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The Blago/Burris Farce has some Left bloggers simply losing their perspective. Consider Chris Bowers:

A new story in the Chicago Sun-Times indicates that, the day before Blagojevich's calls were taped, Harry Reid pushed Blagojevich not to appoint the three leading African-American politicians in Illinois (after Barack Obama, of course). According [sic] using "electability" as the rationale, Reid did advocate on behalf of two candidates, one of whom, Attorney General Lisa Madigan, attempted to remove Blgaojevich via judicial coup. If the Senate's move to block Roland Burris wasn't already viewed as a political move rather than one of ethics, this story should put an end to that once and for all.

Incredible. Politicians acting politically. I for one am shocked! Sheesh. More. . . .

Bowers titles his piece "Electability As Corruption." Seriously, that is his title. I have a quick question for Chris - why didn't he back Dennis Kucinich for President? Was that a corrupt act on his part? Or did those candidates he did support come closer to his views than Kucinich? J'Accuse! Bowers. Corruption in the blogs!

Bowers writes:

One of the major problems here is the corruption associated with the concept of "electability" itself. . . . [T]he lack of intra-party democracy and top-down elitism of our political process is also to blame. None of these problems would have occurred if we had simply held an election, and engaged in the radical experiment of letting the people decide.

Concepts like "electability" are part of a broader corrupting system. Selling Senate seats for cash may be obviously corrupt and illegal, but using political leverage to clear primary fields and rule out entire groups of people from holding office isn't much better.

The glass you hear shattering is the rock flying through the roof of Bowers' glass house.

But I think the more interesting point here is why is Reid's concern with electability in an APPOINTMENT decision the breaking point for Bowers on this? Will he now pledge to forever more forego "electability" as part of his discussion of politics? Because otherwise, what is his point? I mean if even the pristine Chris Bowers can not forego considering "electability," how in Gawd's Name can you ask the Senate Majority Leader, a professional politician after all, to forego it? Here's my suggestion to Bowers, when he can honestly say he and his allies are not playing party jersey politics on the issues and how he covers them (this is going to be a critical issue during the Obama Administration), then he can decry politicians acting politically. When even the "activists" think politics first, how can you expect the politicians to do otherwise?

Or to put it another way, you want politicians to forego "electability" in their actions? Make foregoing "electability" an "electability" issue. Of course, this is circular. Because Bowers is arguing for taking the politics out of the politics - a fool's approach.

The better way is to understand that you can never take politics out of politics and that what you need to do is make the smart political thing to do be whatever you want the politicians to do.

Tut-tutting that there is "politics going on" in politics is well, not smart.

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    I'm sure Bowers had a lovely Christmas ... (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 01:51:17 PM EST
    because that level of naivete suggests he probably still believes in Santa Claus.

    Ah, the blissful life of Chris Bowers!

    Careful (none / 0) (#3)
    by Warren Terrer on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:00:14 PM EST
    There might be children reading this blog.

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    Reid is looking like a tactical (none / 0) (#20)
    by Salo on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:45:10 PM EST
    Ww1donkey leading lions.

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    The way (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by lilburro on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:02:42 PM EST
    bloggers are supporting Burris is ridiculous.  They are going way way out of their way to do so.  It reminds me of the way they fell all over themselves to justify everything Obama did, while attacking Hillary incessantly.  

    So, is Reid blocking Burris because of the ethical cloud surrounding Blagojevich, or because he thinks Democrats will lose the seat if Burris is the U.S. Senator from Illinois? The answer is probably both.

    Well let's see - before Burris was appointed, Reid sent a letter on behalf of the caucus saying he would block ANYONE appointed by Blago.  I assume that is why he is blocking Burris.

    Bowers seems to miss entirely that anyone Blago chooses would have a taint that would severely affect their electability.  ANYONE.  

    argh (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by lilburro on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:04:28 PM EST
    Further, if Reid and Senate Democrats are motivated at least partially by "electability," to what extent is that "electability" based on fear of Illinois not backing another African-American, even after Barack Obama and Carol Mosley Braun previously held this seat? It is fairly obvious that played a role.

