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Running Against Republicanism

I have to give Mike Pence, the Republican representative from Indiana, credit. He is a man of principle. Of course, his principles are reckless and have been proven conclusively wrong. But he sticks to them. They are the principles of Republicanism. In his speech this morning on the TARP (Troubled Assets Recovery Plan) bailout plan, he argued for a no vote and in favor of the House Republican plan, the one John McCain championed - the one that argued for solving the mortgage/credit Wall Street crisis by lowering corporate taxes, loosening regulations and for the government doing less for Main Street. That is Republicanism in a nutshell. [More...]

It is time for a fair debate in this election - both the Presidential election and the Congressional election. Democratic principles understand the important role of government in our economy, for fairness, oversight and for looking out for ordinary Americans and the middle class. And not just on the economy. On health care, education, pay equity and other everyday problems. In short, Democrats believe in the Common Good and that government is important for working for the Common Good. Republicans believe, as Grover Norquist pithily put it - that government's role is to be "drowned in a bathtub."

The Bailout bill is a short term solution, but it leaves room for a Democratic Congress and a Democratic President to make it work for ordinary Americans, to help them make their mortgage payments, to pay their electric bills, to save for college and to make sure every American has health insurance. Let's make this election be a referendum on the Republican and Democratic view of what our government should be and what it needs to do. Democrats will win that debate. Resoundingly.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    FUBAR??? (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Semanticleo on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:57:09 AM EST
    Tent;

    I don't think the Public's objection to the bailout will evolve into an understanding of the difference between the two Party's intentions in passing the measure.  It's far too complex to overarch that river with long explanations.

    Will our base show up?  Will theirs?  That's the question.  Fatigue and disgust over Congress on every front, not just economics, may bleed into the Bailout zone.....Just sayin'

    Don't Taze me, Bro

    Leaving room.... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:58:00 AM EST
    to get some value out of this for your average American taxpayer...but when?

    I am reminded of Creedence....Someday Never Comes.

    First thing I remember was askin papa, why? ,
    For there were many things I didnt know.
    And daddy always smiled; took me by the hand,
    Sayin, someday you'll understand.

    Well, Im here to tell you now each and every mothers son
    You better learn it fast; you better learn it young,
    cause, someday never comes.



    You're not going to get the debate you want (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Pol C on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:24:10 AM EST
    The Republicans sound like broken records right now, but Obama will never argue his position in terms of the Democratic approach being better than the GOP's. He had an excellent opportunity Friday night to contrast the GOP/Dubya economy with the Clinton/Democratic economy, and make the case that if one votes for him, we'll be that much closer to getting the Clinton economy back. He'd score a knock-out if he did that.

    Unfortunately, Obama seems to regard identifying himself as a Democrat or with Democratic predecessors as anathema. Apart from a brief mention of FDR, he refused to do anything of that sort on Friday, and there's no mention of the Democratic Party in ANY of his campaign literature.

    I don't think he cares about the party, his supporters, or the country. It's ultimately all about him and his apotheosis, and the Democratic Party and Democratic voters are just a means to an end. McCain and the GOP disgust me just as much in their own way, and I'm left without a candidate.

    Obama argued (none / 0) (#51)
    by BernieO on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 01:22:26 PM EST
    that he was best to lead because he can inspire, then proceeded to diss Bill Clinton's record and say nice things about Reagan. He could have used his platform to dismantle the admiration for Reaganomics by pointing out Clinton's success with balancing the budget, raising millions out of poverty, etc. but he rarely does so.

    Republican economic policies have repeatedly been disastrous, leading to economic meltdowns that cost the public billions, ballooned debt, increased poverty, etc. yet the Obama and the Democrats are still afraid to make the case. They are pathetic.

    Obama is right that he has the skills to make the case, but he has not done it yet. It boggles the mind.

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    Is it really called TARP? (none / 0) (#1)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:37:59 AM EST
    Isn't that one of those things you use to cover up all the crap in your back yard you don't want to have to see or think about?

