I know not whether Laws be right, Or whether Laws be wrong; All that we know who lie in gaol Is that the wall is strong; And that each day is like a year, A year whose days are long.

Were one to keep a domestic pet in such isolation and totaly devoid of contact and such lack of interaction, I wonder where the law would stand on such cruelty.

If a domestic pet was involved with a terrorist attack

I never saw a man who looked With such a wistful eye Upon that little tent of blue Which prisoners call the sky, And at every drifting cloud that went With sails of silver by.

In time, if he's good, he may work his way up from a windowless cell to one in another unit with a small window where he can see the sky and clouds

requested $ 23 million to build up to '24 new super-secure cells

He did not wear his scarlet coat, For blood and wine are red, And blood and wine were on his hands When they found him with the dead, The poor dead woman whom he loved, And murdered in her bed.

I think he is suggesting another type of incarceration that does not dehumanize, but instead attempts to humanize.

Like Oscar, I find it difficult to stomach a so-called civilised nation confining a person for the rest of their life in this manner.

Scapegoats are great... Especially when they are too ill to defend themselves. You can just throw them in a hole like a piece of trash, and the best part is you never have to look in a mirror or think about your own complicity in creating the social conditions that lead to people trying to wake you up.

We have entered a great ideological conflict we did nothing to invite.

He received every consideration our CJ system affords.

What Wilde speaks of is a murder of passion, a result of drinking and some unspecified act that enraged the killer. We do not usually execute people for crimes of passion.

He is as guilty of the murder of 3000 people as it is possible to be.

Ah, the anti-death crowd now opens their cloaks and show us the rest of their suit.

LWOP is now inhumane

I wonder what those who died on 9/11 had this morning?

The hell you don't.

As I stated clearly above, in some cases, LWOP is necessary and appropriate. In many cases, though, it is not. It is merely an expense the tax payer could easily do without.

The few murders we execute in this country are almost always people who killed in cold blood.

My problem is not the argument you make that it is not a proper sentence in some cases, but your position that it is not proper in this case.

Moussaoui strikes me as a bit of a fruitcake who perhaps would not ever be safe to free

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

I make that statement as a flat fact

it is based on something far more primal, the animal that is in the human

Its not about the man.period.

If his sanity was in doubt before this, then under these inhuman conditions, I fear it will not be so for much longer.

Were one to keep a domestic pet....It is inhumane."

Its not about the man.period

And if we didnt think it was "about the man" no ...

ppj - oscar dosnt speak for me.

Would you guys and gals make your mind up?

Controlled demolition would have required unimpeded access to the WTC, access to explosives, avoiding detection, and the expertise to orchestrate the deadly destruction from a nearby secure location. Such access before 9/11 likely depended on complicity by one or more WTC security companies. These companies focus on "access control" and as security specialist Wayne Black says, "When you have a security contract, you know the inner workings of everything." Stratesec, a now-defunct company that had security contracts at the World Trade Center and Dulles International Airport, should be investigated, among others, because of the strange coincidence that President Bush's brother, Marvin P. Bush, and his cousin, Wirt D. Walker III, were principals in the company, with Walker acting as CEO from 1999 until January 2002 and Marvin reportedly in New York on 9/11. At least one report claims that a "power down" condition prevailed on September 8-9 (pdf, p. 45) at WTC to complete a "cabling upgrade," presenting an opportunity to plant explosives with low risk of detection. More...

It is wrong to say people are good or bad. People are either charming or they are tedious.

What causes mass hysteria, fear, and panic? It is the perception of danger and fear that is the cause. A perception is a sensory or sense impression, or image we create in our own minds. The danger may not be real at all, but illusory. But the perception of danger is what leads to fear, insecurity, and a sense of danger that sets in motion psychological mechanisms. Fear and panic lead to consensual paranoia, a primordial tribal psychological need to find an enemy or a scapegoat that a tribe seeks to destroy. Invariably, the tribe, society, nation, or government seeks to create a bipolar opposition, that is, a division between US and Them, the Tribe against the Enemy/Other, the Good Us against the Evil Them. This is a primal/fundamental psychological need that is an evolutionary vestige from when man was animalistic in evolutionary development.

The few murders we execute in this country are almost always people who killed in cold blood.

I make that statement as a flat fact. If you can show me that we regularly execute killers who have killed only in a fit of passion I will apologize.

I can think of nothing you have said that would lead me to think a search was worth while.

Keeping him safe, if you will forgive me is, at best lame,and not least disingenous.

The worst of the worst here are routinely killed in prison here. See Daumer, Geagan as recient examples. The guards knew they were at risk and were incapable of protecting them

They howled and leaped, and spun, and made horrid faces; but what thrilled you was just the thought of their humanity -- like yours -- the thought of your remote kinship with this wild and passionate uproar. Ugly. Yes, it was ugly enough; but if you were man enough you would admit to yourself that there was in you just the faintest trace of a response to the terrible frankness of that noise, a dim suspicion of there being a meaning in it which you -- you so remote from the night of first ages -- could comprehend. Heart of Darkness

and not even a window where he can look at the sky and landscape of the planet that birthed him

I'm thinking that if we cut and paste all Jim's comments together, he'd go full circle, maybe even answer his own baseless statements.

Posted by soccerdad May 15, 2006 07:57 AM The worst of the worst here are routinely killed in prison here. See Daumer, Geagan as recient examples. The guards knew they were at risk and were incapable of protecting them Incapable or unwilling?

PPJ, you make a statement, but you have no statictics or numbers to support your position, so HK caught you out.

All I can say is, in my opinion, that what goes on there is far far in excess of the minimum required to run a prison.

I assume non here would want to dispute the above.

Posted by Squeaky at September 19, 2005 11:19 PM Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I.

You get what you give.

Charlie was an complete A-hole that deserved to be banned.

On a lighter note, Narius seems to have fallen off the planet too...

the best way to treat him is to treat just as any other and debate him head on.

In light of the question being sincere I withdraw my comment, and please accept my apology.