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Posted on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:13:09 AM EST
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I got nuthin right now.

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    Have you finished your 10 page paper (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Edger on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:30:55 AM EST
    since Frontline's Afghanistan report, yet?

    Poor BTD... (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:34:08 AM EST
    you're like the 4th or 5th commenter I've seen ask that question Edger...we're more demanding than Mr. Spacely..."Jetson! Where is my 10 page Afghanistan report!"

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    Ha... (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Addison on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:35:35 AM EST
    When it arrives it will be triple-spaced, size 16 Arial, with 2 inch margins.

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    Heh! (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:39:56 AM EST
    Slack Tent Democrat? ;-)

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    Don't make me call your mom! (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by oldpro on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:13:37 AM EST
    Get back to work...

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    I'm thinking all this pressure will result (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:19:08 AM EST
    in no paper being posted.  Example:  blogger meet-up w/former Pres. Clinton.

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    If I were him... (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:53:28 AM EST
    I'd tell y'all to take a hike after all this nagging!

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    Exactly. (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:00:59 PM EST


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    Nah...tent has too much pride (none / 0) (#97)
    by oldpro on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:07:48 PM EST
    to stake a claim and then abandon it.

    He'll produce, come Hell or high water.

    I'd bet the farm on it.

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    Smart bet... (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:18:23 PM EST
    I'm sure...I'm saying if I were him I'd tell y'all to talk a walk:)  

    The nag customers always get put straight to the bottom on my to-do pile, they must love to nag and I don't want to deprive tham of any joy:)...the good customers who realize certain requests take time get bumped to the top o' the pile.

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    Well, some people require (none / 0) (#134)
    by oldpro on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 03:45:19 PM EST
    more nagging than others!  I'll check with your mom...

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    She'll tell ya oldpro... (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 05:00:53 PM EST
    usually you only gotta tell me once...nag and I shut down on ya.

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    This is pretty funny... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:31:33 AM EST
    guy finds a missile launcher on his property and has a helluva time trying to return it.  Link

    Thank the sun god he wasn't an arab.

    I hear Obama (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:36:36 AM EST
    is up for the Heisman Trophy if he watches enough football this weekend.

    He already won "Cover of the Year." (none / 0) (#13)
    by Addison on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:45:12 AM EST


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    about baloon boy (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:40:07 AM EST
    I went home sick yesterday, not swine flu but leaf mold allergies, and I was watching The Ed Show.

    Arianna had one of her lucid moments.  she went off of Ed.  "why are you talking about this BS with so many things going on in the world".  Ed schooled her on the concept of "breaking news"

    it was great.

    The balloon boy (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:33:53 AM EST
    stuff was, I have to admit, absolutely riveting while it was going on.  The people on CNN (Rick Sanchez) and MSNBC (Shuster and Hall) at that hour drive me nuts, so I switched to Shep Smith on Fox, who was terrific-- horrified, puzzled, refusing to report rumors he was getting in, speculating a lot but emphasizing every other sentence, "We don't know. We don't know anything!"

    But once the ballon went down and the boy wasn't on it, thank God, there really wasn't enough story left to justify anything more than a brief update when they found him.  The little kid is as cute as a button, the dad is unhinged.  OK.  Nothing more to see here worth the airtime.

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    ok (none / 0) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:17:27 AM EST
    time to leave the poor kid alone

    Balloon Boy Vomits During Live Interview on Today Show

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    must be (none / 0) (#95)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:01:15 PM EST
    goin around

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    I frequently vomit (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:18:25 PM EST
    while watching the Today Show. Does that ocunt?

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    well (none / 0) (#56)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:18:35 AM EST
    not being a "balooninst" I was still pretty sure the kid was not inside the helium filled baloon.
    he would have been dead right?
    and there was no box or basket.


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    That's what I thought (none / 0) (#63)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:48:14 AM EST
    And that realization slowly dawned on most of the TV folks I saw, too.  But it took a while to figure out what kind of balloon it was, etc., and since the parents weren't talking to media, nobody really knew much about how it was constructed or whether it was intended to be ridden or even whether the thing had been completed.  It wasn't even clear for a long time how big it was.

    Trying to puzzle all that out, plus the horror of imagining a small child in that thing as it careened around, was a big part of what made it such a compelling story as it was going on.

    Sure beat the heck out of yet another police chase.

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    There was a box look again (none / 0) (#85)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:18:43 PM EST


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    if you mean (none / 0) (#106)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:42:47 PM EST
    that sort of circular shape on the bottom I thought that was part of the balloon not a basket.


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    Well, I thought it was AH (none / 0) (#71)
    by brodie on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:53:30 AM EST
    who schooled Ed on the importance of covering real news as opposed to rambling on endlessly with sensationalist tabloid stuff that should be covered in the scrawl at the bottom of the screen.  And Arianna of HuffPo is something of an expert on tabloid.

    Schultz looked defensive and unpersuasive as he tried to explain that after all the story of the boy being found safe at home had just broken "15 or 20 minutes ago" and that there were people "just tuning in" who needed to be updated.