    See the text of the act here, and comment on it (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by lambert on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:05:17 AM EST
    Public Markup actually permits people to comment on the text itself (rather than rely on others to report about it). It's a fantastic tool!

    That said, I have no confidence that the program is any kind of "solution" at all (check the IMF study on how taxpayer bailouts of toxic assets are more expensive and less effective) and if there were actually meaningful assistance to homeowners in the bill (like HOLC), I'd be a lot more inclined to run on it.

    As it is, the insane Republican backbenchers will be doing the Lord's work if they manage to get the legislative process back on track by holding this thing up.

    I can't tell you how much TARP -- and since this is a family blog, I can't give the acronym I heard --  reminds me of the AUMF and especially FISA: Same lack of rationale and shifting justifications, same cast of characters, same rush to get something, anything passed before adjournment, and the same rationalization that "we'll fix it later" except now from people who should know better. How'd that work out on the whole no retroactive immunity for telcos thing, anyhow?

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    I have lost all faith (none / 0) (#19)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:10:53 AM EST
    in the ability of people to learn from mistakes.

    I am now convinced, where I would not have been a month ago, that if Bush and Sec of Def Gates come out next week and say we had to attack iran because of scary reasons A, B, and C, congress-lemmings will rush off the cliff to get it done, yet again, praising themselves for their bi-partisanship.

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    I completely agree with you (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:12:16 AM EST
    lambert on all points you make.

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    See the text of the act here, and comment on it (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by lambert on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:05:18 AM EST
    Public Markup actually permits people to comment on the text itself (rather than rely on others to report about it). It's a fantastic tool!

    That said, I have no confidence that the program is any kind of "solution" at all (check the IMF study on how taxpayer bailouts of toxic assets are more expensive and less effective) and if there were actually meaningful assistance to homeowners in the bill (like HOLC), I'd be a lot more inclined to run on it.

    As it is, the insane Republican backbenchers will be doing the Lord's work if they manage to get the legislative process back on track by holding this thing up.

    I can't tell you how much TARP -- and since this is a family blog, I can't give the acronym I heard --  reminds me of the AUMF and especially FISA: Same lack of rationale and shifting justifications, same cast of characters, same rush to get something, anything passed before adjournment, and the same rationalization that "we'll fix it later" except now from people who should know better. How'd that work out on the whole no retroactive immunity for telcos thing, anyhow?

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    [Double post, please remove] (none / 0) (#17)
    by lambert on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:05:49 AM EST
    Sorry!

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    Yep (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:39:57 AM EST
    TARP it is.

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    Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (none / 0) (#13)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:02:44 AM EST
    EESA, according to Bush this morning and the LA Times.

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    yes, it is. (none / 0) (#41)
    by cpinva on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 11:20:37 AM EST
    Isn't that one of those things you use to cover up all the crap in your back yard you don't want to have to see or think about?

    larry, if you do some research, you'll find that things are given names, not at random, but for a reason; because they aptly describe what they are.

    my favorite example is "junk bonds". sounds cute, doesn't it? it also very accurately describes the nature of these securities.

    the "LUST" (Leaking Underground Storage Tanks) tax was another of my personal favorites.

    in the present case, if that's truly the acronym, then it very accurately describes this particular piece of legislation: a cover to hide the stench of the mess wall street and the bush administration created, from the general public.


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    Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin (none / 0) (#3)
    by tigercourse on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:45:53 AM EST
    of little minds. And little minds like Pence would drag this country down in the service of their ideology.

    Charlie Rangel (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:49:51 AM EST
    gave a great floor speech. I know Rangel has his little problems now but listen to that speech please.

    It made the points that needed to be made.

    And for you Ron Paul fans (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:50:44 AM EST
    The wacko in action right now.

    He wants to repeal the New Deal.

    Did he tell everyone to buy gold? :D (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:56:11 AM EST
    Too late now.... (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:15:51 AM EST
    the smart people already did that months/years ago....we missed that boat.

    I'm slowly converting my currency into cans of Chef Boyardee...the soundest investment I'm aware of right now....because you can eat Chef Boyardee.  Ya can't eat dollar bills or gold bars.

