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President Obama just held a news conference on ISIS. I only caught the last 10 minutes. He said we would continue what we've been doing, and that we can't defeat ISIS militarily, we have to defeat their ideology.

Update: The part of his speech I missed: "We will do more to train and equip the moderate opposition in Syria." I think that's a waste of resources -- there is no "moderate" opposition.

In Iraq news, the Iraqi military dropped a bomb by mistake on Baghdad, killing and wounding civilians. Iraq says its Russian fighter jet malfunctioned, releasing the bomb.

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The South Carolina Senate voted today to take down the Confederate flag.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has filed a motion for new trial. It's a "placeholder" motion and does not contain specifics.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    The Europeans, particularly (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 04:42:23 PM EST
    Mrs. Merkel, seem to be trapped in amber.  While the financial  crisis of Greece now presents no good solution, there are less bad ones.  But, the European financial wizards are set on punishing the "predatory borrowers" of Greece.   And, they do not like the Greek government.

    Greece has had to meet debt commitments even though its economy is in a depression--not the best of times for more austerity.  In Euro zone's best interests, steps need to be taken to get Greece back on track.  

    The bailout creditors should make the debt more manageable, spreading out re-payment as well as providing more debt relief.

    The economics and the politics are aligned--forcing Greece into a position that prompts a rise in extremists (with over 25 percent unemployment), is not going to pay the creditors.  Stable economies in Europe are also of interest to the US--not a bright idea to wait and see what happens, Although  no doubt Congress will be happy to provide military assistance should that be useful (e.g. Ukraine).

    My thoughts, from a previous Open Thread: (none / 0) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 05:46:57 PM EST
    Paul Krugman, who's clearly aligned himself with the Greek people in their confrontation with "The Troika" (the IMF, European Commission and European Central Bank), likens Angela Merkel, et al., to a medieval doctor who demands that his patients acquiesce to being bled repeatedly, regardless of current conditions and circumstances, and heedless of the potential adverse consequences:

    "[T]the campaign of bullying -- the attempt to terrify Greeks by cutting off bank financing and threatening general chaos, all with the almost open goal of pushing the current leftist government out of office -- was a shameful moment in a Europe that claims to believe in democratic principles. It would have set a terrible precedent if that campaign had succeeded, even if the creditors were making sense.

    "What's more, they weren't. The truth is that Europe's self-styled technocrats are like medieval doctors who insisted on bleeding their patients -- and when their treatment made the patients sicker, demanded even more bleeding. A 'yes' vote in Greece would have condemned the country to years more of suffering under policies that haven't worked and in fact, given the arithmetic, can't work: austerity probably shrinks the economy faster than it reduces debt, so that all the suffering serves no purpose. The landslide victory of the 'no' side offers at least a chance for an escape from this trap."

    I agree with Krugman on this one. The tough austerity measures adopted by Greece thus far at the EU's behest, which were supposedly intended to spur its economic reform and recovery, have instead mired that country in its eighth consecutive year of economic contraction, one which is fast approaching free fall. The Greek economy shrank by 23% between 2008 and 2014, and anemic or no economic growth has been projected for 2015. And the country's public workforce has shrunk correspondingly by 30% during that same period.

    Unemployment in Greece more than tripled in the subsequent five-year period following the first implementation of austerity measures in 2007-08, rising from 7.7% in 2008 to 24.3% in 2012, and the nation's long-term unemployment reached 14.4%. And in a country where access to medical care is linked directly to one's employment, the austerity regime imposed upon the Greek people by their creditors has left nearly one million of the country's 11.2 million citizens with no access to healthcare whatsoever.

    Indeed, the startling collapse of the once-admired Greek public health system, which is entirely due to a lack of requisite funding, has created a devastating domestic health care crisis of rather tragic proportions. Rates for infant mortality, HIV infection and suicide have soared. Even malaria, once all but eradicated in Greece thanks to the public health sector, has since made a startling rebound.

    Clearly, there is little if any likelihood that a small nation like Greece will ever be able to repay its enormous $313 billion debt to its foreign creditors. And to a great extent, those creditors themselves are responsible for having encouraged the profligate spending policies which led to Greece's massive indebtedness in the first place. Debt relief has to be a real and substantive part of any economic aid package to that stricken country.

    To insist otherwise, and instead demand that the Greeks implement even more draconian austerity measures, as Chancellor Merkel and her allies are doing here, is at once morally reprehensible, fiscally irresponsible and politically reckless. Is she soon going to peddle the same snake oil to the much larger countries of Spain and Italy, whose own economic recoveries have been hampered -- if not hamstrung -- by the fiscal austerity bandwagon that's still all the rage in conservative financial circles?

    Because despite what its advocates are claiming, there is very strong evidence that these austerity-based policies have been entirely counterproductive to conservatives' own publicly stated goals of restoring economic vitality in the wake of the 2008-09 economic recession. While financial institutions which precipitated that severe economic downturn with their own reckless and misleading banking practices were bailed out, it's been citizens themselves who've taken it on the chin, having had to absorb the resultant costs of those bailouts.

    More importantly, we need to remember that it really wasn't all that long ago when Europe was a seething caldron of conflicting nationalist ambitions, which produced the sort of destructive rivalries that twice plunged the world into catastrophic world wars during the three decades between 1914 and 1945, and which resulted in nearly 80 million people losing their lives.

