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AP Gets Emails: Swiss Ratted Out Polanski

So it was the Swiss authorities after all who alerted the U.S. that Roman Polanski would be in Switzerland to accept the film award. The Associated Press obtained the fax and emails between the Swiss Federal Office of Justice sand the U.S. Office of International Affairs, which is part of the U.S. Department of Justice.

Swiss officials wanted to know if the U.S. would be submitting a request for Polanski's arrest....After receiving the tip, federal officials alerted the Los Angeles district attorney's office, which immediately began drafting an arrest warrant.

I've read in a few places that the Swiss Government was involved in the Film Festival which extended the award invitation to Polanski. For example, the Swiss Ministry sponsored an "Industry Day" for the festival.

The Zurich Film Festival's first Industry Day will take place at the Seefeld Razzia on Tuesday, September 29. Sponsored by the Swiss Federal Office of Culture and Swiss Films, this event is aimed at all professionals involved in the filmmaking industry including producers, directors, authors and actors.

If so, I've been wondering if the Swiss action could be considered a "lure" which would violate DOJ policy, according to the U.S. Attorney's Manual.[More...]

9-15.620 Extradition From a Third Country

If the fugitive travels outside the country from which he or she is not extraditable, it may be possible to request his or her extradition from another country. This method is often used for fugitives who are citizens in their country of refuge. Some countries, however, will not permit extradition if the defendant has been lured into their territory. Such ruses may also cause foreign relations problems with both the countries from which and to which the lure takes place. Prosecutors must notify the Office of International Affairs before pursuing any scenario involving an undercover or other operation to lure a fugitive into a country for law enforcement purposes (extradition, deportation, prosecution).

9-15.630 Lures

A lure involves using a subterfuge to entice a criminal defendant to leave a foreign country so that he or she can be arrested in the United States, in international waters or airspace, or in a third country for subsequent extradition, expulsion, or deportation to the United States. Lures can be complicated schemes or they can be as simple as inviting a fugitive by telephone to a party in the United States.

As noted above, some countries will not extradite a person to the United States if the person's presence in that country was obtained through the use of a lure or other ruse. In addition, some countries may view a lure of a person from its territory as an infringement on its sovereignty. Consequently, a prosecutor must consult with the Office of International Affairs before undertaking a lure to the United States or a third country.

So, was Polanski lured to Switzerland through the film award invitation? Possibly, if the Swiss Government was involved in the Zurich Film Festival. Unfortunately for Polanski, the U.S. Attorney's Manual is not binding on the courts. But if so, this extradition request is even more objectionable.

It was not the LA District Attorney's office that set this in motion. It was the Department of Justice's Office of International Affairs:

Acting either directly or through the Department of State, OIA initiates all requests for provisional arrest of fugitives pursuant to extradition treaties. Neither prosecutors nor agents are permitted to contact their foreign counterparts to request the arrest of a fugitive for extradition. Unauthorized requests cause serious diplomatic difficulties and may subject the requester to financial liability or other sanctions.

To debunk another frequently reported statement: Despite the fact that Polanski pleaded guilty, according to law, he has not been convicted because sentence wasn't imposed:

If the defendant fled after the verdict but before sentencing, he or she has not been convicted, and the prosecutor must supply the affidavits described in this Manual at 608, unless the treaty specifically equates conviction with a finding of guilt.

Since Polanski was not convicted, the U.S. has to supply an affidavit establishing the commission of the offense. That means not just probable cause, but a prima facie case.

However, in the United Kingdom, Canada, and most other common law countries, the documents in support of extradition must establish a prima facie case. A prima facie case is established when the evidence submitted to the foreign magistrate would, if standing alone, justify a properly instructed jury in returning a verdict of guilty. Further, those countries, the United Kingdom, Canada, and other common law countries, do not accept hearsay in affidavits submitted in support of requests for extradition.

....Each affiant should state clearly and concisely the relevant facts, avoiding hearsay if possible.

