Apparently anyone whose breaking point is short of Ezra Klein's is a cold-blooded killer.

    I wonder what Howard Dean would have to do to gain some credibility as a good-faith actor in the realm of health care.  Apparently he's not there yet.

    "They" aren't interested in (none / 0) (#20)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 12:12:39 AM EST
    good faith actors like Dean.  He's not listened to and discredited precisely because that's what he is.  He doesn't count because he's not a playah and has never been willing to be at the cost of his soul.

    Dr. Dean is a mensch, is what he is.

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    I think Ezra honestly believes that this is the (none / 0) (#4)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 06:04:24 PM EST
    best possible bill, and as such killing it would be a concious decision to deny healthcare to those covered by the medicaid expanison, as well as those who are currently unable to purchase coverage due to pre-existing conditions.

    He can honestly believe that (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 06:06:50 PM EST
    and recognize someone else honestly believes otherwise.

    Sh*t, I honestly believe a lot of stuff the people here disagree with - Obama's Af/Pak policy, a constitutional preventive detention regime, free trade, TARP - and you do not see me sighing at them.

    Now if you tell lies, I get hot, but other than that, everyone has the right to a reasonable opinion.

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    I greatly value Howard Dean's opinion (none / 0) (#12)
    by Politalkix on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 07:06:51 PM EST
    and I believe in his integrity. There are lots of good reason to kill the bill, the mandates without the public option itself is sufficient reason to do so.
    Actually, I would be a lot more inclined to call for killing the bill, if I knew that we could start once more from scratch, soon. Unfortunately, my feeling is that if this bill dies, it will be another 15 years before a HCR bill is brought up again.
    However, if the bill passes, I would like a credible public or non-profit option and cost cutting reforms on individual premiums inserted through reconciliation within a year or so. If the bill passes, I would like it to be treated as a work in progress, not an accomplishment.

    BTD, I would also like to convey my appreciation for your tolerance of honest disagreement. Actually, it may be the only reason why I come back to TL sometimes when I know that most of my posts elicit snarks and snide remarks from the majority of posters.

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    Dean makes the point that (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 07:22:29 PM EST
    the next Congresses and the next Presidents won't really have the luxury of ignoring the healthcare problem if nothing is done now.  I agree with him actually.  It is obvious that the situation has to get more dire before it will be acted upon in earnest.

    The irony is that like the economic troubles we face, the healthcare problem is probably not quite bad enough to provoke real common sense reform.  If we pass this healthcare bill it will be used as a shield against real reform - its defenders will insist that it be given time to work - it is a delay tactic that only favors the private insurers and ultimately denies at least a decade of real progress.  Not passing a bill now in my opinion will yield better odds for real reform quickly than this bill will.

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    See, the problem, Politakix (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 12:08:29 AM EST
    is we've seen this too many times before.  You're a beautiful example of a well-meaning liberal who is a total chump for getting blackmailed by the "forces of darkness."

    They won't come back next year, or the year after that, and "fix" it.  They never, ever do.  Whatever gets through now is as good as it's going to get until we reach a real crisis point, and even then only if we have your typical half-hearted Dem. congress, which might be able to get its act together enough to tinker around the edges and forestall disaster for another few years.

    You keep on letting the right wing, or the Liebermans, force you to accept half a loaf, or in this case about a tenth of a loaf, and nothing of any importance will ever get done.

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    ezra is a centrist (none / 0) (#16)
    by skippybkroo on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 07:37:39 PM EST
    he goes along to get along.  he's not really a progressive, lest-wise he wouldn't have been hired by wapo.

    he and others (tapped) truly believe that a rotten bill is better than no bill.

    i don't.  this bill in effect hands money to the insurance cos.  not worse than no bill at all.

    There's more than one doctor (none / 0) (#21)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 01:58:22 PM EST
    close to this mess, and Dean lost my trust and respect over a year ago.
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