    And in that regard, we should further realize that it was the insanely punitive fiscal policies imposed upon the German Weimar Republic by the Allies in the wake of the First World War, which eventually prompted the political ascendancy of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, who quite simply availed themselves of the political opportunities presented to them by the Great Depression, the effects of which had hit Germany particularly hard.

    Politics and economics are not mutually exclusive social disciplines, because working class resentments and nationalist fervor have shown a remarkable tendency throughout history to become intertwined and take firm root during times of economic distress, dislocation and hardship.

    NATO and the European Union, borne from the ash heaps of that 30-year disaster, offered Europeans of all nationalities a real opportunity to move beyond the often petty but entirely deadly squabbles that have plagued their history, and into a more enlightened era.

    It would be a shame to see that this pan-European and trans-Atlantic alliance collapse, due primarily to the willingness of Germany, far and away the EU's largest and most prosperous member, to once again throw its weight around the continent, much as it has in times past.

    All this does is reaffirm for many European skeptics -- whose numbers included more than a few former East Germans -- the very real fears which were first expressed by them 25 years ago, when they publicly doubted the conventional wisdom of allowing for Anschluss, the reunification of the German Democratic Republic (East) and the Federal Republic of Germany (West), in the wake of the Warsaw Pact's collapse.

    Aloha.

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    As long as we are talking about Germany (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 06:14:41 PM EST
    and war debt, let us not forget the enormous amount of German debt that was forgiven following WWII. Greece, by the way, was one of those countries who forgave German debt from the war. Perhaps Germany should repay that money now.

    As Thomas Piety said in an interview In Die Zeit:


    ZEIT: But we Germans have already reckoned with our own history.

    Piketty: But not when it comes to repaying debts! Germany's past, in this respect, should be of great significance to today's Germans. Look at the history of national debt: Great Britain, Germany, and France were all once in the situation of today's Greece, and in fact had been far more indebted. The first lesson that we can take from the history of government debt is that we are not facing a brand new problem. There have been many ways to repay debts, and not just one, which is what Berlin and Paris would have the Greeks believe.

    "Germany is the country that has never repaid its debts. It has no standing to lecture other nations."

    A larger excerpt from this interview can be found at Digby's place.

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    That's true. (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 06:52:59 PM EST
    Under President Truman's Marshall Plan, NATO countries at the 1953 London Conference agreed to forgive 50% of Germany's outstanding debts, with the rest was restructured so that the country could repay it over a much longer period of time. In fact, those debts were still being paid off as of a decade ago.

    Even Greece, which saw its pre-World war II population reduced by 8% due to the April 1941 German invasion and subsequent three-year occupation, forgave 50% of the debt Germany owed that country.

    What was good for Germany in 1953, ought to be good for Greece in 2015.

    Aloha.

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    More on the rise of Germany under Ms. Merkel: (none / 0) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:36:16 AM EST
    Wall Street Journal | July 6, 2015
    Greek Crisis Shows How Germany's Power Polarizes Europe - "Under the glass Reichstag dome in Germany's parliament last week, left-wing opposition leader Gregor Gysi lit into Chancellor Angela Merkel for saddling Greece with a staggering unemployment rate, devastating wage cuts, and 'soup kitchens upon soup kitchens.' The chancellor, sitting a few steps away with a blank expression on her face, scrolled through her smartphone. Ms. Merkel's power after a decade in office has become seemingly untouchable, both within Germany and across Europe. But with the 'no' vote in Sunday's Greek referendum on bailout terms posing the biggest challenge yet to decades of European integration, risks to the European project resulting from Germany's rise as the Continent's most powerful country are becoming clear."

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    The NYTimes says.... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by lentinel on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 09:39:18 PM EST
    Challenging Bernie Sanders could elevate his candidacy, but the current path requires Hillary Rodham Clinton to put faith in caucusgoers who once jilted her.

    I dunno, but I think if the Times were describing what happened to, say, Howard Dean, they would say  he had been "abandoned" by caucusgoers, not "jilted".

    Just my two cents.

    Insanity (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 01:21:15 PM EST
    We all know what Einstein said about it.

    "Heroin use in the United States increased 63 percent from 2002 through 2013. This increase occurred among a broad range of demographics, including men and women, most age groups, and all income levels," the CDC says in its report, attributing much of the increase to users who started abusing prescription painkillers and then moved on to heroin.

    The reasons are complicated -- drug abuse overall is up, and more people are using prescription painkillers. Heroin is a cheap and more easily available alternative to these prescription drugs for people who become addicted to them.

    "They are addicted to prescription opiates because they are essentially the same chemical with the same effect on the brain as heroin," Frieden told a news conference. "Heroin costs roughly 5 times less than prescription opiates on the street."

    Users say they move to heroin after they get addicted to prescription drugs - often during legitimate use for a medical condition - and then their supply dries up.

    CDC said states can do a lot more to help fight heroin abuse.
    "Specifically, a focus on reducing opioid pain reliever abuse is needed," it said.
    LINK

    So they crack down on pain killers and heroin use skyrockets, and the plan is to 'reduce pain reliever abuse', which means in some way, making less pills available, aka reducing the supply.

    It's shameful that their vision is so narrow they actually believe they can reduce drug use in the United States.  No one seems to care that they are the ones clearing the path to heroin, the cheaper alternative.