Grand jury transcripts are not favored for establishing the crime:

Grand Jury Transcripts. A second, less-preferred means of establishing the crime involves attaching copies of grand jury transcripts to the prosecutor's affidavit. This method causes problems because some countries refuse to accept grand jury transcripts or may require an affidavit by the witness adopting them as true in the present time; they tend to be less concise than affidavits (resulting in higher translation costs); they are not accorded the same weight as affidavits in some countries;

Then there's the Rule of Specialty under which Polanski can only be prosecuted or punished in the U.S. for the crime for which extradition was sought. I assume that's unlawful sexual intercourse with a person under 18 -- not rape or the other crimes with which he was originally charged:

Every extradition treaty limits extradition to certain offenses. As a corollary, all extradition treaties restrict prosecution or punishment of the fugitive to the offense for which extradition was granted unless (1) the offense was committed after the fugitive's extradition or (2) the fugitive remains in the jurisdiction after expiration of a "reasonable time" (generally specified in the extradition treaty itself) following completion of his punishment. This limitation is referred to as the Rule of Specialty. Prosecutors who wish to proceed against an extradited person on charges other than those for which extradition was granted must contact the Office of International Affairs (OIA) for guidance regarding the availability of a waiver of the Rule by the sending State.

It seems to me Polanski has an argument he was lured to Switzerland which would violate DOJ policy. And, it's possible the only valid extradition request would be one for the offense to which he pleaded guilty -- unlawful sexual intercourse with a person under 18, unless they have presented "a prima facie case" consisting of more than hearsay and the accuser's grand jury testimony. I'm assuming that's a crime in Switzerland, because if it isn't, it wouldn't be an extraditable offense.

I think I'll search out the treaty between the U.S. and Switzerland and answer some of my own questions. If you have others, feel free to add them. Keep in mind this post is speculation, since I haven't seen the actual extradition request specifying the offense for which extradition is being sought, the supporting documents, the US-Swiss treaty or documents setting forth the connection between the Swiss Government and the Festival (although I think it's the Ministry of Cultural Affairs.)

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    Is there any indication the U.S. (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:16:48 PM EST
    had any part and/or advance notice of Switzerland's participating in the film festival?  This is really a stretch IMO.  And makes mince meate of all the aspersions cast upon LA County DA's office as to arrest in Switzerland

    it wouldn't matter what the U.S. knew (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:18:46 PM EST
    It's whether the third country (Switzerland) lured Polanski from France to Zurich intending on arresting him on the U.S. warrant.

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    that's a fair inference (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:20:27 PM EST
    now that we know it was the Swiss who alerted the DOJ's OIA that Polanski would be in Zurich and asked OIA if it would like him arrested.

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    And some regular commenters thought (none / 0) (#33)
    by scribe on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 04:18:31 AM EST
    when I posited that it was the Swiss who ratted him out - as a part of a trade to get some good points for their banking industry in its troubles with the IRS - that it was a "bizzare series of assertions"....

    Turns out it was right.

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    It is kinda funny (none / 0) (#41)
    by Steve M on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:08:31 AM EST
    this is like the fifth time you have declared victory, even though the implausible portions of your theory have yet to be proven.  The post you linked to doesn't even say the Swiss ratted him out.

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    It looks to me like the manual is addressing (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:23:47 PM EST
    lures involving the prosecutor, i.e., in this case, LA County DA's office.  

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    you might be right (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:44:04 PM EST
    that they are talking about the U.S. luring the person to the third country. I didn't read it that way and I think it should apply whoever did the luring, because the U.S. shouldn't be complicit in another country's lure. Since the Supreme Court has said the U.S. can use trickery and subterfuge, even to kidnap a person in another country to bring them back here, I assumed the policy was talking about the actions of the third country. But if you are right, then my theory goes out the window.

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    What window? What "lure"? (none / 0) (#55)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 04:54:46 PM EST
    Just take a look at how the Zurich Film Festival is sponsored and operated.

    In brief: Government officials don't decide who gets the awards ("lures"). Award winners are decided by international juries, comprised of prominent individuals in the film industry.

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    Interesting (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Steve M on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:36:19 PM EST
    Seems to me that it wouldn't be enough to show that the Swiss government has some role in sponsoring the festival, absent evidence that the government actually played a role in deciding who gets invited.

