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    the new and improved Bible (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Illiope on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 01:54:55 PM EST
    In an effort to rid the Good Book of "liberal bias," the group has set up the Conservative Bible Project, which aims to rewrite the Bible from a modern, conservative perspective.

    "Liberal bias has become the single biggest distortion in modern Bible translations," the project's Web site asserts.

    i tell ya, that Conservapedia is comedy gold

    Oh man... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 01:58:03 PM EST
    I bet they are gonna cut out the only parts I like....so long Beautitudes, I won't forget ya!

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    Not Only The Beatitudes (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CDN Ctzn on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:31:57 PM EST
    but the entire "Sermon on the Mount" would have to be redacted. While they're at it, they might as well remove all four Gospels because you never know what that Jesus fellow might say or how He may be interpreted.
    Then again, why stop there...

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    To take the liberal... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:43:54 PM EST
    out of the bible you'd have edit Jesus himself out of the damn thing..I mean the dude was hard left as they come, no?

    Kind to hookers too, just like Acorn:)

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    Good point. Imagine Mary (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:46:24 PM EST
    Magdalene on video. She was kind of a Jesus-stalker too.  Why the heck was she at the crucifixion and resurrection?

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    Getting out of my element... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:53:10 PM EST
    I've probably smoked more joints rolled in bible paper than I've read bible pages:)...but I'd guess she never had a man be so nice to her...when they met she was getting rocks thrown at her and Jesus helped her out, right? If thats how it went down I can understand the devotion.

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    Ah, K-Dog, you libel Mary Magdalene (5.00 / 4) (#47)
    by MKS on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:58:25 PM EST
    The Pope offically apologized to her a few years ago.

    Nowhere in the New Testament is there any hint that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute.

    During the Dark Ages, Pope Gregory the Great simply misread the New Testament, conflating two or more verses and pronounced Mary Magdalene a prostitute.  There is a verse about an unnamed prostitute--but there is no reason to connect it to Mary Magdalene.  And, the story about the first stone and the adulteress leaves the woman unnamed....

    Many feminists believe that Mary Magdalene was deliberately defamed to eliminate women from power in the original church--and there is evidence (in the form of the Gnostic Gospel of Mary) that Mary was considered the chief apostle--greater than Peter.

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    Sorry Mary... (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 05:06:40 PM EST
    and thanks MKS for my knowledge nugget of the day.

    History is a trip...wonder how it really went down back then.  Wonder what fictions will become fact about our age.

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    Verbal slings and arrows. She washed (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:57:20 PM EST
    his feet in precious oil.  Who wouldn't enjoy that?

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    Precious oil indeed... (none / 0) (#29)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:11:00 PM EST
    nowadays we call it hash oil...I know I'm biased as hell here, but it makes a lot of sense to me...and look at the likenesses of J.C. throughout the ages...long hair, beard, robe, slippers...the guy is practically a long lost hippie twin of The Dude.  And you gotta be stoned off your arse to think and speak such radical sh*t as Jesus did back in the day. Alotta sense:)

    I wish I could find a link to a High Times article from over 10 years ago where they broke down the great mystics through the ages...Moses, Jesus, Joan of Arc...and the psychedelic/psychotropic drugs they were likely on.

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    Holy Smoke (none / 0) (#81)
    by dead dancer on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 07:49:52 PM EST
    Batman

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    I thought she was secretly (none / 0) (#30)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:13:39 PM EST
    married to him.

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    The Gospel according to Dan Brown? (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:22:19 PM EST
    Heh :) (none / 0) (#41)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:45:35 PM EST
    Not sure...a Google search brings up 47,500 hits for "jesus and mary magdalene marriage" -  you suppose they are all sourced from the Davinci Code?


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    not at all (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Illiope on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:52:14 PM EST
    see, the gnostic gospels (Gospel of Mary Magdalene, the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Philip, Wisdom of Faith, and the Dialogue of the Savior).

    from the gospel of philip:
    The companion of the Savior is Mary Magdalene. (But Christ loved) her more than (all ) the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her (mouth). The rest of the disciples were offended by this. They said to him, "Why do you love her more than all of us?" The Savior answered and said to them, "Why do I not love you as much as I love her?" (obvisouly, a translation)

    check out anything by elaine pagels

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    Yes, Elaine Pagels (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by MKS on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:01:19 PM EST
    is very good.....

