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    Polanski: the plot (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:24:00 PM EST
    thickens.  AP

    LA County DA's office had an eye on Polanski when he was in Austria.  Lael Rubin offers her opinion.

    Show trial w/sh!tty lighting, hackneyed dialogue! (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by Ellie on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:49:16 PM EST
    Oh please please please please please!

    And what I wouldn't give for the judge to be a disgruntled fan and film geek, able to hurl quotes at will!

    Judge: So Claude, where'd ya get the midget and what does it plead ... ?

    Defense: We plead not guilty, Your --

    Judge: And what's the matter with its eyes???

    Defense: This trial is a mockery of a sham!!!


    Oh please please please please please!

    [ Parent ]
    Will he or won't he? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:51:54 PM EST
    His lawyers don't even agree!

    I have to say that when it comes to lawyers, I wonder about people who charge by the hour.  Is it in their interest to prolong the fight?  

    It's like with doctors - do they do more than a patient needs because there is money in it?  These are people we put our trust in - and not an inconsiderable sum of money.  How does a mere civilian know if they are getting their money's worth or being scammed?

    [ Parent ]

    I think it is a form of good guy/bad guy (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:54:42 PM EST
    negotiating.  I am highly amused by the good guy lawyers saying Polanski may agree to extradition if it can happen quickly. Hey, guy, we've got you now--wise up--you ain't callin the shots no mo.

    [ Parent ]
    Quickly? (none / 0) (#16)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:58:09 PM EST
    Why am I feeling smarter than that lawyer right now?

    Is the United States is just going leave Polanski in Swiss custody for months just to be cruel?
    You don't ask for extradition if you don't actually want it.

    [ Parent ]

    We'll see. Apparently LA County DA's (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:15:00 PM EST
    office has forwarded the required paperwork to feds.  There is a deadline when sd. paperwork must be filed.  Sometime in Nov.

    [ Parent ]
    Thanksgiving Day, I believe. (none / 0) (#33)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:24:26 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Okay, can we talk about Top Chef, (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:24:52 PM EST
    or did some of you DVR it and haven't yet watched?

    It's Restaurant Wars, people! - and there was a pretty interesting Quickfire Challenge.

    I don't want to give anything away, and it might not be much of a surprise who packed their knives and went home, but I thought it was a very interesting episode.  Some surprising weaknesses exposed.


    I declare the silent period over! (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:28:08 PM EST
    Robin has to be the luckiest contestant in the history of Top Chef. I expected her gone weeks ago.

    I am glad that they didn't send Jennifer home, though: she clearly deserves to stay. I also liked the new quickfire twist.

    [ Parent ]

    Boo (none / 0) (#4)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:29:11 PM EST
    no!

    I dvred it.

    I can't BELIEVE Robin is still there.

    [ Parent ]

    Sorry. . . (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:30:26 PM EST
    I guess I gave away pretty much the whole thing, but I had that happen to me a few weeks ago.

    It's a good episode: still worth watching.

    [ Parent ]

    I'll still watch (none / 0) (#6)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:33:50 PM EST
    and you didn't say who went home.

    [ Parent ]
    Spoiler Alert? (I don't watch it.) (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:55:21 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    The producers (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:45:21 PM EST
    have not cut the show in a way that depicts clearly to me why people hate Robin -- More they depict why I should hate Eli -- so I feel sorry for her.  That said, I want her to go home so I can go back to liking everyone else.  Because of their treatment of Robin, I don't like any of them....not even Kevin.  I think some of them dislike Robin out of peer pressure.

    Robin's homey pear dessert sounded really good.  I'd love some right now.

    [ Parent ]

    I think the show is edited for maximum (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:05:31 PM EST
    drama - how else to make a cooking competition exciting? - so I agree that it magnifies the interaction to maximize the problems and the drama.

    That being said, I don't care so much about Robin's personality - although it does seem like she never shuts up - but I think she has escaped elimination only because, on any given episode, she has either been blessed with immunity (once), or someone else has executed even worse than she did.  She could easily have gone home last week, if Ash had had the courage of his cooking convictions and not allowed himself to cook what Eli suggested.  She's been in the bottom a lot, and I think that is a reflection of her skill and her palate.

    As things stand now, I see the Brothers V in the finale for sure - unless something major happens - and I see Jen and Kevin right now in a battle for that third spot.  Of the two of them, I think Jen, surprisingly, looks the weaker of the two.

    I think Mike I. is doing barely enough to hang on, neither wowing nor massively disappointing the judges, but I think that mediocrity sends him home pretty soon.

    Robin, Mike I and Eli are on my short list for elimination - I don't see any of them in the final.

    [ Parent ]

    Mostly agreed (none / 0) (#24)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:08:46 PM EST
    I have a sense that Jen will be in the finals, but I can't put my finger on exactly why.

    [ Parent ]
    I must admit (none / 0) (#25)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:10:19 PM EST
    to not being an entirely dispassionate observer- I have dined at Bryan's restaurant in Frederick, MD, and it's quite good.  Expensive, but very good, and innovative.  Plus, the brothers are local boys (more or less- I don't live in Frederick, MD, but not too far away), so I'm rooting for them.

    [ Parent ]
    Mike lost me with his attitude (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:19:51 PM EST
    (I have very little patience for attitudes;) ) Bryan I like and Jen also.

    [ Parent ]
    I do prefer (none / 0) (#32)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:22:31 PM EST
    Bryan to Michael (and Bryan is the one whose food I know firsthand, as well).

    [ Parent ]
    Frederick is about an hour's drive (none / 0) (#41)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:47:03 PM EST
    for us, but I'm working on talking my husband into having dinner at VOLT - I've checked out the menu, and it looks very interesting (and expensive!).

    The brothers have such different personalities, but it's clear that they are both perfectionists about their food, and where there is perfectionism, there is ego; Bryan holds his closer to the vest than Michael, but I don't think that means Bryan doesn't have some "jerk" potential - when he told Michael to keep his share of the money he wanted to share with the team, I thought that was pretty jerky of him, frankly.  And would it kill him to smile once in a while?  

    The Jen who cooked last night was not the same Jen who masterminded the kitchen when they did the military base challenge, so I'm seeing a chink or two in what I used to think was impenetrable armor.  She's great at sauces, but I'm beginning to see a tendency not to push her creativity beyond her comfort zone.

    I guess we'll see how the drama plays out, but I am really pretty much over the Robin/Mike I./Eli experiment.

    [ Parent ]

    If you can afford it, (none / 0) (#46)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:02:02 PM EST
    try Volt's Table 21 (it received three stars in the latest Washington Post Magazine's Dining Guide).  It's the chef's table, 21 courses, served in the kitchen ($120 per, for the food alone).  We haven't tried that yet, but have eaten at Volt's.  It wouldn't surprise me if Bryan did have some jerk potential- I've been around a few restaurant kitchens, met a few chefs- when things get busy, almost all of them can get pretty "jerky."  Plus, as you said, there's the ego thing.  Whether you go for the Table 21 or not, I think you'll both enjoy the food at Volt's.  If you're looking for another outstanding restaurant while in Frederick, try The Tasting Room, as well.  Good food, nice wine list.  Noisier and less fancy than Volt's, but still very good.

    [ Parent ]
    I've driven through (none / 0) (#49)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:08:17 PM EST
    Frederick a bunch of times.  I had no idea that it was some sort of fine dining mecca...why is this??

