home

Think The GOP Will Use This?

Link. I imagine they might. Here's my question - how is it funny? Maybe my stupidity is blocking my sense of humor here, but I do not get the funny.

This is an Open Thread. And I speak for me only. Maybe J or Chris think it is funny.

< Timing Is Everything | Tuesday Night Open Thread >
  • The Online Magazine with Liberal coverage of crime-related political and injustice news

  • Contribute To TalkLeft


  • Display: Sort:
    I don't (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:36:39 PM EST
    know. It doesn't sound really mean. Nor does it sound funny. It mostly sounds stupid to me.

    I think the mean (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:40:29 PM EST
    is the implication, I admit I can not make head or tail of it frankly, that the post is making fun of the names of Sarah Palin's children.

    I assume that will be the GOP line of attack.

    Let me put it this way, if I worked for McCain, I would be demanding they "denounce and reject" the post and see if I could get the Media to bite on it.

    Parent

    Might seem like whining (none / 0) (#11)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:43:16 PM EST
    but they could complain that "children should be off limits"

    Parent
    Indeed (none / 0) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:45:38 PM EST
    You got the soundbite - "attacking Sarah Palin's children."

    I doubt calling it "Whining" is gonna be an effective defense.

    I hope they do not get mileage out of it. I imagine if they do, Obama will have to denounce and reject it.

    Parent

    Doesn't have to be explicit (none / 0) (#41)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:52:45 PM EST
    it just may seem like much ado about nothing...like the lipstick faux outrage. I thought McCain Palin looked pretty whiny.

    But I guess you never know what is going to stick, do you?

    For instance, I thought this story was pretty outrageous:

    WASHINGTON - Activists at a conservative political forum snapped up boxes of waffle mix depicting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama as a racial stereotype on its front and wearing an Arab-like headdress on its top flap.

    but it did not appear to have legs. Probably because it was through a third party, as dKos is.

    Parent

    This is nothing like Lipsitck (none / 0) (#57)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:57:17 PM EST
    Not even close.

    Kids are involved. That changes everything.

    Parent

    but it's also (none / 0) (#109)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:15:20 PM EST
    not seriously mean.

    Parent
    It is pretty mean (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:19:59 PM EST
    if I understand the joke correctly.

    Parent
    eh... (none / 0) (#144)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:25:58 PM EST
    not in my opinion. But I couldn't get on to the website and I just read the article.

    Parent
    Have you seen a picture of (none / 0) (#75)
    by litigatormom on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:02:35 PM EST
    that waffle mix box?  It's pretty outrageous, with a much darker Obama with bigger lips and a vaguely Arabic looking veil behind his head. Take a look.

    After the group "realized" that it was offensive, they closed the vendor's display. How could they have been expected to recognize immediately that depicting a black presidential candidate as a male version of Aunt Jemima was racist.  Just like that poor guy from Georgia who "didn't know" that using the word "uppity" in reference to African-Americans was racist.

    Parent

    Why? (none / 0) (#102)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:11:23 PM EST
    MissLaura is no Obama surrogate.

    Lots of stupid things are said on the internet.

    And as for comparisons to that diary about Sarah being the mother of Bristol's baby, I think that was an obvious GOP plant, meant to defuse the news of the teen pregnancy with an alternate scandal that could be pinned on Dems.

    This is just silly mocking by comparison.

    Parent

    Those weren't GOP plants. Many of the names (none / 0) (#115)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:17:46 PM EST
    were ones I recognized from a long time. (Many also rejected the diaries.)

    Parent
    The one who posted it (none / 0) (#135)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:23:00 PM EST
    was a noob I think. Hard to tell, it's gone now. I think it first showed up at DU though.

    The right blogs were on it too fast for it not to be a ploy.

    Parent

    There was more than one. Even Kos had a (none / 0) (#146)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:26:50 PM EST
    post saying her pregnancies were fair game because "something just wasn't right about it".

    Parent
    Well (none / 0) (#152)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:30:15 PM EST
    it was all kicked off by this. Not too many commenters did anything but laugh at it and call for deletion.

    Do you have a link to what Markos said? I don't recall him saying that, and it seems a strange thing for him to say.

    Parent

    I thought it was a strange comment too. I will (none / 0) (#159)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:32:35 PM EST
    find it tomorrow. I have to get some sleep now. I promise you he said it.