    Seriously, Blago PWNED the blogosphere.

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    Wasn't Mosley a disaster? (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:06:25 PM EST
    I dunno (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by lilburro on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:16:44 PM EST
    but saying it's "fairly obvious" that Reid thinks AAs are unelectable, and that might be a reason he isn't supporting Burris, is a pretty low accusation isn't it?

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    As a senator...but (none / 0) (#13)
    by oldpro on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:19:04 PM EST
    seemed to have redeemed herself with a lot of clueless people by running for president...remember that?  She had as much fun then as Burris is having now...

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    Checked Wiki. She allegedly (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:21:02 PM EST
    violated federal election law but was not prosecuted, according to Wiki.

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    It's like trying to argue (none / 0) (#9)
    by Warren Terrer on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:07:31 PM EST
    that if Jefferson had just given that $90,000 to charity after he got caught with it in his fridge all should be forgiven, and the charity that accepted the money knowing the allegations surrounding it, should be allowed to keep it anyway.

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    Although the House didn't expel (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:09:57 PM EST
    Jefferson.  Obama gave campaign donations attributed to Rezko or his bundlers to charity.  Should the charities have refused the money?

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    Okay I'm wondering why Reid... (none / 0) (#24)
    by Maria Garcia on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 03:24:49 PM EST
    ...was advocating for Madigan? I just spent the holidays in Chicago with my family and I didn't get the impression that she was all that electable either. After African Americans voted in such large numbers and overwhelmingly for Dems in November, why would Reid think an African American would be unelectable? I guess it depends on which candidates Blago was considering at that time. This whole thing gets more and more bizarre.

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    Lisa Madigan's dad is (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 08:40:46 PM EST
    the mover and shaker kingpin of the IL Legislature.

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    Is this reaction to Reid's (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 03:14:03 PM EST
    perfectly defendable actions just an attempt to push him out of the leadership role?  I have no idea if Reid's judgments about the electability of the people he named is sound, but talking about it to Blago is a perfectly normal thing to to.

    There are many reasons to want Reid out as leader - trying to make him look bad for the wrong reasons does not help that cause, IMHO.

    I think Caroline Kennedy might (none / 0) (#1)
    by hairspray on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 01:32:50 PM EST
    have an electability question in 2010 as well.  Anyone talking about that?

    Why? (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:57:41 PM EST
    You are not going to vote for her? Wouldn't be surprised if Reid held the opposite view that you hold.

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    imo, she has a ways to go (none / 0) (#25)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 03:32:02 PM EST
    on the campaigning front and also getting a handle on he issues. It would also help if she comes up with a better answer (or at least be more convincing!) on why she wants the job and should get it.

    Soggy toast looks more promising than she does right now . . .

    And I would like to hear her say why we should support her over, say, Maloney, Gillibrand, etc . . . .

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    Campaign? (none / 0) (#26)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 03:36:31 PM EST
    Why does she have to campaign. This has to do with Paterson not Kennedy.

    No one is asking any of the other appointees to campaign, why single out Kennedy.

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    2010 (none / 0) (#27)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 03:44:11 PM EST
    sorry, wasn't too clear there. For now I would like to see more from her because she is putting herself out there. I also think it would help her now and in 2010. She basically needs to hit the ground running, and so far she hasn't. She doesn't have a lot of time to make a strong positive impression before she's going to have to ask for our votes. But hey, if she wants to go into the job as the "anointed one", that's on her. I don't think it's going to help her if she fails to make a strong impression now. That will carry over, especially if she fails to do anything between now and 2010 primaries.

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    OK (none / 0) (#32)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 04:01:05 PM EST
    I still do not understand why this is not about Paterson. Nothing about his poor judgement, even in that he is considering her, from this crowd.

    Is he weak, corrupt, a ninny, star struck, greedy, selfish, stupidly putting his own personal interests above those of his constituents?

    The volume of words leveled against Kennedy, is astounding, not a peep about Paterson who bears the entire responsibility for all of his appointments.