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    Junk silver? (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Semanticleo on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:28:50 AM EST
    Stock up on currency that has intrinsic value.

    As a back-up have plenty of coffee, salt and sugar for trading purposes.

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    Soon Chef Boyardee will be KING :) (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:35:10 AM EST
    Cash will soon be the court jester.

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    Lol.... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:42:42 AM EST
    I'll have cans to trade...Beefaroni, Mini-Ravioli, Spaghetti-O's, you name it....if you've got access to tobacco, reefer, and bathtub gin:)

    Let's see the leeches suck out their living from a barter economy:)

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    My great grandfather paid off the (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 11:00:40 AM EST
    family ranch bootlegging.  Then a bought a second one and became suspicious.  Did a year in Canyon City for being an untaxable entrepreneur.

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    Sounds like a character.... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 11:40:24 AM EST
    your great grand-dad....and amongst some of the best historical company, being an ex-con.

    SOME IS RICH, AND SOME IS POOR
    THAT'S THE WAY THE WORLD IS
    BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IN LYING BACK
    SAYlN' HOW BAD YOUR LUCK IS

    - The Clash, "Bankrobber"



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    Pretty much (none / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:11:07 AM EST
    Oh No (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:52:01 AM EST
    Is this on C-span?

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    Yep (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:54:05 AM EST
    Okay, I have one thing to be (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:59:04 AM EST
    happy about today.  One thing made me giggle too.  Today has possibilities.

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    Oneupmanship from Issa (none / 0) (#31)
    by Lahdee on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:29:59 AM EST
    Issa thinks this bill puts a coffin on top of the coffin Reagan's in. Yep, he thinks this puts a stake in the heart Reaganomics.
    He warns us he'll be back next year to deal with it.

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    I could never (none / 0) (#50)
    by cal1942 on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 01:09:12 PM EST
    understand the appeal of Ron Paul.

    All this clown said was the nation is screwed up and the Iraq War is a mistake.

    Now he was right about the Iraq War.  That's a no-brainer.  Likely a huge majority of the people who post and comment here knew the Iraq War was a massive blunder when it was first marketed.

    That the nation is screwed up is also true but Ron Paul's idea of what is needed to unscrew it and the ideas that would in fact unscrew it were and are completely at odds.

    Paul is just another libertarian whack job that got traction only because he sounded at odds with the other Republicans in the primary race.

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    I don't agree that this bailout buys us time (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:57:15 AM EST
    It doesn't buy us quality time, it only buys us different time.  I think its only redeeming quality is that it is a distraction that something is being done while the candidates race to the White House.  This bailout will not prevent financial crash for us though, it will only distract us until November.

    Which, of course is why the people in real races (none / 0) (#14)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:05:04 AM EST
    are supporting it. No one wants it to be an issue beyond this week. Think that had anything to do with the timing of when Bush and Paulson brought it up?

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    No, I don't. The failure of institutions like (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by tigercourse on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:08:14 AM EST
    AIG and the impending failure of huge banks like Washington Mutual and Wachovia brought it up.

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    Well, you have a right to that opinion (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:13:20 AM EST
    someone will write a tell-all in a year or so and we will find out.

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    What if this bailout does what LaRouche is (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:16:03 AM EST
    predicting though.

    If the bailout is passed, this will not solve anything. It will trigger Weimar hyperinflation immediately


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    Here's something odd (none / 0) (#21)
    by Steve M on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:12:06 AM EST
    Reading up on the Citi/Wachovia transaction that was reported this morning, it actually bears a striking resemblance to the "completely bizarre and unworkable" proposal advanced by the House Republicans.  To wit:

    The FDIC said it had entered into a loss-sharing arrangement on a $312bn pool of loans with Citigroup. Citigroup will absorb up to $42bn of losses on the loans and the FDIC will be responsible for losses beyond that. In return for taking on that risk, Citigroup will give the FDIC $12bn in preferred stock and warrants.