    Parent
    This isn't the exact one but similar. I'll look (none / 0) (#179)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:44:46 PM EST
    more tomorrow.

    This admission (8+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:ChurchofBruce, Skid, Palmetto Progressive, flight2q, Karl Rover, MinnesotaMom, Mariken
    has come BECAUSE of those so-called ridiculous rumors. And really, given the evidence, not so ridiculous. Not yet, anyway. Most of the questions asked have been legit.

    by kos on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 02:05:11 PM EDT



    Parent
    Not exactly what you claimed (none / 0) (#182)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:47:38 PM EST
    you've got to admit.

    Links would also be helpful if you do manage to produce what you claim.

    Parent

    Yes logic and politics (none / 0) (#122)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:19:22 PM EST
    always go hand in hand. Suuuure.

    Parent
    Logic? (none / 0) (#143)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:25:55 PM EST
    Who's talking about logic?

    It's a shrug as far as Obama is concerned. Nothing to do with him. Why would you want to make it be something to do with him?

    Parent

    Interesting (none / 0) (#158)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:32:21 PM EST
    You think I want it to be about Obama? you are playing dumb I think.

    Parent
    You: (none / 0) (#165)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:35:09 PM EST
    I hope they do not get mileage out of it. I imagine if they do, Obama will have to denounce and reject it.

    Whyever would you think he'd have to do that? Bizarre.

    Parent

    You seem (none / 0) (#194)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 11:02:15 PM EST
    to have missed a debate...

    Parent
    Naw (none / 0) (#18)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:45:43 PM EST
    It's too stupid for even republicans to bother with.

    Parent
    Heh (none / 0) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:47:42 PM EST
    You must be joking right?

    Parent
    BTD - you've been up too long, it's a school night (none / 0) (#51)
    by scribe on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:55:17 PM EST
    and you need to take some time and sleep.

    Come morning, it will all make sense.

    Parent

    Too stupid for Republicans (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:56:35 PM EST
    is a phrase that will never make sense.

    Parent
    LOL (none / 0) (#98)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:09:07 PM EST
    Gotta agree with you there.

    Parent
    you should know. (none / 0) (#170)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:36:41 PM EST
    thanks for the chuckle (none / 0) (#42)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:53:14 PM EST
    yeah (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:47:29 PM EST
    well maybe that would work. After all Obama declared family members "off limits" didn't he?

    I frankly don't know how interesting this type of thing is going to be with all the other news going on right now.

    Obama should have rolled lots of them under the bus months and months ago and he might now be in the shape he is right now.

    Parent

    Here's my point (none / 0) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:49:00 PM EST
    Of all the things that could change the subject, a claim that a "Democratic" blog, and the biggest one at that, is "Attacking Sarah Palin's children" seems like the best bet.

    Parent
    Still, because we have a (none / 0) (#73)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:02:29 PM EST
    two-media system, batsh*t crazy and less batsh*t crazy, it is likely that CNN will cover the name generator phenomenon of the internet, circa 1997 til now, and interview a few really well meaning people to boot.

    If the Right were to latch onto this, it would dissolve into a boring debate about free speech, bathroom walls, and whatever heinous stuff has been posted on message boards worldwide about Obama (which I am sure if far, far worse).

    Parent

    Mebbe (none / 0) (#84)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:04:43 PM EST
    Or maybe it will be tied into Democratic elitism and the attacks on Sarah Palin.

    Parent
    Well (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:53:19 PM EST
    I find "Practically" to be an unusual, but oddly compelling name.

    Parent
    Yeah well (none / 0) (#196)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 11:05:44 PM EST
    she'll DEFINITELY be outdone by my Catullus!!  If not, I have a Trapper Keeper in reserve...

    Parent
    But Palin herself (none / 0) (#137)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:23:55 PM EST
    toes the line between Alaskan quixotic(ism)? and conservativism.  None of those names are Bible names, for instance.  They are all names that suggest free spirit!  It's part of what strikes a nerve about her, and what makes us Northern Exposure fans long for when we did not know Janine Turner was GOP.

    However, if the bleeping idiot Olbermann takes this up as a joke, then we will be in trouble.  Otherwise, it would seem (IMO) that O'Reilly was lasciviously careful about his spam and daily reading.  That he was looking for trouble.  

    Hopefully, our contrary left partisan media wingnuts aren't stupid enough to broadcast this "game."  If they are, I agree we could be f*cked.

