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    Happy birthday Jeralyn!! (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Steve M on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 12:53:17 PM EST
    Your son is very sweet.

    Happy birthday Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Democratic Cat on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 07:30:09 PM EST
    and many happy returns! You make the blogosphere a nicer place to hang out. I hope you had a wonderful day.

    Happy Birthday! (none / 0) (#2)
    by Korzhanenko on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 12:55:47 PM EST
    Visiting Free Republic makes me sad. Wow, that place is filled with... I just don't know how to describe it.

    But wow. They expect a Bradley effect of 7 points?

    Who would delight in such a thing?

    It's setting up a simplistic explanation (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 01:25:30 PM EST
    that the media love -- they love them that Bradley Effect, despite their use of it that does not meet the definition nor its negation by studies.

    Setting up for what?  For an explanation of a  McCain win, to deflect from attention to voter suppression.  That's the grassy knoll I'm standing on to explain this fascination with and misinformation about the Bradley Effect.

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    So the Bradley Effect (none / 0) (#49)
    by WS on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 06:20:28 PM EST
    never existed?  Or did it exist sometime ago (the time of Wilder and Bradley) and not so much now?

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    There is very little evidence (none / 0) (#50)
    by Steve M on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 06:48:49 PM EST
    for the Wilder/Bradley effect even in the elections of Wilder and Bradley.

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    Well, as pollster.com puts it (none / 0) (#58)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 08:58:32 PM EST
    if you believe that a Bradley Effect occurred in New Hampshire's primary, for example -- as Eugene Robinson and Donna Brazile and others immediately claimed -- then you also have to believe that it only occurs with women.:-)

    There is much more on the pollster site about it, but after considerable discussion and analysis and more by the experts on polling, here is one alternative upon which many appear to agree:  That it is more the effect of age than race, i.e., the youth of most callers (I get called in my swing state a lot and can attest to that) vs. the age of older voters.

    Respondents may be making judgements about the exit poll interviewers based on their [voice or] appearance (age, gender and race) that influence whether they agree to participate or avoid the interviewer altogether. Similarly, while  interviewers are supposed to be . . . sticking rigidly to instructions . . . anecdotal evidence suggests that those with less experience often deviate from the procedure and "take who they can get." So less experienced, overburdened interviewers are probably making judgments about which respondents (based on their age, gender and race) might be most likely to cooperate. . . .


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    I'm a Hillary supporter (none / 0) (#74)
    by WS on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 03:30:13 PM EST
    so of course I didn't think her NH victory was due to the Bradley effect.  And I think Obama supporters believe that too.  

    I was just worried if the fabled Bradley Effect would show up in the GE.  Republicans are certainly hoping for it.  

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    I just think about how happy I'm going (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 06:10:57 PM EST
    to be when no noticeable bradley effect takes place.  God please allow this election to be the last election that I have to hear bull$h*t about the bradley effect.  Please make it something that only makes sense to Limbats blown out of their minds on oxycontin.....In Jesus Name I Pray, Amen.  There are always going to be certain people out there who will only go to a certain place kicking and screaming and so be it.

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    Canvassing today (none / 0) (#61)
    by lilburro on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 09:36:33 PM EST
    I was paired with a somewhat older woman who mentioned in passing that a lot of people she knows still won't vote for a black man for President.  I am in coastal NC.  I encountered a similar thing with a few retiree-aged volunteers for Hillary back in January in SC.  

    I know that in itself isn't the Bradley effect.  I don't know whether these particular people would tell a pollster they were voting for Obama despite intending otherwise.  

    I'm not sure if there's any way a Bradley effect could be minimized.  Are people saying they'd vote for Obama (though they won't) after a barrage of questions about party affiliation and other downticket candidates (or in anticipation of a barrage of questions)?  What makes people practice en masse a certain type of lying (lying based on race)?  

    I think the effect could potentially crop up in some states more than others.

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    There will be some (none / 0) (#62)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 09:47:35 PM EST
    who won't vote for one or the other of the tickets for various reasons -- age, gender, religion, etc.  

    Of course, in the case of Obama -- would they vote Dem, anyway?  Especially in red states such as North Carolina?

