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Posted on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:40:19 PM EST
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Obama's self grade:

Here's how he answered when Oprah asked him to grade himself:

Obama: Good solid B-plus. I think that we have inherited the biggest set of challenges of any president since Frankiln Delano Roosevelt. We stabilized the economy, prevented the possibilities of a great depression, or a significant financial meltdown. The economy is growing again, we are on our way out of Iraq, I think we've got the best possible plan for Afghanistan, we have reset our image around the world, we have achieved an international consensus around the need for Iran and North Korea to disable their nuclear weapons, and I think that we're gonna pass the most significant piece of social legislation since social security and that's health insurance for every American.

Oprah: So B-plus--what could you have done better?

Obama: Well, B-plus because of the things that are undone. Health care is not yet signed. If I get health care passed, we tip into A-minus.

Allrighty then.

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    For those playing all along at home (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:41:22 PM EST
    The CORRECT answer Obama should have given was obvious - "Incomplete."

    The political chops are slipping.

    Adding the '+' (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by ruffian on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:17:55 PM EST
    shows he thought about a stupid question way too much.

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    I thought the "+" meant (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by sleepingdogs on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:24:32 PM EST
    he really feltt it should be an "A," but he was too (falsely) modest to say so.

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    Oh no, he is so modest that (none / 0) (#47)
    by ruffian on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:03:18 PM EST
    he thinks signing HCR will only get him to an A-!

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    Three more years (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:07:10 PM EST
    Imagine what our future holds if he thinks what he has done so far earns him a B+.

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    would that be on (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by cpinva on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:24:35 PM EST
    the version his constituents received, as a lovely parting gift?

    For those playing all along at home

    the CORRECT answer would be: "um, i haven't actually been to class in a while."

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    I have him at C- (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:46:23 PM EST
    That is obviously an improvement from W, but in my experience, it's also barely passing.

    Yeah C/C- (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:48:05 PM EST
    I think that it depends on whether you agree with him on Afghanistan. I give him a C.

    I give him an F for answering the question with anything but "incomplete."

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    With Obama its all facade (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by pluege on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:55:51 PM EST
    the quality of his measures and accomplishments could barely be worse if he were a republican. I say "F" regardless of his answer.

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    Exactly. (none / 0) (#22)
    by ruffian on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:12:40 PM EST
    No pol should ever answer that question.

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    And your grade (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by jbindc on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    in graduate school is actually a failing grade. I think the Presidency is at least equivalent to grad school.

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    The correct answer would have (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by inclusiveheart on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:47:53 PM EST
    been to have shown a bit of humility and said that that was going to be up to the American people to decide over the course of his administration.  I agree that it is an incomplete, but I wouldn't have a politician make that statement about him or herself - just because the soundbite would be too potent and easy to take out of context - sort of like this B+ thing is going to be.

    Political chops are slipping indeed.

    This is what (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 01:35:40 AM EST
    we get when a clueless child is in the White House.

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    True (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:48:31 PM EST


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    "Stabilized the Economy".... (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:50:02 PM EST
    that ain't the whole truth...he may have stabilized the Wall St. economy, the top 5%'s economy...but the rest of the economy is pretty freakin' far from stable.

    B+...I'd shudder to think what he thinks gets a C, D, or an F.

    Its the New Democrat thing (none / 0) (#12)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:57:46 PM EST
    Since the fall of Carter we've basically decided that the Economy is the Stock Market- look, at the 1980s and 1990s little to no real wage growth-- negative growth among non-white collar workers, but both Reagan and Clinton are considered President's who brought massive economic prosperity (and to a large extent- overall GDP growth, employment etc, they did but if you look at the economic life of the common man its at best a wash and possibly consider those two decades set the stage for what could be an unsustainable transition to a pure service economy-- watch what happens as the Indian and Chinese investments in education come to full fruit and the educated class is off-shored-- why should American Programmers and Engineers be any more successful in protecting their jobs than the Steel Workers and Automakers of past decades).

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    Not programmers and engineers. (none / 0) (#18)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:02:11 PM EST
    A buddy of mine has built and sold a half-dozen or so software co's and he gets his legal work done in India. Once it's done, it's reviewed and signed-off on by his US attorney. In fact, it's worked so well for him he now owns a couple of these law firms in India...

