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Posted on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 09:18:13 PM EST
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    Early flight tomorrow (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 09:21:14 PM EST
    But I'm going towards the warmth, so it's all good.

    Big 10: not so great. But did you (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 09:45:39 PM EST
    hear USC state it should be in the BCS final THIS year?

    Also, must admit Paterno tells it like it is.  

    Hey, Iowa won their game. (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 09:50:03 PM EST
    Today wasn't a complete washout for the Big 10.

    In fact (none / 0) (#21)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:01:47 PM EST
    the Big 10 split with the SEC.

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    I thought Georgia won? Who am I (none / 0) (#29)
    by Teresa on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:33:12 PM EST
    missing?

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    Iowa (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by cal1942 on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 12:38:09 AM EST
    beat South Carolina 31-10 today in the Outback Bowl.

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    LOL cal1942. I need to go to bed! (none / 0) (#40)
    by Teresa on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 12:43:40 AM EST
    I knew that. Somehow, in my sleepy head, SC losing and Georgia winning added up to 2-1 in favor of the SEC.

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    This Vol fan is not talking smack to (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Teresa on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:55:31 PM EST
    anyone this year.

    South Carolina is a good team when their quarterback(s) play well. Today, we saw the other SC team.

    So, Teresa, which of the players on (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:02:02 PM EST
    today's winning teams should put their hat in the NFL ring?  Lou says they all should stay put.  

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    I always vote stay. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Teresa on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:31:46 PM EST
    But, if I were in their shoes, I'd probably have to take the money even though the college experience can't be duplicated in the pros (to me anyway).

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    Was watching the Cincinnati- VA Tech game. : ( (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 12:39:04 AM EST
    Announcers were talking about graduation rates. U. of Cincinnati graduates 90% of its players. How great is that? I don't think either Oregon or Oregon State even cracks 50%.

    I'm with Teresa-- I always vote for staying and, hopefully, getting that degree. My longtime fondness for Peyton Manning began when he decided to return to Tennessee for his final year instead of entering the NFL draft. I would imagine I am in the minority on this, but I think colleges should be required to graduate all their athletes. And athletes should be required to get that degree before entering a pro draft. An unpopular view, I know.

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    There's (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:03:45 PM EST
    never a reason to talk smack.

    Your Vols will be back. It's only a matter of time.

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    Wasn't that you talkin' smack (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:07:46 PM EST
    just last night?

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    That wasn't smack (none / 0) (#36)
    by cal1942 on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 12:37:15 AM EST
    Smack is when you boast and ridicule others.  

    What I said about UM wasn't smack, it was a common sentiment shared by many in reaction to some UM followers, including my son-in-law, who expect us to feel sorry for him and UM because UM had ONE bad season.

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    So, if I sd. "MSU lost, of course. " (none / 0) (#52)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 12:36:20 PM EST
    Would I be talkin' smack?

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    Smack... (none / 0) (#53)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 01:08:35 PM EST
    ...would be more along the lines of:

    "MSU, being the one-dimensional, choke artists that they are, predictably rolled-over to the Bulldogs"

    Of course, I would never say anything like that because dispite my dislike for both MSU and Michigan, they both represent the Big Ten and I want them to do well outside of conference play.

    /How 'bout those Hawkeyes!

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    Dislike? (none / 0) (#59)
    by cal1942 on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 07:48:39 PM EST
    dispite my dislike for both MSU and Michigan

    Really?

    I don't have any animus toward any Big Ten team.  The closest is to Michigan and even that is not extended to players and coaches.  Animus does apply to many of their ill behaved wise a$$ followers, tormenting smack talkers who now beg for sympathy. Last year when Michigan beat Florida in the Capital One Bowl,  myself and I know other Spartan faithful cheered because we were happy to see a fine gentleman like Lloyd Carr go out a winner and especially since so many of the aforementioned ragged on Carr for successive losses to Ohio State and chose to ignore his otherwise outstanding record.  


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    Mile Hi is right (none / 0) (#58)
    by cal1942 on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 07:18:23 PM EST
    a good illustration of smack. I also expected Michigan State to lose the game so 'of course' is simply acknowledging an expectation.

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    The Big Ten may suck (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Steve M on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 12:35:07 AM EST
    but it was still nice to see the alma mater play on New Year's Day.  And we didn't get our butts beat as badly as I expected, so that's something.

    Hey, Steve M (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 12:41:20 AM EST
    Saw on yesterday's thread that you and the missus are expecting tiny tyke #2. Mazel tov to both of you. This is certainly a mitzvah.

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    Aw thanks! (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Steve M on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 12:59:06 AM EST
    I don't know how we will handle it.  One is a full-time job already.  But I suppose we will be fine, since everyone else is :)

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    You'll be okay. (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 01:09:35 AM EST
    It would seem that the species is programmed to survive the task of child-rearing.


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    Has anyone bought bookcases recently? (none / 0) (#2)
    by mogal on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 09:37:55 PM EST
    I'd like to order on line. I'm running out of space.