    The dating of the Gnostic Gospels is very interesting.....But even if you accept a later dating, i.e., 200 CE or so, it still shows that many in the early Christian Church belived Mary Magdalene was the equal of Peter.

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    Pagels' research is fascinating (none / 0) (#74)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 05:55:18 PM EST
    as are the Gnostic Gospels themselves, from some parts that I have read -- what we have of them so far.  But also fascinating is that more are surfacing recently.  I suspect that will continue.

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    I attended a concert this summer (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 06:09:25 PM EST
    where the text of a quasi-religious poem was apparently based on the Gospel according to St. Thomas.  Except the program notes did not so indicate.  Thanks google.  The music was Haydn's Seven Last Words.  But some of the "words" were unfamiliar.

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    Mark Strand: The Seven Last Words (none / 0) (#90)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 01:41:40 AM EST
    The program notes for the concert I heard (none / 0) (#94)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 12:19:44 PM EST
    included none of this, which I discovered by googling.  

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    What's the answer to the question? (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:54:15 PM EST
    please send your donations (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Illiope on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:59:12 PM EST
    to the church of 'gimme your dough', and you will receive the answer to this question.

    :)

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    Most scholars agree (none / 0) (#52)
    by MKS on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:08:51 PM EST
    that the Gospel of Mary (and the Gospel of Thomas) existed as of 300 CE or so.  So, as of that date many early Christians believed in women having a significant leadership role in the Church.

    One verse in the Gospel of Thomas (or Mary) is cut-off in mid sentence, leaving a tantalizing clue.  It goes something like: Jesus used to kiss Mary often on the.....

    Mouth (spouse)?  On the cheek (apostle?)

    Dan Brown was good because he had some truth to what he said....The Gospel of Mary is one of the true facts he relied on.  A critic said that the farther back in history Dan Brown goes, the more accurate he is.  The recent stuff about the Priori of Sion is totally bogus....

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    It was the Gospel of Phillip (none / 0) (#56)
    by MKS on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:14:21 PM EST
    as Illiope shows above....

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    Well, so much for all that (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:01:59 PM EST
    "literal truth" business they've been spouting as the springhead of their "faith" all these years.

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    a righteous explosion (5.00 / 0) (#24)
    by Illiope on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:01:22 PM EST
    yeah, no doubt. i was wondering how they would respond the the gnostic gospels, especially the gospel of judas, but who needs to have an honest discussion when you can just re-write the already re-written bible to further mold it to one's own selfish needs.

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    Truly funny (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by MKS on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:06:36 PM EST
    Bible literalists want to get rid of the Jesus saying "forgive for they know not what they do" because it is a "liberal" comment.

    A "literalist" that wants to get rid of certain verses....

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    Goodbye Song of Solomon. (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:08:23 PM EST
    Again (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by mmc9431 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:01:40 PM EST
    The bible has probably been rewritten a thousand times already! Between various cultures, translations and a thousand years of word of mouth, I'm sure there's been quite a bit of "artistic license" taken. As they say, history is written by the victor.

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    Rush Limbaugh... (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by desertswine on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:16:20 PM EST
    poised to buy the St. Louis Rams.

    Swell.  But it's gonna be tough to field an all-white football team.

    I refer you (none / 0) (#14)
    by rdandrea on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:27:27 PM EST
    To Billy Clyde Puckett's commentary on that subject in Dan Jenkins' "Semi-Tough."

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    Not a good thing for St. Louis IMO (none / 0) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:38:08 PM EST
    Not a good thing for Rush... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:01:40 PM EST
    either, that team s*cks...maybe they deserve each other?

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    No one deserves Limbaugh (none / 0) (#65)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 05:02:12 PM EST
    A fool and his money. (none / 0) (#70)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 05:24:23 PM EST
    Yes. ROMAN POLANSKI (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 01:14:10 PM EST


    That stopped being interesting... (none / 0) (#2)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 01:48:54 PM EST
    around a week ago...is there no other celeb being wronged by the system? Cuz nobody cares about the Joe and Jane Blows put through the ringer daily.