    Parent

    Oh god. (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:24:22 PM EST
    Does that mean our lives' are in Olbermann's hands?

    Parent
    Yeah, all Hippy names (none / 0) (#173)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:40:37 PM EST
    Maybe Bristow or Bristol, or whatever the heck her name is, will name her baby Rainbow, or just Rain.  If she wants to be really cool she could go with a fruit, like Apple or Pear.  

    Parent
    I don't think (none / 0) (#195)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 11:04:11 PM EST
    this has traceably deeper roots to the electorate.  Obviously, as you state, Obama is particularly vulnerable.  

    I like left field names...Slim Pickens comes to mind..

    Parent

    Small potatoes (none / 0) (#125)
    by Nevart on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:20:22 PM EST
    This is no big deal -- some yutz on a Kos diary?  McCain has more to worry about.  Besides, Obama has already said people's families and esp. kids should be off-limits, so he would instantly denounce and reject it.

    Parent
    Didn't Obama insist that the children (none / 0) (#168)
    by YesVirginiaThereIsASanta on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:35:59 PM EST
    of the politicians in this race be considered OFF BOUNDS?

    The premise of this is that they don't have enough substance to use, so they just pick up on anything, anything at all.

    Parent

    Mean and childish to me. (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:44:48 PM EST
    I am at odds with my mother for the first time in many years. She hates hates hates Palin and can't even discuss it rationally. She is back to watching MSNBC. I'm trying to fact check for her but this is really awkward for me.

    I don't agree with Palin's politics but I hate to see her made fun of for silly stuff. I think both parties are full of creeps at this point.

    Parent

    Same situation w friends (5.00 / 3) (#128)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:21:16 PM EST
    Who are sending me a stream of sexist and childish attacks about Palin. I just ignore the emails, but I find it upsetting. I guess you can't very well ignore your mother.

    Parent
    Yeah..pretty stupid thing (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:36:47 PM EST
    to put on the FP. But since the Obama darkening FP, I am not surprised at anything over there.

    Recentyly, Hunter called Mccain "the smiling corpse" My liberal mother was totally disgusted by it.

    Curious (none / 0) (#83)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:04:39 PM EST
    but, any accusations of "darkening" since the primaries ended?  I have seen McCain ads feat. Obama and one of my reactions was, well, if you aren't going to claim that's darkened, then why bother accusing Hillary?  The criticism of McCain's portrayals of Obama seems lacking.  If this gets taken up, show me Obama Waffles, the kind that Familes apparently Value...

    Parent
    not that i am aware of... (none / 0) (#167)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:35:53 PM EST
    but then again, it is possible that racism and sexism charges mostly motivate liberal voters.

    Parent
    I think I'm (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Lil on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:37:25 PM EST
    the stupid one tonight; I don't even get it.

    neither do I (none / 0) (#19)
    by befuddledvoter on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:46:18 PM EST
    but I put in my name and became Fork Decoy Palin in Palinese, I guess.  All kidding aside, weird names for her kid.

    Parent
    Elizabeth Edwards spoke tonight... (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:40:33 PM EST
    "I'm more discouraged than I was before," she said during a talk at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia. "Shame on us if we don't take the momentum -- even with all the other things that are happening -- and translate it into a policy."

    Edwards said she sparred with Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama over his health care policy, which mandates insurance for children but doesn't require coverage for adults.

    And she had almost nothing good to say about the health care plan of Republican hopeful John McCain, charging that it would simply lower costs by forcing bare-bones policies.

    Elizabeth's remarks

    Really wished (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:16:23 PM EST
    I still lived in Philly.  Elizabeth is a powerful advocate for universal health care.  

    I think Hillary was able to convey a sweeping vision of healthcare and its many benefits, including a sense of national duty, of caring for one's fellow.  The residue from her effort to get us to understand the importance of universal health care remains.  But, it simply isn't Obama's issue.  Not that he won't do good things, but he is not going to rely upon it or, as yet, he has not been able to effectively incorporate it.  The current economy, healthcare, corporate responsibility - should be a trifecta, considering his foreign policy (which is standard, in some ways comparable to McCain, and about which centrists/rightishists should have few complaints).  He may just be planting the seeds.  Unfortunately, the Edwards family took a big hit.  We are deprived of a big Edwards/Clinton/Obama push.  