    Another embarrassing day for alleged serious news outlets like Msnbc and CNN, but nothing that unusual.  

    Ed should have instead spent the time schooling Arianna on the stupidity of her call for Biden to resign in protest over Obama's still unannounced Afghanistan policy.

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    it was funny that Tweety did not (none / 0) (#72)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:55:43 AM EST
    show up for the second airing of his show.
    I can just hear him.  "Im not doing that crap.  I am a serious journalist"

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    Except we know Tweety is (none / 0) (#88)
    by brodie on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:30:47 PM EST
    not a serious journalist.  Not a serious political pundit, not a serious political author, not a serious anything except perhaps a serious apple-polishing GE employee serious about maintaining the flow of those serious paychecks from his corporate masters.

    Tweety does as he's told by management and has little to complain about, least of all the occasional Balloon Boy story that impedes on his rerun hour at 7.  
     

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    I think that's exactly what Ed did do re M&S (none / 0) (#79)
    by DFLer on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:03:54 PM EST
    spent the time schooling Arianna on the stupidity of her call for Biden to resign in protest over Obama's still unannounced Afghanistan policy.


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    Dunno what "M&S" refers to, (none / 0) (#90)
    by brodie on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:42:00 PM EST
    but if Ed eventually got around to working over Arianna about Biden stepping down, more power to him.

    Though I think she actually made a good point about the absurdity of admin war advisors in the past never publicly airing their differences until many yrs later, but in Biden's case he apparently isn't being isolated and cast out by the president (unlike what LBJ did to most VN detractors who spoke out, including his VP), and so can continue to offer a strong voice of dissent and possibly move the debate closer to his position.


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    M&S = "Moose and Squirrel" (none / 0) (#150)
    by DFLer on Sat Oct 17, 2009 at 10:11:59 AM EST
    my affectionate sobriquet for Arianna.


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    Remember how HC was "too polarizing,"... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Yman on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 09:55:48 AM EST
    .... while Obama was going to bring aboard all the "reasonable" Republicans so we could all take a ride on the post-partisan, unity unicorn?

    Turns out, he's already more polarizing than Hillary Clinton.

    Go figure.

    This is of course... (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Addison on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:08:05 AM EST
    ...in large measure due to the bizarre invisibility of our Secretary of State in media coverage.

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    Imagine how polarizing he would be (5.00 / 9) (#29)
    by Cream City on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:11:20 AM EST
    if he really had pushed hard for health care reform, for ending our wars, etc.

    I do not approve of Obama's approach to his presidency, either -- but let's be fair:  No Dem would get a good rating from GOP voters.

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    Exactly (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by sj on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:36:12 AM EST
    Which is why the whole "but she's so polarizing!!"  bit was ridiculous from the beginning.

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    More interesting is criticism of Obama (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by Cream City on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:45:31 AM EST
    from fanboy Eugene Robinson, if it's a sign that people who actually voted for Obama could be turned on what was a polarizing issue against the GOP, the treatment of New Orleans:

    I covered a Senate subcommittee hearing in New Orleans on the lagging reconstruction effort. I watched as a young senator who was thought to be considering a presidential run -- that would be Barack Obama -- used his Harvard Law skills to eviscerate Bush-era officials for not doing enough to rebuild and revive the Gulf Coast region.

    So it was strange and disheartening that Obama would wait nine months to make his first visit to New Orleans as president. It was stunning that he would spend only a few hours on the ground and that he wouldn't set foot in Mississippi or Alabama at all. But worst of all was the way he seemed to dismiss the idea that his administration could and should be doing much more. . . .

    New Orleans still doesn't have an operational full-service hospital. And an adequate flood barrier is still not in place.  "I wish I could just write a check," Obama said.

    If that was his message, he should have stayed home. We now know that our government can make hundreds of billions of dollars available to irresponsible Wall Street institutions within a matter of days, if necessary. We can open up the floodgates of credit to too-big-to-fail banks at the stroke of a pen. But when it comes to New Orleans and the Gulf Coast, well, these things take time. . . .

    Shorter Eugene Robinson:  Obama is not doing a heckuva job and might as well have stayed in the plane for a flyover a la Bush.

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    Well, Mr. Robinson, (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by scribe on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:02:01 AM EST
    welcome to the displeased with the slow movement of the changey Change and the dissolution of Hope into more disappointment. There's plenty of room in this club.

    Not that it wasn't predicted....

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    Eugene (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:13:43 AM EST
    Mississippi and Alabama didn't vote for Obama - that's why he didn't visit there - DUH!

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    I get it (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Spamlet on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:59:07 AM EST
    "I wish I could just write a check," Obama said.

    New Orleans doesn't need the president. New Orleans just needs the president's check.

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    Shorter (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:38:03 AM EST
    What is the wonderful job Obama is doing??

    And he spent four whole hours?? Wow. I am sure he solved all the problems ever made.....

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    I hope he had the good sense not to (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:51:40 AM EST
    make a speech in Jackson Sq.