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    I'm not sure where Paterson's head is at (none / 0) (#33)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 04:08:05 PM EST
    CK put herself out there, so I'm looking at her against the other options.

    I personally have no problem with a place holder until 2010. I will be disappointed if Paterson appoints her, and will prob be very critical {grin}. I think if he does it, it will be from political motivation on his part. I'd love to know the arm twisting going on (if it's true) that's getting Silver to back down.

    Bottom line, CK has played her hand, I don't know Paterson's hand yet. I'm bothered that he's considering her, but do understand why he interviewed her.

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    The pressure on Paterson must be huge. (none / 0) (#34)
    by tigercourse on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 04:18:33 PM EST
    The back room boys (plus maybe one token girl) want Caroline for her name. Everyone wanted John Jr. to run for Mayor in 2001 (even though he seemed to have no interest in it and had no qualifications) and now they want her. Ted has been tainted for years and she represents a return to the JFK/RFK legacy. I really wouldn't be surprised if they want her to run in 2016. And if Bush Jr. can do it, I suppose she can as well.

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    Poor Baby? (none / 0) (#37)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 04:33:54 PM EST
    Not sure why you would want to infantilize him. He is a seasoned pol who has progressive credentials and not one to cave to pressure from 'the big boys'.

    You might want to read up on the guy before writing him off as a pawn.

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    When did I say "poor baby"? Saying that (none / 0) (#38)
    by tigercourse on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 05:30:19 PM EST
    someone is under alot of pressure hardly infantilizes them.

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    Back Room Boys Versus Paterson? (none / 0) (#42)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 05:46:45 PM EST
    Seems to me that you are at least suggesting that Paterson is a weak figure compared to others who are really running the show (back room boys). The implication is that he deserves sympathy for having to put up with bullies. That is infantilizing at best.

    Poor baby is an apt condensation of your comment, imo.

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    Even strong figures can feel pressure. (none / 0) (#68)
    by tigercourse on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 08:56:34 PM EST
    However, Paterson isn't in the strongest position. He's the Governor of a state with a whole host of problems. A state that generally gets the short end of the stick in terms of federal money. It's pretty easy to see why he would want to keep Obama and others happy.

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    2010, and again in 2012 (none / 0) (#58)
    by RonK Seattle on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 07:09:05 PM EST
    In a big state known for hardball politics.

    That's a tall order.

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    It will be a piece of cake. No serious (none / 0) (#67)
    by tigercourse on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 08:54:08 PM EST
    Democrat will challenge her in 10 or 12 and King isn't good enough to beat her.

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    You don't think Cuomo will? (none / 0) (#70)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 09:46:02 PM EST
    No. Not after losing the 2002 primary. He (none / 0) (#72)
    by tigercourse on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 10:31:54 PM EST
    learned his lesson. Besides, he wants to be Governor, not Senator.

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    I should also add (none / 0) (#29)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 03:46:33 PM EST
    the Obama honeymoon may be over by then. He may have a rough first year or 2 just based on current events . . .

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    Good point (none / 0) (#30)
    by Upstart Crow on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 03:59:02 PM EST
    Good point, squeaky, I meant. (none / 0) (#31)
    by Upstart Crow on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 04:00:22 PM EST
    She will undoubtably lose the (none / 0) (#73)
    by hairspray on Sun Jan 04, 2009 at 02:28:36 PM EST
    election in 2010 and that will affect the Democratic party in holding their thin edge.  That should concern everyone.

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    I no one disturbed Reid, an elected (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:01:47 PM EST
    Senator from Nevada, and Senate Majority Leader, is trying to influence Illinois Governor re Governor's constitutional authority to appoint person to fill vacant IL Senate seat?  

    I'd be shocked if he didn't (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Alien Abductee on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:21:44 PM EST
    It's his job.

    "Of course Senator Reid spoke to the governor of Illinois -- just as he spoke to the governors of New York and Colorado when senators from those states accepted jobs in the new administration," Manley said. "It is part of his job as Majority Leader to share his thoughts about candidates who have the qualities needed to succeed in the Senate."