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    Did you mean Jon and Kate??? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:07:41 PM EST
    Just kidding.

    I can see where there are legal elements that would make the Polanski case interesting to lawyers, but Polanksi himself has no insterest for me.

    I feel the same way about Letterman: I don't care about his marriage or however-many staffers he's bedded - the few times I've seen his show, I end up getting a creepy vibe from him, and I don't understand why people think he's funny.

    I am, on the other hand, interested in things like what Glenn is writing about today - the excellent stenographic skills of the WaPo's Anne Kornblut, who dutifully recorded everything the Obama administration wanted her to, even if it was a crock of you-know-what.

    From Glenn's post:

    The Washington Post's Anne Kornblut today produces an extreme piece of government-serving, stenographic "journalism," publishing a dubious administration press release masquerading as a lengthy news article on Obama's approach to Terrorism and civil liberties.  The Post depicts Obama as heavily and heroically engaged in disrupting the alleged Najibullah Zazi domestic terrorist plot and -- repeatedly highlighting that success -- claims "the White House has been charting a delicate course as it attempts to turn the page on Bush-era anti-terrorism policies," whereby "the Obama administration is increasingly confident that it has struck a balance between protecting civil liberties, honoring international law and safeguarding the country."  Here are all of Kornblut's cited sources for the article -- every last one of them -- in the order she cites them:

    Obama aides pointed . . . administration officials said . . . a senior administration official said . . . officials said . . . a senior administration official said . . . senior Obama officials stressed . . . a senior administration official said . . . aides said . . . officials said . . . one senior administration official said. . . . one senior official said. . . . The official said . . . a senior administration official said . . . a senior administration official said . . . administration officials said . . . . a senior official said.

    Not a single named person is cited, and there's not a syllable of quoted dissent in any of it.  Virtually every sentence in the long article does nothing but praise Obama and depict him as stalwartly safeguarding America's civil liberties (unlike Bush did) even as he protects us from the dangerous Terrorists, so why is anonymity needed for that?  It's nothing more than what Robert Gibbs is eager to say every day.  Nor is there a hint of who these officials are, what the basis is of their knowledge, or why The Post granted anonymity, all of which are flagrant violations of the Post's own so-called "anonymity rules," which its own Ombudsman -- just six weeks ago -- complained are "routinely ignored."

    And I think this from Think Progress:

    Politico reports that the Obama administration "misread the congressional mood" in wanting to close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp. "It was a widespread breakdown on the political, legislative, policy and planning fronts that contributed to what is shaping up as one of Obama's most high-profile setbacks."

    is pretty interesting.

    But that's just me.

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    Do you think Greenwald is a better observer (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:09:59 PM EST
    because he lives outside the U.S.?  

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    Where does he live? n/t (none / 0) (#89)
    by shoephone on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 10:41:06 PM EST
    Important stuff... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:42:16 PM EST
    but not very interesting to anybody except us politics geeks.  

    Not really news either...administration spewing a bunch of self-serving bullsh&t, you could report that everyday.

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    Anne, FWIW Greenwald opposes Polanski apologists (none / 0) (#53)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:09:31 PM EST
    The Greenwald article you cited today upbraids WaPo for their "stenographic journalism" on Obama's approach to Terrorism and civil liberties.

    However, Greenwalds Oct 1/09 column excoriates WaPo for their "wretched defenders of Polanski":

    The Post's Richard Cohen announced that "it's alright with me if Roman Polanski is freed by the Swiss authorities" and disgustingly used the word "seduced" to minimize Polanski's act of child rape.  

    The Post's Anne Applebaum called Polanski's arrest "outrageous" and...spouted outright falsehoods to suggest that the 13-year-old girl consented [snip]

    Notably, Cohen's opposition to Polanski's punishment ("it's alright with me if Roman Polanski is freed") matches almost verbatim his similar defense of Casper Weinberger ("Cap, my Safeway buddy, walks, and that's all right with me"). [snip]

    The opposition to Polanski's arrest by these Post columnists is, in one sense, merely a natural extension of their general view that criminal prosecution and prison is for the dirty masses but not for elites like themselves. [snip]

    For every brutal, lawless and amoral act, there is a defense of it to be found on the Washington Post Op-Ed page.  That's what makes it so unsurprising that two of Polanski's most ardent defenders are employed there.