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    Great just great (none / 0) (#24)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:13:30 PM EST
    I thought I was applying for school in one of the few industries my generation could count on not being off-shored, man I might as well go to grad school if I'm going to be underemployed and up to my neck in debt most of my life it might as well be for a reason I believe in.

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    If you're looking... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:29:58 PM EST
    for a non offshore-able career...there is always drug dealer...do it right and it pays real good too:)

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    Excitement too (none / 0) (#41)
    by jbindc on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:45:53 PM EST
    Could be shot at, arrested, etc.    :)

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    If things continue... (none / 0) (#43)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:56:07 PM EST
    on the course of the past few decades the only chance to make a decent living in this country will be as an outlaw.

    So its either the outlaw route, know a ranking party member who can hook you up, ball like Lebron/rap like Jay-Z, or start practicing "you want fries with that?"...:)

    Besides...you don't need to be a dealer, or even break the law, to be shot or arrested 'round here jb.


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    If the situation continues to deteriorate, (none / 0) (#53)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:38:05 PM EST
    at present it's about a 20 percent real unemployment rate,and civil laws favor the wealthy more and more, such as a lack of cramdown, the effects of the latest bankruptcy reform acts from a few years ago, the student loan exception from bankruptcy, and the banks getting a wash, or perhaps it should be Banks versus banks...

    might be some wild rovers all over the place. Isn't a movie coming out about John Dillinger? He was popular among a lot of the population in the early 30s.

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    I figured out... (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:54:39 PM EST
    how we get that new New Deal...start robbing banks!  

    Worked in the 30's...like most animals, the ruling class responds to nothing like it responds to fear.

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    How do you think most of Europe (none / 0) (#67)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 03:49:15 PM EST
    got single-payer health care, plus 35-hour workweeks, 6 - 8 weeks vacation, etc?

    Pure terror-- of the national communist parties.  Only way they could fend them off was to co-opt their program.  Worked great.  Too bad we never had a real CP in this country.

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    That works too... (none / 0) (#68)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 03:54:26 PM EST
    make it rob banks or quote Marx while on general strike.

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    But we did have Huey Long (none / 0) (#74)
    by MKS on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 05:15:16 PM EST
    in the 1930s--the next best thing.....

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    Well that and having defense subsidized for a half (none / 0) (#77)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 10:39:26 PM EST
    century (notice French, British and to a lessers degree German social spending exploding in the wake of the second world war- while there defense and foriegn affairs spending as a portion of GDP cratered).

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    Upside (none / 0) (#58)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:58:27 PM EST
    one of the two "failure" options includes free healthcare, and the other removes the need for healthcare altogether.

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    Why not rob banks AND quote Marx? (none / 0) (#72)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 04:30:52 PM EST


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    "Last night..." (none / 0) (#76)
    by shoephone on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 07:25:59 PM EST
    "...I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I'll never know."

    "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to see anyway."

    At least Groucho understood the humor contained in a dangling modifier.

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    The jobs you're (none / 0) (#79)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 01:44:32 AM EST
    talking about are not geographic.

    Plumber, carpenter, electrician, etc. are geographic and can't be outsourced.

    Of course that only works out if people can afford a plumber, carpenter or electrician.

    But that's what's really left and that's why more education, the alleged bromide, won't help much.

    The hard truth is that there's simply nowhere to go.

    Only significant changes in trade agreements can change all of that.

    You really didn't think that outsourcing would stop at blue collar jobs did you?

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    I'm very skeptical of Indian legal work (none / 0) (#57)
    by MKS on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:55:37 PM EST
    The mega firms have offshored document review, I believe.

    Anything else, really would be hard to make work.  There is a significant communications component to legal work that would be hard for a boilerroom in India to duplicate.  But it all depends on what kind of legal work.  Paralegal type stuff could be offshored--filling in corp forms etc.  But running a merger, acquisition, or IPO from India--never going to happen.