    [ Parent ]
    Trust me on this, (none / 0) (#54)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:21:39 PM EST
    this situation is extremely recent.  When we first moved to Western Maryland, years ago, there wasn't much in Frederick that we cared about (and you could completely forget about Hagerstown).  We would go "down the road" toward or into DC if we wanted to dine out.  Now, with Volt's and Tasting Room, and even a semi-decent Vietnamese restaurant in Frederick, we can save a few miles and still eat pretty well, although we still like to go "down the road" frequently.  I have yet to find the same quality in Hagerstown.  I think it's because Frederick has grown so much, with lots of people from Montgomery County having moved to the area (cheaper housing)- they're used to going out for good food, and are willing to pay the prices.  That's my theory, at any rate.  

    [ Parent ]
    I used to live in PA (none / 0) (#68)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:57:46 PM EST
    and one of the "back ways" to getting down South involves passing through Frederick.  It is a very pastoral route of course (15 to 17), but definitely not where I'd expect to be able to pull over and have the meal of my year or something!

    I bet it's pretty cool to live near all those horse farms.  

    [ Parent ]

    I live in (none / 0) (#79)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:13:02 PM EST
    Western Maryland, where there are some horses, but mostly cattle (beef or dairy).  The fancier horse farms are mostly south and east of here.  But we do like living in the mountains- very pretty, especially this time of year with all the Fall colors.  Gets a tad snowy in the winter, but that's the price we pay for living out here.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah (none / 0) (#80)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:25:08 PM EST
    I guess the horse farms (esp. the expensive ones) start in Leesburg, or near there.  The mountains are great indeed.

    [ Parent ]
    See my comment below (none / 0) (#48)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:07:13 PM EST
    Jen is playing...11 dimensional chess!!!

    [ Parent ]
    Bwahahahah (none / 0) (#52)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:20:41 PM EST
    That's great.

    [ Parent ]
    I think one of the brothers will go (none / 0) (#34)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:25:45 PM EST
    and it will be Kevin, a Voltaggio, and Jen.  Unless she loses her nerve...my sense from watching the show is that she's been way too up-tight and cautious, even though she sends out some of the week's best dishes (except for last week, I guess).  I think she is playing it safe until the final.  Well, I HOPE so anyway, she's my favorite! :P

    [ Parent ]
    I bet Michael (none / 0) (#35)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:29:51 PM EST
    not Bryan will go.  I think Kevin, Bryan, and Jen are the top 3.  At least I hope so.

    [ Parent ]
    She has been in the bottom (none / 0) (#21)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:02:29 PM EST
    most of the time she is not working with others.

    The judges almost never like her food.  She has had a few exceptions.  But exceptions do not make a great chef.

    [ Parent ]

    what bothers me... (none / 0) (#36)
    by NJDem on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:31:14 PM EST
    is how arbitrary the judges are when it comes to elimination.  Sometimes it's based just on that challenge, other times they seem to take previous dishes and future potential into account.

    Kevin, Mike, and Jen clearly were more responsible for the food, but they are among the better chefs, especially Kevin and Jen to a lesser extent, so they kept them on and got ride of the other woman (who was terrible though).  

    But often, especially on Project Runway, they keep someone who's been in the bottom and eliminates someone who had been consistently good up until that challenge--drives me crazy!

    The Brothers V are great, but I'm rooting for Kevin to take it home.  

    As for Robin, she was on the right team and apparently made good desserts....

    [ Parent ]

    With top chef (none / 0) (#39)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:44:03 PM EST
    it's hard to tell how arbitrary they really are because of editing and the fact that you as the viewer can't taste the food.

    Project Runway I love but you are right it's infuriating.  And I do not have the same taste in clothes as Heidi.

    [ Parent ]

    I'm closely watching the progress.... (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by gtesta on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:46:12 PM EST
    of regulating the over the counter (OTC) derivitives market.  For a good background refer to the Frontline episode.  However, it looks like the chairman of the Ag committee put in an amendment that severely weakened the bill.

    I saw "over the counter" (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:55:05 PM EST
    and I thought "aspirin"?

    Oh.  Financial derivatives.  Not sure about that.  

    Definitely approved of having financial institutions like hedge funds being better capitalized though.  Some of the hedge funds sounded like they were the financial version of Enron - everything was fine if they could keep all the balls in the air, but it fell apart otherwise.

    [ Parent ]

    leverage (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Illiope on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:00:26 PM EST
    everything was fine if they could keep all the balls in the air, but it fell apart otherwise

    that covers more than just hedge funds. the entire financial sector was leveraged to the hilt. 20-1, 30-1, i had even heard 100-1.

    [ Parent ]

    What a great program that was (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:20:37 PM EST
    And someone explain to me, how, after that debacle, which is still reverberating, Summers and Geithner are still in Washington and not cleaning toilets in a leper colony in French Guinea.

    No matter what, the Masters of the Universe still have to have a coupla' guys on the inside at all times, I guess.

    [ Parent ]

    Hitler Upset (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:53:58 PM EST
    How do you find this stuff? And why (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:02:00 PM EST
    is Adrianna Huffington expounding on the situation at this late date?

    [ Parent ]
    its my job (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:07:19 PM EST
    and speculating on Moose-n-Squirrels motives is a place angels fear to tread.

    [ Parent ]
    Someone needs to come up with a new (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:15:00 PM EST
    crazy rant scene. Didn't Peter O'Toole have a few good ones?

    [ Parent ]
    From the LA Times (none / 0) (#14)
    by Dark Avenger on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:57:41 PM EST

    Los Angeles City Atty. Carmen Trutanich tried to pressure the owner of Staples Center to pay $6 million for city services provided during the Michael Jackson memorial, saying he would "go after you guys" if the money was not paid, the company's top executive alleged Wednesday.

    "I wouldn't say it was extortion. I would say it's a bully tactic. That's the way I would put it. He's trying to bully us. And he's done it on three different occasions," AEG President and Chief Executive Tim Leiweke told The Times' editorial board Wednesday.

    His accusations escalate a growing public feud between the brash new city attorney and one of L.A.'s most influential corporations.

    On the one side is the company that owns two of the city's most prominent entertainment venues, Staples Center and the L.A. Live entertainment complex. On the other is a city attorney who took office in July and has quickly developed a reputation for aggressive and sometimes unorthodox actions. Trutanich recently threatened to throw City Councilwoman Jan Perry in jail and file criminal charges against the city's top building-and-safety official if they violated his directives regarding AEG.

    Earlier in his tenure, when the city Planning Commission ignored Trutanich's request to delay a decision on approving new signs for the Los Angeles Convention Center, the city attorney sent a blistering letter to its members warning that he would "not hesitate to act in the future if it appears that you are aiding and abetting unlawful conduct despite my contrary advice."

    A spokesman for Trutanich dismissed Leiweke's comments as misguided and adamantly denied that his boss made any attempt to strong-arm AEG over the Jackson memorial.

    "The city attorney has never said anything bad about AEG. He said they are good citizens," said John Franklin, Trutanich's communications director. "He just wants them to pay the bill versus the taxpayers. He had nothing against AEG."



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    [ Parent ]
    Gahd's coal (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by Illiope on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 01:57:46 PM EST
    "Environmental policy has to be good business policy. .... And we need to use the coal that God has given us" --Lindsay Graham

    God gave us mercury poisoning too. and i'm sure He would be pleased as punch to know that we'll be getting more use out of that creation, as we burn more of His coal.  

    Heh! (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:00:17 PM EST
    Sell that line to the Chinese.  Lead smelting plants are shutting down because they are poisoning the townsfolk.  "Gotta smelt the lead or risk the wrath of Chairman Mao!"

    [ Parent ]
    Let's see: Fail Safe, Network, (none / 0) (#97)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:07:56 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Poignant. Guarneri violin sells (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:35:51 PM EST
    for $10 mil.