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    No, of course not, .... (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Yman on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:58:20 AM EST
    ... and I can understand why some Obama supporters used this as a line of attack against her, but a lot of them actually bought the whole post-partisan, unity schtick.

    Guess it's hard to ride that pony when the target's on your back ....

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    Even Medea Benjamin (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Spamlet on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:57:38 AM EST
    of Code Pink can't quite step away from Teh Hope. Benjamin on Barack Obama's decision to hide from the great unwashed during his visit yesterday to San Francisco:

    "It would have been good for the president to hear from the Bay Area, and it would have helped to release his inner progressive," she said. "We know it's there somewhere. You just have to dig deep these days."
    And speaking of mandates... (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:04:17 PM EST
    a judge in NY just hit the brakes on the swine flu vaccine mandate for healthcare workers in NY...good ruling, imo.  Link

    A young child just died here of swine flu. (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:06:04 PM EST
    No preexisting conditions.

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    Swine flu... (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:43:22 PM EST
    linked to 11 more child deaths this week.

    86 children have died since the new swine flu arose last spring.

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    And one locally. (none / 0) (#108)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:46:59 PM EST
    Our count is one healthy pregnant woman and one teen dead of complications of H1N1.

    Our school district absenteeism peaked at 39% in one elementary school, with current averages at just under 25% which is when they consider closing schools.  The emails have been no nonsense, with the last one saying that closing schools hasn't been proved to lower the transmission rates.  They will close schools if they lack staff.

    Heck, once you have over a third of the children out sick, the odds are good that they've already passed the bug on to most of the remaining children.  If my kids aren't sick next week, then we've dodged this round.

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    Pima County AZ offices are threatening (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:55:04 PM EST
    employees with disciplinary action up to and including termination if they come to work sick.

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    shut up woman (1.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:06:46 PM EST
    get on my horse

    sorry
    no excuse except its friday.

    Totally inappropriate (none / 0) (#139)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 04:09:38 PM EST
    for this site!

    Since you couldn't show the courtesy of telling people what that link goes to, I will:

    PORNOGRAPHIC CARTOON

    Disgusting, Capt Howdy!

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    btw (none / 0) (#140)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 04:13:52 PM EST
    its a (cartoonishly) pornographic cartoon.


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    Do I have to be the Phillies booster? (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:17:28 AM EST
    Heck, I don't even care about that crap!

    Well, anyway, the NYT has Corzine ahead (PDF).

    Hmmm..... (none / 0) (#6)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:36:01 AM EST
    White House helped create corporate-backed health care campaign.

    Disturbing (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Stellaaa on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:10:20 AM EST
    yet, it will be praised as a "wicked" political move, a clever maneuver to create coalitions.  

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    The mystery is banal, the kabuki bores... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Addison on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:43:51 AM EST
    So says Politico, so I guess they "win the morning." And guess what else, according to TPM's sources Harry Reid is the public options very best friend in the world! Who knew?

    The "behind the scenes" articles are kind of tedious. At this point who cares and what does it profit us to speculate? There's enough on the surface to discuss about how boatloads of Democrats (Reid, Obama, etc.) are exceptionally disappointing on HCR and how others (CPC) are on the cusp of achieving real power. This is all leaving out the bizarre deference to "President" Snowe.

    Cloakroom antics are superfluous to the out-and-about facts at this point. That's my opinion, anyway.

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    I disagree (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:49:49 AM EST
    More stuff like this should be told in the MSM, and more people should be made aware of how we got here.  So next time a politician says "Oh, I will have the most transparent administration in history," or "Lobbyists won't have influence in my administration," or "I'm working for the American people and not big money interests," then more people will not vote like sheep.  

    I say pull the curtain back and let us see more of the process. Maybe these clowns will actually be held accountable for their actions.

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    Barack Obama's actions are what matter... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Addison on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:58:22 AM EST
    ...we can see that with the Harry Reid counterpoint story.

    These sort of stories don't mean anything at this point. Barack Obama's verbalizations on health care reform are enough to question his role or his position on the topic, it doesn't need some Politico "win the morning" piece in addition. Likewise, Harry Reid's role in HCR is apparent to anyone with eyes, and all the "behind the scenes" TPM stories shouldn't sway people.

    The truth is obvious, and the more people rely on stories about what's "really going on" rather than just trusting their lying eyes, the more they'll be swayed by ridiculous, "no, I was on your side the whole time!" stories such as TPM's Reid one.

    Who has spoken up in favor of the public option, who hasn't? Who has said they'll accept Snowe's or Baucus' plan, and who has said they will not. Who appears engaged in the creation good policy, who does not. It's easy stuff to simply see outright, and "pulling the curtain back" is paradoxically obfuscatory.

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    It seems paradoxically obfuscatory (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Cream City on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 09:33:48 AM EST
    that you actually are saying the same thing as is jbindc, but you just trust that most of the public also sees it.  I cannot imagine why you would think so.

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    Phrase of the year (none / 0) (#46)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:46:18 AM EST
    "paradoxically obfuscatory"

    Ten points for you!