    And then, the question is -- will they be polled?  They have to be polled, and lie, to begin to create the Bradley Effect.

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    the labor unions (none / 0) (#66)
    by of1000Kings on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 11:06:26 PM EST
    seem to believe there will be more dissension in their ranks than usual in this election, and they believe that is because of race...

    as we all know unions are pretty much by-the-line voters...

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    Really? Unions at my workplace (none / 0) (#67)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 12:26:10 AM EST
    are out pounding the pavement for Obama, and I haven't heard of resistance.  But then, I haven't had much chance to talk to those doing this.  (I can't belong to a union so don't have inside info.)

    If the unions are divided on this, it's trouble for the Dems in some of the swing states.  So I'd be interested in sources on this and on where it's happening.

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    There will always be regional biases (none / 0) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 07:50:29 AM EST
    against certain candidates.  If all fifty states don't participate in racism is it the bradley effect or is it just regional racists voting?

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    Freepers (none / 0) (#3)
    by rdandrea on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    n/t

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    Happy Birthday Jeralyn (none / 0) (#4)
    by Lahdee on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Very pretty flowers.


    Happy Birthday! Hope it really is happy. (none / 0) (#5)
    by Angel on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 01:04:16 PM EST


    Happy Birthday Jeralyn! (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 01:11:13 PM EST
    Enjoy it!

    Is this video the real deal? (none / 0) (#7)
    by tootired on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 01:20:16 PM EST
    Obama's Missouri Truth Squads

    Missouri's Governor has issued a statement. I know that it's common for candidates to have teams of supporters who try to keep false stories from being spread, but isn't it unusual to use law enforcement officials?

    This is reprehensive, no matter who (none / 0) (#19)
    by hairspray on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 02:20:40 PM EST
    does it.  Using state and federal officers to campaign for a candidate really crosses the line. It msy be called a "truth squad" but it is the job of the campaign itself to get their message out.  Shame!

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    I THINK it's more an outgrowth of (none / 0) (#54)
    by andrys on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 08:15:48 PM EST
    Obama's exhorting his supporters to 'argue' and get "into the face" of those who he feels are pushing misleading info on him.

      The San Francisco Chronicle, on September 17, said,

    "In Elko, Obama tried to anticipate his critics and called on the crowd of about 1,500 to sharpen their elbows, too.

    'I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

    "And if they tell you that, 'Well, we're not sure where he stands on guns.' I want you to say, 'He believes in the Second Amendment.' If they tell you, 'Well, he's going to raise your taxes,' you say, 'No, he's not, he's going lower them.' You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case.'


    Here's a story on this by a Missouri newspaper.

    And a piece by the newspaper in my town (San Francisco), which asks:

    "Even if the officeholders joining the "truth squad" are nominally stepping out of their official roles in order to put on their (political) party hats and play politics, it's inappropriate. They wield too much power to use it to wag their fingers at people who say un-nice things about political hopefuls. Prosecutors and sheriffs are, after all, normally thought of as people with the clout to put their targets behind bars."



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    This will backfire. Even if the officials (none / 0) (#63)
    by hairspray on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 10:33:23 PM EST
    do it on their own time, it smacks of police scare tactics and should give reasonable people pause.

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    As citizens, they have free speech rights, too. (none / 0) (#53)
    by Realleft on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 07:53:25 PM EST
    I believe that no one is involved in official capacity, and all they are doing is expressing opinions as citizens attempting to correct factual errors and misleading statements in ads.  To my knowledge, both campaigns have them and they are interested individuals doing this on their own time.  No law enforcement, prosecution, or threats of such involved.  Now, the governor, apparently in official capacity, decrying this in a misleading, accusatory and political way, well, might need to look further into that.

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    My state does not allow it (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 08:22:40 PM EST
    if we use our titles, as is done in this case.  Nor can I wear a candidate button or t-shirt when at work, nor can I post a poster on my office door, use my official stationery, etc.  I cannot sign a political petition using my state title, my state email, etc.