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    Sd. Reid's spokesman. (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:27:27 PM EST
    I know a pol is a pol and all that.  It just seems to me Reid should have at the very least disclosed his communications with the Governor re the appointment.  His high and mighty pronouncements seem rather less pure to me now.

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    So you think he should have (none / 0) (#18)
    by Alien Abductee on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:39:37 PM EST
    been out there hand-waving the day Blago was arrested, saying "Me too! Me too! I talked to him too!"?

    You know, if you want to find grounds to criticize someone you can always do it. No one can ever be pure enough to fend that off.

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    I'm disturbed... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by pmj6 on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 04:21:04 PM EST
    ...by his apparent belief an African-American Senator from IL is not electable. Really, none of the top three black IL politicians is electable? How would he know that? I suddenly have more sympathy toward Bobby Rush's position on all this.

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    I can't speak for the other two choices, but (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by tigercourse on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 05:31:56 PM EST
    I can guess why Reid wouldn't want JJ Jr. stinking up the joint.

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    There are polls to the contrary (none / 0) (#40)
    by BackFromOhio on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 05:33:05 PM EST
    as to one of the 3 -- I think as to Jackson, Jr.

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    Could Reid have been relaying (none / 0) (#41)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 05:42:56 PM EST
    Obama's wishes? Doesn't Obama have  different preferences?

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    Separation of Powers (none / 0) (#43)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 05:52:24 PM EST
    That would be ill advised of Obama and a poor way to start off, even though he has not inhabited the executive branch yet.

    I do not expect the Obama administration to be following the example of BushCo.

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    Then Obama ought not (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:06:24 PM EST
    even have commented on the Burris appointment.  I was surprised that he did so, cautious as he otherwise has been on bigger issues than what's going down in his old backyard.

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    Disagree (none / 0) (#46)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:11:59 PM EST
    He was speaking about the constitution rule of law etc, nothing about pressing for his favorites or trying to influence the process.

    Seemed absolutely presidential to me, and quite appropriate.

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    The guy who keeps saying (none / 0) (#49)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:38:32 PM EST
    we have only one president at a time?  Who had his attack dog Rahm and perhaps others call Blago?  

    And Obama was on vacation and avoiding the press on other matters.  He's not in Chicago anymore, and it doesn't wash that he weighed in on this now.

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    OK (none / 0) (#52)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:47:12 PM EST
    Another black mark to join the countless others you have against Obama. And using the 'one president at a time' remark as an argument here to suggest that Obama is a hypocrite, seems hardly apt and quite a stretch, imo.

    This is not an issue where Obama is expounding on what the US should do now about foreign policy or economic policy which obviously would be contrary to BushCo.

    We disagree on this one.

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    I wasn't thinking so literally (none / 0) (#45)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:10:36 PM EST
    I thought Obama had made his thoughts know, so was questioning if it was a move by Reid to support it.

    Didn't Obama call Paterson? Or is that just press speculation? Didn't Reid also weigh in?

    Sorry, I'm fuzzy brained as to what is fact, decent speculation and media hype/manipulation today :)

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    Obama Reiterated Reid's Point (none / 0) (#47)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:16:08 PM EST
    "Roland Burris is a good man and a fine public servant, but the Senate Democrats made it clear weeks ago that they cannot accept an appointment made by a governor who is accused of selling this very Senate seat," Obama said in a statement, adding that he agreed with this position.

    "I believe the best resolution would be for the Governor to resign his office and allow a lawful and appropriate process of succession to take place."

    I had not heard anything about his trying to influence Paterson's choice to replace CLinton.

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    I meant prior to Burris and all this mess (none / 0) (#48)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:22:42 PM EST
    I was under the impression he wasn't down with JJJr getting appointed, wanted VJ (and perhaps someone else), etc.

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    We'll See (none / 0) (#50)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:39:06 PM EST
    An internal review conducted by the Obama team concluded last week that neither the president-elect, nor his staff, had had any "inappropriate discussions" with Mr Blagojevich about who should fill the seat.

    link

    If and when evidence come out that implicate Obama. As far as I know, that he tried to influence the selection is only speculation at this point.