    Parent

    The National Constitution Center (none / 0) (#118)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:18:06 PM EST
    is awesome. It's worth visiting anyway.

    Parent
    I've seen it light up Market (none / 0) (#155)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:31:36 PM EST
    but sadly, never visited.  Next time...  (which reminds me, tangentially, that Naomi Wolf did a great job of portraying the Founding Fathers as people who "glimpsed" perfection; the spirit of the words was in the people of the country at the time, regardless of race age or gender.  It was in their actions.  She is quite an impressive speaker).

    Parent
    Making anything into policy (2.00 / 1) (#29)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:49:01 PM EST
    Appears to be impossible for Senate and House democrats, a do-nothing bunch of wimps.

    Parent
    that have had a tiny majority (none / 0) (#55)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:56:39 PM EST
    in the house only for only 1.5 years.

    Ridiculous, this harsh criticism.

    Parent

    Oh and let me beat folks to the punch (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:46:48 PM EST
    Concern troll!!!!!!

    hee hee (none / 0) (#89)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:05:55 PM EST
    they will use it (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by desmoinesdem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:49:14 PM EST
    I admit I chuckled, but I fear this could be used to show how "elitist" Democrats are.

    I am a co-leader of a parenting group, and I attend many mothers' groups with young parents. My husband and I prefer traditional names, but let me tell you, a whole lot of Americans are giving their kids "creative" and offbeat names these days. We do not want to broadcast that Democrats mock people who give kids names like Piper and Bristol and Willow.

    I have actually run across a couple of people with Pipers.

    Actually, I think her kids' (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:07:48 PM EST
    names are cute, as are the kids.  But I can't wait to hold up a protest sign that says, "TRIG IS A STUPID NAME, THUS YOU ARE STUPID, PALIN!  OBAMA '08."  Because that's such a winner.

    Parent
    I say this as someone who shares (none / 0) (#94)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:08:20 PM EST
    a name with a Swedish (semi) pop-star...

    Parent
    Cute names for kids or puppies (none / 0) (#174)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:42:51 PM EST
    But I wouldn't want my doctor to be named Piper or Bristol.  But I love Piper for a puppy or kitten.

    Parent
    Piper is not a completely unknown name (none / 0) (#185)
    by YesVirginiaThereIsASanta on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:49:57 PM EST
    Piper Jaffrey, Piper Laurie, Piper Perabo are celebrities current and past.

    Odd names are very common and popular. I don't remember Bruce & Demi taking these hits for the odd names they gave their kids.


    Parent

    Scout? Rumor? (none / 0) (#197)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 11:06:29 PM EST
    Who the heck would name their kid that?  Other than goofy Hollywood types or someone on a soap opera?  

    Parent
    I find it funny (none / 0) (#38)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:51:37 PM EST
    that people like Bill O'Reilly would gladly mock the exact same names if they were the kids of Hollywood celebrities, who are of course famous for giving out weird names.

    My impression is that people probably don't care if you mock the name Willow, as long as they don't have a Willow of their own.  Just don't mock the name Nevaeh!

    Parent

    What Would O'Reilly do (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:54:14 PM EST
    sounds like a bad idea for charting your behavior.

    Parent
    Steve, I usually agree with you, but ask (none / 0) (#47)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:54:24 PM EST
    the mothers of my daughter's friends. Very unusual names. I can't remember most of them.

    Parent
    I like unusual (none / 0) (#70)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:02:00 PM EST
    what I hate is trendy!

    I have a last name that doesn't really fit well with creativity, which makes the issue rather moot.

    My daughter is named Audrey, which I consider the perfect mix of "classic" and "not overused."

    Parent

    Audrey Hepburn (none / 0) (#77)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:03:36 PM EST
    I would tell you my daughters' names but people hate me enough that I will not.

    Parent
    I like that. I have an Emily in my family. (none / 0) (#78)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:03:53 PM EST
    23 years ago, that name hadn't made a comeback yet. It has now.

    Parent
    Yes (none / 0) (#97)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:08:58 PM EST
    It is a pretty name.  I just wouldn't use it today because I don't want my daughter to be one of 12 Emilys in her class, is all.  It's like Jennifer was when I was in school.

