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    Kudos to this blog for staying classy (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by democrattotheend on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:24:22 PM EST
    I don't post here much...I supported Obama during the primaries so I've never fully felt comfortable here. But right now I am kind of upset at the way some people at Kos and other blogs are behaving...Obama was extremely classy with his response to the Bristol Palin controversy, but sadly, some people at other sites are not following his lead. So I just wanted to say kudos to the people here for taking the high road...there are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Sarah Palin, but her daughter is not one of them.

    Thanks, but please do not mention (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:46:45 PM EST
    her personal life or children at all.

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    So we are not (none / 0) (#20)
    by eric on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:52:12 PM EST
    to acknowledge even their existence?

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    Her children (none / 0) (#35)
    by TChris on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:32:34 PM EST
    do not need to be mentioned.

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    wounds like a warning to me (5.00 / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:31:32 PM EST
    A nervous young McCain staffer took it upon himself to explain to Palin the facts of life in a national campaign, the intense scrutiny she'd be under from the media, the viciousness of the assault that she'd be facing, etc.:

    Palin: "Thanks for the warning. By the way, do you know what they say the difference is between a hockey mom and a Pit Bull?"

    McCain aide: "No, Governor."

    Palin: "A hockey mom wears lipstick."

    heh (none / 0) (#8)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:33:03 PM EST
    that should have been sounds like
    but maybe I was right the first time.

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    Yeah, I think you got ... (5.00 / 0) (#14)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:37:35 PM EST
    it right the first time.

    ;)

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    Where did you hear or see this (none / 0) (#11)
    by zfran on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:34:40 PM EST
    story Capt.?

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    it was from Bill Kristols (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:37:41 PM EST
    blog at the weekly standard.
    I wont link.
    ;-)


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    Kristol is working hard ... (none / 0) (#25)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:57:00 PM EST
    to recast Palin as a folk hero.

    I thought the thing Capt posted was just a joke making the rounds.  But Kristol opens with this:

    McCain aides whose judgment I trust are impressed by Sarah Palin. One was particularly amused by this exchange:

    This at least allows one to believe this exchange truly happened.

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    I believe (none / 0) (#32)
    by Grace on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:18:51 PM EST
    for most women to climb to the top of any profession, they have to be pretty tough.  At least that's been my experience.  

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    Only if (none / 0) (#43)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 05:35:14 AM EST
    she is progressive.

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    Chris, chris, chris. . . (none / 0) (#2)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:26:14 PM EST
    Please remember the rules.

    (I'm sorry, but this constitutes an attractive nuisance it's beyond my ability to resist.  I know you need to do what you need to do, no offense taken.)

    If only other people had remembered the rules, we wouldn't be having this brou-ha-ha.

    Just heard Sally Quinn (none / 0) (#3)
    by bjorn on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:29:47 PM EST
    berating Palin on CNN.  I have to admit it kinda makes me want to root for Palin, not vote for her mind you. But I hope she ends up having something positive to offer so the hyenas will get off her back.  Sally had nothing to say about her executive abilities, it was all family and gender-related arguments against her.

    she is so vile (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:32:31 PM EST
    I think she got a additional 5-7 points for McCain Palin this weekend.
    she is unbelievable.


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    I don't share your optimism (5.00 / 0) (#17)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:40:07 PM EST
    about this strategy backfiring unfortunately. The personal attacks and smears worked against Hillary and I think they will also work against Palin. And I find it disgusting, whether directed at a man or woman, republican or democrat.

    They just have no shame.

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    you may be right (5.00 / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:47:44 PM EST
    but I think this is different.  for several reasons.
    first being that was Hillary so completely different rules.
    this is so far beyond the pale it can honestly only backfire.  
    again the undiscussed "other".  wanting to see medical records for them both????
    I cant even remember anything that disgusting and low ever being leveled at Hillary from any reputable source.


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    I know - it's a new low (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:55:42 PM EST
    But I've realized that are a lot of haters that really do thrive on this stuff.

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    I think this is an ... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:13:45 PM EST
    important distinction.

    The attacks are wrong.  If they work they're wrong.  If they don't work they're wrong.

    I think the important line to keep in mind is:

    There are no ends, only means.


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    Yep. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:35:59 PM EST
    It's like the McCain campaign knew exactly the kind of response the media would give towards her.