    Donal Trump Tweet (none / 0) (#1)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 04:03:55 PM EST
    #Jeb Bush has to like the Mexican Illegals because he is married to a Mexican woman.

    It has been deleted, but this guy...

    I keep reading that his supporters are basically saying they love the guy because of his business sense and that he says what most people are thinking but are too scared to say in a PC world.

    LINK

    Two things about that (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 04:24:33 PM EST
    its what more people than you think would say privately and Trump is doing the likes of Cruz and Huckabee a huge favore by making them look less crazy by comparison.  Meaning they are not literally howling at the moon.

    In other news beautiful women can't be funny but rich guys can definitely be stupid tools.

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    Trump really (none / 0) (#5)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 05:10:48 PM EST
    has his hands full trying to make the likes of Cruz and Huckabee look less crazy.  Scott Walker is trying to eat wedding cake and not have to bake it--his sons are "disappointed" in Dad's opposition to the Obergefell ruling, calling for an amendment to the US Constitution.

     Sort of like when Barbara Bush indicated that she was pro-choice to soften George HW Bush's pro-life position (when he became a presidential candidate).   Walker may be able to make this work with his Joni Ernst Iowans, but, then, again, they may fault him for being a bad parent, what with those progressive family values and all.

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    Trump also got into a twitter war (none / 0) (#31)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 08:00:41 AM EST
    ... with one of the writers from Modern Family.  Not a good idea to try to take on someone who writes for a living.

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    They (none / 0) (#4)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 05:05:57 PM EST
    don't even try to hide it any more. 5 unspoken rules for covering Hillary
    The Clinton rules are driven by reporters' and editors' desire to score the ultimate prize in contemporary journalism: the scoop that brings down Hillary Clinton and her family's political empire.
    . What the hell are they teaching in J school these days?

    Is this journalism or big game hunting? "Fk the ethics we are going to bag a black rhino". Like addicts they can't help themselves,

    As a reporter, I get sucked into playing by the Clinton rules. This is what I've seen in my colleagues, and in myself.


    And what political empire is that? (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 01:50:23 PM EST
    The husband that left office 15 years ago?

    Sooo stupid...

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    No, it's part of new arms deals (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:10:27 PM EST
    I don't think we will sell them fighters.  The fighters they bought from Russia and Belarus were also used

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    And it Looks Like... (none / 0) (#70)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:35:05 PM EST
    ...they got what they paid for.

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    started with Nixon (none / 0) (#22)
    by thomas rogan on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 09:48:13 PM EST
    Every journalist wants to be like Woodward and Bernstein.  This is nothing new.

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    That was actually journalism (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 09:58:12 PM EST
    Today's approach is more reminiscent of the Miami Herald and Gary Hart.

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    And further, Woodward's and Bernstein's ... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:05:39 AM EST
    ... entire investigation was premised upon a very real crime, namely the attempted break-in and bugging of Democratic National Committee HQ at the Watergate Hotel & Office Complex by Nixon's political operatives, whereas the relentless pursuit of Bill and Hillary Clinton has ultimately proved to be nothing more than a 24-year-long snipe hunt.

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    FYI, your link doesn't work. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:18:50 AM EST
    Lee Bright (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 05:18:07 PM EST
    SC state senator. I think this is the same guy that said the people in Charleston who were murdered stood in line and waited to be shot. Great going SC on having this moron as one of your state senators.

    I presume he was one of only 3 no votes (none / 0) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 07:04:42 PM EST
    The SC Senate voted 37-3 (with 6 not voting) this afternoon to move the bill along to take down the flag. They will vote again tomorrow and you should expect the outcome to be the same.

    The House will likely take it up on Wednesday.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 07:15:52 PM EST
    I never thought the senate would not vote to take it down. It's the house that's always been the big question mark to me.

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    He is worth watching (none / 0) (#14)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 07:13:24 PM EST
    if you like Sunday morning money grubbing TV evangelists. He's currently in the wrong business.

    I especially enjoyed "And then Friday night I watch the White House be lit up in the abomination colors"

    He was on a holy roller roll.

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    What a sad dark world (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 07:28:25 PM EST
    a person must live in to call rainbow colors "abomination colors"

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    Change the first letter of abomination. (none / 0) (#81)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:18:54 PM EST
    Same old same old Obama Derangement Syndrome.

    All the explanation you need is summed up in this message, which appeared one day, taped to a pile of tires that some lazy inconsiderate @#*$^@ dumped by the side of the dirt road I live on, sometime last year.

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    Do You Think... (none / 0) (#84)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:29:46 PM EST
    ...maybe someone else left the note indicating thqat maybe the people who dumped tires suck ?

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    ... same-sex marriage to this attempt to relegate the Confederate flag to the state museum. What a piece of work!

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    That's what Jim doesn't understand (none / 0) (#29)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 05:26:36 AM EST
    Gay marriage protects us from sharia law coming to this country.

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    Mondriggian, why are you bringing me (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 08:54:58 AM EST
    into a comment that I have not responded to??

    It is clearly baiting.

    Even worse, it is untrue. I have posted time again that I support gay rights, including marriage.

    So if you want to attack a position I support, fire away. But you are just making things up.

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    Where did I say you don't support (none / 0) (#33)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 09:03:17 AM EST
    gay marriage?