    So Wachovia has a pool of sketchy loans that are impaired in some fashion.  Instead of just having the Feds buy these loans altogether, a private purchaser (Citi) is getting them at a bargain price, with their exposure capped at $42 billion so they can assign a solid value to the loans for accounting purposes.  The FDIC has provided "insurance" by promising to eat any losses in excess of $42 billion, and in exchange, it receives $12 billion in Citi preferred stock and warrants.

    Now, if I'm Mike Pence, I'm like "Isn't this the thing you just told me was a crazy idea?  Why can't you use this transaction as the model for dealing with all the other impaired securities?"  It's not quite that simple, of course, but it's actually interesting food for thought.

    The GOP plan had no equity provisions (none / 0) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:15:57 AM EST
    I see no resemblance at all.

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    The equity is a separate issue (none / 0) (#28)
    by Steve M on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:21:49 AM EST
    The issue is whether the government will buy up bad loans itself, or simply insure/guarantee them and let the market sort it out.

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    Whoa, Nellie. (none / 0) (#32)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:31:13 AM EST
    The FDIC said it had entered into a loss-sharing arrangement on a $312bn pool of loans with Citigroup. Citigroup will absorb up to $42bn of losses on the loans and the FDIC will be responsible for losses beyond that

    That still leaves, in the worst case scenario, $270 billion dollars of exposure on those loans.  The FDIC currently has something like $45 billion in assets -- isn't that why they had to arrange that fire sale at WaMu, so a failure wouldn't take out half of the FDIC's remaining assets?

    Sounds like the FDIC could already be broke if those loans are worse than the parties believe.

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    Well (none / 0) (#34)
    by Steve M on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:36:39 AM EST
    This gives you a sense of why the feds have to act as a broker rather than simply buying up all the sketchy loans from everyone.  $312 billion of loans at just one bank!  But there's not much of an upside from doing it this way.

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    Re: Whoa (none / 0) (#42)
    by wasabi on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 11:22:57 AM EST
    The FDIC reported in August that IndyBank's cost will be even worse than its previous worst-case-scenario estimate: $8.9 billion.

    This put the FDIC below it's mandated level.  The FDIC board will consider in October a proposal to raise the premiums, which currently range from 5 cents to 43 cents per $100 of deposits, depending on how well capitalized the institution is.


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    You have to admit (none / 0) (#27)
    by OldCity on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:17:20 AM EST
    that it's fascinating to watch the people who created the problem (or opportunity for the problem to develop) argue against fixing the problem, using the same logic.

    I don't love the plan...but what I'm seeing is a group of people (Republicans) with such a simplistic view of a complex problem that the very fact that they are given credibility by some commentators is amazing.

    These guys have no understanding of financial instruments, of markets or insurance, or the ramifications of failure.  Obviously, the world economy isn't going to stop overnight if a deal is not done, but the people who most need ready access to credit won't have it, and that will have a deleterious effect on the economic picture of smaller congressional districts that are largely populated by small businesses or farms.  

    If you want to polarize the electorate against "fatcats", fellas, maybe you shouldn't have enabled them in the first place.  This isn't a court case, where you get to plead inconsistently...  

    I would think a true.... (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:45:53 AM EST
    free-marketeer (not the phony rigged-marketeers who pass for free-marketeers) would see no problem...banks who can't make a profit are failing, as any entity who can't make a profit should in a truly free market.

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    These are the people who ran for office (none / 0) (#52)
    by cal1942 on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 01:27:52 PM EST
    while claiming they weren't politicians.  They got elected on that ridiculous claim and the simplistic bromides they offered for complex problems. Backed by the same type of people who originally promoted Ronald Reagan for Governor. Elected to office by the same people who thought that term limits were a swell idea.

    We get the government we deserve.

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    Listening to the Republicans on C-Span (none / 0) (#36)
    by themomcat on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:43:11 AM EST
    makes me laugh and cringe at the same time. The R's that are adamantly opposed to this bill are blaming the Democrats for their bad judgment and opposition to oversight of the financial market. Blame anyone but those who created this mess.


