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Up-Or-Down, Or Shutting Down? The GOP's New Demands

It would almost be funny if it weren't so outrageous. Republicans aren't satisfied with the willingness of some congressional Democrats to negotiate in good faith about a comprehensive energy policy that might permit limited offshore drilling (with environmental safeguards and a requirement that drilling leases actually be used) in exchange for development of wind and solar energy and reduced subsidies for oil companies.

Republicans, who threw this year's appropriations process into chaos by trying to force drilling provisions into spending bills, renewed their calls Monday for an up-or-down vote on lifting the drilling ban.

Why do Republicans believe that only bills of importance to Republicans are entitled to an up-or-down vote? Republicans have set a record in the last two years in their use of the filibuster to obstruct new legislation. Senate Republicans have filibustered something like 80 pieces of legislation in the current session of Congress. Funny how the suddenly sacrosanct up-or-down vote wasn't important on any of those occasions. [more ...]

Even funnier (or more dire, depending on your perspective) are Republican threats to block a stopgap spending bill that would keep the government operating until a new president assumes office.

Negotiations between the White House and congressional Democrats have begun over emergency legislation to continue funding the federal government when the fiscal year ends Sept. 30.

But even stopgap funding may be threatened by the continuing showdown over energy issues. In recent days, several House Republicans have talked about blocking any funding bill that extends the moratorium on offshore drilling, raising the specter of a government shutdown.

Pushing the "shut down" strategy is Newt Gingrich, who thinks voters would hold Democrats responsible for the unwillingness of Republicans to compromise. That's exactly what he told his party in 1995. He was wrong.

Public opinion polls showed most of the blame was assigned to the Republicans.

Do Republicans have the political will to play chicken this close to an election?

National parks and passport offices would close. Veterans would face problems getting their benefit checks, and distressed homeowners would face delays in obtaining government-backed home loans.

On the flip side, do Democrats have the political will to stand up to the "drill, baby, drill" minority party without obtaining significant concessions in exchange for an agreement to authorize new offshore drilling?

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    Based on recent history, my money (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:16:52 PM EST
    is on the Republicans.  For example, Reid and Pelosi won't bring up S-Chip again because "we don't have the votes" to override a veto.

    The answer to this question (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by joanneleon on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:18:22 PM EST
    do Democrats have the political will to stand up to the "drill, baby, drill" minority party without obtaining significant concessions in exchange for an agreement to authorize new offshore drilling?

    if we look at recent history, is, unfortunately, pretty obvious.

    I think this is a case of (none / 0) (#11)
    by Matt in Chicago on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:02:26 PM EST
    live by the polls, die by the polls.  You can't claim to always be acting in favor or the "will of the people" and then ignore the fact that 60 or so percent of the people support drilling?

    The only way to "kill" this is to give the Republicans the perfect argument to not vote for a Democrat.

    This is completely my opinion, but I think the Republicans in Congress know that the Pelosi and Reid can't stop this so they are not willing to compromise.  Honestly, with the negative nature or Congress today I would be more shocked if either party was actually willing to work on a good-faith compromise!  

    Pelosi is trying to send up a watered down bill and she is going to lose.  (My guess)  She really has been a disappointment.


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    The will of the people (none / 0) (#18)
    by joanneleon on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 07:38:15 PM EST
    hasn't stopped them before though.  It wouldn't be the first time that Reid and Pelosi made one of their infamous compromises against the will of the people.  In fact, the reason that Congress is so unpopular is precisely because they haven't done what they were elected to do.

    I understand what you're saying though.  The thing is, in this case, the electorate seems woefully uninformed, or misinformed, about the "drill, baby, drill" situation.  It won't help anyone for years, there's no guarantee that the oil drilled will stay in this country, the restrictions on speculation aren't looking too likely, nor are the cuts in subsidies to oil companies.  Basically the compromises are likely to go by the wayside.  The excuse will be that they didn't have the votes, when in reality, they won't play hardball with the tools they have as the majority leadership.

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    Simple Answers To Simple Questions (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by BrianJ on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:27:48 PM EST
    GOoPers are going to do whatever they think they can get away with because they play to win.  Democrats need to think the same way, especially when it comes to maneuvers like these that are completely predictable and commonplace.

    So rather than ask, "Why do Republicans believe that only bills of importance to Republicans are entitled to an up-or-down vote?", Democrats need to ask, "Why do Republicans believe that any bills of importance to Republicans are entitled to an up-or-down vote?"

    If the Dem's continue to obstruct (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by lousy1 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:32:11 PM EST
    McCain could have a Republican Legislature.

    Do not underestimate the anger of the electorate about this issue.

    There is no need to tie other sources of energy such as Wind or Solar into this legislation. Most Americans think that they are the energy of the future and always will be.
     There is also a recognition that its better to drill where the oil is and can be cheaply recovered rather than some speculative high cost venue such as the previously leases.

    IMO Republicans now enjoy a significant edge in public support regarding their energy expertise with the rise in prominence of Sarah Palin.


    The electorate may be angry, but... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by wasabi on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 05:08:23 PM EST
    They don't know a thing about oil leases, current or future and apparently, neither do you.

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    Amoebas (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Prabhata on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:35:22 PM EST
    The Republicans know that the Democratic Congress is spineless.

    Bush had his energy bill. (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by mmc9431 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:43:00 PM EST
    Bush had his energy bill and see what we got. The reason people think drilling is great is because they've been sold a bill of goods on it. It isn't going to change costs. It will be years before we ever saw any product. And the environmental issues are major.

    It shouldn't be brought up to a vote, but if it is, throw it back to the state level. If they want it for their state fine. Also let the states get the money like Alaska does. How could the Republican's vote against states rights.

    Agreed, but (none / 0) (#4)
    by eric on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:20:24 PM EST
    !!language!!!

    Sorry (none / 0) (#9)
    by litigatormom on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:50:39 PM EST
    Sometimes I get...exercised. {{hands head in shame}}

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    Wonder How FUNNY It Will Be (none / 0) (#8)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:37:48 PM EST
    if the Dems do their usual kabuki theater before they give the Republicans everything they demand and more.

    Actually, (none / 0) (#10)
    by JAB on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:01:15 PM EST
    Republicans have set a record in the last two years in their use of the filibuster to obstruct new legislation

    The Democrats have let them.  Not once did Harry Reid make the Republicans actually filibuster. If the Dems had any spines, they would have forced the R's to stand up there and read cookbooks - show the American people how silly they are.

    But, no.  So the Dems have to take some blame for this as well.

    He Can't Make Them Do That (none / 0) (#12)
    by flashman on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:41:11 PM EST
    As long as the Republicans stick together and refuse to vote for cloture, there is nothing Reid can do.

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    Majority or Minority (none / 0) (#14)
    by mmc9431 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 04:51:42 PM EST
    We've had six years where the Democrat's couldn't do anything because they were the minority. Then the last two the Dem's couldn't do anything because the minority Republican's wouldn't let them. It seem that no matter what, the Dem's seem to lose. That might account for their approval rating. They need to find a spine.

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    Let's Not Kid Ourselves (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by flashman on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 07:25:33 PM EST
    offshore drilling is not about lowering prices, rather it's about the Republicans having a wedge issue with which to paint the Democrats as obstructionists.  Ask yourself, if Republicans were all that interested in lifting the ban, why didn't they do it during the 108th and 109th congress, when they had control of every branch of governement?  They didn't get ANWAR either.

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    I'm betting $20 against any backbone from the Dems (none / 0) (#16)
    by blogtopus on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 06:45:10 PM EST
    Capitulation all the way, baby! That's how it's DONE in D.C., right Harry?