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    C'mon -- Obama says Obama is clean (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:42:39 PM EST
    according to Obama's investigation of Obama?

    That's not persuasive.  

    Me, I'm much more persuaded by the evidence that Obama has played politics as smartly as anyone seen in eons, so he would have stayed clean on this.  

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    OK (none / 0) (#54)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:50:09 PM EST
    I am sure that you are reveling in the expectations that Obama will be found guilty of corruption or worse via Rezko, Blagojevich, and who knows what other bets you have going.

    Don't hold your breath.

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    Don't be so obvious (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 07:42:01 PM EST
    and do try to read what is in front of you, not what you want to see.  I said Obama is too smart to have screwed up.  Others around him, maybe not so smart.  But he already has proved to be not only smart but also have be more of a Teflon president-to-be than even Reagan could accomplish.

    And that is to the good in this economy; I really don't want to see the administration and Congress all tied up in scandals again, much as the media -- including bloggers -- might wallow in it.  That is why I worried that the Chicago machine would be a problem, and I was correct.  And that is why I hope Obama steers clear of more comments about it -- for the good of me and mine, as he takes care of himself just fine.

    So stop seeing what isn't there, and go find someone else to play your silly games.  

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    Silly Games (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 08:08:39 PM EST
    You have had zero good to say about Obama as long as I have been reading your comments. It is clear to me that you are prematurely taking delight in the Chigago scandals to argue that you were right in warning against electing Obama.

    Taking delight in Obama's downfall is curiously balanced by your hopes that the country does not go completely down the tubes because America elected Obama.

    Any way I am glad to hear that you would put aside your personal joy for the good of the country.  

    And to compare him to one of the worst presidents in history is more revealing than anything else you have said above.

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    Why are you so hysterical? (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by hairspray on Sun Jan 04, 2009 at 02:42:39 PM EST
    Your defense of the mildest complaints against Obama seem to throw you completely off balance, reading what isn't there. Pity!

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    PUMADS (none / 0) (#77)
    by squeaky on Sun Jan 04, 2009 at 03:03:47 PM EST
    Not about Obama, but dishonest criticism that is at best payback for Hillary's defeat.

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    What "downfall"? Are you (none / 0) (#61)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 08:16:20 PM EST
    on another planet?  Obama has had no downfall; he's riding higher in public opinion than ever before.  

    And you might, just might recall that the comparison to Reagan was by Obama -- his compliment to Reagan's style, not substance.  And in that, Obama was correct about the "Great Communicator" (much as I couldn't stand him, either, so that style just doesn't work on me from either one).

    So you're just . . . well, wrong doesn't begin to describe someone who could write what you have written here.  Again, if you value the opinions of others here, anyway, do read what is in front of you . . . not what is going on in a paranoiac world you see where Obama has had some "downfall."

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    Downfall (none / 0) (#62)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 08:31:05 PM EST
    What "downfall"?

    The potential "downfall" that you have been warning against for almost a year.

    And you might, just might recall that the comparison to Reagan was by Obama -- his compliment to Reagan's style, not substance.

    It is no surprise that you continue to distort Obama's reference to Reagan. Clearly he was talking about America being at a crossroads much like the country was when Reagan was elected. Clearly Obama was positioning himself to lead the country in the opposite direction that Reagan started.

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    You really have this all so wrong (none / 0) (#63)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 08:35:54 PM EST
    and need to look up Obama's explanation of his discussion of Reagan.

    And . . . well, you're just so pathetic in these discussions and ought to stick to the law stuff, so I'll take pity on you and leave this be now.  Bye.

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    Reagan Quote (none / 0) (#65)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 08:43:31 PM EST
    I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what's different are the times. I do think that for example the 1980 was different.
    I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.

    I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.

    I think Kennedy, twenty years earlier, moved the country in a fundamentally different direction. So I think a lot of it just has to do with the times.

    I think we're in one of those times right now.....

    [...]

    And, you know, the Republican approach, I think, has played itself out.