    We state employees did win an interpretation that allows us to be political volunteers on our own time, as private citizens.  But we better be sure to be doing so as private citizens.  So if we volunteer on a workday, we have to take a vacation day.

    And I support this, absolutely.  I'm paid by taxpayers on both sides.  In my work, I deal with -- and have a position of power over -- taxpayers from both sides.

    Plus, in my private citizen life, I don't want to walk into a tax-paid workplace and have to see buttons and signs and such for the other side.

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    Whether a prosecuter or a sheriff (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by tootired on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 08:25:23 PM EST
    is acting in an official capacity or not, their positions of authority make them intimidating.

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    Best line I read this morning... (none / 0) (#8)
    by barryluda on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 01:21:46 PM EST
    at the end of Frank Rich's OpEd in the New York Times:

    "[McCain] may be the first presidential candidate in our history to risk wrecking the country even before being voted into the Oval Office."

    Happy Birthday  Jeralyn!  I'll be sure to donate to TL again before the end of the day.


    I stopped reading Frank Rich when (none / 0) (#64)
    by hairspray on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 10:39:32 PM EST
    he set out to destroy Al Gore and accomplished his goal.   In 2008 it was a vendetta against HRC.  This guy it not my type.

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    U-S-A!! U-S-A!! (none / 0) (#11)
    by Xclusionary Rule 4ever on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 01:27:10 PM EST
    Did you all notice how when Code Pink or whoever it was held up a protest sign at the RNC that the crowd tried shouting them down saying U-S-A U-S-A?  Well, every time McCain or his surrogates are asked specific questions about foreign policy or economics they launch into either "support the troops" "God Bless America" or something about Hanoi.  This is the same as shouting U-S-A everytime someone asks a critical question.  I think Obama should start chanting U-S-A at the next debate the next time McCain responds to a tough question with empty patriotic drivel.
    This could be the "there you go again" catch phrase people remember from the 08 debates

    Or the (none / 0) (#21)
    by Korzhanenko on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 02:25:22 PM EST
    "What the f---?" moment. He just needs a nice line that is recyclable - not schoolyard chants ^_^.

    I really did like "John McCain and Bush broke it, I'll fix it" or "They broke it, I'll fix it".

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    A Present: (none / 0) (#12)
    by Korzhanenko on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 01:27:21 PM EST
    Happy, Happy, Jeralyn. (none / 0) (#13)
    by oldpro on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 01:32:40 PM EST
    I'll send you a paypal present later today!

    Happy Birthday Jeralyn! (none / 0) (#14)
    by proudliberaldem on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 01:48:31 PM EST
    Hope you have a great day!

    Double Standard of Red Neck Anti-Americanism (none / 0) (#16)
    by Exeter on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 01:57:34 PM EST
    Hearing an angry Reverend Wright rail against America was considered a game-ender for Obama, but why isn't it a game-ender for Palin? Indeed, it is barely mentioned, if at all, that she was part of a group (Alaska Independence Party) that, as a platform, hates America and a leader that has made equally inflamatory remarks as Rev. Wright.

    well (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by connecticut yankee on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 02:06:50 PM EST
    She didnt belong to the group but her husband did.  They thought she did but she wasnt officially a member. It hasnt really registered a blip though.  The AIP was founded by a guy who hated the united states and was killed while trying to purchase plastic explosives.

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    The independence party has been (none / 0) (#20)
    by hairspray on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 02:24:58 PM EST
    debunked.  Go to Pajamas Media and look through the links to find the Sara Palin myths debunked (I am unable to link here) and read up.  Stop repeating sh**.

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    I think this is the link (none / 0) (#59)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 09:00:39 PM EST
    noted in the comment above:  Fact and Fiction.

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    was not on he membership rolls of the Alaskan Independence Party, her husband Todd was, for many years, including the entire period that Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla.

    Suppose there were solid evidence that, as recently as six years ago, Michelle Obama was a member of an openly secessionist fringe party?

    As for Sarah Palin herself, your link includes this allegation:

    at least two AIP officials recall her attending the 1994 convention, though she says she did not attend.
    The article does not mention her videotaped 'Welcome' message to the 2008 AIP convention, in which she said, "I share your party's vision for upholding the Constitution of our great state." She concludes, "Keep up the good work, and God bless you."