    An Indian trial lawyer--illegal.  And, how about just brief writing--nope, clients who hire the cut-and-paste lawyers always regret it.  Customized documents is always the way to go.

    The mega firms are facing signficant downward pressure in prices--more so than the last downturn in the 90s.  Smaller firms with lower billing rates can do very well in this market.

    And, what about the most lucrative area of practice right now, the modern day version of the old gravy train of the 70s and 80s--the new version of the old anti-trust case?  In other words, could Indian lawyers glom onto the IP work?  Not a chance....

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    Probably so, I didn't press him (none / 0) (#61)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 03:28:18 PM EST
    as to what exact legal work he had done. Like you said I assume it was fairly routine "just read the (US/CA/whatever) lawbook and do it" type stuff. Whaever it was, it worked well for him.

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    Still interesting (none / 0) (#73)
    by MKS on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 05:14:18 PM EST
    and anecdotal evidence that will scare the bejesus out of bigger firms....I'll pass it along....

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    It already scares (none / 0) (#81)
    by jbindc on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 06:27:09 AM EST
    those of us who do document review work for a living here in the US....

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    Apparently he takes Charles Barkely's (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:51:09 PM EST
    advise to heart:
    "You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."
    You're making me wish... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:56:00 PM EST
    Sir Charles was the pres...love 'em or hate 'em at least you know where he stands.

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    Didn't he also once claim ... (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 03:40:14 PM EST
    he was misquoted in his autobiography?

    ;)

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    Gawd I miss the big goof; after SirC they broke .. (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ellie on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:48:17 PM EST
    ... the mold, largely by popular demand. :-)

    I'll bet he had precisely the same number of hard-core fans as visceral haters. I could never figure out how he managed to be such a good player, given that he never seemed able to vertically lift that big can of his more than 5".

    (Maybe he did it when I wasn't watching.)

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    I don't get it . . . . (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by nycstray on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:56:02 PM EST
    I think that we're gonna pass the most significant piece of social legislation since social security and that's health insurance for every American.

    social legislation? really? mandated unaffordable health insurance and a big ol' pay day to the industry is the next big social legislation next to SS (which he'll prob f*** with next)? And really, kinda funny how he thinks it so big he just sits on the sidelines . . .

    any way grade: I agree, incomplete. But, on his way to F for Failure if he doesn't get his sh*t together. Or perhaps D for delusional . . .  

    Its funny but looking back (none / 0) (#16)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:01:06 PM EST
    almost every major reform post 1948 has been a bonanza for either the Health Care industry (Medicare for example boosted physician profits initially by increasing the overall patient base) or the Health Insurance Industry (MMA 2003 was great, as the Clinton care plan in 1993 would have been awesome for the large insurance firms-it would have gashed the small firms though).  

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    It should (none / 0) (#80)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 02:15:40 AM EST
    be understood that more resources on the demand side means more prosperity at the top as well.

    That's what conservatives, finance people and other business types don't seem capable of understanding in today's world.  Naked greed kills brain cells.

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    My local Mayor (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:58:57 PM EST
    My local Mayor once gave himself a B+ for a snow removal situation that left the largest city in the Northwest literally paralyzed for days, all culminating in a bus -- that was delivering kids home from Eastern Washington -- sliding over a railing and partway onto the freeway.

    The next election cycle, the mayor didn't even survive the primary.

    B+ is a very, very unlucky grade to give yourself.

    LOL. You beat me to the punch! (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by shoephone on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:04:39 PM EST


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    Irony-plus: Nickels chaired the US Conf. of Mayors (none / 0) (#75)
    by RonK Seattle on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 06:30:07 PM EST
    ... at the time.

    And lost the top-two primary to a pair of third-tier candidates.

    In fairness, Mayor Nickels gave himself a straight "B", not a "B+".

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    Good gawd (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:59:49 PM EST
    talk about an overinflated sense of self. I don't know when I've seen such an arrogant and clueless statement.