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    The points are Addison's (none / 0) (#74)
    by Cream City on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:57:40 AM EST
    as the phrase is hers.  I just found it fun. :-)

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    Have to agree with jbindc (none / 0) (#64)
    by vicndabx on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:48:16 AM EST
    no doubt you're an educator of some sort.....

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    Why, yes. And as a teacher (none / 0) (#68)
    by Cream City on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:52:14 AM EST
    my advice is always to read closely.  Then you would see it was not my phrase but Addison's.

    Actually, as a teacher, I always recommend to my students that they avoid obfuscatory words such as obfuscatory, as if the intent is communication, shorter words that say the same thing are better.

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    I'm still trying to figure out (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:05:24 PM EST
    how to pronounce obfuscatory. OBfuscatory or obFUScatory? Probably obFUScatory...

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    pronounce it... (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by CST on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:07:11 PM EST
    wth does it mean?

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    Smoke and mirrors. (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:38:10 PM EST
    Deliberately confusing or distorting with intent to deceive or conceal.

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    Don't get greedy (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by MKS on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 03:12:53 PM EST
    I'd settle for recommending that your students read.  The carefully part....well...can you get them to do that?

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    Ha. No, I cannot really (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by Cream City on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 03:37:31 PM EST
    get students to do what they do not want to do.  I cannot get some to come to class much or at all.  But then, less work for me, and I get paid the same.  (When I put it that way, it's interesting to see the message click with the consumerists among them, and then see at least their attendance improve to get their money's worth out of me.:-)

    I only can tell and show them why it is important to read carefully -- and then reward them for doing so.  We just have come out of the first several weeks in courses that for some have meant the first time that they are reading tough stuff -- college-level texts, primary sources, etc.  So it is just now that I am seeing some get good at reading carefully, and the difference it makes.

    And especially when they start to think about the material rather than just expect rote education, and they offer insights into readings that did not occur to me -- something that they see from synthesizing from other readings, other courses, etc.  They can be so smart.  Extra points! when a student makes a teacher stop to make notes from what they say to add to my lectures next time. :-)

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    Damn... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:40:22 AM EST
    80% APR from First Premier Bank...and back east they're trying Gotti Jr. again...are we sure we've got this right?

    Capitalism (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by eric on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:57:15 AM EST
    plain old unfettered capitalism.  Usury laws are basically socialism.

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    Ya know what... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 09:00:24 AM EST
    I'll take that deal, as long as they free the market up for the rest of us...First Premier can lend at worse rates than the Gambinos, and I can open a grow-room/coffee-shop/gaming hall in my basement.

    But one without the other is just a rig-job...as we're all well aware.

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    Did the bank (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 09:09:57 AM EST
    make you an offer you can't refuse??

    ;-)

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:18:06 AM EST
    pay a 6 buck vig or you can't get your paycheck cashed...even though its the bank my company has their accounts in.  

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    Have you considered (none / 0) (#33)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:22:36 AM EST
    opening an account just to have your pay deposited, then withdraw all but a penny on payday? Use a savings account if you can't find a bank with free checking :)

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    Appreciate the advice... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:28:00 AM EST
    but I won't sully my name by putting it on a bank account with these cretins...I'll pay the check-cashing guy's fee...that money stays in the community at least and supports a small-business that actually (shocker!) tries to serve their customers instead of screwing them.

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    I pay two bucks a hundred here (none / 0) (#36)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:33:25 AM EST
    but I don't have to go to the bank.

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    And not having... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:44:01 AM EST
    to go to the bank is priceless!

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    You might try a credit union. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:44:35 AM EST
    They are usually locally owned and community operated.

    We have our mortgage with our local credit union, and one of the things that appealed to us was that they do not sell their mortgages - they stay with the credit union.  And, we were able to lower our interest rate by calling and asking them for it - and then signing a few documents; it didn't cost a dime to do, we lowered the rate and cut the term.  They no longer do this with a phone call, but we're glad we were able to take advantage of it when they did.

    We got a car loan through them, too, and got a break on the interest rate because of their relationship with local car dealers.

    Do they have 1,000 branches?  No.  Are they open at all hours of the day and night?  Nope.  But they pay interest with no minimum balances, and have a co-op arrangement with another bank so it doesn't cost anything to use the other bank's ATM's.

    You might think about looking into it.

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    Thanks Anne... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:50:46 AM EST
    my brother seems very pleased with the postal workers credit union he uses for banking...but I'm a cash and carry guy and I don't see that changing anytime soon...what I really need is to get paid in cash and I'd be golden.

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    Nothing wrong with cash, kdog! (none / 0) (#52)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:10:54 AM EST
    We paid off the credit cards a while ago, and now do not buy stuff we can't pay cash for; it's amazing how good it feels to know you actually own what you buy.

    We decided it was a great way to prepare for the day when we're both retired - assuming the economy ever makes that possible - and I've been on kind of a getting-rid-of-stuff campaign, as opposed to actively acquiring more and more of it.  There's nothing like having to go through a lifetime of stuff one's relatives have accumulated to make you want to go home and start sorting into piles: stuff for donation, stuff to parcel out to kids, stuff to take to the dump.