    Parent
    And I almost forgot. Audrey is my MIL's name. (none / 0) (#87)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:05:09 PM EST
    Love (none / 0) (#145)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:26:28 PM EST
    that name. I had a babysitter that had that name. How she got it was a very unusual story. I always liked it. Both of my children have family names. The oldest one has a name that has NOW become popular but wasn't when he was born. The other one has a popular name and there's always another one in his class. I didn't think the name was quite that popular obviously. Of course, with boys, it's harder to come up with names sometimes.

    Parent
    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:35:32 PM EST
    Boy names are really hard.  They all seem so dreary to me.  Who wants to be a Steve?

    Parent
    Do what they do in the South (none / 0) (#178)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:44:44 PM EST
    Give the boy the mother's maiden name, or grandmother's maiden name, for a first name.  

    Parent
    The problem is you don't know it's trendy (none / 0) (#199)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 11:08:15 PM EST
    Until your kid has 5 of them in her class.  Ask anyone named Lindsay, Heather, Ryan, or Madison

    Parent
    Palin's kids have pet names (none / 0) (#107)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:14:14 PM EST
    But then lots of pets have people names, like Maggie, Max, Lucy,  Molly, Tommy, and Teddy.  

    Turn about fair play?  We give our dogs people names and Palin gives her kids dog names?  

    Parent

    Oy (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:16:09 PM EST
    This is just what i am talking about.

    Parent
    BTD is right... (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Thanin on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:18:28 PM EST
    I mean I like to rip on republicans, but this stuff isnt helping.

    Parent
    Oh come on (none / 0) (#184)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:48:46 PM EST
    Lighten up.  Can't we have fun with anything in politics?  

    She gave her kids weird names.  She knew that.  Everyone knows that.  Sarah, Elizabeth, Amanda, John, William, and Robert aren't weird.  Track, Trig, Bristow, Willow, and Piper are.  It's not a secret.  

    The next kid should be named:
     Maple Calculus Soccer Pied Palin.  
    That has a nice ring, doesn't it?  

    Parent

    After 8 years of bush... (none / 0) (#190)
    by Thanin on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:58:49 PM EST
    and a possible 4 more, I dont think many people around here are interested in lightening up.

    Parent
    Sorry (none / 0) (#200)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 11:09:49 PM EST
    If we can't laugh at politics, we're doomed to a humorless life.  

    Parent
    You are on a roll (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:21:29 PM EST
    Apple, Rumor, Scout, (none / 0) (#177)
    by YesVirginiaThereIsASanta on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:43:26 PM EST
    and all the very different names popping up in the celebrity circles might actually have some blowback ... Hollywood might turn on Obama for the petty attacks of his supporters.


    Parent
    Given the Level of the Campaign So Far... (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by santarita on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:14:40 PM EST
    I'd guess the Republicans would use this sophomoric attempt at humor as a way of showing what nasty lowlifes Dems are.  But given the bad news on Wall Street can you fault the Republicans for grabbing on just about anything in order to divert attention from the culmination of their failures of the last 8 years.

    Because the names of the kids are somewhat uncommon, silly jokes are predictable but to me the question is whether or not a blogger that wants to be considered as a serious commenter and wants to be taken seriously should allow this kind of silliness to appear as a diary.

    (I like the names.  They have a a nice sound.  Especially Trac.  Trig I have a problem with because of the connection with math.)

    Trig isn't short for Trigger? (1.00 / 1) (#164)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:35:07 PM EST
    The Mouse hunter's kid?  

    Oops, nevermind.  I'm confusing it with Roy Rogers' horse.  My mistake.  

    Parent

    disgusting (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Exeter on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:18:00 PM EST
    First we make fun of palin b/c she has as much experience as our nominee and our last vp nominee, now we're making fun of her kids' names. wow!

    who is we? (none / 0) (#132)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:22:00 PM EST
    My comments about the name thing (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Faust on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:30:46 PM EST
    are as follows:

    People who think the name thing is funny are incredibly stupid.

    1. The name generator is not funny. Not even remotely.
    2. Palin's kids names aren't even that strange. Willow? People are making fun of willow? WTF.
    You want wierd? My friend gave his kid a middle name of Polar Bear. THAT'S wierd.
    3. I don't think this will affect Obama. "liberal blog makes fun of Palin's kid's names?" I don't see that getting traction. Could be wrong.


    Something to worry about re: downticket races?? (5.00 / 3) (#176)
    by jawbone on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:43:22 PM EST
    Things like getting a bigger Senate majority, increasing House numbers, more D govs, etc?