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    You are clearly baiting (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 09:44:11 AM EST
    19 minutes after I respond you jump back.

    The question remains. Why have you brought my name into a comment that I haven't responded to??

    I have and do support gay marriage.

    I have noted that CAIR, a Muslim organization that was named an un-indicted co-conspirator by the Feds, opposed an attempt by OK to establish a law blocking Sharia from OK courts. Obviously you don't oppose a law that you don't want implemented.

    By connecting the two you establish a false premise.

    Everyone knows my positions on the two subjects. Please quit picking a fight.

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    Dear Gawwwwddd! (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 12:07:10 PM EST
    Jim complaining about "baiting".

    From the master ...

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    Pro tip (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 12:17:19 PM EST
    When fishing for jabberwocky no bait is needed, they will eagerly impale themselves on any shiny object.

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    I didn't I needed your (none / 0) (#38)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 09:53:41 AM EST
    permission to mention you, Jim.

    Be sure to mention gay marriage to the jihadi lurking under your bed tonight, and see what happens.

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    Kill me (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 09:56:09 AM EST
    It's the Reason... (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 10:53:10 AM EST
    ...I made a conscious choice years ago to never have children.  If they were my kids, they would be locked in closets on a regular basis.  So instead of going to jail, I just decided I don't want them.

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    No you don't (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 11:13:18 AM EST
    but you were baiting.

    And you continue.

    Be sure to mention gay marriage to the jihadi lurking under your bed tonight, and see what happens.


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    He made me laugh. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 07:30:30 PM EST
    All I could think is he's doing a great job rounding up votes for Hillary because it's all over social media.

    He's deliverance on steroids.

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    Tiny little short fingers (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 07:33:18 PM EST
    you know what that means

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    Extra small gloves? (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 07:53:59 AM EST
    You know what they say Pee Wee..... (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 10:01:17 AM EST
    .....big feet, big boots.

           - Cowboy Carl (Lawerence Fishburne)

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    I liked that show. (none / 0) (#96)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:14:17 PM EST
    I didn't realize Cowboy Curtis was Fishburne until recently, when I heard Terry Gross interview him on Fresh Air (a rebroadcast).

    What a weird little show.  The colors were pumped up, oversaturated, at least in memory.  Going from ordinary shows into PeeWee's playhouse felt like the transition into Toon Town in Roger Rabbit.


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    He was on at the same time (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 08:40:34 PM EST
    Cowboy Curtis? (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:15:50 PM EST
    cowboy Conrad?

    Anyway.

    "Short fingered vulgarian" was not about his fingers.

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    Lee Bright is (none / 0) (#74)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:43:27 PM EST
    a co-chair of the Ted Cruz primary campaign for South Carolina.   Bright was a tea party challenger to Lindsey last go around.  

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    Lee Bright (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:07:59 PM EST
    every time he opens his mouth he gives Hillary another voter.

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    Is That Like... (none / 0) (#87)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:40:55 PM EST
    ...every time Mr T 'Pities a Fool', an angel gets their wings ?

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:13:17 PM EST
    pretty much. LOL. Are there any more gullible people on the face of the earth than conservatives? I've never seen such a large group of people fall for every hoax that comes around.

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    ".....any more gullible people...... ?" (none / 0) (#109)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 07:47:31 PM EST
    Was watching a Nashville call-in TV program this morning on Channel 5. Guy calls in to sing the praises of the Affordable Care Act. Says a volunteer (a minister, actually) had been going around his neighborhood, knocking on doors, and extolling the virtues of this new program, "The ACA." After hearing about all the benefits a couple hundred families actually signed up. Now, they're so thrilled (some are giving personal stories of chronic illnesses in their families that have gone untreated for years, now being successfully treated) they're running around proselytizing for the ACA, almost in a religious fervor.

    And, after thanking Jesus for finally answering their prayers, the caller ended his call by stating, "Thank God they finally wised up, got rid of that awful "Obamacare" and gave us a program that really works."

    ---------------------------------

    (Just goes to prove what I've been saying for years, "it's all in the marketing.") That slick preacher, saw the need, changed the name, and filled the need.) Gives you a new faith for humanity, not all Southern padres are sleazy money grubbing hucksters.)  

    Well played, Sir. LOL.

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    How about (none / 0) (#94)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:13:06 PM EST
    Trump/Bright 2016?    A good Republican ticket, supplanting my yesterday preference: Trump/Christie 2016.  

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    Bright (none / 0) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:14:19 PM EST
    is really a better choice than Christie I would think. LOL.

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    I really love (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 06:11:05 PM EST
    Really? (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 07:01:49 PM EST
    this is who we are?  Really?

    LINK

    When Josh Joseph went to visit his friends Darren and Hayli Frank in Spring, Texas, there was no way he could ever have anticipated the kind of hateful actions they would be subjected to as a result. Josh is black, and the Franks are white. No big deal, right?

    Darren Frank owns a Chevy truck valued at $50,000. He parks the truck in his driveway. Always has. And it had never been a problem until his friend Josh came to visit while looking for a job in the area. When the family awoke the morning after Joseph arrived, they found it spray painted with some of the vilest, most hateful things you can possibly imagine, including "n****r lovers" and "KKK."



    Welcome to Murica, Cap'n, ... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 07:10:09 PM EST
    ... and the home of real Muricuns. Nathan Bedford Forrest would be so proud.