    Again, Greenwald does not disappoint. He actually identifies the commonalities within a thoroughly corrupt culture of torture apologists and Polanski apologists.

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    Can't you be a... (none / 0) (#67)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 05:16:54 PM EST
    criminal justice critic without being a Polanski apologist?  I would like to think and hope so...

    Speaking of corrupt cultures...over 10 million and counting worldwide.

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    I asked this in the Polanski thread (none / 0) (#78)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 06:37:51 PM EST
    Please describe how the system was corrupt and failed Polanski.

    He fled the jurisdiction on something he heard where the judge might make him complete his 42 day sentence in a psych ward.  How was that corrupt, seeing as the event never took place?  And who told him - his attorney?  And my question is, what else did the attorney tell him?  Pure speculation here, but was Polanski given the option of not showing up by someone who knows the legal system? Inquiring minds want to know....

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    kdog, in answer to your question (none / 0) (#79)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 06:40:27 PM EST
    Can't you be a criminal justice critic without being a Polanski apologist?

    The answer is, quite obviously, YES.

    In fact, Glenn Greenwald is the personification of somebody who is a criminal justice critic without being a Polanski apologist.

    BTW, it's a safe bet that he shares your concern for the world prison population, as do I.

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    Just between you and me. I loved today's (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:07:12 PM EST
    TL headline re Polanski.  Finally.

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    Too much government info (none / 0) (#11)
    by MKS on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:09:39 PM EST
    on people.  New York will have cameras everywhere.  And, your cell phone will "ping" your location at intervals all the time.  

    Use any card--credit, parking, library, security access--and they can track you down....

    And, we are supposed to trust the police and prosecutors as honest, even-handed public servants?

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    Who owns your paper trail? (none / 0) (#34)
    by Fabian on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:21:55 PM EST
    You generate it.  Businesses collect it.  Then they sell it to...whom?

    Occasionally, I get the urge to dabble in FaceBook.  Then I remember what my husband, the software/distributed systems/communications engineer says about social networking sites: "Stay the H3ll away from them!".

    Yes, the gubmint can be seem like Big Brother some times.  I'm more worried about is the corporations who view us as resources to be exploited.  

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    What do you think the gubmint... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:34:01 PM EST
    views us as...resources to be exploited.  Both worry me...and only one has arrest powers.

    The IRS is the collection agency...and they're worse than the legit private sector collection agency sc*m.

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    Government (none / 0) (#77)
    by Fabian on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 06:09:50 PM EST
    is obligated to provide some level of transparency.  Corporations not so.  Just look at the difference in the health care debate.  People are crying about Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements being cut.  Fair point.  On the insurance side, there's an entire slew of complaints - rescissions, preexisting conditions, denying claims, denying claims and denying claims.  You know where you stand with the government most of the time.  With corporations?  Heck, there was a huge price fixing conspiracy on food - the fuel we all need to simply live!  

    I'll stick with the government.  They are limited by the resources we give them.  Corps are only limited by the potential to profit.

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    I'm just a rube (none / 0) (#42)
    by shoephone on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:49:52 PM EST
    but I agree with your husband. I stay away from all of them. Those sites give me the willies. I am already socially connected with the people I like and, glory be, I know them in real life, not just through the internet.

    My new saying: "Twitter is for twits."

    Except... I'm thinking of getting linkedin because it's a good job networking platform.

    What does your hubby think about linkedin?

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    linkedin is't bad (none / 0) (#75)
    by Fabian on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 05:56:47 PM EST
    Any site that encourages as much sharing and participation as possible is to be avoided.  

    Control is key.  Access should be limited, information should be only what is necessary.  And you should be able to pull out at any time and delete any information you posted.