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    hm (none / 0) (#17)
    by connecticut yankee on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 02:03:12 PM EST
    A Salon article from a few weeks ago had a bit more detail about her YEC creationist beliefs but they quoted the same guy, who played at her church iirc.  In that article she reportedly said that she and her father, a science teacher, could agree to disagree.

    It's a part of the platform of the AK republican party to allow equal time for "creation science" and to insist that evolution be characterized as "just a theory".   So they seem to have quite a hold up there.

    My concern is that as a potential President she could push this stuff a lot further once she has a friendlier court.

    TL Kid (none / 0) (#22)
    by befuddledvoter on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 02:39:50 PM EST
    has great taste!!  I love the flowers!!  Happy Birthday, Jeralyn, and may you have many more happy and productive years.  Thank you for all you do.  

    Happy Birthday and many more! (none / 0) (#23)
    by BarnBabe on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 02:44:01 PM EST
    I always dread knowing a birthday is coming up. Another year older and another year wiser and is my face getting longer. But then the big day comes and family and friends make a fuss over me and although embarrassed over the attention I really do enjoy it.

    Enjoy your day too.

    Happy Birthday and (none / 0) (#24)
    by hairspray on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 03:00:25 PM EST
    kudos for managing a very good site.  Can you give me you address again so I can mail the check as I don't paypal.

    snail mail (none / 0) (#26)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 03:15:55 PM EST
    is here (its in a graphic so that it isn't picked up by spammers.)  Thanks, Hairspray!

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    Thanks Everyone (none / 0) (#25)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 03:14:23 PM EST
    It's a gorgeous day here. I just got back from visiting my mom at the nursing home and the TL kid and I are going to go see Eagle Eye and go out for some Vietnamese food.

    Thanks to all for your good wishes, they really make the day more special, and while I know I'm not old, I really dislike the number. I can't even bring myself to type it!

    And thanks to those of you who contributed, I will send you each a thank you email this week.

    Sounds like a lovely day, Jeralyn (none / 0) (#27)
    by shoephone on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 03:20:05 PM EST
    And you're getting to spend it with family. Enjoy every minute!

    Funny, we're all going out for Vietnamese food on my birthday later this week too. It must the new thing...

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    59 (none / 0) (#36)
    by JavaCityPal on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 04:47:58 PM EST
    That was my number this summer, too :) Not so hard to say or type.

    Happy Birthday!!

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    59? (none / 0) (#52)
    by shoephone on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 07:46:16 PM EST
    LOL. I thought you turned the big 5-0 today. Oh well, when you read my card, disregard!

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    The last year before a milestone (none / 0) (#57)
    by MoveThatBus on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 08:36:37 PM EST
    is always great fun!! I loved turning 50, and have just 4 more years before hitting 60.  Maybe that will be worse than I think, but at the moment, I am pretty sure I'll get through it without a problem.  59 is the new 39, right?

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    Happy Birthday (none / 0) (#28)
    by Jjc2008 on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 03:36:52 PM EST
    Enjoy and don't worry about the number.

    I tried to be productive today and do yard work. I hate yard work. As a singly women, sometimes it overwhelms me. As a person in my sixties it is getting harder and harder to climb ladders and trim trees and bushes.  I really want to see my house but thanks to Bush and Wall street this is not the time.

    So while I was cutting bushes, something nasty bit me. And now I have two huge, painful welts on my arm. I took benadryl and while the reaction is minor, it still reminds me of why I despise the greedy wingnuts.

    Are you getting sleepy yet........? (none / 0) (#65)
    by hairspray on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 10:46:56 PM EST
    Brewers!!! Braun and Sabathia (none / 0) (#29)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 03:41:49 PM EST
    did it and are making Mwokee go mad right now . . . SRO at Miller Park still, watching the big screens for the final inning of the Mets-Marlins game.

    Did ya catch the Jets score?! ;) (none / 0) (#30)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 04:01:15 PM EST
    Worse, we watched the Badgers (none / 0) (#31)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 04:34:19 PM EST
    yesterday.  So we take what we get.:-)

    And we give -- I just gave my students extra time on an assignment due tomorrow, and already I'm getting ecstatic emails of gratitude . . . before they go back to party down some more.  