    Audacity (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by Madeline on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:04:53 PM EST


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    Obama reminds me of my outgoing mayor! (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by shoephone on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:02:01 PM EST
    Words of warning for Obama:

    Last December, Seattle was in the grip of a week-long snowstorm. We don't get snow in the city too often, but this storm was publicized many days beforehand and everyone knew what to expect. The City should have gotten snowplows lined up, and salt at the ready. Instead, practically nothing was done. Most major streets went unplowed for days. Public transportation was a joke. The city (and many businesses) basically shut down for the duration. It became a disaster for the mayor and the transportation director. After it was all over, the mayor held an infamous press conference, where he gave himself a grade of B+ for his handling of events. The citizens howled, giving him an F. The snowstorm events and his egotistical press conference afterwards are considered two of the main reasons he has now been THROWN OUT OF OFFICE. We will have new mayor in January.

    Be careful, Obama. You're sounding like a fata$$, bought-and-paid-for mayor, who couldn't handle a six-day snowstorm.

    What universe is he living in? (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by mmc9431 on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:23:25 PM EST
    I give him a A+ for arrogence and an F for effort.

    Well, one thing's for sure, Obama isn't (5.00 / 5) (#35)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:30:23 PM EST
    learning much about humility, is he?

    I know I shouldn't be, but I am pretty much stunned that he is so out of touch that he does not know that it isn't health insurance that all Americans want, it's the ability to access affordable CARE.

    And the fact that he thinks he will tip over into A- if he gets a bill signed is as jaw-dropping an example of grade inflation - not to mention ego-inflation - as I have ever seen.

    I don't know what got into you today, BTD, but my blood pressure must be off the charts; I think Tracy and I have to have a couple of drinks together, except I hate gin, so mine has to be something else.

    When you hire an inexperienced employee (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by Cream City on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:39:45 PM EST
    you don't expect A work right away.  If you voted for him, it was your call to not hire a more experienced employee -- and you, as voters, get an F.

    Oh, Cream City, let the primaries go. (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:45:26 PM EST
    Why just today on this very website we are again reminded intellect matters; experience doesn't.

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    Ha. Nope, that's not what (none / 0) (#44)
    by Cream City on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:01:02 PM EST
    that comment was about.  It was about learning for the future and what can be done to fix the party leadership that caused this problem, or we will find ourselves in variations of this fix far beyond the Obama years.  

    But some here will not want to face that and will make it about the past.

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    and have lebron steal those fries! lol (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by cpinva on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:28:51 PM EST
    So its either the outlaw route, know a ranking party member who can hook you up, ball like Lebron/rap like Jay-Z, or start practicing "you want fries with that?"...:)

    try janitorial services as your career. doesn't require educational debt, and it isn't offshoreable.

    True... (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 03:35:57 PM EST
    there are a couple options better than burger-flipper without selling out too bad, like the custodial arts or most of the trades...bartending is another one, aka legal drug dealing:)

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    Man, I can't even eye-roll O and his fans anymore (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Ellie on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:41:47 PM EST
    ... for fear of permanently damaging my already severely bone-bruised sockets.

    I've reconciled myself to calculating the distance to which his hard-core fans will go to avoid stating the obvious -- that he's a massive failure so far -- or criticizing him at all.

    The country's at fault. Congress is at fault. His true believers are at fault for not clapping harder, &c.

    I got slammed as a racist for saying he was the biggest empty fauxgressive symbol of accomplishment since the black Ghostbuster showed up on the scene with no explanation whatsoever.

    Ernie Hudson (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Shawn on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 03:23:40 PM EST
    "I have seen s*** that will turn you white!"

    I'd give Obama an A++ if he said that in an interview.

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    He's the lesser of two (none / 0) (#62)
    by jondee on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 03:34:12 PM EST
    fauxgressives.

    So what, we're suddenly righteous because the absolute limit of our "progressive" political imagination is circumscribed by a Redbook hawk with a pocketful of insurence lobby money?

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    I have things to do today (none / 0) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:45:10 PM EST
    But much of the existing reality is beginning to make Gin and bed look that much better.  And if he gets this crappy reform passed you get a "C" Obama.  Whenever you consider your best effort a waste of your own personal time but you make sure to only put in enough effort to not fail.....you get a "C".  Everybody knows this except you it seems.

    Really an answer to the question: (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:53:00 PM EST
    Why don't students just grade themselves?