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    kdog, this 'nobody' cares about 'Joe Blow' (none / 0) (#60)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:37:42 PM EST
    Namely, I care about Texas death-row inmate Charles Hood. Last night, on another open thread, I linked to this Salon story, Ardor in the Court:
    A Texas court affirms the right of a judge and a prosecutor who slept together to condemn a man to death.
    TL covered the case last year and I'm hoping it gets taken up again. Sorry it involves s-e-x, but that's how we all got here (more or less).

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    Speak for yourself! (none / 0) (#61)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:41:39 PM EST
    Sorry it involves s-e-x, but that's how we all got here (more or less).

    I was brought by the stork because there's no way my parents had s-e-x.  My sisters?  I think we found them somewhere.

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    Well I did say "more or less" (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:51:31 PM EST
    So, other parties evidently had the s-e-x, or the artificial insemination (that's s-e-x after a fashion, isn't it?) which produced the whip-smart, funny baby (jbindc) who the stork brought to your s-e-x-less parents. Same for your sisters it appears. Either way, glad you made it here.

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    I remember... (none / 0) (#69)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 05:20:45 PM EST
    reading about that case...more evidence the death penalty is a travesty always waiting to happen.  

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    Vikings won last night (none / 0) (#5)
    by rdandrea on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 01:58:08 PM EST
    n/t

    Atrios is crying wolf about racism again (none / 0) (#18)
    by Pol C on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:42:47 PM EST
    George Will penned a column that slagged the Obamas for the narcissistic aspects of their IOC speeches. Duncan wrote that this is code for calling them "uppity" you-know-whats. Of course, the term "uppity" means that one is insufficiently deferential to one's (supposed) betters, and I'm at a loss when it comes to figuring out who Will complained they were insignificantly deferential to.

    Charles Krauthammer called Bill Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Dan the Man on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 02:56:38 PM EST
    a narcissist a long time ago.  Was Krauthammer being a racist when he did that?  And if so, what race was he being a racist against?

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    Will had a point (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:14:54 PM EST
    Both Obamas gave heartfelt speeches about . . . themselves. Although the working of the committee's mind is murky, it could reasonably have rejected Chicago's bid for the 2016 Games on aesthetic grounds -- unless narcissism has suddenly become an Olympic sport.

    In the 41 sentences of her remarks, Michelle Obama used some form of the personal pronouns "I" or "me" 44 times. Her husband was, comparatively, a shrinking violet, using those pronouns only 26 times in 48 sentences. Still, 70 times in 89 sentences conveyed the message that somehow their fascinating selves were what made, or should have made, Chicago's case compelling.

    Some of us saw this habit during the primaries and the general election - the habit of making everything about them individually and not about "us".

    I don't know if that's what lost it for Chicago, but is a habit that is really a turn-off to listen to.

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    I saw that too (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:17:54 PM EST
    Not with Atrios on this one. Never thought of 'narcissistic' and 'uppity' being at all equivalent. But then, I've learned much over the last couple of years.

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    Does Bill Thompson have a shot? (none / 0) (#27)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:04:41 PM EST
    I lean strongly towards no, but SUSA sez "hold on a minute".

    I seem to recall the news saying Bloomie (none / 0) (#43)
    by nycstray on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:52:01 PM EST
    was up by twice that just in the past day or so . . it was when they were reporting the Schumer/Gillibrand "Democrat" endorsement ;)

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    Read somewhere the Dem. candidate (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:01:15 PM EST
    is miffed Obama hasn't spoken out in support of the Dem.

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    Well at least O didn't ask him to (none / 0) (#51)
    by nycstray on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:08:15 PM EST
    drop out, lol!~

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    Bloombo has been negative for a few weeks (none / 0) (#54)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:10:39 PM EST
    FWIW.

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    And Thompson's been (none / 0) (#55)
    by nycstray on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:13:59 PM EST
    "The Democrat"! {grin}

    Does he still call B a Republican? I've pretty much tuned them out . . .

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    Dunno (none / 0) (#58)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:18:27 PM EST
    Honestly, I think NJ is the more interesting race (that doesn't prevent Mayor Mike from continuing his mammoth media buys, though).

