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Bob Dylan singing Santa? Levjoy says on Twitter it sounds like a Yiddish folk song, and he's got a point.

Here's Digby on Luke Russert's reporting on health care. Firedoglake has today's highlights.

Fernando Bermudez left Sing Sing prison today, after serving 17 years for a murder he didn't commit. More here.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Little Luke (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 10:54:23 PM EST
    Wow, the apple didn't fall far from the tree, did it.  Yech.

    I particularly appreciated this bit of political analysis: "really, I think it will show him to be the standard bearer of the liberal cause"

    Do us all a favor, Lukey.  DON'T THINK.  It's clearly beyond your capability.

    Or you could say (none / 0) (#7)
    by Spamlet on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 02:22:53 AM EST
    the pumpkin didn't grow far from ol' Pumpkin Head.

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    Oh good grief. The kid's a chip off his old man's (none / 0) (#15)
    by Angel on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 09:57:11 AM EST
    shoulder.  I couldn't stand Timmy and I sure don't like what I'm seeing of Little Luke.  He needs to do some growing up and experiencing life before they annoint him the big political analyst.  Sheesh.  

    Parent
    I was fortunate to be given a ticket (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 12:57:36 AM EST
    to this concert:  Barber/Mahler, which was exquisite.

    Iraqi detainees go too far (none / 0) (#1)
    by Cream City on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 10:23:40 PM EST
    and are just asking for the infamous torture by cheese curd, youbetcha.  I suspect shenanigans by a nearby detachment of Minnesota troops:

    It seems that the Brett Favre-Green Bay Packers saga is such a worldwide phenomenon that it's being used by detainees in American military camps . . . [who] are using Brett Favre as a manner of getting at the guard troops there.

    "They know Favre by name," said Wisconsin National Guard First Lieutenant Tim Boehnen, who is from New Richmond, Wis.  "One of the big words they know now is shenanigan.  They'll constantly talk about 'Favre shenanigans,' 'He's so good for the Vikings,' and 'The Packers have got to really feel bad about that one.'  "

    According to Boehnen, it started when troops there started decorating their camp in Packers colors. . . .  "We spend a lot of time painting and making our compound our own and representing us.  Obviously, wherever Wisconsinites go, we bring the Packers with us."

    Once the decoration job happened, detainees became curious. "They obviously then started up the conversations, and started talking about Brett Favre.  They soon learned about Favre going to the Vikings, and things just started going downhill from there. . . .  They'll hear guards talking about it, and then they pick up a lot of stuff from that, too," said Boehnen. "They're very crafty.  They learn different stuff from different ways."

    The group is part of the 32nd Brigade, with more than 3,200 troops performing a number of missions in Iraq.  For Boehnen, it's especially hard because he has his own familial rivalry issues involving things green and purple.  "My family lives on the other side of the border, so when we get together, we always talk about the Viking-Packer disputes, as if it's not intense enough without the Favre situation."



    If our troops (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 10:58:53 PM EST
    are susceptible to psychological warfare on the level of high school sports woofing, we are in deep, deep trouble.

    I rather admire the wit of the detainees to think of doing this kind of needling, or seizing on the Minnesotans' suggestions, if that's what happened.   But sounds like they know the American macho male psyche better than we know theirs, you betcha.

    Thanks for posting this.  It's mind-boggling.

    Parent

    Sounds like the Iraqi detainees know (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 01:00:14 AM EST
    a lot more English than our troops do Arabic.

    Parent
    What else do the detainees have (none / 0) (#14)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 08:32:20 AM EST
    to spend their time on? Seems quite natural that they would be looking for ways to entertain themselves. I bet prison guards on the domestic level have the same kinds of stories to tell.

    Parent
    Oh, well, then -- (none / 0) (#17)
    by Cream City on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 10:53:15 AM EST
    sorry to offer a Friday-night funny story.  

    Parent
    Too early (none / 0) (#18)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 12:24:48 PM EST
    I guess...I laughed through the whole comment. Not sure the author of the piece you quoted was trying to be funny, though. Sorry my comment didn't justify your intent...I did know you were posting it for a laugh.