    According to the Zurich Film Festival (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:44:38 PM EST
    website, Starbuck's is the coffee partner of the festival.  Is this significant?

    Also:  Zurich Film Festival news release

    In order to avoid a threatening lawsuit, the filmmaker left the USA and headed back to Paris in 1978.


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    That is taking putting lipstick on a pig (none / 0) (#24)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 10:40:22 PM EST
    to the extreme.

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    The world doesn't have enough lipstick (none / 0) (#56)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 04:57:30 PM EST
    for this one.

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    Sympathy for... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by jarober on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 09:15:39 PM EST
    Why there's so much sympathy for a man who had his way with a 13 year old is beyond me.  It doesn't matter what the victim says now.  What he did is beyond the pale, and arguing otherwise is just disturbing.

    Apparently (none / 0) (#15)
    by Watermark on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 09:25:26 PM EST
    The victim doesn't think so, and personally I'm a tad bit more inclined to listen to her than jarober.

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    Why do you think the victim is disturing? (none / 0) (#16)
    by Watermark on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 09:26:15 PM EST
    Just admit it: you hate victims.

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    See my previous prognosications. This (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 10:11:28 PM EST
    is what I expect to happen.  Although the longer Polanski fights extradition, the longer the time served will be.  

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    I was thinking the Swiss are known for (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 10:09:55 PM EST
    precision.  Can't have that unresolved Interpol warrant pending when the person of interest is known to be in Switzerland.  What are you thinking Switzerland  seeks to gain from either France or U.S. as a result of executing warrant on Polanski?

    A lovely chateau? n/t (none / 0) (#23)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 10:36:59 PM EST
    Seems like chump change to me. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 05:03:32 AM EST
    I'm sure it is worth a few million Euros, but that's not much in face of all the publicity and hassle.

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    statutory rape (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by cpinva on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 01:48:07 AM EST
    assumes the victim is a willing participant, but underage. in mr. polanski's case, he admitted drugging the victim first, negating any defense that she was a "willing" participant, just an underage one.

    if, as jeralyn ponders, this was a "lure" by the swiss authorities, why wait 30 years to toss it in the water? when trolling for the big fish, you get that lure in the water as fast as you can.

    of course, jeralyn gives no confirmable facts to support her pondering (to be fair, none have been made public). guess we'll have to wait for the movie.

    Consent i( or lack thereof) (none / 0) (#38)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:02:17 AM EST
    is not an element of violation of PC 261.5.  

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    If we hold that (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 12:28:24 PM EST
    A grand jury transcript is not evidence and it is not proof. It is one sided testimony not subjected to cross-examination.
    should we not also hold that a movie (and/or its transcript) is also "not evidence and it is not proof. It is one sided testimony not subjected to cross-examination."

    And how shall we "hold" Polanski's (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 12:30:15 PM EST
    statements?  Admissions against interest?  

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    Just to Clarify (none / 0) (#6)
    by BDB on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:36:52 PM EST
    Unless the treaty with Switzerland says otherwise (and I don't know how it's drafted), Polanski is not considered convicted for purposes of the extradition treaty.  I believe, however, under California law, Polanski became convicted of the crime when he entered his guilty plea.  

    No one is convicted until (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:47:16 PM EST
    sentence is imposed. I don't think California can say otherwise. A judgment of conviction always involves a plea or verdict and sentence.

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    Link is to California court information website. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:54:16 PM EST
    link

    For purposes of seeking expungement, conviction is entry of plea or verdict.  

    I think Polanski's plea of guilty to PC 261.5 equals a conviction.  

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    Yes. It's almost pure speculation. (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:28:58 AM EST
    You can say "Oh, that mean ol' judge was going to do Polanski dirty!" but because there he was never actually sentenced, we don't know that he would or wouldn't have done for certain.  The collusions may have been unethical, but they resulted in nothing.  It's like a three act play where the curtain goes up on the third act, the lights come up and no actors are on the set.  Nothing happens.  