    Politico says Obama told Reid and Pelosi "No" when they asked Obama for help with Senate and House races:

    Earlier this month, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid made a personal appeal to Barack Obama: Help me grow the Democrats' Senate majority by sharing some of the $77 million you've got in the bank.

    Obama's campaign said no.

    Although Democratic insiders say a better deal could still come, the Obama campaign so far has agreed only to let Senate Democrats use Obama's name -- as well as those of his wife and running mate -- in mail and online fundraising pitches. The campaign has planned no joint fundraising events with House or Senate Democrats, and insiders say none is likely to be held before Election Day.

    In rejecting a direct request from his Senate leader, Obama has put a fine point on the financial pressures he's feeling as the presidential race turns toward the fall.

    Reportedly the RNC is raking in far more money than the DNC, but the Dems' Senate fund is still ahead of the Repubs'--but the ads for McCain may affect races in the states where the RNC does lots of ads for their standard bearer.

    BTW, Anglachel said she received 4 pg fund raising letters from both Obama and McCain (former owner of her house was a Repub and mail still comes to him)--The Repub letter was filled with mentions of the Repub Party and the RNC, with some negative mentions about Dems using the party name. The Obama letter did not mention Dems, DNC, and used the word "Republican" only once. Stunning.

    You forgot (5.00 / 2) (#180)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:46:50 PM EST
    BoneQueesha.  I actually met a girl with that name.  Also, when I lived in San Francisco, this girl from Emeryville came in to apply.  When I asked her her name she told me Paj'amaz.  I feigned it and said, "nice name, where did ur parents get the idea?"

    She told me, "you know, whatchu sleep in!  Pajamas!"

    Pajamas. I had to go to the back of the office and DIED laughing!

    Seriously, folks who think this is at all funny (5.00 / 3) (#181)
    by vicndabx on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:47:34 PM EST
    need to go back to junior high school and come back to vote again in 10 years.  Maybe the remediation will help them mature.  Thanks for helping us w/the lets talk about the issues narrative.

    I think it does come off as mean (5.00 / 2) (#191)
    by blogtopus on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:59:50 PM EST
    Not sure what if anything McCain will do with it, but to make a game out of someone's name is just playground to me, which either lowers Dkos to that level of childishness, or makes them sound petulant and 7-year-old mean (which is pretty cruel, if we can all remember that time).

    Wev. I don't see much use in debating it; its a stupid game played by stupid people.

    For a traditionalist (1.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:53:34 PM EST
    her children's names are strange.

    It's just emphasizing that, and pointing out that Sarah is not a serious person, just another star in the distraction-from-issues that is the Freak Show.

    Jim Inhofe is the one of the most (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:37:31 PM EST
    disgusting members of the Senate. He's running for reelection this year, and his ads  are some of the most negative I've ever seen from an incumbent who should be favored.

    I'm guessing his numbers aren't so great.

    Interesting (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:39:37 PM EST
    that they're trying to tie Rice to Obama. I guess they must think that Obama's enough of a drag to put in the ad.

    Parent
    Thats because theyre idiots... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Thanin on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:43:07 PM EST
    and I can say that having lived my entire life in Oklahoma.  Honestly, once palin was selected, this state went from a 99% lock for inhole (as I call him) to a 100% lock for him, unfortunately.  Hopefully I'll be wrong about that.

    Parent
    No (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:51:41 PM EST
    I don't think you are wrong.

    Parent
    Just by looking (none / 0) (#9)
    by Lil on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:43:00 PM EST
    it seems like he is saying Rice is gay (not explicitly). Is he? I really can't stand Inhofe and I'm always suspect of ardently anti gay Republicans.

    Parent
    I think that's exactly what the ad implies (none / 0) (#16)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:44:51 PM EST
    I know nothing about Rice, though.

    Parent
    I agree with you (none / 0) (#20)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:46:22 PM EST
    that picture of him at the light pole that keeps popping up.

    scurrilous and gross.

    Parent

    I thought Rice looked hot (none / 0) (#27)
    by Lil on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:48:45 PM EST
    I assume you mean the intended homophobia was gross?

    Parent
    Im sure thats what he meant. (none / 0) (#34)
    by Thanin on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:49:51 PM EST
    she...and yes. (none / 0) (#48)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:54:39 PM EST
    that's what I meant.