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    Dumping the dollar (none / 0) (#28)
    by Dadler on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:06:36 PM EST
    This story was on NPR this AM. (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:18:45 PM EST
    The original article's author said that the Saudis quickly denied that there were any such discussions.

    Apparently the plan discussed in the "non-discussion" was to stop trading oil in US dollars in 2014.

    It seems inevitable to me, considering China's stratospheric economic growth and potential, and not particularly frightening by any measure.

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    Every year there seems to be a story (none / 0) (#33)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:21:02 PM EST
    like this. Chinese intelligence would be smart to spread such a rumor.

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    Isn't China (none / 0) (#36)
    by Steve M on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:30:20 PM EST
    a little too dependent upon our currency to go around secretly trashing it?

    Those bonds they hold have a face value, so if they want us to repay them someday with an incredibly devalued currency, hey, that's their call...

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    Secretly trashing it would be (none / 0) (#38)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:34:12 PM EST
    of no value. I think they just like to kick the tires every now and then.

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    the ONLY thing that matters... (none / 0) (#68)
    by Dadler on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 05:18:20 PM EST
    ...when it comes to currency is the thoughts in people's heads -- that is, confidence.  it's all perception, in many ways.  and right now, more than ever in the last half century, guess who would is perceived to have more confidence in their future, by themselves and others, China or the U.S.?  Especially when more people, on a much more diverse scale, can now directly participate.

    Though I must say, putting that kind of power in the currency of a large totalitarian state(s) is an equally likely recipe for disaster on any number of psychological levels (or positive change, i suppose, since nothing really surprises me at this point).

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    Will the NY Mets have to go on the block? (none / 0) (#39)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:39:28 PM EST
    An article in today's Newsday notes that it could possibly get worse for the Mutts.  One of their owners' LPs was a big investor with Madoff, and was denied any relief from the Bankruptcy Court handling the marshalling of assets in the Madoff Ponzi scheme.  

    The relief they were denied was a payout of insurance from SIPC.

    Why were they denied?  Because they were "net winners" in the Ponzi scheme....

    From the article:

    "While records of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Manhattan don't give details about the Mets partnership or the size of its original claim, they were signed by a key executive of the baseball team.

    "Madoff records also give the old Shea Stadium as the partnership address. (Another partnership, Sterling Mets Lp, which is listed in different court records as a team owner, apparently isn't involved in the denied claim.)

    "The claim denial means that the partnership has lost out on up to $500,000 from the Securities Investor Protection Corp. and on a share of the billions of dollars in assets Picard is finding. The partnership has filed a legal objection to Picard's decision with the bankruptcy court.

    "A key issue appears to be that the partnership's account with Madoff didn't have a positive "net equity" because it withdrew or transferred out more money than it had deposited, according to court records filed in the bankruptcy case.

    "In those instances, Picard is routinely denying claims because he says the customers where "net winners" by taking out more money than they put into Madoff's business.

    That's right - it's likely going to be clawback time as the trustee pulls the Mutts into the court pile o' money to pay the "net losers".  While it is unclear whether the actual ownership of the Mutts will be endangered of being auctioned off, given the complexity of the Wilpons' business structures, it is entirely within the realm of possibility that we will see Mr. Met walking around with a For Sale sign taped to his oversized head.

    Watch.


    Every Met fan... (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:42:41 PM EST
    I know, myself included, hopes to see that for-sale sign.

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    Maybe put a rotating blue light (none / 0) (#45)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 03:52:59 PM EST
    on top of Mr. Met's head, like in KMart, instead of his cap....

    Or continue to have him do birthday parties.  He's clearly going to have to work this debt off, so no more hanging out - it's stop by a party and clear out.

    But, he has to keep away from the L.I.E., lest he wind up here again.

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    He does parties? (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 05:26:03 PM EST
    Did not know that...probably cheaper to buy some paper mache though and try and kick it Mr. Met style yourself...look at him in that party pic, he's a magnet:)

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    Yup. Click through (none / 0) (#80)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 07:20:52 PM EST
    and the wiki answers link I put up will give you a phone number (which looks to be at Shea or, rather, Citi Field) where they'll rent you Mr. Met.

    And the pictures in the Deadspin link are from someone's birthday party where the guy showed up.