    NYT

    A friend of mine (none / 0) (#42)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:47:55 PM EST
    bought one for forty grand back in the eighties. She "sold shares"(talk about spin control) in order to be able to do it.

    The story I heard was that one of the keys to the unique sound of a Guarneri or Stradivarius was that the makers used some abstruse, alchemical method to mix powdered gem stones in with the varnish.

    [ Parent ]

    Most of the magic is in the wood. (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:54:34 PM EST
    There are many myths and legends about the various varnishes, but I don't know if I believe any of them.

    [ Parent ]
    That and the hands (none / 0) (#51)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:17:03 PM EST
    the ear and the soul.

    [ Parent ]
    And the genes. (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:29:53 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    And the jeans. (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:34:26 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Men who voted McCain saw testosterone drop. (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:51:55 PM EST
    I love studies, this just in:  
    Men who voted for Republican John McCain in last year's US presidential election saw their testosterone levels fall significantly when they learned he had lost to Barack Obama, a study showed Thursday.

    Saliva samples collected from 163 men on the evening of the election showed that voters for both McCain and Obama had similar testosterone levels when polling stations closed on the east coast, but the levels in McCain backers fell when Obama was announced as the winner.

    When Hillary lost, what happened to my estrogen?  No one seemed to care.  

    I wonder who designed this study and (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:58:42 PM EST
    if it received any federal funding.  

    [ Parent ]
    Well, when Hillary lost (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:59:03 PM EST
    I'm not sure what was left of my estrogen.

    But my testerone went up even more.  

    Me, I love menopause.

    [ Parent ]

    Um, cx: testosterone (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:04:00 PM EST
    Apparently, I need a supplemental spelling hormone.:-)

    [ Parent ]
    I looked at Tweedledee (none / 0) (#77)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:06:52 PM EST
    and Tweedledum and all my juices began to stagnate.

    Then I looked at McCain and they practically dried up on the spot.

    [ Parent ]

    Wow (none / 0) (#65)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:55:19 PM EST
    I wonder a) what that indicates, b) who decided to study that, and c) is that true in any election or just this one

    So random

    [ Parent ]

    as I said when I posted (none / 0) (#66)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:56:29 PM EST
    this earlier personally I am just happy to know that we are not only causing them to lose elections but erections.


    [ Parent ]
    LOL... (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:59:35 PM EST
    at least the congressional paiges will be safe for awhile...business should be slow in the bathroom stall knob trade too:)

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry!!! (none / 0) (#70)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:58:47 PM EST
    I hated when I do that!!  I am sorry.....!!!

    [ Parent ]
    oh (none / 0) (#74)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:03:17 PM EST
    no apology necessary.  I do it all the freakin time.
    just didnt want to repeat myself without saying I was repeating myself.

    btw
    I suggest storing this for apologies.

    [ Parent ]

    sure (none / 0) (#73)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:01:47 PM EST
    less of a chance of having a new breed of republican kids.

    This should help with the "emerging Dem majority" demographic bomb in the long term.

    [ Parent ]

    And as I said earlier (none / 0) (#116)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:49:03 PM EST
    the study found no increase in male Obama voters testosterone...

    0 + 0 = O, eh?

    ;-)

    On my more reasonable side, if you want to put forth the theory that winning increases and loosing decreases testosterone, I wouldn't argue...

    But if you want to say that a study of 183 individuals re McCain vs Obama voters proves anything..... Well, that still doesn't pass the smell test. And yes, it is a giant waste of time, given that the small sample is useless.

    [ Parent ]

    If the sample size were too small (none / 0) (#124)
    by Dark Avenger on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:33:41 PM EST
    that would've been caught during the peer review process which every scientific article goes through before publication.

    Here's a similar study, unfortunately the data base doesn't include political factors:

    In a study of possible links between testosterone and dominance, 119 men and 114 women provided saliva samples for testosterone assay and posed smiling and not smiling for portrait photographs. Expert judges viewing the photographs found smaller smiles among high than low testosterone men, with less zygomatic major (raising the corners of the mouth) and orbicularis oculi (raising the cheeks and crinkling around the corners of the eyes) muscle activity. Naive judges viewing individual photographs gave higher potency ratings to smiling high testosterone men than smiling low testosterone men. Naive judges viewing photographs grouped into high and low testosterone sets gave higher potency and lower goodness ratings to high than to low testosterone men, regardless of whether they were smiling. Among women, judges found only slight relationships between testosterone and facial appearance. The pattern among men of less smiling with higher testosterone levels fits with research linking testosterone to face-to-face dominance.



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    So, the high testosterone types don't smile a lot.  
    Who woulda thunk it?

    This study was done in Georgia, the voting one by Duke University, I think I see a pattern here...............

    OTOH

    Cross-culturally, male economic power is directly related to reproductive
    success. Displays of wealth and social status are an important part of human male mating
    effort. The degree of male financial consumption may be related to variance in life history
    strategies, as differences in life history patterns are fundamentally differences in the
    allocation of effort and/or resources. Males who have higher mating intentions may
    maximize their economic displays, saving little and even spending beyond their capacity
    through the use of credit. These men may seek and possibly obtain a greater number of
    sexual partners. This hypothesis was tested in a randomly selected community sample of
    men aged 18-45 included in a telephone health interview. The degree of financial
    consumption was directly related to future mating intentions and past mating success, even
    when accounting for age, years of education completed, and marital status. The degree of
    financial consumption was not related to future mating intentions or past mating success for
    women in the same sample.
    Keywords: reproductive strategy, risk

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    [ Parent ]

    You go right own and (none / 0) (#135)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:07:12 PM EST
    tell us that a sample of 183 with men is meaningful.

    I'll just say:

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    [ Parent ]

    and dont forget to own the on when you get there (none / 0) (#138)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:25:17 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    If you were more sure of yourself (none / 0) (#147)
    by Dark Avenger on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:45:10 PM EST
    you wouldn't be making elementary mistakes that can easily avoided by the use of the Preview button.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah'

    yourself.

    You brought up the idea that 183 is too small a number, PPJ, despite again not demonstrating any knowledge of statistics besides the elementary understanding necessary to successfully play poker.

    If you could show that you'd recognize a standard deviation if it bit you on the ankle, or could intelligently discuss what a Student's test is, that would be interesting, but I'm not gonna hold my breath while I wait for you to bestir yourself.

    Wouldn't be prudent.

    Statistics isn't some sort of mathematical mumbo jumbo, I happened to get an A in a course designed for business and science majors, FWIW, but of course, you aren't reading this by now, are you?

    TTFN

    [ Parent ]

    Likely true (none / 0) (#101)
    by Steve M on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:13:36 PM EST
    Prior studies have concluded that the same thing happens to fans of sporting events.  If your team loses, you experience a drop in testosterone.

    [ Parent ]
    Mets, Jets, Knicks, Islanders... (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:07:50 PM EST
    I must be running on empty:)

    [ Parent ]
    Oooooohhhhh. (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:14:21 PM EST
    I'm so sorry, kdog.  ;-)

    [ Parent ]
    Hey man (none / 0) (#127)
    by Steve M on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:46:52 PM EST
    I'm a Lions fan.  Yet I have two kids.  Go figure!

    [ Parent ]
    I'm sorry to hear that. (none / 0) (#128)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:48:30 PM EST
    I'm a Dodger fan, so right now I'm probably a little low in the gas tank, myself.

    Isn't there a shot that we can get to help us - that is, besides Jose Cuervo?