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    Obama quote re Reagan. (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 08:46:53 PM EST
    Exactly; his style was key, as (none / 0) (#71)
    by Cream City on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 10:19:26 PM EST
    he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism. . . .
     

    And that's why he was called the Great Communicator -- for his style, which Obama studied, just as he did that of JFK and others who excelled on the stump.

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    BTW (none / 0) (#56)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:58:32 PM EST
    I thought the internal investigation quote was funny too..

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    I'm not trying to imply anything (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:48:48 PM EST
    just for the record :) I don't know enough of the in's and outs/fine points of what's appropriate here. I was under the impression others were Obama's preference, that's all. I don't believe Reid is a racist, so I was speculating that maybe there was just a support thing going on based on my impressions (does that make sense?!). I have a hard time seeing Reid rejecting 3 AAs on the premise they are unelectable based on race.

    I actually think the Obama team would have been extra careful with any communication involving Blago (and perhaps others in the CM) just based on them knowing the politics there. It's just such an obvious hot button even before the arrest.

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    Agree (none / 0) (#55)
    by squeaky on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 06:53:02 PM EST
    I actually think the Obama team would have been extra careful with any communication involving Blago ...

    He seems to know how to play. I would be surprised if he put himself in a legally compromising situation given the players.

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    I read that too! (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by hairspray on Sun Jan 04, 2009 at 02:37:00 PM EST
    What does it mean?  We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing.  Sheeesh

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    Oh noes! (none / 0) (#7)
    by Warren Terrer on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:04:43 PM EST
    Harry Reid is trying to influence him through persuasion!

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    Probably persuasion.... (1.00 / 1) (#36)
    by pmj6 on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 04:23:23 PM EST
    of the "you have a nice state there, Governor. It would be a shame if anything were to happen to your state's earmarks..." variety.

    Not that there's anything wrong with that, right?

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    And furthermore.... (none / 0) (#11)
    by oldpro on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:11:26 PM EST
    Oh.  There is no furthermore.

    You covered it.

    And beautifully, may I say!

    Heh, (none / 0) (#17)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:35:04 PM EST
    dead to rights.

    Reid is kinda crap (none / 0) (#19)
    by Salo on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:42:30 PM EST
    The parliamentary skills of the kid being eaten by a wolf

    I like this simple formulation: (none / 0) (#28)
    by Faust on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 03:45:18 PM EST
    what you need to do is make the smart political thing to do be whatever you want the politicians to do.


    Impeach Blogojevich (none / 0) (#57)
    by Fabian on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 07:04:34 PM EST
    Smart move politically? Now - sure.

    Impeach Bush?

    Smart move politically?  Probably.

    The difference?
    Fitzgerald practically gift wrapped and hand delivered the case against Blagojevich.  Absent that, the spineless pols would never do it.

    Lesson:  If you want to impeach someone, either get the Republicans to start a witch hunt or get a federal corruption investigation.  

    Politicians are a superstitious, cowardly lot.
    (Apologies to Bob Kane)

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    Reid needs to be very careful (none / 0) (#69)
    by tnjen on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 09:33:53 PM EST
    Arguing against 3 AA's and now refusing to seat a fourth looks bad for him. I'm afraid Blago has outplayed him. Reid is Mormon and that fact could be used to paint his opposition as racially motivated (that the Mormon religion has changed its stance on black people won't matter). If Reid isn't exceptionally careful going forward, there are enough 'facts' and accompanying innuendo for those so inclined to hang him if he follows through on Burris regardless of his previous statement that he'd oppose anyone Blago appointed, whether or not race ever crossed his mind regarding the other candidates and even if he was simply relaying Obama's preferences.

    IMO, Blago has set a bigger trap for Reid and others than most realize -- maybe even bigger than Blago realizes.

    I read that Harry Reid is married to a Jewish (none / 0) (#76)
    by hairspray on Sun Jan 04, 2009 at 02:46:08 PM EST
    woman!

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    I believe he is (none / 0) (#78)
    by tnjen on Sun Jan 04, 2009 at 06:22:45 PM EST
    ...and IIRC, she converted to Mormonism too.

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