    Then I'll treat them in class this week with my PowerPoint of the celebration in the streets of my town that your town called "Bushville."  Here it is, 51 years later, and you still haven't learned.:-)  

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    Congrats, Cream City (none / 0) (#32)
    by caseyOR on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 04:37:11 PM EST
    Although it it my fervent hope that if my Cubbies meet your Brewers in the NL pennant race my guys play better than they did this weekend.

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    Seems your Cubbies played fine (none / 0) (#33)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 04:41:43 PM EST
    Monday night. Heck, yer damn pitcher hit a Grand Slam! I know . . . I was there and I have it on "film".  ;)

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    Aw, a nice Cubbies fan (none / 0) (#35)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 04:43:54 PM EST
    is a treat to meet.  I heard there were some.:-)

    Right now, we're on every computer in the house, signing on for the lottery here for series tickets.  I would love to win one for the fan in the family who turns 97 this week -- and has been a fan of Milwaukee baseball all of her life.  

    We had to watch her hypertension this weekend!

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    Aww, shucks, CC (none / 0) (#40)
    by caseyOR on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 05:03:39 PM EST
    I did grow up in the midwest, hence "nice" was bred into me. Also, I hail from Peoria, not Chicago, and in central Illinois Cubs fans are forced to coexist with Cardinals fans from a very young age. Plus, I've been out here in the Northwest for more than 30 years and that has softened my persona even more.

    Nonetheless, in the pennant race the gloves are off.

    It would be great if my Mom and my uncle, both in their 80s and rabid Cubs fans, could see their Cubbies go all the way this season.

    I've been wearing my Cubs baseball cap everywhere since opening day this year. I've been amazed at the number of people here in Portland who are pulling for the Cubs this year. Kinda nice.

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    I know what you mean -- (none / 0) (#42)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 05:23:14 PM EST
    as I've got traitors in the family who live in St. Louis and in western Illinois, so we've had to put up with Cardinals fans, too. :-)  Btw, my spouse happened to be in St. Louis for a conference a couple of years ago, downtown, on the night that they won the series on Halloween.  Can you imagine the combination of what he saw in the streets?!  

    And he was chaperoning Midwestern-nice Catholic college students -- all women, all out there in the streets for the fun, too.  He decided not to check to see how many made it to Mass the next morning.:-)

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    My father's (none / 0) (#45)
    by caseyOR on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 05:39:50 PM EST
    second wife was a Cardinal's fan. Although it seems kind of silly now, at the time his quick transfer of allegiance from my Mom's Cubs to his new wife's Cardinals struck my siblings and me as a bit of a betrayal. It was bad enough that he was a terrible father and an absolutely ghastly husband to my mother. But to support the Cardinals! Blasphemy!

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    Yes - amazing (none / 0) (#34)
    by scribe on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 04:43:44 PM EST
    But, even better was the end of the Mets game, per their TV announcer:

    "It's high, it's deep, he's there, and for the second straight year the Marlins have ended the Mets' season in humiliating fashion as the Marlins win, 4-2, and the Mets season is over."

    As a Steelers' fan-blogger once wrote about Browns fans: "Their pain nourishes me".

    CC, you may take some pleasure in this - when the Brewers went ahead 3-1, it was the bottom of the 8th at Shea.  You could hear, on the TV broadcast, as the Brewers' score was posted on the Shea scoreboard - a deep groan.  That came shortly after the Mets bullpen gave up the lead on back-to-back homers, a result (sudden bullpen collapse) I'd predicted as the proximate cause of the Mets' demise.

    But - hey - it's Shea and New York.  Where else would someone steal from the stadium the World Champions pennant - before it could be raised - and hide it in their basement for 14 years, then get busted for trying to sell it on EBay as the Mets returned to the World Series in 2000?  It happened with the Mets' 1986 pennant.

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    A couple of great stories (none / 0) (#37)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 04:50:17 PM EST
    to share with the progeny at the supper table tonight, thanks!