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    yes (5.00 / 0) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:39:16 PM EST
    I  think they anticipated a response, but who, including you or me, would have expected what has happened?
    they are dancing on the ceiling at the RNC.

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    I heard her article on this was (5.00 / 0) (#7)
    by zfran on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:32:56 PM EST
    coming out today. Personally, I guess it's only liberal women who get to run for high office and even then, it seems, they get no respect at all. I agree with BTD that this is not the avenue dems should be taking. It is pushing people to her defense. When she does speak at the convention they are going to have a heck of an audience!

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    audience (5.00 / 0) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:34:03 PM EST
    I would not be surprised is the numbers are near Obamas.

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    Sally Quinn is ugly from the inside out... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:03:09 PM EST


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    Rotten to the core? (none / 0) (#34)
    by Grace on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:20:57 PM EST


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    exactly... (none / 0) (#39)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 05:21:23 PM EST


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    Mrs. Ben Bradlee talking about family vaues (none / 0) (#6)
    by Katherine Graham Cracker on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:32:34 PM EST
    Ah shall we revisit what she has said about the Clintons or the Carters.

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    She's (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:33:37 PM EST
    gaining a lot of sympathy from women voters. Even the ones who don't like her ideology are relating to the fact that she's being attacked because she's a working mother. And the Palin/Obama experience debate is simply silly.

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    Why... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Brillo on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:53:59 PM EST
    Are people still saying this when all the polls are saying exactly the opposite?  Just waiting for the backlash to 'kick in'?  

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    what pols (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:59:23 PM EST
    exactly?

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    The Polls... (2.00 / 0) (#28)
    by Brillo on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:07:49 PM EST
    All the polls out today and yesterday?  Everything is not only showing more gains for Obama after the initial stall from the Palin announcement, but now they're showing all the Clinton suporters coming over, and women not responding well to McCain's pick of Palin at all.  

    Just wondering, at what point do we stop waiting and fretting over the impending 'backlash'?  Friday?  Next friday?  Cause I've been hearing about it all week.

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    try Nov 4th (5.00 / 0) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:08:42 PM EST
    k?

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    How About... (2.00 / 0) (#31)
    by Brillo on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:16:45 PM EST
    I'll stop talking about the lack of a backlash just as soon as you all stop talking about the impending backlash?

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    how about this (5.00 / 0) (#36)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:37:48 PM EST
    talk about whatever you like and I will ignore you?

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    Google Chrom (none / 0) (#21)
    by eric on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:53:31 PM EST
    I am trying it out right now.  So far, I'd say it is pretty slick.

    Chrome (none / 0) (#22)
    by eric on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:53:52 PM EST
    that is.

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    Calling Palin Governor (none / 0) (#37)
    by daring grace on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 04:54:50 PM EST
    On another thread, I requested that another writer use the term Governor in a post where they called Palin MRS. Palin and then their message disappeared.

    Then another person asked me why, when I never seem to call Obama SENATOR Obama did I ask that about Palin.

    Well, as I said, the first 'Mrs.' post had vanished (or maybe I dreamed it was there in the first place, at my age more and more a possibility).

    So I just wanted to say that I have found it more common that women politicians are called Ms. or Mrs. instead of their title--senator, governor. It's not that often, but I seldom see it with male politicians and it irks me.

    So if I ever see anyone calling him MR Obama, I'll ask them to say Senator...or hopefully, soon, President.

    Watching these vides at the RNC..... (none / 0) (#41)
    by Oje on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 07:18:48 PM EST
    A thought runs through my head.....

    The Republican National Convention, brought to you by the Parallax Corporation.

    Palin's Attorney-Ken Starr Was Political Vandetta (none / 0) (#42)
    by john horse on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 07:56:28 PM EST
    I would like some of my GOP friends to comment on this quote from Palins attorney Thomas Van Flein about the state senator (Hollis French) charged with overseeing the investigation of Troopergate. Specifically in defending Palin, he makes an assertion that the Ken Starr investigation was a "political vandetta".  

    "Our concern is that Hollis French turns into Ken Starr and uses public money to pursue a political vendetta rather than truly pursue an honest inquiry into an alleged ethics issue,"

    Isn't Palin's attorney implying that all those GOP leaders who were involved in Clinton's impeachment were a bunch of liars since they all denied that politics had anything to do with it?  

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