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Colo. Governor Suggests Supermax for Gitmo Detainees

Colorado Governor Bill Ritter has suggested that Supermax in Florence, Colorado would be appropriate for Guantanamo detainees.

Ritter wouldn't oppose transferring the Guantanamo Bay detainees to Supermax because it was built for just that type of high-risk inmate, Ritter spokesman Evan Dreyer said today. "If Supermax is chosen, there's no reason to take a 'not in my backyard' approach," Dreyer said.

Not quite. Supermax is for "the worst of the worst" of convicted felons. None of the remaining detainees at Guantanamo has been convicted of a crime yet. [More...]

Supermax, also known as Alcatraz of the Rockies, is far too punitive for those suspected but not convicted of crimes.

There's also been major staffing problems at Supermax. The guards union has been furiousIt hasn't been immune to inmate murders. More on the problems here and here.

Also at Supermax: Jose Padilla, Ted Kaczinski, Ramzi Yousef, "Blind Shiekh" Omar Abdel-Rahman, Eric Rudolph, Zacarias Moussaoui, Richard "shoe bomber" Reid, OKC conspirator Terry Nichols and others. Even "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh was shipped there in 2007. Here's a list.

None went to Supermax before conviction in a federal court.

But, it just goes to show, those who say a terrorist won't be convicted in federal court don't know what they are talking about. Supermax holds many of them, as the list shows.

Journalists got their first tour of Supermax in 2007. CBS legal analyst Andrew Cohen was one of them. From his report:

We saw cement desks and bed frames and stainless steel toilets and sinks. We saw cages—straight out of the circus—where inmates who are going along with the warden’s “program” are allowed to “recreate” outside for about 10 hours a week. We saw that the windows in the cells are only a few inches wide and all look inward toward the other windows of other cells. No one has a view of the beautiful Rocky Mountains which surround the facility in the southern portion of Colorado.

... It may be a high-tech, super-secure prison but it is still a prison, where men will live and die in 68-square-foot cells.

As Human Rights Watch said in their report, Locked Up Alone:Detention Conditions and Mental Health at Guantanamo:

“Security measures don’t justify locking people in windowless cells 22 hours a day, for months and years on end, with almost no opportunity for human interaction, physical exercise or mental stimulation.”

The detainees who are not going to be charged with crime must be returned to their home countries or provided safe haven in another country. Those that the U.S. is going to prosecute can be housed in secure facilities, but the conditions at those facilities must be appropriate for a pre-trial detainee, not punitive like those for the nation's most serious convicted offenders. And that's not Supermax.

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    Which is it? (5.00 / 0) (#26)
    by WorkinJoe on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 05:53:15 PM EST
    Do we believe that our Constitution and justice system is the model for the world?  If so, why don't we insist that all people, citizens or not, deserve their day in court under the same system.  Two separate tiers of justice for us and "them" means we have no justice at all.  We lost our moral leadership under Bush because we created that second, lower tier of "justice," holding people without access to lawyers or even the charges against them, eliminating habeas corpus.

    If we want to lead the world, we must do it fairly and provide the rights we desire as citizens to all world citizens.

    How do you enforce this? (2.00 / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:04:32 PM EST
    If so, why don't we insist that all people, citizens or not, deserve their day in court under the same system

    Are you willing to serve in the armed forces to do this?

    If so, are you a member now?

    And if not, why not?

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    Aren't the prisoners at Gitmo (none / 0) (#2)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:23:23 AM EST
    military prisoners? Why wouldn't we place the ones we are going to bring to trial in military prisons and brigs in the U.S.? Is there a good reason not to do that?

    Probably yes (none / 0) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:29:52 AM EST
    I believe the Justice Department is taking over any trials now and following the law going forward.

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    Aren't The Prisoners At Gitmo (none / 0) (#7)
    by jb1879 on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 06:31:44 AM EST
    Yes there is at least one reason.  If they escape from Gitmo they it would be harder for them to go back to killing Americans.  If they are put in prisons here in the U.S. they will be back to doing this within minutes. If they are housed in the U.S. I hope it is at your back door and not mine.

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    No. They are not military prisoners (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 09:01:45 AM EST
    If they were they would be POWs and we could hold them until the war is over per the Geneva Convention.

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    I thought you didnt believe (none / 0) (#20)
    by jondee on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 12:29:06 PM EST
    in the Geneva Convention.

    After all, parts of it are the result of "Old Europe" telling the good ole U.S of A (who protects them), what to to do.

    What we need to do is pull out of the U.N and shoot some ballisle missles at them collectivists.
    Smoke 'em outa their holes.

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    Why do you write that? (2.00 / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 04:31:51 PM EST
    My comments have always been in conjunction with the terrorists NOT being qualified under the GC.

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    I'm concerned about the cost (none / 0) (#4)
    by thereyougo on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 03:38:01 AM EST
    to the taxpayer. Is it cheaper anywhere else?

    granted the previous administration didn't understand or cared to follow international law and habeus corpus.

    Noticed how European countries are not opening up their doors to house the ones who have no evidence of crimes. It would be nice, but not happening.

    GITMO (none / 0) (#5)
    by jb1879 on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 06:23:09 AM EST
    Wait and see.  If Gitmo is closed there will be many detainees released who will return to being or join terriost and kill Americans.  I guess this is what Obama wants!

    I never know what to make of people like (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 08:11:09 AM EST
    you.  To begin with, we did this to these people, but the last thing on your mind is accountability and making restitution to the innocent.  I'm not an expert, but if the innocent don't have sociopathic tendencies chances stand in our favor in the extreme that if we make attempts to repair the damage that we have done that we will only release sad and broken people who will seek to find some sort of quality of life after having so little.  I firmly believe when I read comments like yours that the thing most feared is looking into the abyss of what was done in our name and without much of fight on our parts as well to completely innocent people.  God help us all facing that head on.