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    Say what? (none / 0) (#15)
    by lentinel on Mon Jul 06, 2015 at 07:15:07 PM EST
    Iraq says its Russian fighter jet malfunctioned, releasing the bomb.

    So...The Iraqis are buying fighter jets from...Russia?

    Probably with our tax money.

    Gotta love it.

    Thanks for everything, W.

    Was Russia in the (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 01:52:38 PM EST
    'coalition of the willing'? I guess that explains the willingness.

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    prefer love (none / 0) (#24)
    by dominiquedumas2015 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 01:55:51 AM EST
    Why make war so that love is much easier. Frankly, I will never understand. Nevertheless, in politics, there are no strict rules or convenience. Everyone serves its ideology. Nah, that's my opinion. To each to see what seems to him best for his own life and his country? As I always say, life really worth living. http://www.evaps.fr/.

    Site violator. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:03:26 AM EST
    From France.

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    Willie Horton Redux... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 09:04:22 AM EST
    Get used to this ugly mug y'all, we'll be seeing it in campaign ads for the next 16 months.

    Though I guess there is still time for ISIS to win back the Intercontinental Election 2016 Boogey-Man Championship Belt.  


    I Think Donald... (none / 0) (#35)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 09:19:37 AM EST
    ...is putting republicans in a tight spot with immigration.  It's a tight squeeze to denounce his comments while supporting closing the border.

    He is not doing the GOP any favors in regards to our southern border.  His latest:

    "This is merely one of thousands of similar incidents throughout the United States," Trump said Monday. "In other words, the worst elements in Mexico are being pushed into the United States by the Mexican government."

    The 2016 Republican presidential candidate said that Mexican drug cartels are using immigrants to smuggle heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs into the United States.

    "The Border Patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border," Trump continued.

    LINK

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    For (none / 0) (#36)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 09:32:09 AM EST
    the short term this will be a feather in the Donald's cap and an albatross around the neck of the rest of the Republican candidates. At this time the Republicans wish the whole immigration issue(and Trump) would go away.

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    I don't know... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 09:58:38 AM EST
    I think all the Republicans will be kicking the immigrant dog plenty, and will be happy to play Willie Horton.

    They just won't be as blunt as Trump, they'll be more careful with their words while basically saying the same tired sh*t in a brand of bland pc Orwellian Newspeak.

    Or better yet for them, let the Citizens United sugar-daddies say it for them while kissing the "good latino" babies on the trail.  

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    Republicans (none / 0) (#44)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 10:18:18 AM EST
    will never give it up completely, it's just their nature. However, thanks to Trump's fog horn blast, they will have to tune their whistle to a much higher pitch. I agree that they will probably leave much of it to the Dark Money Orchestra.

    Thanks to Trump and Dylann Roof a couple of the Republican's greatest hits have been yanked from the playlist, at least temporarily. Their rabid fans will be disappointed to say the least.

    Their style has been cramped.

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    Don't forget marriage equality... (none / 0) (#47)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 10:44:19 AM EST
    another lost wedge issue...it's hard out there for divisiveness pimps!

    But I don't put it past 'em to find/exploit new wedges...Democrats too, for that matter.  Ya know Clinton would rather talk about the wedge issues than what her Wall St. buddies have been up to.  It's a much easier road to the White House defending immigrants than banksters and grifters.

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    Yes, this should cause (none / 0) (#54)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 12:59:14 PM EST
    people to question our immigration policy and the so called sanctuary city policy...

    The 45-year-old Mexican man, whose background of five deportations and seven felony convictions....


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    but not our gun policy (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CST on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 01:05:14 PM EST
    anything but that right?

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    What gun policy? (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 01:26:39 PM EST
    Apparently there are so many they can be found laying on the street, loaded.  

    I wish there were sanctuary cities to escape firearms, never mind the cold long kidnapping arms of ICE!

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    ICE caught him (1.00 / 1) (#62)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 01:58:35 PM EST
    SF let him go.

    The blood and the lawsuit is on their hands. I just wish there could be a criminal charge brought.

    And a nod to CST for trying ton provide cover for SF and the Feds letting this killer loose to kill.

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    And a nod to you (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:06:15 PM EST
    for making it that much easier for violently unbalanced people in general to get their hands on a gun in this country.

    And yeah, I'm sure you wish there could be a criminal lawsuit brought against two-thirds of the left coast, but there won't be. So deal with it.

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    Jesus F. Christ (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by CST on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:08:17 PM EST
    Nine black people dead in a church and we can't rethink our gun policy.  Hundreds of kids dead in school shootings and we can't rethink our gun policy.  Tens of thousands of people dead every year in this country but we can't rethink our gun policy.

    1 white woman dies in San Francisco and all of a sudden there is blood on the hands of all Americans who think we shouldn't be tossing all immigrants immediately out the door.  All they asked for was a warrant.

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    For what it's worth, I think (5.00 / 4) (#72)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:37:39 PM EST
    Jesus' middle initial is "H" - at least that's what my Dad always used to say...

    All kidding aside, for the life of me I do not know why people are acting as if, absent these lawless intruders, America would be a haven of peace, free from crime.  Our "own" criminal justice system routinely lets people go, fails to act on warrants, puts people convicted multiple times of drunk driving back in their cars, sends people with documented history of abuse back to terrorize their spouses/partners, and what do we do?