    "Simplify" is my new goal!

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    Welcome aboard... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:29:51 AM EST
    the 'pay as you go' train Anne and fam!  It's quite roomy:)

    My old man taught me a long time ago..."if ya can't afford it right now, ya don't need it right now."  It's served me well.  

    Though I hear if everybody lived like this our economy wouldn't function...you figure it out cuz its beyond me:)

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    All us good poker players (none / 0) (#86)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:20:09 PM EST
    know:

    "Cash talks and BS walks."


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    Take this to the bank: (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by KeysDan on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:48:13 AM EST
    Bowing to pressure from community bankers, the House Financial Services Committee approved an exemption for more than 8,000 of the nation's 8,200 banks (leaving just the 200 big banks) from oversight by the new agency created to protect consumers from abusive or deceptive loan practices. Chairman Barney Frank, saw it as necessary to win support from the committee's conservative Democrats. Apparently, these Democrats believe the smaller banks were not engaged to the same extent in the worst abuses and, besides,  the banks were upset by the disruptions that these pesky examinations would entail. (NYTimes).

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    The state of Louisianna (none / 0) (#12)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:44:58 AM EST
    There's an article on the MSNBC site about an interracial couple being denied a marriage license in Louisianna. The juctice of the peace was concerned about their future children!

    We talked a little about it yesterday... (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:51:42 AM EST
    my bro-in-law emailed me saying it reads like an SNL skit.  Peep these quotes from the injustice of the peace.

    "I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."

    What an enlightened 21st Century Man...he even lets 'em use the bathroom!

    "I try to treat everyone equally"

    Umm...try harder bro!

    And the bride to be is studying for a matsers in minority politics. You can't make this sh*t up...it's comedy gold!  Better to laugh than to cry right?

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    Yep (none / 0) (#19)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 09:01:34 AM EST
    The scariest part of it is that the guy probably has set himself up great in the political scene in LA. He'll win in a landslide election.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 09:17:12 AM EST
    That's why they elected Jindal....have a black mayor of New Orleans...just had a female Governor...

    The guy's a nut but don't let that stop you from smearing the rest of the state...

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    Justices of the peace are elected (none / 0) (#23)
    by Cream City on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 09:34:49 AM EST
    in some states?

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    My dad was elected JoP (none / 0) (#31)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:19:31 AM EST
    in a small northern MN town back in the late 40's. In some states Notary Public's can perform marriage ceremonies.


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    this guy is my hero (none / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 09:47:35 AM EST
    now you can buy a 700 dollar bladeless fan to go with your 700 dollar  bagless vacuum cleaner.

    I crush hard on Mr Dyson (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by Ellie on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:45:34 AM EST
    He sits around doing thinking up stuff I really want and that work. The only feature lacking from the G-Force was self-propulsion (like the Roomba, which isn't so good around table legs, plus, we had a mysterious cat disappearance between acquisition and Sis taking the machine off our hands.)

    We put our heads together and came up with The Goomba, which gets some Made Guy in Witness Protection to do our floors with a Dyson in exchange for us not ratting him out to that organization that doesn't exist.

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    I want (none / 0) (#67)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:51:41 AM EST
    a Goomba

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    In theory the Goomba(TM) would be amazingly quiet! (none / 0) (#78)
    by Ellie on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:03:16 PM EST
    Wouldn't use much power or eat cats, but run quite nicely on some foccaccia and gabbagool. (Turbo it with a coupla slices of provo, bit of babbarool?)

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    but yeah (none / 0) (#69)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:52:43 AM EST
    the guy is great.  with that pithy british accent he could sell eskimos snow.


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    What a scam (none / 0) (#25)
    by eric on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 09:54:46 AM EST


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    Well, the price is too high (none / 0) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:35:23 AM EST
    but it appears to work.

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    When I was in the UK this summer (none / 0) (#84)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:08:17 PM EST
    there was one public restroom is a train station someplace, possibly Edinburgh, with Dyson hand dryers instead of the traditional loud airblower things. They were kind of like toasters - you stuck your hands in between these two plates of heat, with a little airflow. Nice! Dried the hands a lot better. I'm sure they were pricier than the normal ones.

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    speaking of hand dryers (none / 0) (#87)
    by CST on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:21:50 PM EST
    I love the new super-powered ones they have in a lot of places these days.  They dry your hands so much faster, and it's kinda cool to see the skin on your hands shake.

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    One of the manufacturers... (none / 0) (#92)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:51:10 PM EST
    my company reps makes those...they do dry hands infinitely better than the old-style, which I always found rather useless and ended up drying my hands with my shirt.

    Given the choice I want my paper towels...still the best, if not enviromentally friendly.

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    fail (none / 0) (#93)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:58:24 PM EST
    blog

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    According to Sheldon! (none / 0) (#125)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:54:03 PM EST
    On "The Big Bang Theory" blower are  incubators spewing bacteria! And Sheldon should know!

