Senate Health Care Debate

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics
Posted on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 10:41:28 AM EST
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You can watch it on C-Span2 or online.

Update (TL): The cloture vote is expected at 8 pm. Firedoglake has a "semi live blog" up.

This is a debate about whether to allow the bill to come to the floor where it can be debated and amended. The Republicans are threatening to use the Senate’s unlimited debate clause to prevent the bill from coming to the floor where it then can be debated. They are threatening to never stop debating (this is what a filibuster technically is) the vote on the motion to proceed. This is how the Republicans plan to use their right of unlimited debate to actually stop any debate on health care reform. When trying to explain how the Senate has become a broken, undemocratic, unconstitutional perversion of its original self, I recommend using this as an example.

The Gavel has this summary of the differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill.

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Landrieu up next . . . (none / 0) (#1)
by Cream City on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 11:29:25 AM EST

so let's see if she says how she will vote.

Landrieu will vote with Dems (none / 0) (#3)
by Cream City on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 12:01:45 PM EST

for cloture/debate -- and in part owing to attacks by rightie bloggers on the inclusion of special funding for Louisiana's victims of the Army Corps' incompetence. Thanks, rightie bloggers.


: And in their faces, she fixes the math (none / 0) (#4)
by Cream City on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 12:02:48 PM EST

and says it's not $100 million for Louisiana -- it's $300 million.

Senate Historical Office re filibuster: (none / 0) (#2)
by oculus on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 11:35:23 AM EST

Here it is: Hatch resurrects Stupak-Pitts. (none / 0) (#5)
by Cream City on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 12:04:14 PM EST

Just words? Repubs quoting Obama (none / 0) (#6)
by Cream City on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 12:27:16 PM EST

on his wishy-washy comments on abortion as supporting them in resurrecting Stupak-Pitts. . . .

According to AP, (none / 0) (#7)
by MO Blue on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 02:04:50 PM EST

Dems have 60 votes needed to move ahead to debate health care legislation. link

I wasn't aware (none / 0) (#8)
by lilburro on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 02:13:39 PM EST

that Lieberman was a yes on the first vote. Interesting.


The pressure in the back rooms right now (none / 0) (#9)
by Cream City on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 02:23:39 PM EST

to get even one to fold must be immense, after both Landrieu and Lincoln said they would allow it to go forward. But that doesn't mean enough votes yet for the bill. . . .


Seriously doubt that the final (none / 0) (#10)
by MO Blue on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 02:53:17 PM EST

Senate bill will be anything other than what was labeled the "Insurance Profit and Protection Enhancement Act."


: Yep. But I fear it may worsen (none / 0) (#11)
by Cream City on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 03:00:47 PM EST

with inclusion of amendments that will tick off a lot of voters, as we have seen Dems do before in vain attempts to get their alleged Dems in Congress to vote with Dems.