    Ho-hum, same old/same old, if it bleeds it leads, so what else is new?  We build more prisons, buy more equipment for law enforcement, to little avail.

    But, Lord have mercy, if one of these criminals is here illegally, time to build walls, erect an impenetrable barrier to further encroachment.  Time to round'em up and ship 'em all out.  

    I'm sick of it all, sick of the rank hypocrisy and blatant racism and xenophobia that permeates and saturates the entire immigration discussion.

    [thank you for allowing me to vent...now I just need to avoid like the plague the anticipated BS comments from the resident troll]

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    You Forgot... (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:01:53 PM EST
    ...how every idiot in the country that wants a gun has 10 of them.

    But now one death makes it OK for a presidential candidate to blather racist non-sense that the facts simply do not support.

    Anyone want to take bets on how many times Jim mentions one murder between now and Nov '16 ?  That is about 450 days, so I am going with 1000.  And I know the lip service he will give the hundreds of others killed by white folks every day, a big fat zero.  I think he is at 5 already.

    And for the record, it is a GD shame that this person was on the streets, that our government can't get it together enough to abide by the rules.  There is no excuse for ICE to not get the required paperwork by the deadline.  

    This was a preventable death.  And its so sad the right is using her death to promote their agenda against brown people.  ICE screwed-up, the idea that a wall is going to ensure people aren't killed is preposterous.  Every border wall that has ever been erected has failed and/or come down.

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    As Molly Ivins once said, quoting Janet (none / 0) (#92)
    by Zorba on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:03:39 PM EST
    Napolitano:

    Are they insane? As Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano observes, "Show me a 50-foot wall, and I'll show you a 51-foot ladder."

    Link.

    Boy, I sure miss Molly!

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    I'm with you Anne (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Steve13209 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:09:06 PM EST
    Couldn't have said it better myself.

    Can't do anything about gun violence, but immigration...that's about somebody else, not us 'Muricans, so let's go balls to the wall on that.

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    Yea I know the middle initial is H (none / 0) (#73)
    by CST on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:40:18 PM EST
    In this case the F stood for F*cking.

    I also needed to vent.

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    Yeah, I got that "F" part... (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:44:54 PM EST
    and I find myself using it more than I would like - pretty sure Jesus doesn't much care for it, either, lol.

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    You know I don't remember much (none / 0) (#115)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 08:59:08 PM EST
    being written about this.

    The Hartford Distributors shooting was a mass shooting that occurred on August 3, 2010, in Manchester, Connecticut, United States. The location of the crime was a warehouse owned by Hartford Distributors, a beer distribution company. The black gunman, former employee Omar Sheriff Thornton (born April 25, 1976)[1] shot and killed eight white coworkers before turning a gun on himself.

    Link

    So, do you think maybe you should consider your claims before you type??

    And while I don't want to get too technical on you and spoil your rant, no one is saying toss out all immigrants. It is the ILLEGAL immigrants who have been previously deported with felony convictions that we want rounded up and yes....deported.

    It just seems the logical thing to do.

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    No, that is not correct, ICE did not (5.00 / 3) (#69)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:25:55 PM EST
    "catch" him. SF arrested him for a drug crime and refused to hold him longer for ICE to pick him up after the California court system, in the normal course, ruled he was eligible for release under their rules. That's how the "detainer" part of the "sanctuary city" policy works. A U.S. city refuses to hold someone whom a local judge has ruled is eligible under local law for release, on the unsupported say-so of ICE, without federal legal process, that they want to "investigate" the person and may get around to the jail to pick him up in a few days. Federal courts, including in California and Pennsylvania, have held that the local authorities are on sound legal and constitutional ground in adhering to these policies.

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    So (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:21:21 PM EST
    what do you propose we do about all the white male mass murderers that have been going to town lately? Should we start shipping all the white males out of the country? Or maybe we should just ship the neoconfederates out of the country since they seem to be big motivators of these murderers from Timothy McVeigh to Dylan Roof.

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    Questioned and answered... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 01:23:05 PM EST
    on my end...very small number of violent crimes committed by the undocumented who have been in the system vs. untold numbers of people free to pursue life, liberty, and happiness without the threat of state-sanctioned violent kidnapping.  Sanctuary Cities for the win.

    Though I'd much prefer a sanctuary country, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, regardless of papers possessed.

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    A country that has no borders is not a (2.00 / 2) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:00:56 PM EST
    country.

    And I doubt that the father of the young woman killed would accept your cavalier viewpoint on the collateral damage caused by ICE and SF.

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    Tell it to the multinationals (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:12:39 PM EST
    and all the tax dodgers and outsourcers. The main funders of the GOP, in other words..

    The powerful abandon ship when it suits them, and the powerless sneak in when they have no choice and nowhere else to go.

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    I'm not cavalier... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 02:35:40 PM EST
    about the feds and ICE's damage done to hundreds of thousands of souls per year.  I can't fault SF for trying to lessen that damage and provide sanctuary. A few bad apples are to be expected, as is the continued plague of gun violence and violent crime.

    EU ring a bell?  All those countries have an open border agreement and remain countries...I don't see why US/Canada/Mexico can't open up ours and remain countries.  Or better yet, the entire Western Hemisphere.  Better still, the world. My birth is my passport, my heartbeat my visa...anything less would be uncivilized.