    We are still waiting for the actors to take their place and finish the play.  

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    your link doesn't support (none / 0) (#25)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 10:42:56 PM EST
    your assertion.

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    Reasonable minds may differ: (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 10:48:43 PM EST
    Your Date(s) of Conviction(s) [The date of your plea or verdict.]
    The Code Name(s) and Section Number(s) you were convicted of violating.
    Was there a "Verdict" or did you "Enter a Plea"? If you Entered a Plea, was it "Guilty" or "Nolo Contendere" (No Contest)?


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    California Penal Code section 15: (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 10:57:05 PM EST
    15.  A crime or public offense is an act committed or omitted in
    violation of a law forbidding or commanding it, and to which is
    annexed, upon conviction, either of the following punishments
    :
       1. Death;
       2. Imprisonment;
       3. Fine;
       4. Removal from office; or,
       5. Disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust,
    or profit in this State.
     [Italics added.]

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    California Penal Code section 1168, (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 11:20:52 PM EST
    subdivision (a):

    1168.  (a) Every person who commits a public offense, for which any
    specification of three time periods of imprisonment in any state
    prison is now prescribed by law or for which only a single term of
    imprisonment in state prison is specified shall, unless such
    convicted person be placed on probation, a new trial granted, or the
    imposing of sentence suspended, be sentenced pursuant to Chapter 4.5
    (commencing with Section 1170) of Title 7 of Part 2.
       


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    I think you are confusing (none / 0) (#31)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 01:01:36 AM EST
    the date one is found guilty by plea or verdict (as in "the jury convicted him") with the date it becomes a judgment. A conviction does not become a final judgment until sentencing, or, if appealed, until the appeal is denied.

    Since Polanski wasn't sentenced, he doesn't have a final judgment of conviction. That's my final word on this.

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    Polanski has a "conviction" (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:59:59 AM EST
    for violation of PC 261.5.  It became a "conviction" when he changed his plea to guilty.  There will not be a judgement unless and until he is sentenced.  

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    the crime (none / 0) (#10)
    by diogenes on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:53:03 PM EST
    It is sexist misinformation to define this case as "poor Roman Polanski is victimized by puritans when he had sex with a fully willing but underage 13 year old".  It was forcible rape, and if happened today then NOW and others would attack the prosecutor for allowing the plea bargain that was proposed.

    As you no doubt are aware, (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 09:05:43 PM EST
    Polanski entered a plea of guilty to PC 261.5.  At the time he entered that plea, the victim's identity had not yet become public knowledge.  Her attorney filed a letter with the court, which is attached to the change of plea transcript.  The attorney stated in the letter the victim's family supported the plea bargain because they did not want their daughter's name to become public knowledge.  Unless Polanski moves to set aside that plea, which, IMO, would be quite foolish, considering the lengthy sentence he could face on the underlying charges, the state of the record is the fact of the plea, which does not contain elements of lack of consent or force.  

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    The rape charge was dropped (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 09:14:07 PM EST
    Diogenes, don't post false statements here. A grand jury transcript is not evidence and it is not proof. It is one sided testimony not subjected to cross-examination. There has never been a plea or verdict on a forcible rape charge. Future comments stating otherwise will be deleted.

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    Polanski's remarks during his guilty (none / 0) (#59)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 01:42:32 PM EST
    plea are also
    one sided testimony not subjected to cross-examination.

    You have made that comment numerous times about the victim's Grand Jury testimony. Yet, you NEVER note the fact that Polanski's testimony to the judge was also not subject to cross-examination or counter-argument.

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    The rape charge was not "dropped" (none / 0) (#60)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 01:49:37 PM EST
    due to lack of evidence. Five of the most serious charges were withdrawn, in exchange for Polanski's guilty plea to "Unlawful Sexual Intercourse with a Minor under the age of 14, to wit a 13 year old girl".