    [ Parent ]

    A shot of... (none / 0) (#161)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:26:32 AM EST
    this has gotta help the testosterone Don, and ease the hurt a little too.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm absolutely embarrassed. (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:10:11 PM EST
    My own U.S. senator, Daniel Inouye, chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee, is talking about stripping Sen. Franken's anti-rape amendment from the Senate's military appropriations bill:

    "Inouye's office, sources say, has been lobbied by defense contractors adamant that the language of the Franken amendment would leave them overly exposed to lawsuits and at constant risk of having contracts dry up. The Senate is considering taking out a provision known as the Title VII claim, which (if removed) would allow victims of assault or rape to bring suit against the individual perpetrator but not the contractor who employed him or her."

    "'The defense contractors have been storming his office,' said a source with knowledge of the situation. 'Inouye either will get the amendment taken out altogether, or water it down significantly. If they water it down, they will take out the Title VII claims. This means that in discrimination cases, they will still force you into a secret forced arbitration on KBR's (or other contractors') own terms -- with your chances of prevailing practically zero. The House seems to be very supportive of the original Franken amendment and all in line, but their hands are tied since it originated in the Senate. And since Inouye runs the show on this bill, he can easily take it out to get Republicans and the defense contractors off his back, which looks increasingly likely.'"

    Frankly, I'm disgusted that the short-term financial interests of defense contractors take precedence with Sen. Inouye over a matter of human rights, and I'm even more astonished when I consider Inouye's own documented past ethical / sexual pecadillos with women.

    (DISCLOSURE: I personally know the woman who became the focal point in this 1992 story to which I linked, and she's as humble, honest and private a person as they come. She was literally deceived into disclosing her very personal story to an undercover Republican operative under patently false pretenses - which is another very ugly episode in itself, and had to do with partisan payback for Sen. Bob Packwood - but once it broke in the local and national media, never at any time did she disavow or retract her allegations. While it's now water under the bridge, I still believe her, as do a not-inconsequential number of Hawaii Democrats.)

    I'd like to ask those TL readers who feel similarly and consider this an important issue to please call or fax Sen. Inouye's office in Washington, D.C., and ask him - politely! - to reconsider his apparent decision to remove Frankken's amendment from the defense bill.  Contact information is as follows:

    Sen. Daniel K. Inouye
    722 Hart Senate Office Building
    Washington, D.C. 20510-2201
    Phone: (202) 224-1233
    Fax: (202) 224-6747

    Aloha.

    May the ghost of the great Patsy Mink (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:04:25 PM EST
    from your state come back to haunt him.  What a creep.

    [ Parent ]
    He didn't like her; nor she, him. (none / 0) (#94)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:56:46 PM EST
    I used to work for Mrs. Mink back in the 1990s (we all called her that; the only one who I ever heard call her Patsy was her husband, John).

    In 1990, Sen. Inouye actually backed her opponent (Honolulu's current mayor, Mufi Hannemann) in a Democratic primary, so there was definitely no love lost between them.

    The sad part about that is that both Mrs. Mink and Sen. Inouye were both individuals of tremendous personal accomplishment, both on Capitol Hill and in Hawaii, but I think Dan Inouye really resented that as the "Mother of Title IX" she was his equal in that regard - and truth be told, Hawaii is an awfully small pond for two big congressional fish.

    Mrs. Mink once told me that he never forgot that she bypassed him and went straight to Sen. Kennedy to shepherd her landmark Title IX legislation through the Senate, mostly because she was afraid that he's steal the credit for himself.

    [ Parent ]

    He can do this all by himself? (none / 0) (#83)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:50:12 PM EST
    No process that includes other people agreeing with him?

    [ Parent ]
    He's the chair. (none / 0) (#87)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:00:03 PM EST
    In most legislative bodies, majority members will most always defer to the prerogative of the chair. What Sen. Rockefeller did last month in taking on Sen. Baucus during the Finance Committee mark-up of the health care bill was the exception, rather than the rule.

    [ Parent ]
    Then, someone needs to pull the chair (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:04:10 PM EST
    right out from under him.

    I'll certainly send a fax.

    [ Parent ]

    Mahalo nui loa. (none / 0) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:58:39 PM EST
    This is a matter of principle and simple common decency.

    [ Parent ]
    Pathetic! (none / 0) (#91)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:47:45 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Explain please (none / 0) (#117)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:52:18 PM EST
    why the contractor would be responsible for an employee raping someone?

    I just don't see the connection.

    [ Parent ]

    How about "hostile work environment"? (5.00 / 3) (#126)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:36:59 PM EST
    And the KBR employee who inspired Mr. Franken's amendment, Dawn Leamon, wasn't just raped at Camp Harper in Iraq - she was gang-raped by multiple perpetrators who all worked for KBR, and then locked in a storage container in a KBR facility for hours on end.

    When Ms. Leamon tried to report the crime to her superiors, KBR instead attempted to suppress the incident, neglected to get her proper medical treament, and forced her to work alongside her own rapists for weeks on end, until she felt compelled to seek legal counsel in the States.

    Please also consider the following:

    (a) Because the crime occurred outside the borders of the United States in a sovereign Iraq, the U.S. Justice Dept. under George W. Bush claimed it was powerless to do anything.

    (b) Further, the U.S. Defense Dept. claimed that since the alleged assailants were civilian contractors, they were not subject to military legal jurisdiction under UCMJ.

    (c) Also, Iraq has no authority to try U.S. civilians and military personnel for criminal acts committed on its soil.

    (d) Finally, KBR required employees, as a condition of employment, to submit to binding private arbitration in disputes with the contractors, which includes allegations of sexual assault by other KBR employees, instead of bringing complaints to public courts.

    Now, you make the call. In the interest of fairness and justice, does KBR bear any liability, either in all or in part, for what happened to Dawn Leamon?

    [ Parent ]

    Looks to me (none / 0) (#137)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:21:00 PM EST
    like we have multiple perps but I don't see that KBR raped her.

    Would the Obama JD do different? I don't think so.
    Is the contract rotten and one sided? Yes, but I don't know how you can just chunk it.

    What would be fair is a law that places contractors under the UCMJ. Arrest the rapists, try them and put them in prison.

    BTW - Given that NOW, and rightfully so, has noted that sex between a superior and employee is rape, do you agree with me they should fire Letterman and be liable for damages??


    [ Parent ]

    I think you're lost ... (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:44:21 PM EST
    ... in a sea of literalism. And what does David Letterman have to do with any of this?

    [ Parent ]
    My point is that you seem to want to (none / 0) (#151)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:00:39 PM EST
    punish a DOD contractor, re the "Bush" thingee for good measure. I am just inquiring as to your fair and balanced position. Punish KBR? If the corp has done something wrong, that works for me. Now, how about CBS?

    [ Parent ]
    First Letterman, now Dubya. (none / 0) (#158)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 03:33:31 AM EST
    Not only are you awash in that sea of libertarian literalism, you're apparently also without mainsail, compass, and rudder. Good luck finding your way back to port.

    [ Parent ]
    Well,. I wouldn't want to use (none / 0) (#163)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:46:03 AM EST
    documents provided by you that are not supported by facts.

    [ Parent ]
    What did KBR do to the male (none / 0) (#145)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:41:54 PM EST
    employees who perpetrated these rapes and kidnappings?


    [ Parent ]
    Well, we know what they did to her! (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:55:02 PM EST
    Leamon says that following her rape, she spoke with a woman at the KBR Employee Assistance Program who discouraged her from reporting, telling Leamon, "You know what will happen if you do." Leamon said.

    Leamon says KBR also assigned full-time security guards to her, which gave her no privacy or opportunity to talk about the incident with anyone, and further ordered that her movements around camp were to be restricted - while her attackers' movements went completely unrestricted.