    Right now, they're heading out for Wild Card t-shirts and caps to wear to the massive fan rally planned tomorrow here.  The city will shut down.

    And I'm looking up the playoff schedule to see if I need to reschedule some due dates for papers from my students.  I could stick to the schedule, sure, or I can get realistic -- so I can get to read papers that won't be thrown together at two in the morning.  I've already learned, long ago, to schedule around hunting season here.:-)

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    Ouch, glad I missed the game! (none / 0) (#38)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 04:59:17 PM EST
    I'm having a nice quiet day and sticking with football. I had checked in on the game when it was tied but it just felt like more of a football day so I switched back.

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    Go ahead.... (none / 0) (#69)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:20:09 AM EST
    and pour salt in my wounds scribe:)

    I can't even blame the bullpen, as atrocious as they were most of the year...the gutless wonders can only manage two runs in a do or die last game ever at Shea?  Are you f*ckin' kidding me?The Marlins didn't trot out CC or Beckett or Nolan Freakin' Ryan...we're talking about Scott Olsen here.  Pathetic.

    Oh well, as they've been saying in Chi-Town for 100 years, we'll get 'em next year:)

    The post-game good bye to Shea was pretty cool, seeing my childhood heroes take the field again.  Wally, Nails, Mex, The Kid, Orosco, Darling, Bobby O, Straw, Krusty Slob, and Doc...thanks for the memeories guys, you will live forever in our hearts.

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    I was sorry to see that the Mets... (none / 0) (#71)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:48:40 AM EST
    ...blew it.  I was definately rooting for them over the crappy beer makers!  

    On the bright side for both of us--Spring training is only seven or so months away.

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    Yeah brother... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 10:03:22 AM EST
    hope springs eternal come spring...I figue I should be over this debacle by then:)

    Even though they let us down yesterday, I'll be rooting for the Cubbies from here on out, and the Rays in the AL.  Slay the goat!

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    I just wouldn't want to be Scott Schoenweis (none / 0) (#73)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 11:07:33 AM EST
    and in NY, seeing as how he gave up the winning home run yesterday, the final straw run in last-year's collapse, and was roundly booed during the Opening Day introduction of players at Shea this year.

    He's going to wind up like Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams in Philly, circa November 1993:  sneaking out of town after dark ahead of the mobs with pitchforks and torches.

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    Btw, Jeralyn and Brewers owner (none / 0) (#44)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 05:34:59 PM EST
    Mark Attanasio share a birthday.

    He got a great birthday present today, too.:-)

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    Clinton Endorsement (none / 0) (#39)
    by samtaylor2 on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 04:59:33 PM EST
    Clinton's endorsement of Obama on Meet the press was great.  It wasn't simplistic, which I think some people might thus understand.  I liked how he talked about greatness as something that he thinks he can accomplish.

    Not according to some at Open Left (CDS ville) (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by WS on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 05:11:21 PM EST
    Open Left aka CDS ville Do they wear CDS goggles on everytime a Clinton comes on TV?  Bill is trying to go after people who like both candidates and are undecided to go for Obama.  

    They think that rabid hate and constantly tearing down McCain will pull people to the Obama/Dem camp when convincing people requires sometimes more subtlety especially from a former President.    

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    Sign of the times ... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 05:29:15 PM EST
    on THIS WEEK this morning, they had a 17 minute round table discussion.  It was all about the economy.  Not one second was devoted to the debate.  And the presidential campaigns were only mentioned in passing.

    Although I think Obama is likely to win because of the lousy economy.  There is a looming danger if the press coverage continues to exclude him from the discussion.

    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#46)
    by kredwyn on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 06:00:57 PM EST
    I posted one of those "Support Down Ticket Dems" diaries.

    Happy Bday Jeralyn (none / 0) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 06:03:17 PM EST


    Happy birthday Jeralyn! (none / 0) (#60)
    by lilburro on Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 09:25:26 PM EST
    You provide a great site that keeps me thinking.

    Allright, Eagles pick off Bears in the endzone!  Just as I was about to ask you to share some of that birthday luck.  :)