    Sh*t, even if you're right, maybe we'd all be better off without countries.  Countries make war, countries close borders, countries take away inalienable rights.

     

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    A Mexican Willie Horton.. (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:10:01 PM EST
    that's what conservatives are trying to concoct and foist on the public..

    Another brown-black boogie man to scare the hell out the folks with..

    Meanwhile they wave confederate flags around and only notice American workers being "hurt" when latinos come here for work, NOT when "the free market" sends jobs to China and Vietnam and imports workers from those countries to undercut American workers.

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    Because (none / 0) (#82)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:19:16 PM EST
    conservatives always say look over there at the boogey man and do not pay attention to my policies. And they always blame someone else for their own failures.

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    Sh*t jondee... (none / 0) (#90)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:56:20 PM EST
    in his confession, he said it was an accidental discharge of the firearm.  Wouldn't even be prosecuted as a crime in some jurisdictions...it would be called a tragic accident.

    But since it's a skell of a darker shade with a record, it's Homicidal Maniac Wetbacks Week on Fox. Get your Two Minutes Hate on, don't forget to spittle and scream at your telescreen.

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    jondee, quit using the (none / 0) (#100)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:31:32 PM EST
    guy's nationality and skin color as an excuse for his actions.

    He did what he did.

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    Sounds like a song.... (none / 0) (#80)
    by Steve13209 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:10:44 PM EST
    Good ear... (none / 0) (#88)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:49:09 PM EST
    maybe we'll have evolved to no longer need countries, or tsars/presidents/kings, or even laws, in another couple thousand years.  Then we will have arrived as a species!

    If we don't extinct ourselves first.

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    Actually, Kdog (none / 0) (#98)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:26:45 PM EST
    A few bad apples are to be expected, as is the continued plague of gun violence and violent crime.

    That's very cavalier.

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    unlike dead (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by CST on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:30:10 PM EST
    kids in Palestine - those are just collateral damage.

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    Nice attempt to change the subject (none / 0) (#110)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 08:22:57 PM EST
    but the illegal immigrant isn't attacking places where women and children are being kept and  where rockets are being launched at Mexico.

    Your analogy is as false as false can be. In fact, it is the worst I have ever seen.

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    It was spot on (none / 0) (#113)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 08:42:36 PM EST
    Insert silly, Southern saying about the dog that barks loudest.

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    From the guy who ... (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 06:38:52 PM EST
    ... wants us to commit war crimes and "kill all the women and children where the weapons are" (in Gaza).  IOW - all of them.

    It's like he's trying to be funny.

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    yman, i did an advanced Google search (2.00 / 1) (#114)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 08:42:54 PM EST
    and guess what. Your supposed quote:

    "kill all the women and children where the weapons are"

    didn't come up. Which, knowing how you operate, is no surprise. But don't be disappointed.

    I did find this in comment 76.

    If Hamas, or any such, choose to store weapons among women and children then it is they that are responsible for the harm that come to them.

    Stated simply we cannot protect ourselves if we allow our enemies to dictate where we can attack them by placing women and children in harms way.

    If you cannot understand this you have my sympathy.

    Now I have made that comment in various ways numerous times and I stand by it 100%. It is sadly factual and accurate.

    But it has nothing to do with the fact that an illegal immigrant who has been deported some 5 times and with a record of 7 felonies was released because of the immigrant policies of the Obama administration and SF's absolutely stupid policy of welcoming and protecting illegal immigrants.

    They didn't pull the trigger but they put the killer on the street.

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    Bill Cosby (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 10:04:49 AM EST
    in the coverage of this I heard that the case the testimony now making the rounds is from was "dismissed with prejudice".

    Or something like that.

    What does this mean exactly?

    Means they can't file another claim (none / 0) (#45)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 10:23:55 AM EST
    For the same civil case.

    Within legal civil procedure, prejudice is a loss or injury, and refers specifically to a formal determination against a claimed legal right or cause of action.[2] Thus, in a civil case, dismissal without prejudice is a dismissal that allows for re-filing of the case in the future. The present action is dismissed but the possibility remains open that the plaintiff may file another suit on the same claim. The inverse phrase is dismissal with prejudice, in which the plaintiff is barred from filing another case on the same claim. Dismissal with prejudice is a final judgment and the case becomes res judicata on the claims that were or could have been brought in it; dismissal without prejudice is not.

    Res judicata

    In the case of res judicata, the matter cannot be raised again, either in the same court or in a different court. A court will use res judicata to deny reconsideration of a matter.



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    In this particular case, it means (none / 0) (#53)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 12:57:41 PM EST
    that the parties reached a full settlement of the plaintiff's claims against Cosby, and as part of that deal she agreed to drop the lawsuit and not revive it. And then the judge approved that feature of the settlement by closing the case permanently.

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    Bill "Dorian Gray" Crosby (none / 0) (#85)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:36:18 PM EST
    No matter how cynical I get, it isn't enough.

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    Cosby (none / 0) (#86)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:36:42 PM EST
    The hits just keep coming (none / 0) (#43)
    by CST on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 10:15:28 AM EST
    "The Obama administration on Tuesday will announce an initiative to help low- and middle-income Americans gain access to solar energy, part of a series of steps President Obama is taking to tackle climate change, according to administration officials."