    Wait.. (none / 0) (#13)
    by TheRealFrank on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 12:58:49 PM EST
    "Health insurance for every American"?

    That's new.

    Wel\l, except for 24 million. (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:14:53 PM EST


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    not really (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by cawaltz on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:17:49 PM EST
    The part he leaves out is you will likely be paying through the nose for it and it won't really provide you full coverage should you get something really bad like cancer.

    But hey you'll have insurance or the IRS will be contacting you to let you know how much you owe them for your "fine"

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    heh (none / 0) (#32)
    by nycstray on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:23:36 PM EST
    nice description of "the most significant piece of social legislation since social security" . . .

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    Heard this on the radio this morning (none / 0) (#20)
    by jbindc on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:03:38 PM EST
    I literally laughed out loud.

    Delunsional, indeed.

    C. Just below Gerald Ford. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:13:18 PM EST


    Oh, ouch. (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:16:00 PM EST


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    Wait until he pardons Cheney (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by ruffian on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:20:41 PM EST


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    what's the diff between (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:30:58 PM EST
    a pardon and a non-prosecution?

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    excellent point (none / 0) (#45)
    by ruffian on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:01:10 PM EST


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    Ford continued de-escalation from Vietnam, + ford. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:35:56 PM EST
    and his 2nd Attorney General, Ed Levi, was the best in my political lifetime on rolling back surveillance abuses. + Ford

    on economics, both Ford and obama inherited the costs of failed wars, neither particularly effective on pulling us out. Tied.

    Environment, small + Obama.

    Ford had the advantage of an independent Congress to do the heavy lifting.

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    Wow Ben (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:18:57 PM EST


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    Wish I would have gone to law school (none / 0) (#39)
    by jbindc on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 01:44:23 PM EST
    at U of C and taken his classes - he's apparently a big proponent of grade inflation!

    Hardly surprising (none / 0) (#46)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:02:35 PM EST
    I would also not be surprised if the questions Oprah would be asking were either submitted to her by Obama's handlers, or had to be submitted to them and approved prior to the interview.

    This is a wonderful opening, though, to create a Report Card by the general public and mail the grades to the WH for their files. We can list all the important issues from the public's point of view and grade them individually.

    In case there remain any doubters that Obama felt perfectly comfortable winning and accepting that Nobel prize, I trust they now see he has very low expectations of what it takes for him to achieve top honors.

    Well, since Oprah asked Obama (none / 0) (#52)
    by KeysDan on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 02:29:49 PM EST
    what grade would he give himself for this year, incomplete might not be the right answer--better, perhaps, would have been to let it go with his comment on the challenges he inherited and that the administration certainly earns an E for effort on several fronts.  His self-grading opens himself up to our check on grade inflation. The "tipping" into A- with health care (unqualified as to the result) supports notions of any bill will do. Moreover, I wondered about his self-laudatory comment of a consensus on the need for Iran and North Korea to disable its nuclear weapons--since that means that, in the case of Iran, it now has them, seemingly a new revelation.  If permitted to grade each of his term papers this year, I would start with an F for Afghanistan and an A for Finances.

    Nobel (none / 0) (#59)
    by DancingOpossum on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 03:18:10 PM EST
    In case there remain any doubters that Obama felt perfectly comfortable winning and accepting that Nobel prize, I trust they now see he has very low expectations of what it takes for him to achieve top honors.

    Evidence to bolster my theory that he nominated himself...(and yes, I do need some. You will see, one day, I'll be proven correct.)

    And if he were a tree ... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 03:41:58 PM EST
    he'd be ...

    [insert your own punchline]

    A quaky aspen (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Cream City on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 03:49:13 PM EST
    Shaky.

    But lots of pretty shimmer.

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    Red Maple (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 03:55:03 PM EST
    Looks magnificent-- easy as heck to split, lightweight, produces almost no heat.

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    one problem with that (none / 0) (#70)
    by CST on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 03:59:01 PM EST
    "Looks magnificent"

    We are talking about the same Lieberman here right?

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    Wrong thread (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 04:06:53 PM EST
    this is a post and comment thread about Obama grading himself a B+.

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