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    I used to (none / 0) (#94)
    by CST on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:59:43 PM EST
    like paper towels better, since you're right, the old ones worked about as well as shaking your hands at the air.

    I kinda like the lack of mess now though.  And I think they actually take less work than paper towels.  Not that paper towels take much work...

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    Before our time... (none / 0) (#96)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:07:35 PM EST
    they had those loop cloth towel thingies with a crank ...thats probably the most enviromentally friendly of the bunch, but I guess they grossed out all the germophobes.

    This chinese restaurant I go to sometimes still has one of those cloth towel thingies....what a relic!

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    speaking as a functioning (none / 0) (#99)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:16:39 PM EST
    germophobe I can say categorically, yes.  they were totally gross.

    have you noticed an absence of cats around this place?

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    mostly because (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:22:23 PM EST
    if memory serves 99% of the time there was just the filthy end of the thing that had been hanging there for a year.

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    Cue public restroom rant.... (none / 0) (#107)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:43:47 PM EST
    we sell all the sensor operated sh*t...sensor faucets and sensor flush valves.  Supposed to save all this water and be more sanitary...what a crock.  First, you gotta hope the sensor and solenoid are functional otherwise ya got no water at all...I've been in restrooms where not one faucet worked...thats not sanitary.  Nothing electronic can match the dependability of a mechanically operated faucet/flush valve.  Second, between all the phantom operation and continuous run because of faulty electronics I'm convinced the newfangled sh*t wastes more precious potable water than it saves.

    Having seen all this sh*t workin in the biz, my advise to all commercial property owners is design the bathrooms the old-school way w/ mechanical hand-operated fixtures.  Cheaper, less headaches, happier customers...so what you have to touch something, at least you know the sh*t is gonna work when you need to flush/wash.

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    strongly agree (none / 0) (#110)
    by CST on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:53:15 PM EST
    I hate auto faucets.  Also auto toilets, since they inevitably don't work at first, you flush and then they flush, and you waste water.  Or they flush while you are sitting and you get sprayed.

    You can flush a toilet with your shoe, and turn on a faucet with your shirt if you are really concerned about touching stuff.

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    Manual flush valves... (none / 0) (#116)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:07:18 PM EST
    are designed to withstand the foot-flush kick...they talked about it at product training!

    I've seen manual flush valves still working after 50 years with minimal maintenance...no electronic will ever say that...thats probably why the manufacturers are pushing the sensor sh*t so hard, replacement part sales....solenoids and sensors ain't cheap, handle seal repair kits are.

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    I was just at a Company... (none / 0) (#117)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:16:38 PM EST
    ...where the auto soap dispenser was positioned in such a way that every time your hands got near the faucet, it squirted out a dose of soap.  Talk about wasteful--and messy.

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    FTR (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:22:04 PM EST
    I put automatic anything in a bathroom right up there with those automatic voice things you have to go through when you call a utility company.


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    The one place (5.00 / 2) (#119)
    by CST on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:26:31 PM EST
    I will say auto voices are good - on the train.  The robotic voice is loud and clear, if sometimes wrong.  I don't know what it is about train employees, but whenever they speak over the loudspeaker, they are completely incoherent.  Especially when they have a long and "important" announcement to make.  Everyone just stands there with the "what the hell did they just say" look on their faces.

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    Sounds like... (none / 0) (#120)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:37:25 PM EST
    the plumber f*cked up the rough-in dimensions there...or the auto-soap dispenser manufacturer didn't specify a min. distance from the spout.

    I've seen jobs where all the tile had to be ripped off a finished wall so the plumber could fix sensor gang-box rough-ins off by a couple inches...another issue with these "progressive" fixtures.  More like regressive:)

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    With two young boys, (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 03:02:04 PM EST
    and the resulting mess of a bathroom sink/counter/faucets/etc, I had been thinking getting the auto on/off faucets, but you are talking me out of it.

    Now I'm thinking of foot-operated on/off. A lever or something that has a spring so when your foot comes off it the faucet turns off, or something like that...

    Somebody must sell something like that, no?

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    For sure... (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 04:58:08 PM EST
    they're called foot pedal valves, usually used in hospitals/labs before they started going sensor (which I think is insane btw)...you can run tempered water from a thermostatic mixing valve to a single foot pedal valve, but you'll lose temp. control at point of use.  They have two pedal hot/cold valves too, but I don't think thats a good fit, not sure how well they mix for a residential app.  

    I would need a plumber for a job like that, might have to repipe, I don't know how handy you are....or at least run it by somebody, might be pitfalls I'm not skilled to see. Fabian's spot on about a source, forget the chains and look up a local wholesale plumbing supply distributor....they sell ones-ies to the general public.

    Maybe look into metering faucets as well...the ones where you press the push-button and water runs for a certain gpm and shuts off.  Used in a lot of schools to prevent kids leaving the water running:)

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    Look up your (none / 0) (#137)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 03:55:32 PM EST
    local plumbing supplier.  Ours is The Waterworks - they sell retail and wholesale.  When I inquired at Lowes about who sells/installs foot operated sinks (loved them at the hospital!), they told me "Not us." and referred me to Waterworks.