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    I find the extra-legal conduct (none / 0) (#42)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 12:19:41 PM EST
    I find the extra-legal conduct of the presiding judge and the prosecutors to be even more reprehensible
    Such extra-legal conduct has been alleged, but not proven.

    iow, there has been no due process to determine the legitimacy of that claim.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#57)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:10:08 PM EST
    while apparently unbeknownst to either him or his defense counsel, another prosecutor in the D.A.'s office was engaged in ex parte discussions with the sentencing judge to renege on their end of the bargain, while still holding the defendant to his

    I believe his defense counsel knew about this - that's why Polanski found out about it and ran - he thought he was going to get a raw deal. (cough).

    I find the extra-legal conduct of the presiding judge and the prosecutors to be even more reprehensible, since these are the very people we entrust with our system of justice.

    What conduct?  Talking about something?  Maybe unethical, but certainly not "extra-legal".  Nothing happened to Polanski because of this alleged conversation - Polanski made sure of that by fleeing, so he basically destroyed his own argument, unless of course the First Amendment doesn't apply to judges and DDAs.

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    Today re Polanski: (none / 0) (#39)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:13:41 AM EST
    LAT

    Not exactly surprising (none / 0) (#58)
    by Bosiul on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:43:12 AM EST
    Swiss officials will do all they can to extradite him - I think actively tracking and arresting him made so much clear.

    But even in all this "foreplay" the Swiss judiciary already left open the door for bail - the Bundesstrafgericht, in its motivation, makes it clear that a broader deal could lead to temporary freedom when his case comes before the Bundesgericht. The original Swiss article from which newspapers have been quoting mentions the case of an Italian who was recently released on bail after an appeal to the Bundesgericht despite an earlier negative ruling by the Bundesstrafgericht (Blick).

    They also seem to be forgetting Polanski's legal team can lodge at least four appeals to the extradition request (when it finally arrives). They will hold a magnifying glass  to the US-Swiss Treaty.

    And that's where the real battle will start. Polanski's legal status in itself is already food for discussion. As far as I know, the Swiss-US treaty only deals with suspects and sentenced people.  Not sentencing Polanski in absentia may backfire in the face of the LA judiciary. If it is accepted that Polanski was either formally or de facto convicted, then a sentence term could be required - the Swiss do not extradite if time to be served doesn't meet a minimum threshold. And they [the defense] may even spin their own take on "time served" including his stay in Swiss jail cells added with the pre-sentencing time he did in the US. That particular defense would be strengthened by the Fidler meeting, in which he allegedly was prepared to rule his final sentence to be time served. Now, all this is even aside from the allegations of whatever misconduct may have taken place. A major stumbling block for Polanski's defense is the fleeing-justice charge though. Will be interesting to see how they'll counter that.

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    Polanski lawyer says his (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:18:06 AM EST
    client may agree to extradition:  NYT

    How interesting would that be: (none / 0) (#43)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 12:24:31 PM EST
    "it is not completely impossible that Roman Polanski could choose to go finally to explain himself in the United States where the arguments in his favor exist," he said.
    I would love to hear Polanski's "arguments in his favor."

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    I assume this refers to allegations (none / 0) (#44)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 12:26:47 PM EST
    judge and DDA communicated about sentencing options outside presence of defense counsel.  

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    Ah, I see. (none / 0) (#47)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 12:41:36 PM EST
    And nothing creative like in a line from a movie, who's name I can't remember, when the step-father character was confronted for sleeping with his under-age step-daughter: "Hey, she was willing. It got be be where she was tripping me and beating me to the floor."

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    Google turns up Cuckoo's Nest. (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 12:45:24 PM EST
    Ah yes, the Jack Nicholson character. (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 12:52:43 PM EST
    How ironic...

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    Chinatown (none / 0) (#51)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 02:12:30 PM EST
    had a sexual-exploitation-of-the-vulnerable motif, too.

    Noah Cross the industrialist and his daughter.

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    But we can't accredit Cuckoo's Nest to (none / 0) (#52)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 02:21:10 PM EST
    Polanski.

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    Synchronicity (none / 0) (#53)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 02:33:29 PM EST
    six-degrees-from-the-decadent-aristocrat.

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    But another Polanski lawyer says not- (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 02:09:09 PM EST
    he'll fight extradition.  See AP.  

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