    I'd bet he'd be a big hit at bar mitzvahs, confirmations, and maybe even the start of bachelor parties, too.  (I kinda think the club would want him to stay out of the more adult entertainment places later in the evening)...


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    Ras (none / 0) (#59)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:34:53 PM EST
    Archie. Who knew this comic book (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 04:46:07 PM EST
    Well, if California doesn't (none / 0) (#72)
    by MKS on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 05:36:01 PM EST
    turn around, I'll move to Oahu....I'm kinda partial to the Windward side/North Shore....still close to the big city but pretty rural....

    And what's up with all the ABC stores? (none / 0) (#92)
    by MKS on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 10:58:26 AM EST
    Somebody got an in with the planning people....

    For some inexplicable reason, I actually like Waikiki.  It is urban but still has charm--especially early at sunrise. Honolulu is an Asian city to me--so much is vertical.  And there is the Aloha spirit and Japanese Zen that permeates...

    The Kuli'ou'ou Valley sounds wonderful. I'd rather have be in an non-urban area.

    Chumming....Never liked that idea.  If you want to see pelagics, go to an acquarium.

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    LA Times? (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 05:54:05 PM EST
    Today reports the state is dropping the welfare-to-work requirement for receipt of welfare by single moms with young kids.  No jobs.

    America is in Health Care Reform School (none / 0) (#82)
    by joze46 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 08:44:23 PM EST
    It looks disappointing, oppressive, depressive, or distorted biased bloated with commercial advertising revenue money steering it. Now even more obvious that very many Congressional persons and even so called legal experts along with the so called intelligent journalist are not doing good at being focused in ethics and doing the job of educating America. Americans that are savvy "Must Resort to the Internet" to keep sanity. Speaking for me, just reading the many topics here on this blog are in the power curve that teaches me a lot.

    But, many have forgotten that this public domain medium called cable and propagated radio has a directive by a government which is by we the people, is offering a licensed to serve the public not work as a public political party operative. Limbaugh, Savage, and Mark Levin are examples of hate trash radio that should be taxed or place on pay radio, they should not be on a public medium they are biased political endeavors.  

    To paraphrase a simple expression always said in passing "Take Care". Well how can one do that if one does not have the opportunity? Perhaps like a public option... as an opportunity...

    Congrats (none / 0) (#83)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 08:59:27 PM EST
    to the smallest budget team to make the baseball playoffs this season...Go Twins.

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    Obama doesn't meet with Dalai Lama. (none / 0) (#84)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 09:01:30 PM EST
    Waiting until he meets leader of China.  Reaching across continents.  China daily

    Tom Delay (none / 0) (#85)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 09:13:31 PM EST
    is off Dancing with the Stars.  He broke both feet dancing.

    <shaking head> I actually feel sorry for Tom Delay.  Didn't think this day would happen.  He can't help that he's an idiot; he was born that way.

    And now he's an idiot with 2 broken feet.  Poor guy.

    Get better soon, Tom.

    Refusing an interview isn't a disease Oprah... (none / 0) (#86)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 09:25:08 PM EST
    VIDEO:
    Today on Oprah, the host interviewed a a 7-year-old schizophrenic girl who wanted absolutely nothing to do with O. You can tell, in the clip, that Oprah isn't used to this kind of rejection at all.


    Did you notice the look on the mother's (none / 0) (#93)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 12:11:58 PM EST
    face when Oprah was telling the audience that the family was supposed to come to the studio for the segment, but "no way was that going to happen"? Have to wonder if the footage shown was the bulk of the time Oprah spent trying to get an interview, and the only approach she took, or if it was just the clips that would support her position.

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    I thought Oprah came off looking really bad... (none / 0) (#95)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Oct 08, 2009 at 03:14:42 AM EST
    Her treatment of the child seemed overly pushy, invasive and completely lacking in empathy.

    The child's reactions to Oprah seemed reasonable by comparison.

    In all practical terms, the poor child was completely powerless to make Oprah go away. But the child had boundaries and she made it known that she wanted NOTHING to to with an overbearing stranger trampling around her house chasing her with a film crew.

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