    Almost anything you buy online (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 09:42:41 PM EST
    is going to Ikea grade, and probably a pain to but together (though other people have had more success than I have).

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    Thank you, and of course you are right but... (none / 0) (#7)
    by mogal on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:01:12 PM EST
    it's a matter of time and necessity.

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    My last set is from Amazon (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:05:25 PM EST
    and it worked just fine.

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    I bought mine from Officemax (none / 0) (#14)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:26:12 PM EST
    I think the brand is Sullivan or O'Sullivan.  I put it together quickly and it has really lasted. Good price also.  Walnut veneer or cherry wood veneer as I recall.

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    yes to o'Sullivan stuff (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by DFLer on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 07:12:36 AM EST
    mogal...why not buy local?, if you can...especially if you're in a hurry. Also, unless it's free shipping, that cost on-line would be heavy. Secondly, buying locally would support your state, county and local govs with the sales tax. Thirdly. it would support local jobs as well.

    If you live in the upper midwest...try Fleet and Farm..good prices.

    Happy New Year.

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    Ditto that (none / 0) (#49)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 09:27:13 AM EST
    Shipping costs are horrendous for this kind of thing.  Of all times, this is the time to buy local if at all possible.  You can get a better deal on-line surely, but the shipping costs will wipe that out.

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    Football question from non-fan: (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 09:53:09 PM EST
    BCS final next year will be in the Rose Bowl, according to ESPN.  If winner of Big 10 (11) and Pac 8 aren't in the BCS final, what happens to the traditional Rose Bowl rivalry?  

    BCS contract puts tradition on hold (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by abdiel on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:20:44 PM EST
    Since the Rose Bowl doesn't get to choose its teams that year, it simply takes whatever teams that the BCS sends to it.  

    The tradition isn't absolute, the Rose Bowl has simply made it known that if it can, it will always choose the Pac-10 and Big Ten champions.  


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    If... (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:22:47 PM EST
    neither the Pac 10 or the Big 10 has a team in the BCS Championship, then the Rose Bowl will still get those conference winners. The Rose Bowl won't be the BCS Championship. The BCS Championship will be played at the Rose Bowl. Similar to the Orange Bowl being played tonight while the BCS Championship is at the Orange Bowl next Thursday night (okay neither of those last two statements are completely true. It's the Orange Bowl at Joe Robbie/ProPlayer/Dolphins/Dolphin Stadium.

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    Don't know (none / 0) (#9)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:12:05 PM EST
    The last time the "precious" national championship game was held at the Rose Bowl (Southern Cal vs Texas) the Pac-10 - Big 10 match did not occur.  In other words that year's Rose Bowl was ruined.

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    Pity. (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:17:39 PM EST


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    No Big Tent (none / 0) (#11)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:18:15 PM EST
    NOT RESOLVED.

    When you get it wrong, you really get it wrong.

    So, resolved: anyone who really loves college football would NEVER state that any conference stinks.

    Anyone who 'gets' college football would never have a thought like that enter their mind.

    There's the scoreboard, look up at it (none / 0) (#16)
    by abdiel on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:35:59 PM EST
    A 1-4 day is catastrophic for a conference looking to regain some respect on the big stage.  They stink until they prove otherwise.  Lucky for you, they get that chance tomorrow with Ohio State.


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    Tomorrow... (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:57:27 PM EST
    may be Ohio State's best chance at winning with no one else there. The problem is they don't play until Monday and then Texas will be there.

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    "Tostito Fiesta Bowl." Now (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:00:21 PM EST
    That is funny!

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    Respect (none / 0) (#19)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:59:04 PM EST
    on the 'big stage'

    You're clueless.

    Big stage.  Explain to me why qualifying Big Ten teams are sought after by the various bowl committees and given prime consideration.  

    Can't can you.  Because you're clueless. You don't even know what the stage looks like. And you certainly don't know what constitutes respect.

    Without the Big 10 there wouldn't be a big stage.
     

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    That's easy... (none / 0) (#54)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 01:25:03 PM EST
    ...it is all about the $.  Big Ten fans travel like no others--they not only fill the stadium to watch their favorite teams, but they bring their fat wallets to the hotels, the bars, the restuarants and the local attractions and businesses.

    Given the choice between another day on the frozen tundra and a week of soaking up the sun somewhere warm, who can blame them?  

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    Also (none / 0) (#62)
    by cal1942 on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 12:36:16 PM EST
    Huge numbers of alumni, the largest number of alumni. Especially in states like California.

    Add to that the large numbers of retired people and other expatriates from the north central states in places like Florida and Arizona and there is a major Big 10 presence everywhere.


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    Yep, we are everywhere. (none / 0) (#63)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 02:06:24 PM EST
    In fact, there are so many Iowans here in Denver that the most popular sports bar in Iowa City opened up a branch in downtown Denver.  It, in turn, is the biggest and most popular sports bar in LoDo.  

    It's always packed, wall to wall, with Hawkeye fans on game day.  For the bowl games, there is a line around the block waiting for them to open.  If you're not there two hours ahead of time, you're standing the whole game.  The alumni association has designated another bar in the burbs as an "offical game watch location" because so many people came out.