    Parent
    Sorry... (none / 0) (#66)
    by Thanin on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:59:54 PM EST
    I should have used the neutral term 'they'.  :/

    Parent
    Still... (5.00 / 0) (#96)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:08:36 PM EST
    thatks for giving me the benefit of the doubt wrt my comment "gross"

    Parent
    Nah, he looked like trade, rough trade. (none / 0) (#99)
    by LatinoVoter on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:09:36 PM EST
    And the way the woman VO says "every word is true" knowing nothing about Rice I'd say there were rumors about him selling it on the street.

    Parent
    Ding, ding, ding (none / 0) (#105)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:12:55 PM EST
    Leave it to Jim Inhofe to turn his opponent into a gay hustler.

    Parent
    That's how I read the ad too (none / 0) (#30)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:49:13 PM EST
    But I'm especially sensitive to that kind of thing, so I wanted to see if anyone else noticed.

    I can't use the words I'd like here about Inhofe.

    Parent

    It looked like its implied... (none / 0) (#21)
    by Thanin on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:46:42 PM EST
    but as far as I know Rice isnt, having a wife and all... not that that means anything necessarily...

    Parent
    10% chance he is gay (5.00 / 0) (#53)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:55:47 PM EST
    just like everyone else, including Inhoffe.

    Supporting gay rights does not cause and increased chance of being gay.

    Parent

    I wish it were 10%. . . (none / 0) (#65)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:59:51 PM EST
    Leaving that aside, yeah, that's the fallacy the ad encourages. And the picture is supposed to reinforce that.

    Parent
    well, whatever the percentage is (none / 0) (#114)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:17:36 PM EST
    my point still stands.

    Parent
    uhh... (none / 0) (#81)
    by Thanin on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:04:21 PM EST
    I hope I havent said anything that could be misconstrued as homophobic here.  Gay rights are just as important to me as womens and minority rights, which is to say a whole darn lot.

    Parent
    Me too. (none / 0) (#119)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:18:10 PM EST
    I am going to my first gay wedding tomorrow night!!!

    Parent
    Woot! (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by Thanin on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:20:56 PM EST
    Shrug (none / 0) (#8)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:42:25 PM EST
    I don't see the funny part.  I also don't see the GOP getting any mileage out of it, although I should never underestimate their faux outrage machine.  Most people probably chuckled a bit when they first heard those unusual kids' names.

    On the other hand, Track is serving in Iraq, so I suppose if you make fun of his name, you're ridiculing the troops.  And so on...

    Making fun of Palin's kids' names (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:43:30 PM EST
    Seems like an outrage layup to me.


    Parent
    Obama's kids aren't exactly named Mary and (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:48:16 PM EST
    Ann or whatever. Silliness.

    Parent
    I honestly do not know their names (none / 0) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:49:44 PM EST
    Malia and Sasha. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:51:33 PM EST
    Nice (none / 0) (#52)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:55:33 PM EST
    Very pretty names.

    Parent
    I think so too. I wouldn't make fun of them even (none / 0) (#59)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:58:28 PM EST
    though they are unusual (to me anyway).

    I'm sure we'll see an explosion of Willows and Bristols everywhere. Half the kids in Knoxville are named Peyton.

    Parent

    Says alot about the parents and their class (1.00 / 2) (#140)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:24:53 PM EST
    Or lack thereof.  

    Read "Freakonomics" to know what names say about the people who have them, and their parents.  A bit about it from Slate.

    Hint, if you want your daughter to be a neurosurgeon or on the Supreme Court, do not name her Alssya, Crystal, Britney, or LaShwana.  

    Parent

    I would say quit while you're ahead but.... (5.00 / 2) (#150)
    by Teresa on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:29:34 PM EST
    Troll alert (3.00 / 2) (#149)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:29:31 PM EST
    racist troll.

    Parent
    Layup? (1.00 / 1) (#186)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:50:59 PM EST
    You've nailed it.  The perfect name for the next Palin baby.  

    Parent
    But (none / 0) (#32)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:49:26 PM EST
    they are, in fact, funny names.

    I suspect Obama could laugh it off quite effectively by commenting that his own kids don't exactly have names from the top 10 list.