    What's Democratic about it?  There's no help for homeowners, no HOLC, no nothing that looks even vaguely progressive.

    HOLC? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Radix on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:55:36 AM EST
    What's to stop Congress from renegotiating those loans once we own them, nothing? Once the cough bailout takes place, We the People will own a whole lotta real estate, what's to stop Congress from salvaging what they can at that time?

    If only.... (none / 0) (#43)
    by oldpro on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 11:28:52 AM EST
    but it's not gonna happen...not with this candidate.  Not unless he has lunch with Bill Clinton every damn day of the week.

    The problem with a debate... (none / 0) (#44)
    by marian evans on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 11:32:48 AM EST
    between Republican and Democrat platforms is that you are NOT having it.

    This is one of the most disturbing aspects of this election. Both candidates frame themselves in essentially non-partisan or "post-partisan" ways. McCain packages himself as the maverick outsider from his own party. Obama acts as if the Dem brand were a bad smell under his nose...as if someone farted in public, and everyone had to studiously avoid drawing attention to it!

    Naively, it seems to me, many people see the post-partisan attitude as a good thing...as if politics was seamy and sordid and somehow socially unacceptable (this might describe politicians - if not politics!). The whole anti-Clinton craziness has its roots somewhere here. In fact, both Clintons are first-rate politicians...which is a compliment. Politics is the process of negotiation in which societies engage in order to address the competing needs of its various participating interest groups. And when we are lucky we have skilled politicians who are able to lead and channel those negotiations in ways that achieve benefit to the majority of society.

    This, folks, is a good thing!!!

    The whole "post-partisan" mindset is more than naive....it is dangerous. Our system of stable democracies has been premised on the development of political parties with party platforms and accountable organizational structures, which enable us to engage in the necessary political "negotiations" in ways that are (relatively) transparent, and ultimately audited by us - the electorate.

    What we are seeing, particularly in the Obama campaign, is the focusing of the campaign not on party values and goals, but on Obama as an individual. The problem with this should not need a microscope for anyone with political nous to see.

    I am reminded of the period of the fall of the Roman republic when the traditional political process was undermined by powerful individuals who created personal power bases, including private militias loyal only to them. The result was the end of the political process as the Romans had known it. It ended in tyranny - e.g.the bloody dictatorships of Marius and Sulla - and the eventual rise of the Empire. The Republic was dead.

    I am not suggesting that America is tipping into tyranny next week, but rather a century-long decline, in which this election continues the process, begun by Bush's weak and corrupt government, of the devolution of your cherished institutions.

    You don't need less politics - you need more. You need to nurture and support your partisan political system. You do need debate. You do need open discussion and intelligent and engaged analysis - even if sometimes you disagree with those who say it. Because the opposite of politics is not "peace and harmony", but civil strife and tyranny.

    I'm (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 12:03:39 PM EST
    all for running against Republicanism but with Pelosi insisting things need to be bipartisan it seems that she's just undercutting that message every time.

    Indivdualism (none / 0) (#47)
    by Wile ECoyote on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 12:34:17 PM EST
    is no longer part of the progressive lexicon.

    Cradle to grave gov't is the future.

    Or the conservative... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 12:58:09 PM EST
    unfortunately...that's the real surprise.

    Individualism and personal/corporate responsibility may well be dead...until it all inevitably blows up in the collective face, that is.

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    Parrot Pence (none / 0) (#48)
    by redford on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 12:48:29 PM EST
    Mike Pence aka "...looks like a market in Indiana", has not yet shown he has an original thought, sense of the world or the ability to process information.

    He continues to parrot the hard-line Republican line which has proven to be failed.  Has he changed?...Will he change?  In his terms, Absolutely not!

    The Parrot will continue to fail Indiana and our country by appealing to the worst in people, not the best.  The Parrot will exploit issues such as a woman's right of choice, religion in government, war as an answer and an energy policy which is based on, "Drill baby drill".

    Pence the Parrot will keep his job as long as there are those who choose not to think...merely content to parrot the easy way out of an issue.