    [ Parent ]

    Oops! Forgot the link - again! (none / 0) (#149)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:06:21 PM EST
    Here it is.

    That's the third time I've done that in three days, and I'm usually pretty good about that. I'm too young to be having a senior moment. Maybe I'm in need of a "Señor Moment", i.e., a nice siesta ...

    [ Parent ]

    That's not the link (none / 0) (#154)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:23:28 PM EST
    and based on the link I provided she says she was raped by a soldier and a KBR employee. And the military sure has jurisdiction over the soldier.

    Look, I defend no one here, but before we decide to punish we need facts. Perhaps you have some more?

    [ Parent ]

    KBR issued this: (none / 0) (#152)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:06:33 PM EST
    KBR release a statement today saying, "Ms. Leamon's allegations are currently under investigation by the appropriate law enforcement authorities.

    The source article is 18 months old. Do you know what the results were?

    [ Parent ]

    BTW - A soldier was involved (none / 0) (#153)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:14:40 PM EST
    she found a US soldier she did not know lying naked in the bed next to her: his gun lay on the floor beside the bed, she could not rouse him and all she could remember of the night before was screaming and screaming as the soldier

    Link

    [ Parent ]

    This is how we treat a mother (5.00 / 3) (#134)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:02:19 PM EST
    of sons serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, as Ms. Leamon was the mother of two men in the military at the time.

    And she was not the first subjected to such horrifying treatment by the mercenaries paid with our tax dollars.  The attack on her happened months after Jamie Leigh Jones told a House of Representatives committee that she had been raped by KBR/Halliburton co-workers in 2005 and was held in a shipping container for a day after reporting it.  And Mary Beth Kineston also testified to the House committee about a sexual assault against her in 2004, while she worked as a truck driver with her husband, both for KBR in Iraq.

    Senator Inouye must have tuned out during those hearings.  Or else he has no shame, either, just like the mercenaries paid with my money.  I cannot find words to express my anger at that.

    [ Parent ]

    Franken presented this bill with (5.00 / 3) (#144)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:40:53 PM EST
    such strength, that it was impossible to not feel the anguish of the victims. This was one bill that should have passed with a unanimous vote. Anyone who voted against it should be pounded with question after question about their stand on this topic during their next election campaign.

    [ Parent ]
    For starters (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:09:49 PM EST
    Behavior is top down. Allowance/acceptance/even encouragement. This isn't a one off situation with a lone rapist employee . . . it's a pattern of behavior.

    [ Parent ]
    If they didn't do a background check (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by Dark Avenger on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:32:17 PM EST
    or otherwise behaved negligently, they can be held liable for their employees behavior:

    The Facts of Criminal Liability

    Federal criminal liability can attach to an organization whenever an employee commits an
    act within the apparent scope of his or her employment, even if the employee acted contrary to specific organizational policies and instructions. An entire organization, despite its best efforts to prevent wrongdoing within its ranks, can nonetheless be held criminally liable for any of its employees' illegal actions.

    At the federal level, some three hundred organizations annually, including non-profit entities, partnerships, unions, trusts, pension funds, and corporations, are criminally convicted, primarily for fraud, environmental pollution, money laundering, antitrust, and food and drug violations. While many of these are small privately-held companies, a substantial number of large and publicly-held companies are among them. The ensuing penalties under the federal sentencing guidelines may include monetary fines, court-supervised probation of the company's operations for up to five years, restitution, public notices of apology to victims (for example, apologies to communities bordering a polluted river), and exposure to applicable forfeiture statutes.

    In addition, the collateral civil and administrative consequences of a criminal conviction may have even greater negative impact on the company. These commonly include loss of regulatory licenses, loss of opportunity to participate in government-sponsored programs and contracts, reputational damage, and productivity decline attributable to lower employee morale.
    Because of the strict standard of vicarious liability to which organizations are subjected under criminal law, the federal penalty structure implemented by the United States Sentencing Commission, pursuant to the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984, attempted to alleviate the harshest aspects of institutional vulnerability by incorporating various opportunities for the mitigation of the severity of the punishment.

    The centerpiece of mitigation under the federal organizational sentencing guidelines (see
    Link) addresses the implementation of compliance
    and ethics programs within the operational structure of any organization, whatever its size or nature. Indeed, this regime of internal crime prevention and self-policing may even persuade the Department of Justice to forgo the pursuit of criminal penalties under its revised 2003 Principles of Federal Prosecution of Business Organizations (Link).

    Optional Link

    [ Parent ]

    Even more free software (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:49:31 PM EST
    This time with no spyware!  

    Did you know that you can get Word 5.5 for DOS for free?  Here's a link to the page that talks about it.

    Link

    It will run in a DOS window on Windows XP, or in a DosBox on Linux.  What I want to know is will it run under a Virtual Windows XP session on Windows 7?

    I'll tell you when I get my $29.99 Windows 7 pro upgrade.

    Let's go Yankees!! (1.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:21:08 PM EST


    I'm a waitin'!!!! (none / 0) (#105)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:28:05 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    If A-Rod was really a team player, he'd (none / 0) (#106)
    by steviez314 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:30:33 PM EST
    let Kate Hudson sleep with Mark Teixeira.

    She's the playoff MVP, imho.

    [ Parent ]

    I think it should be Kate's decision (none / 0) (#107)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:32:48 PM EST
    who she sleeps with, not A-Rod's.

    [ Parent ]
    As long as Joe Girardi doesn't make the (none / 0) (#108)
    by steviez314 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:34:56 PM EST
    decision...'cause he really stinks at that.

    [ Parent ]
    Why should any man make the decision (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:37:15 PM EST
    as to who a woman sleeps with? We do have minds of our own.

    [ Parent ]
    No kidding (none / 0) (#112)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:40:31 PM EST
    And Mark Teixeira probably doesn't even have the smell.

    [ Parent ]
    I said 'let her' not 'make her', but if my humor (none / 0) (#113)
    by steviez314 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:41:45 PM EST
    offended you, sorry.

    [ Parent ]
    "Let her" still implies ownership : ) (none / 0) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:43:54 PM EST
    but I'm not overly angry at your covert sexism because you are just a guy :)

    [ Parent ]
    Like she needs permission? (none / 0) (#115)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:46:37 PM EST
    Might want to get up to speed on women  ;)

    [ Parent ]
    I'm reminded of a great scene ... (none / 0) (#141)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:35:25 PM EST
    ... in the 1991 Cameron Crowe film Singles, where two young female roommates, Debbie and Pam, fight outside their apartment over who gets to go out with the hunky male bicyclist, all within earshot of the young man in question as he stands inside by the kitchen window, listening to them argue and smiling to himself:

    Pam: "Debbie, Jamie and I were just making popcorn - what's the big deal here?"

    Debbie: "First of all, we always said 'separate lives', Pam."

    Pam: "C'mon, it's no biggie, all right?"

    Debbie: "No. It's. A. Major. Biggie!"

    Pam: "Look, I knew him first, all right?"

    Debbie: "Oh, so I guess that gives you the right to bone him in our kitchen."

    Pam: "If I wanted that guy, I wouldn't need to meet him on a video date."

    Debbie: "Of course not! You'd wait for me to meet him first, and then make popcorn!"

    Pam: "I'll make popcorn with whomever I want!"

    Debbie: "You've made popcorn with half the city!"

    Pam: "At least I don't have to chase the popcorn, you know?"

    Debbie finally finally gives in, but not before wringing a promise from Pam to do the dishes and clean the kitchen for a week.