    Parent
    Okay. And oh, yes -- (none / 0) (#20)
    by Cream City on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 04:54:39 PM EST
    the local story here was disseminated with chuckles.  Then again, the Packers won this week, so we're in better humor here.:-)

    Parent
    Well, we did warn that using torture on detainees (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by ruffian on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 02:29:44 AM EST
    would end up causing our own troops to be tortured. This was not what I had in mind, but I guess psy-ops can be practiced anywhere.

    Parent
    Yeh. The Men Who Stare at Goats (none / 0) (#13)
    by Cream City on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 05:42:58 AM EST
    didn't go too well, I gather.  Maybe we could figure out a parallel torture tactic to the Iraqis' rather brilliant maneuver here, The Prisoners Who Mock the Badgers.

    Parent
    Polanski's LA lawyers speak: (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 01:34:22 AM EST
    LAT

    They say it takes 1 day per time zone (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 02:41:38 AM EST
    to recover from jet lag. I don't remember it taking this long last time, but I'm on my 9th or 10th day back from Japan, and still waking up eyes wide open in the middle of the night. But at least now I fall asleep at the normal time.

    But later today I'm going to reset a couple of days by going back 2 time zones west to Colorado for the holiday week.  It will be worth it!

    I see Ben Nelson is a yes vote on cloture, but Blanche Lincoln is still fence-sitting. Maybe I'll send her a little 4 am email...upperdown vote Blanche, upperdown vote

    what part of Colorado are you headed to? (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 03:00:21 AM EST
    Your neck of the woods j (none / 0) (#11)
    by ruffian on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 03:34:48 AM EST
    Denver and environs till Wednesday, then up to Evergreen for the holiday weekend. Gonna catch up with all my old friends and neighbors.  I'll probably be at the Tattered Cover late Saturday afternoon, if you are out and about. That is always my first stop upon hitting Denver. I miss it so much!

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    Which Tattered Cover though? (none / 0) (#12)
    by ruffian on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 03:40:27 AM EST
    I have not been to the one on Colfax yet. Is it as big as the old one in Cherry Creek? First time I was in town after I moved,  I went right to Cherry Creek and found the store was gone! I was in shock. So I went to LoDo. Another time I went to Highlands Ranch.   I'll try the Colfax store this time. Still looking for the same ambience as the old store.

    Parent
    I like the new one. (none / 0) (#19)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 12:37:10 PM EST
    Lovely historic building, similar in size to the old one and Colfax is much, much more interesting than 1st Avenue.  The best part for me is that when you get done looking at all books, you can go next door and get lost in the music at Twist & Shout.  

    But I don't think you can ever match the ambience of the original.  

    Parent

    DADT repeal hearings (none / 0) (#16)
    by jbindc on Sat Nov 21, 2009 at 10:36:47 AM EST
    likely early next year:

    Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) signaled that the much-anticipated hearings examining the possible repeal of "Don't ask, don't tell" will likely happen next year.

    Levin, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has always opposed the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy and had hoped to hold a hearing in November, but this month appears out of question and December appears unlikely.

    "We may not be able to have the hearing this year," Levin said in any interview on C-SPAN's Newsmakers program, which will air Sunday.

    The principal reason for the delay is that Levin's panel is examining the shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, which left 13 people dead and more than 30 injured. After several closed-door briefings, Levin said he planned to hold public hearings on the incident.

    Levin stressed, however, that the delay necessitated by current events should not be interpreted "as any effort to avoid the hearing" on the subject.

    Levin said that a repeal of the Clinton-era ban on openly gay people in the military cannot happen without a "careful" review by the armed forces.

    In order to succeed in "dropping the policy" Congress has to listen to the military's concerns, but without giving up the goal of repealing the ban, Levin said. The repeal has to work in a way where it does not create conflict within the military or morale problems, he noted.

    Despite the delay in the hearing schedule, Levin said time is not being lost because the Pentagon is already reviewing the policy.

    Levin said that the 2011 National Defense Authorization Act could be one of the vehicles to carry repeal legislation.