    IMO, every public housing development in the country should be equipped with solar panels.

    Link

    Not such a lame duck.

    First measures: (none / 0) (#50)
    by Palli on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 11:14:31 AM EST
    Every new building should be
    • built with solar collectors if conditions of site allow it
    • all roofing material should be white or light grey
    • parking lot footage laid in impermeable material should be less than 20% of parking space required by municipal planning laws
    Good beginning to common

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    Hear hear (none / 0) (#56)
    by CST on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 01:05:43 PM EST
    not just new buildings though.

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    A quicker way to unload the grid would be (none / 0) (#91)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:03:28 PM EST
    to give everyone LED bulbs.  If you haven't priced them lately, Philips 60W equivalent "loop" bulbs are now down to 3 for $11.  Some of you may remember that only a few years ago LED bulbs were being peddled for $30-$50 apiece.  The latest generation of CREE vented plastic edison base 60W bulb lookalikes are $4-$5 apiece.  The CREE bulbs no longer have the heavy ceramic base of last year's generation.  They weigh little more than the old tungsten filament units we all grew up with and they barely get warm.  The heat dissipation is why previous generation LED bulbs were built on heavy ceramic housings.

    I'm replacing even compact fluorescent bulbs with LED bulbs.  After years of enduring the slow fade in of fluorescents, it's a thrill to see lamps turn on immediately.  Plus I like not worrying about the end-of-life burnout drama that frequently happens to compact fluorescents.

    At today's new price point, LED bulbs will pay for themselves quickly.  "60W" LED bulbs use about 9.5 Watts.  So for all y'all who held back because the economics didn't really add up to the advertising, waiting was the right choice.  LED bulbs may drop a bit from here, but it won't be far and at today's prices, they pay for themselves.  

    The same will happen to solar electricity gear.  Where I live, in the northern U.S., the cost/benefit isn't there yet.  But that day will come.

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    SC Confederate Flag Bill (none / 0) (#46)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 10:42:55 AM EST
    moves to the House this afternoon. The Senate voted 36-3 this morning to take it down.

    It would take a 60% vote in the House to add any amendments. It will be attempted, but unlikely to be successful. It needs a 2/3rds vote for the bill to pass which should happen easily.

    There will be more no votes than there were in the Senate but taking it down should still pass before the weekend by a vote in the area of 93-12 with 15 or so not voting.

    Conservatives (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 03:52:13 PM EST
    are in full meltdown mode today posting all kinds of hoaxes.


    Who's running Greece? (none / 0) (#93)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:09:51 PM EST
    Greece shows up at the emergency bailout meeting today with no plan other than to ask for more cash.

    The banks, which were supposed to open today remain closed. Rumors abound that the Greek Prime Minister never expected the vote to go his way over the weekend and currently has no plan on how to fix the damage he's done.

    With the next meeting not scheduled until next Monday, it's unlikely banks will open at all this week.


    After you Alphonse, (none / 0) (#102)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:40:03 PM EST
    no, you first, my dear Gaston---seems to be the conversation.   Alex Tspiras and the brand new Finance Minister, Euclid Tsakalotos, probably want to see what can be gotten rather than make a pledge at the outset.  

     Greece should receive some bridge financing for six months until a proposal can be worked out among all parties.  Presenting a proposal for financial, political and ideologic review while banks are closed does not seem to offer a lot of promise. Some cooling down and cool heads would be a good thing, at this point--given the stakes.

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    Putting your hand out (none / 0) (#106)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 05:07:52 PM EST
    when all you've done lately is put your hand out is worth a try I guess. But not too many are willing to throw good money after bad and that's what Greece is hoping for from the EU right now.


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    Maybe (none / 0) (#103)
    by Steve13209 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:40:30 PM EST
    Tsipris expected the creditors to come back with their terms, since the Troika simply said NO to the Greek's last proposal.

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    Tsipras (none / 0) (#104)
    by Steve13209 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:42:13 PM EST
    Oh the Fools in My State (none / 0) (#101)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:33:34 PM EST
    Last words of man eaten by Alligator, 'Fock the Alligator'.  Never mind the sign and the people begging him not to jump in.

    Almost 200 years since someone in Texas was eaten by an alligator.  But fear not, the next day a dead alligator was on the dock and when they cut it open they found parts of the guy.

    I don't know why, but I think this is so funny.  If it was my brother those words would be on his tombstone.

    LINK

    Couldn't you have used... (none / 0) (#105)
    by sj on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 04:54:11 PM EST
    ... this link? It doesn't have a commercial on autorun.

    And heaven knows there are deaths/injuries that have made me laugh inappropriately -- I have to be honest about that. This isn't one of them, though. It's a nightmare come to life.

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    Obama, from Yahoo (none / 0) (#108)
    by thomas rogan on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 07:18:41 PM EST
    Obama has said that supporting nationalist rebels has "always been a fantasy" because the opposition of "former doctors, farmers, pharmacists, and so forth" was fighting "a well-armed state backed by Russia, backed by Iran, [and] a battle-hardened Hezbollah."

    That original opposition was a bunch of moderates.  Now it's gone--all killed or emigrated.  Now the opposition is radicalized.  Whose fault is that?

    smash a window, save a life (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 07, 2015 at 08:34:23 PM EST