    [ Parent ]

    Heh (none / 0) (#110)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:36:40 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yeah, I'm fine with her being the MVP (none / 0) (#109)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:36:13 PM EST
    but no pimping please.

    [ Parent ]
    I dunno (none / 0) (#131)
    by Steve M on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:51:14 PM EST
    Her taste in guys is questionable IMO.  She could at least consider delegating.

    [ Parent ]
    Is that like the American League's ... (none / 0) (#143)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:40:28 PM EST
    ... designated hitter?

    [ Parent ]
    We're about to have a TL World Series showdown! (none / 0) (#118)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:56:02 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    4-0 (none / 0) (#139)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:29:23 PM EST
    Angels, bottom of the fifth.

    [ Parent ]
    Dayum (none / 0) (#150)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:18:00 PM EST
    Tied.

    [ Parent ]
    While Holder and his gang... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:01:32 PM EST
    of merry mercs make their futile attempts to put a hurtin' on the cartels, one of NY's bravest actually did something tangible and effective at reducing the cartel's market share and revenue...and is about to get 2 years cage time over it.  I guess doing the DOJ/DEA's job better than they can dang do it is a crime too.

    Perhaps need to pay city employees (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:17:50 PM EST
    better?

    [ Parent ]
    For sure... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:33:09 PM EST
    every fireman I know with more than one mouth to feed has a second gig.  The pay sucks but they do get a nice pension.

    [ Parent ]
    Bong water (none / 0) (#26)
    by eric on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:13:00 PM EST
    This one's for you, kdog.

    The Minnesota Supreme Court says bong water can qualify as a controlled substance.

    If you read the story, you will see that the "bong water" was from a meth bong, so it isn't difficult to see why they came down this way.  The paper doesn't seem to get that, though, posting that picture of the marijuana.  Yep.  Same thing MJ and meth, same thing...

    Do meth freaks... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:44:42 PM EST
    really drink that vile sh*t?  Poor things, that drug is so nasty.  And to think there might be no meth problem today if not for cocaine prohibition...one unintended consequence of prohibition the man don't wanna talk about.

    I didn't even know people smoked meth via bong, can't blame the paper for the reefer pic too much, pretty buds attract readers more than dirty meth:)

    [ Parent ]

    I thought that meth (none / 0) (#43)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:52:45 PM EST
    was cheaper than cocaine - the drug's effect lasts longer, so you didn't need to consume as much or as often.

    Plus you didn't need to import it from anywhere or rely on out of country suppliers.  DIY.  A toxic process but one requiring no exotic ingredients.  

    [ Parent ]

    Exactly... (none / 0) (#47)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:03:55 PM EST
    when cocaine prices went through the roof because of prohibition, when supply couldn't keep up with demand, the junkies went looking for alternatives and found something cheaper that could be produced domestically.  

    Unfortunately its a nastier drug with production facilities that tend to blow up...the prohibitionists don't care, the jails are full.

    [ Parent ]

    Apparently (none / 0) (#59)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:42:53 PM EST
    there are just as few snobs in the drug culture as there are anywhere else and the average consumer isn't all that choosy about what they put in their bodies.

    [ Parent ]
    A degenerate junkie... (none / 0) (#67)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:57:16 PM EST
    will take just about anything for a fix.

    The recreational drug user, otoh, can run quite snobby.  I've been accused of reefer snobbery for turning down the denny when offered. (denny = slang for dirt weed:)

    [ Parent ]

    You didn't know that either? (none / 0) (#45)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 02:57:00 PM EST
    Smoking via bong that is . . .  After I thought about it, it seemed kinda obvious since they smoke via a pipe, and I just figured I was really kinda thick headed, lol!~

    [ Parent ]
    Don't feel bad... (none / 0) (#53)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:20:52 PM EST
    I consider this one of my few areas of expertise:)

    Only the good stuff though...hence my ignorance of meth delivery systems.

    [ Parent ]

    parenting (none / 0) (#50)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:10:10 PM EST
    Be nice. (none / 0) (#57)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:39:44 PM EST
    She ran for it as soon as she realized what was happening.

    [ Parent ]
    while still (none / 0) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:43:02 PM EST
    talking on her cell phone.

    [ Parent ]
    Hey, the youth generation (none / 0) (#63)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:48:50 PM EST
    are masters at multitasking!  All hail the awesomeness of the e-generation!

    If I was in charge of underwriting auto insurance, I'd start looking to see which e-communications devices were contracted under a driver's name.  How difficult would that be to find out?

    [ Parent ]

    Not yet another form of background check... (none / 0) (#92)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:53:06 PM EST
    last thing we need.

    Remember the urban legend of the "permanent record" they used to scare you with in school...that sh*t gets more real everyday, only for adults.  

    How many scarlet letters can we fit on our shirts anyway?

    [ Parent ]

    It's just for underwriting. (none / 0) (#99)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:12:02 PM EST
    People want to drive while distracted, you charge them extra.  It's just capitalism at work.  

    [ Parent ]
    A cellular... (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:11:04 PM EST
    subscription doesn't prove anything though, besides the fact you own a phone.  You might be like me and leave it on the dresser turned off 99% of the time.

    Stop giving the insurance racket new ideas...I could see them running with this.  And if I have to start peeing in a cup to buy state mandated insurance I'm gonna be pissed:)

    [ Parent ]

    True. (none / 0) (#159)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 04:30:42 AM EST
    But if I did a study, I'd bet I'd find that the fancier the gadget, the less often it gets left on the dresser.

    People who carry the in-case-of-emergency phones usually buy the low end models.  Fancy gadgets get pulled out often.  

    [ Parent ]

    Probably right... (none / 0) (#160)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 07:55:07 AM EST
    my phone is rapidly approaching antique status:)

    Still wrong to assume the worst in people though, though I guess thats why underwriters make the big bucks...assuming the worst.  Assuming the best isn't as profitable.

    [ Parent ]

    It's not assuming the worst. (none / 0) (#167)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 04:04:19 PM EST
    It's looking at the most likely versus least likely behavior.

    Teens, by any measure, are not mature, sensible, cautious drivers as a group.  They tend to be impulsive and easily distracted - not good things when you a piloting a machine that can kill others even at low speeds.

    Using electronic devices while driving increases the likelihood of being distracted while driving.  As a group, e-device users are more likely to do this and to get into accidents.  Accidents tend to do property damage and cause personal injury - and cost insurance companies money.

    While I'd love to have my insurance rates adjusted to reflect my exact driving habits and not those of others "like" me, that isn't the way things work because of the difficulty of collecting the data.

    [ Parent ]

    PRobably calling TV statiion, (none / 0) (#98)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:08:58 PM EST
    FAA, 911, whatever.

    [ Parent ]
    Capt, how are Ghost and Daisy? (none / 0) (#58)
    by MO Blue on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:41:15 PM EST
    Did you decide for or against taking in that small critter (forgot what it was) that you posted about not too long ago?

    [ Parent ]
    Ghost and Daisy (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:45:39 PM EST
    were apparently made for each other.  there was hardly a cross word.  and he seems so much happier now.  he smiles all the time. and she is a total sweetheart.   I lucked out again.

    I have not, at this point, adopted the chinchillas.
    I sort of left it up to the current parent as to when and how to proceed since I sensed he was extremely conflicted and was only doing it as a result of girlfriend pressure.

    thanks for asking.

    [ Parent ]

    I sense the presence of another (none / 0) (#104)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:23:34 PM EST
    failblog.org reader.