    Old timers like me, who have no patience for standing in line or making the scene, can go to the local pub and watch the game with at least a handful of Hawkeye faithful.

    Although they don't have their own campus-like bar complete with banners and pork tenderloins, the other Big Ten schools all have active, well-supported alumni groups.  On the other hand, the South Carolina alumni group has a hard time filling the tiny dive bar by my house.  

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    Sounds Great (none / 0) (#64)
    by cal1942 on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 11:09:00 PM EST
    Don't know if you're the type that gets homesick from time to time, but if you are, having those spots would be helpful.

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    Innocence Project lost money in Madoff Case (none / 0) (#15)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 10:28:07 PM EST
    http://tinyurl.com/8rsr7f

    what a shame.

    Rumors about HRC's Seat (none / 0) (#25)
    by Amiss on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:18:13 PM EST
    On CNN tonight possibility of Bill being a placeholder til 2010, also read that former Gov. Mario Cuomo was also being considered for the placeholder.

    Interesting.

    I thought Bill Clinton already sd. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:22:02 PM EST
    he wasn't interested.

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    He did. They still want to talk about a (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Teresa on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:32:30 PM EST
    Clinton. They make me mad!

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    I didn't hear any criticsm of the (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:42:14 PM EST
    Clinton team's New Year's Eve performance.  Did I miss anything?

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    So you didn't have the sound on? (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by Cream City on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:46:58 PM EST
    Some commentators suffered from CDS to the max.

    They must not be on the list for the Obamamemo:  Clintons are okay now.  They're not racists anymore.  All you have to do to be cleared of your sins is raise money for Obama.

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    Local news doesn't have CDS ;) (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by nycstray on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 03:21:35 AM EST
    And Bloomberg is no fool. Plus, I think he really does like Hillary. Had a party for her after the campaign was over. I thought they looked fantastic last night. Very happy. And the crowd was more than happy to get hand shakes when it was all over. All in all, I thought it was a very nice choice. I'm kinda gutted losing her as my senator  :( Who's gonna look out for me?!

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    Oh, I didn't even watch it. (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:48:07 PM EST


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    So how about them Israelis? (none / 0) (#33)
    by nellre on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:54:59 PM EST
    I am appalled. They brag they got a Hamas leader... but in doing so they killed four of his wives and nine of his children. A total of 18 died to get this one guy.
    So, is this acceptable? Not by my standards.
    Four of his wives? (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by befuddledvoter on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 12:13:49 AM EST


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    Tell me when they are done (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Fabian on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 05:05:51 AM EST
    killing each other.

    Tell me when we and other nations are no longer funding this MAD situation.

    Israel is wrong.
    Hamas is wrong.

    If you want to argue who is more wrong, go for it.  My POV is that there are no Good Guys, just perpetrators and bystanders.  

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    LOL (none / 0) (#45)
    by TimNCGuy on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 06:39:39 AM EST
    Upon first read and knowing this blog is usually political in nature I thought it said

    "Big TENT sucks"

    Which I heartily agree with.

    Took me reading the comments to realize I had read it wrong.

    "stinks" not "sucks" as well (none / 0) (#47)
    by DFLer on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 07:16:08 AM EST
    check the glasses...and the attention span   :)

    just kidding..

    HNY

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    ha ha (none / 0) (#48)
    by TimNCGuy on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 07:56:41 AM EST
    what glasses, i don't need no 'stinking' glasses.  LOL

    realized I got that part wrong afetr i posted it.  But, sucks just sounds so much better when talking about that big tent, so I didn't worry about it.

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    Tim (none / 0) (#50)
    by DFLer on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 11:44:51 AM EST
    are you trying to start a flap about the tent?

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    Nope (none / 0) (#55)
    by TimNCGuy on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 06:53:55 PM EST
    it was just a comment about my mis-reading the original post.  I thought it was a funny mis-read, nothing more.

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    OMG (none / 0) (#56)
    by TimNCGuy on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 06:55:50 PM EST
    It just occured to me that maybe you mis-understood what "tent" I'm talking about.  Not BTD.  I'm referring to Obama's "Big Tent" philosophy ala Rick Warren etc.....

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    I was really trying to make a lame joke... (none / 0) (#60)
    by DFLer on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 08:58:03 PM EST
    Ya know...flap...tent...as in tent flaps?

    But now that you mention it, I was confused as to which big tent you were calling out!

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    that's the problem (none / 0) (#61)
    by TimNCGuy on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 09:26:13 PM EST
    with trying to make jokes via typing.  tends to get me in trouble when i try.  No facial expressions, no tone of voice, and the connection between tent and flap went right OVER my head.   LOL

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    TimfNCGuy (none / 0) (#51)
    by bernardab on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 12:32:33 PM EST
    I too first read "The Big Tent Stinks" in the post and thought it was good self-deprecating humor, until I read the responses about football. Ugh.

    oops (none / 0) (#57)
    by TimNCGuy on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 06:56:51 PM EST
    I was referring to Obama's "Big Tent" theory ala Rick Warren and not to BTD.

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