    I'd adore a foot operated sink for my kitchen - ever wanted to turn the water on or off while your hands are full?

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    Thanks Fabian! (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 04:19:23 PM EST


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    No... (none / 0) (#102)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:21:16 PM EST
    and I don't wanna notice anything because their food is so f*ckin' awesome I don't care where the "beef" comes from.

    I'm kinda surprised the health department doesn't have a problem with it though.

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    Well I only heard about balloon boy as I was (none / 0) (#32)
    by BobTinKY on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:20:51 AM EST
    driving home listening to NPR.  I missed what must have been the excruciating cable coverage.

    That said, the news he was found OK was the best news I've heard all week.  The thought of a young child terrified  3000 ft. up in the air and falling was too awful to contemplate.  

    Last I heard it was a scam (none / 0) (#34)
    by Stellaaa on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:24:53 AM EST
    Apparently, daddy told him to hide in the attic and the kids spilled the beans on Blitzer interview.  

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    Oh for heavens sake (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:42:49 AM EST
    the kid didn't spill anything and...

    he's six years old. Leave him alone.

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    Sorry, I don't buy it (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Stellaaa on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:16:01 PM EST
    the media got punked, not hard to do.  

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    Well...I'm beginning to have my (none / 0) (#38)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:34:50 AM EST
    doubts, but, what I read was that during the Blitzer interview, the Dad asked the kid, "why did you hide in the attic?"  The kid kind of hemmed and hawed a little and then said, "we did it for the show," and then went on to say a few more things.  The Dad later said that his son was referring to the re-creation that the news media had asked them to do.  I have not heard whether the media actually asked them to do that, but I don't think it's implausible, nor do I doubt that the whole thing would have confused a 6-yr old.  

    I also don't think that if you're running a scam on the media, you'd depend on a 6 yr old to keep his mouth shut.

    So, I don't know.  If this was a stunt, shame on this family; if it wasn't, thank goodness it turned out the way it did.

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    See, I hear it reported (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:44:41 AM EST
    That it was Blitzer who asked him why he hid in the attic and didn't respond when his parents called him and then he said:

    "You guys said that we did this for the show."

    Link

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    And the dad (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:45:27 AM EST
    allegedly called KUSA to get their helicopter up, ensuring it would be all over TV.

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    There's a clip at CNN, I believe, (none / 0) (#51)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:04:23 AM EST
    where you can watch that segment for yourself.

    I don't think the kid could hear Blitzer - the dad had to relay the question to the kid.  It didn't appear to me that the dad made any attempt to prompt the kid or word the question in a way that would suggest to the kid what he should say.

    The audio isn't great, but it didn't sound to me like the kid said "you guys said that we did this for the show."

    And I know it wasn't you who made the comment about the helicopter, but isn't that kind of a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't kind of thing?  Regardless of whether it was a stunt or for real, wouldn't a helicopter make sense?  And if it's for real, how do you answer the inevitable questions of why you didn't ask for everything you could think of to help find your kid?

    Like I said, if it was a stunt, shame on them; if it wasn't, thank goodness it didn't end in tragedy.

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    Don't think so (none / 0) (#40)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 10:42:29 AM EST
    The kid -- 6 years old, let's remember -- said something ambiguous about "doing this for a show," but this family has been on reality TV shows and done multiple "IReports" for CNN his entire life.  The balloon itself was undoubtedly constructed with some sort of TV thing in mind.  As far as the kids knows, all of life is a show of one kind or another.

    Not much of a publicity stunt if you hide from the media the whole time it's going on, either, as this family did.

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    Not another law! (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 11:49:53 AM EST
    Seems the darn newfangled GPS devices the non-luddite truck drivers are using are leading them to crash into low clearance overpasses at higher rates...here comes the Gov proposing a mandate for an expensive "advanced" GPS device.  And of course, increased penalties for truckers. Link

    I got a better idea...how about going back to maps and reading the damn road signs? H.A.L. can't be trusted...he's always gonna blame "human error".

    Don't blame the GPS (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:35:04 PM EST
    Blame the fools who trust technology - which is only as good as the humans who create it.

    Ditto for drivers of 4WD vehicles who think that the laws of physics somehow don't apply to them because their ride is fancier than mine.

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    True enough... (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:51:15 PM EST
    my buddy has a GPS and insists on using it even though I know where we are going...when it comes to the greater NYC area it seems to always take you the long way.  

    Some friend eh?  Trusting H.A.L. over me:)

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    Odd that. (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:57:37 PM EST
    I don't live in a dense metropolis, but I know what roads to take and which to avoid depending on time, day, Buckeye game and so on.  A city is a live thing, something that a GPS can't take into account.