    [ Parent ]
    Fox News' War on the White House (none / 0) (#62)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 03:48:37 PM EST
    Media Matters (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:26:08 PM EST
    and everybody else, too, needs to stop obsessing over Beck and Hannity and O'Reilly.  It's the no-name "news" programs on Fox that do the overwhelming damage of pretending to be objective "We report, you decide!" and wildly slanting the coverage while seeming to be nice and calm and rational and sober.

    [ Parent ]
    The only time I ever encounter Fox News (none / 0) (#82)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:39:26 PM EST
    is when some inconsiderate person turns it on in the gym. Not good exercise motivation!

    [ Parent ]
    Sure it is! (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:55:29 PM EST
    It motivates reasonable people to run fast and far away from the TV playing it.

    [ Parent ]
    Our gym finally blocked the channel. (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:56:46 PM EST
    Too many members found it too irritating and disruptive.

    [ Parent ]
    You guys don't know what... (none / 0) (#93)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:55:24 PM EST
    you're missing...FOX News is one of the primo comedy channels on cable tv.

    [ Parent ]
    Happy Birthday Curly.... (none / 0) (#76)
    by desertswine on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:05:42 PM EST
    Curly Howard (1903)
    Jerome Lester Horwitz, a man best known as "Curly Howard" or simply "Curly," was arguably the most popular member of the legendary comedy trio the Three Stooges. He appeared in nearly 100 Three Stooges short subject films before suffering a career-ending stroke. According to brother and fellow Stooge Moe Howard, Curly often struggled with his lines and instead improvised the visual and vocal nonsense that became hallmarks of his character.

    Calling Dr. Howard...

    I always loved the Stooges. (none / 0) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:52:44 PM EST
    Few actors, past and present, are as adept at slapstick and schtick as Curly Howard.

    [ Parent ]
    For kdog: Man pleads guilty (none / 0) (#90)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:44:37 PM EST
    to driving under the influence.  Motorized Lazy Boy. AP

    Two in one thread... (none / 0) (#96)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:00:15 PM EST
    for me, you guys are the best...and my blood boilers are predictable:)

    Tough break for Mr. Anderson...I wonder if he thought taking the Lazy Boy out boozing was the responsible thing to do.  Better that than a Chevy right?  

    [ Parent ]

    The obvious thing to do (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:14:00 PM EST
    and cheaper, would be to drink at home.  Why give the man any more of your money than you have to?

    [ Parent ]
    The man gets it... (none / 0) (#123)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:25:10 PM EST
    either way, the man brews the beer and spirits, your friendly neighborhood tavern owner is the good guy!  He/She needs our support...especially if they whip out the contraband ashtrays after midnight:)

    Imagine if every drunk-driver was on a Lazy Boy instead of an SUV...the roadways would be sigificantly safer.  Obviously no motor is ideal..but if anybody shoulda got a break its this guy...I like to think he would have if he didn't hit a parked car.  I need for my sanity to think so.  

    I can see it know...some poor cripple in a motorized wheelchair is gonna get a dui wheeling home at .09...you just wait Fabian:)

    [ Parent ]

    It gets worse Oculus... (none / 0) (#162)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:32:54 AM EST
    they Lazy Boy has been stolen/impounded and will be pawned/auctioned off...pretty nifty lookin' chair too, what a shame.  If I had more scratch laying around I'd put in a bid and give it back to the guy...I'm sure he worked hard on it.

    [ Parent ]
    Interesting, as in CA, the driving under (none / 0) (#165)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 09:39:45 AM EST
    the influence must occur on public, not private property.  

    [ Parent ]
    NATO reform? (none / 0) (#100)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:12:59 PM EST
    Maybe

    Fogh Rasmussen also plans to propose to the 28 ministers a sweeping reform of NATO's military structure which would enable more of the of the alliance's 2.5 million service members to be used in operations, a spokesman said. Currently, less than half of those forces are deployable, and only about 10 percent are sustainable on missions for any length of time.

    And I found my next read this morning too, Rick Hillier's autobiography

    When Hillier took command of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) years later, "It was crystal clear from the start that there was no strategy for the mission in Afghanistan," he wrote.

    "NATO had started down a road that destroyed much of its credibility and in the end eroded support for the mission in every nation in the alliance.

    "Sadly years later, that situation remains unchanged."

    Hillier lamented "pie-in-the-sky ideas for Afghanistan" that were not backed by firm strategies, clear articulation of goals, political guidance or combat forces. "It was abysmal," he said.

    At the start of the conflict, European countries rebuffed Canada's joining ISAF. "We were shunned," said Hillier. "They did not want us as part of their alliance."

    The British in particular believed Canada had "lost its ability to be a war-fighting nation." They had "no faith that Canada would pull its weight, especially if things got tough."

    Eventually, Canada was offered a chance to join a US division in southern Afghanistan, deploying in early 2002 and earning the respect of US commanders as they helped rout Al-Qaeda militants.



    Um (none / 0) (#122)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:17:34 PM EST
    More free software?  Or free Orwellianism?

    Amazon has just announced that they will offer free Kindle software for your PC.  And one of the great features is that they'll keep track of where you were reading on your PC Kindle software, so that you can pick up your place on your Kindle hardware if you happen to switch.

    Ooooh, spooky.  I have enough software companies keeping track of my keystrokes.  Do I want Amazon in the PC equivalent of my underwear drawer too?  They're already spying on me via their web site but I only go there once in awhile.  No thanks to the 24 x 7 spying via PC-based Kindle software.

    Just my NSH opinion.

    Spooked right with ya... (none / 0) (#125)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:35:38 PM EST
    DNA sample at time of felony arrest, the number of arrests, the cameras...the list goes on.

    As long as someone is printing newspapers, periodicals and books...I'm buying those.  But I might live too long...the leap in the last 15 years has been pretty nuts.

    [ Parent ]

    I don't have a huge (none / 0) (#132)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:52:20 PM EST
    problem with MP3 book downloads from the library.  MP3's are not executable, so they can't do anything to your computer.  However, this kindle nonsense....

    queuing twilight zone music.

    [ Parent ]

    After I heard... (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:00:02 PM EST
    they yanked sh*t off peoples units I knew I wanted no dealings with that outfit...bad scene.

    [ Parent ]
    Elizabeth Warren for President! (none / 0) (#142)
    by lambert on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:37:55 PM EST
    At least you've learned not to refer to a (none / 0) (#156)
    by Dark Avenger on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:22:15 PM EST
    data base, so any progress on your part is to be encouraged.

    Here's what was probably used, stratified sampling:

    A real-world example of using stratified sampling would be for a US political survey. If the respondents needed to reflect the diversity of the population of the United States, the researcher would specifically seek to include participants of various minority groups such as race or religion, based on their proportionality to the total population as mentioned above. A stratified survey could thus claim to be more representative of the US population than a survey of simple random sampling or systematic sampling.

    Here's something about statistical power:

    The magnitude of the effect of interest in the population can be quantified in terms of an effect size, where there is greater power to detect larger effects. An effect size can be be a direct estimate of the quantity of interest, or it can be a standardized measure that also accounts for the variability in the population. For example, in an analysis comparing outcomes in a treated and control population, the difference of outcome means Y − X;  would be a direct measure of the effect size, whereas (Y − X)σ where σ is the common standard deviation of the outcomes in the treated and control groups, would be a standardized effect size. If constructed appropriately, a standardized effect size, along with the sample size, will completely determine the power. An unstandardized (direct) effect size will rarely be sufficient to determine the power, as it does not contain information about the variability in the measurements.

    and, for the trump, sample size:

    Required sample sizes for hypothesis test

    A common problem facing statisticians is calculating the sample size required to yield a certain power for a test, given a predetermined Type I error rate σ;. A typical example for this is as follows:

    Let X i , i = 1, 2, ..., n be independent observations taken from a normal distribution with mean μ and variance σ2 . Let us consider two hypotheses, a null hypothesis:

        H0:μ = 0

    and an alternative hypothesis:

        Ha:μ = μ

    for some 'smallest significant difference' μ >0. This is the smallest value for which we care about observing a difference. Now, if we wish to (1) reject H0 with a probability of at least 1-β when Ha is true (i.e. a power of 1-β), and (2) reject H0 with probability α when H0 is true, then we need the following:

    If zα is the upper α percentage point of the standard normal distribution, then

        Pr(bar x >z_{alpha}sigmasqrt{n}|H_0 text{ true})=alpha

    and so

        'Reject H0 if our sample average (bar x) is more than z_{alpha}sigma/sqrt{n}

    is a decision rule which satisfies (2). (Note, this is a 1-tailed test)

    Now we wish for this to happen with a probability at least 1-β when Ha is true. In this case, our sample average will come from a Normal distribution with mean μ*. Therefore we require

        Pr(bar x >z_{alpha}sigma/sqrt{n}|H_a text{ true})geq 1-beta

    Through careful manipulation, this can be shown to happen when

        n geq left(frac{Phi^{-1}(1-beta)+z_{alpha}}{mu/sigma}right)^2

    where Φ is the normal cumulative distribution function.

    Optional Link

    BTW, did you see this? (none / 0) (#157)
    by Dark Avenger on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:28:56 PM EST

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    TTFN

    [ Parent ]

    A study using only 183 is too small to (none / 0) (#164)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:58:45 AM EST
    prove anything.

    All the formulas do is put lipstick on a pig!

    [ Parent ]

    Again, if you can cite (none / 0) (#166)
    by Dark Avenger on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 09:42:54 AM EST
    statistical science to back up your assertion, that would be interesting, but for the third time you've given your take on it without any such rebuttal, screaming something at the top of your lungs doesn't increase the truth of your unsupported allegation.

    All the formulas do is put lipstick on a pig!

    As a Sarah Palin supporter, you do know more about lipstick on a pig than anyone else here, but you still have demonstrated no counter-example to back up your claim.

    Here's more about the subject:

    The relationship between p values and confidence intervals also provides us with a more sensible way to think about what the "p" in "p value" stands for. I've already said that it's the probability of a more extreme (positive or negative) result than what you observed, when the population value is null. But hey, what does that really mean? I get lost every time I try to wrap my brain around it. Here's something much better: if your observed effect is positive, then half of the p value is the probability that the true effect is negative. For example, you observed a correlation of 0.25, and the p value was 0.30. OK, the chance that the true value of the correlation is negative (less than zero) is 0.15 or 15%; or you can say that the odds of a negative correlation are 0.15:0.85, or about 1 to 6 (1 to 0.85/0.15). Maybe it's better to it turn around and talk about a probability of 0.85 (= 1 - p/2), or odds of 6 to 1, that the true effect is positive. Here's another example: you observed an increase in performance of 2.6%, and the p value was 0.04, so the probability that performance really did increase is 0.98, or 49 to 1. Check your understanding by working out how to interpret a p value of exactly 1.

    So, if you want to include p values in your next paper, here is a new way to describe them in the Methods section: "Each p value represents twice the probability that the true value of the effect has any value with sign opposite to that of the observed value." I wonder if reviewers will accept it. In plain language, if you observe a positive effect, 1 - p/2 is the probability that the true effect is positive. But even with this interpretation, p values are not a great way to generalize an outcome from a sample to a population, because what matters is clinical significance, not statistical significance.

    Optional Link

    From the study itself:

    To examine the impact of candidate choice on testosterone levels after the election outcome announcement, a repeated-measures ANCOVA was run with post-outcome testosterone at T2, T3, and T4 as a within-subjects factor and testosterone at T1 as a baseline covariate. A significant Time x Outcome (Win/Loss) interaction was observed in men (F(2, 100) = 3.40, p = 0.04), but not women (F(2, 188) = 0.39, p = 0.68) (Fig. 1). To quantify the effect of the outcome on relative changes in testosterone from before to after the election, residualized testosterone change scores were calculated from T1 to T4, where effects were predicted to be maximal according to time-course changes in salivary testosterone [31]. Residual testosterone change scores measure testosterone change between two time-points (T1 & T4) while controlling for variance in testosterone at baseline (T1). Using ANOVA, candidate choice predicted differences in men's testosterone residuals (F(1, 51) = 4.72, p = 0.03), with supporters of John McCain or Bob Barr having significantly larger testosterone decreases from T1 to T4 than supporters of Barack Obama (Fig. 1). Moreover, the candidate choice effect on men's testosterone change remained even when participants' conservatism, as measured by the RWA scale [18], was partialled out of the analysis (F(1, 49), = 5.39, p = 0.03). Further still, the candidate choice effect was maintained when adding an additional covariate which accounted for voters' intensity of support for their candidate (F(1, 48), = 5.37, p = 0.03). Using ANOVA, voter group failed to predict differences in women's testosterone residuals (F(1, 97) = 0.12, p = 0.74) (Fig. 1). When including the RWA scale and voters' support intensity as covariates, voter group still failed to predict differences in women's testosterone residuals (F(1,91) = 0.71, p = 0.71).
    .................................

    In retrospective reports of their affective state upon the announcement of Obama as the president-elect, McCain and Barr voters felt significantly more unhappy (t(159) = 22.98, p<0.001), submissive (t(160) = −11.30, p<0.001), unpleasant (t(160) = −20.10, p<0.001), and controlled (t(158) = 6.42, p<0.001) than Obama voters.
    ...............................................

    In past studies of competition, males' testosterone levels have risen in response to winning [4]. However, in this study, winning males' testosterone stayed constant from four hours before to after the election outcome, as opposed to rising. We argue that this is evidence of resistance to the circadian decline in men's testosterone levels, which would typically be observable over the four hour period spanning election polls closing to the collection of the last post-outcome saliva sample [22], [25]. Thus, such resistance to circadian decline over such a long period is conceptually similar to a rise in testosterone levels. Most previous non-physical competition studies have used competitions with significantly shorter durations [4], [27], [31], [33], during which testosterone levels would be much less susceptible to circadian changes. In contrast, the observed drop in the salivary testosterone levels of McCain and Barr voters was of greater magnitude than would be expected as a function of circadian decline [22], [25]. In an effort to specifically control for the effects of normal circadian decline in testosterone levels over several hour spans, future studies of this nature could also collect saliva samples from the same subjects on a control evening over the same span of time.

    ......................................................

    Physiological changes in voters were also accompanied by changes in affective state. Those who voted for a losing candidate felt significantly more controlled, submissive, unhappy, and unpleasant at the moment of the outcome than did those who voted for the winning candidate, which corroborates past research [31]. However, it is unclear the extent to which testosterone is directly implicated in these subjective affective states. In humans and other mammals, males' testosterone increases after winning promote willingness to compete in another dominance contest, while testosterone decreases promote withdrawing from further competition [3], [33], [37]. Since losing voters reported greater submissiveness, we speculate that losing males, who also experienced testosterone decrements, might have been less motivated to engage in dominance behavior after the election. Moreover, since the dominance hierarchy shift following a presidential election is stable for 4 years, the stress of having one's political party lose control of executive policy decisions could plausibly lead to continued testosterone suppression in males [2].

    So, as you can see, the p value was very small, which statistically means that the N value, or number of men in the sample was statistically significant.

    And, using the formula given above in my first example, 1-(.03/2) gives a value of .985, which is pretty clearly near the value of 1

    Any questions?

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