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#114)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:03:39 PM EST
    I think my friend has to justify to himself paying for the gadget, he bought it he's gonna use it!...though even my luddite-arse must admit its pretty nifty when your out in an unfamilar locale.  I'd never buy one though...the calculator killed basic math skills, the GPS is gonna kill our sense of direction...I won't be party to it:)

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    My wife has a GPS, I can't stand the thing. (none / 0) (#130)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 03:07:08 PM EST
    I'll take a map, some common sense, and the ability to think, over slavishly following "turn left here" any day...

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    I prefer to use my GPS (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by sj on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 04:29:29 PM EST
    to my (good) friends directions more than half the time.  In fact, when I take his directions I am doing it out of friendship not trust.  I like to know in advance what the next step is, right turn in 3 blocks?  or a mile?  or 10?  His intructions are just something like "this lane is fine" until about a half block before I need to turn.

    And he can only talk about the next step.  I feel like I'm bumbling about with a blindfold on and holding on to his arm for assistance.  And don't get me started on his "shortcuts".

    But mine is named KITT, not H.A.L., so it's probably fine :)

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    I became a better navigator (none / 0) (#148)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 07:11:29 PM EST
    after taking a city boy driving in the country, in the dark.  I mean, I knew where the road was, in the dark, going 55.  He was relying on my directions and "Turn here! Now!" just as the meager street sign came into view was not confidence building.

    On the plus side, there was no cross traffic to worry about - just ditches and gravel.  

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    Crime news: NY state legislator accused (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:00:02 PM EST
    of assault w/a broken glass on female was acquitted.  link

    I think I'm in love.... (none / 0) (#89)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 12:34:50 PM EST
    This left me speechless...what an amazing woman.

    "Jail is no place for that boy. His going to jail wouldn't help me. My son can't come back."
    Me too (none / 0) (#121)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:44:25 PM EST
    That's truely amazing grace.

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    Julia Butterfly Hill for President (none / 0) (#122)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:47:30 PM EST
    after hearing here speak and field questions beautifully the other night, I'd take her any day of the week over those mealy-mouthed, patronage system products foisted on us in the primaries.

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    None of us really know... (none / 0) (#123)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:48:20 PM EST
    what we're made of till we're put to the test...Myra Purcell passed with high-flying colors.

    May she find some of the peace she so richly deserves.

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    Amen (none / 0) (#126)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:54:08 PM EST
    Btw, The Jets are goin' down this weekend. Possibly. Or, if not here, than in some paralell universe somewhere. Bet on it.

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    Your guys always play us... (none / 0) (#129)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 03:02:32 PM EST
    tough no matter how bad you're running, but I think you're catching us at a bad time bro...Gang Green is primed to bounce back from the Miami debacle. Bart Scott wants blood.

    Pretty big line too, 9.5...I'd lay the wood:)

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    I know it (none / 0) (#132)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 03:15:01 PM EST
    and Im afraid to watch, to be quite honest. The Bills have been looking like they're in a shell shocked daze -- I thnk Edwards really is shell shocked -- plus they're missing so many starters at this point, I've lost count. Two more went down last week. It could get ugly, but it's a chance for them Jets to get a nice back-on-the-winning-track confidence boost.

    Im really gonna be hard pressed to tune in.

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    All that being said.... (none / 0) (#143)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 04:36:02 PM EST
    it will probably be Bills 10 Jets 7 at the end of the 3rd quarter...its just how it seems to always go:)

    And if not, you can always tune in to see if the players revolt on Jauron and stage a walkout.

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    I read that... (none / 0) (#149)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:12:11 PM EST
    ...that the Bills are starting three rookies on the offensive line this week.  If that's indeed the case, I think the Jets pound Trent like a nice pork tenderloin.  

    They might well be hard-pressed to match their offensive output of last week.

     

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    I love her too, but (none / 0) (#135)
    by lentinel on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 03:45:32 PM EST
    she said this about her son's killer:

    "I know that boy doesn't feel anything," she said. "He thinks it's like a video game".

    So he will serve 10 years for a murder that he didn't even feel.

    What I am thinking about is what he might do when he is released.
    Will he learn how to feel in prison? Not bloody likely.

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    It was an argument. (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 03:48:54 PM EST
    I wonder how many arguments it took before he took someone's life, and how many more before he does it again.

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    Miracles do happen (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 03:56:47 PM EST
    though not often enough.

    When people feel too much in a situation in which they feel powerless, they switch off gradually over time till eventually they're completely off.
    I dont buy this fascistic, Bell Curve - born bad sh*t.

    Maybe the Prison Ashram program or something will reach him. One can only hope -- or maybe even right a letter, or visit.

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    And one could happen here... (none / 0) (#144)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 04:37:58 PM EST
    the article said the young man wants to sit down and talk to this fine woman...if anyone can make him see, my money is on her.

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    NO INDICATION OF HOAX in Balloon (none / 0) (#113)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 01:58:36 PM EST
    incident according to Sheriff's office investigation.

    I loved one of this morning's news clips...Natalie something saying "millions of people believing a little boy was in the balloon"...HAHAHAHAHA...wonder where they got such a silly idea....from the MEDIA, maybe??

    very funny (none / 0) (#145)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 04:50:29 PM EST
    not pornographic

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