    To be honest, I think the McCain campaign has gone over the top with the "Leave Sarah alone!!!" meme to the point where it's starting to come off as whining or paranoia.  We know her favorables have been returning to earth in the recent polls.  It will be quite a contrast if Obama and Biden are giving speeches about the economy and McCain's campaign is complaining about blog posts.

    Parent

    Well (none / 0) (#36)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:50:54 PM EST
    if Obama's defense of this will be "Sarah Palin;s children have funny names" then Axelord needs to be fired immediately.

    If it is used, I expect that "denounce and reject" will be the policy.

    Parent

    I think (none / 0) (#45)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:54:06 PM EST
    that I quite clearly spelled out what Obama's defense would be, and it is not that the names actually are funny.

    I think denounce and reject would give the complaint more credit than it deserves, although hey, there's always more room under the bus.  This discussion is sort of turning into political masturbation though, if I can say that word here.

    Parent

    I missed your suggested course of action (none / 0) (#50)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:55:16 PM EST
    Steve's course of action (none / 0) (#61)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:58:56 PM EST
    I suspect Obama could laugh it off quite effectively by commenting that his own kids don't exactly have names from the top 10 list

    is that Obama could relate that he and his kids also have unusual names.

    Parent

    Hmm (none / 0) (#68)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:00:50 PM EST
    That will not work at all.

    No one made fun of his kids' names.

    So give me a Plan B.

    Parent

    I disagree. (1.00 / 1) (#106)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:13:40 PM EST
    I think it would diffuse the issue quite well, along with a reiteration of his comment on not attacking families and a rapid return to the economy.

    If Mccain keeps harping on it after that, it looks like he is attempting to distract from the economy.

    Parent

    Shrug (none / 0) (#103)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:11:45 PM EST
    If you don't think Obama could just shrug it off, perhaps with a lighthearted reference to his kids' names (or heck, his own name!) then I'm not sure what to say.  I just think it would be over the top to give it a full-blown denunciation, as if it were something truly outrageous and beyond the pale like Wes Clark's comments.

    Parent
    Heh (none / 0) (#117)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:18:05 PM EST
    I will not rise to your bait.

    But kids are different as you know.

    Parent

    Aw! (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:19:31 PM EST
    You are wise to my games.  I will show up with better bait next time.

    Parent
    Those names speak to Sarah Palin's (2.33 / 3) (#126)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:20:33 PM EST
    judgement, IMO...

    (running away)

    Parent

    Eh (none / 0) (#23)
    by litigatormom on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:47:05 PM EST
    Willow and Piper I've heard before.  Bristol is kind of pretty.  Track sounds like a nickname. Trig is the only truly strange name, and who wants to make fun of a special needs kid's name?

    On the other hand, I don't see how they can tie this to Obama, and the Rethugs have already established that DK is the source of all evil, so I doubt that anyone in the McCain campaign will try to generate any faux outrage over this.  

     

    Parent

    How to connect it (none / 0) (#40)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:52:02 PM EST
    The same way the connected the DKos crap on whether  Bristol Palin was the mother of Trig.

    Look, this is not rocket science folks. Politics is incredibly stupid.

    Parent

    God I still am shaking my head over this (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:03:58 PM EST
    I went into those diaries and used lots of profanity and words like "delete this crap" and plenty of long-time users disagreed with me, wanting to see where it led.

    People over there seem to fancy themselves as citizen-journalists that can use the power of the internet to uncover scandals.

    Maybe they can, but once every 5 years if they are lucky...and only while proceeding with a healthy dose of skepticism.

    They should know that hard work will win this election, rather than hoping for some "gotcha" silver bullet.

    Parent

    Yeah (none / 0) (#49)
    by litigatormom on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:55:04 PM EST
    I keep forgetting how stupid it is.

    Parent
    look....it would be incredibly stupid (none / 0) (#171)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:38:46 PM EST
    right now for Mccain to look as if he is dodging the economy as an issue.

    I am not saying that dKos isn't taking a risk, but I think the timing is off for McCain/palin.

    Parent

    I have said over and over (none / 0) (#64)
    by NYShooter on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:59:40 PM EST
    agan, "you can tell the character of a person by the company he keeps." (In this case, the type of character Obama attracts)

    All McCain has to do is put a printed copy of Kos or huffPo comments on the wall, take a dart and throw it, then read the comment.
    No follow up necessary.

    Sure, the other side can say, "but they do it too," but the point will have been made.

    And a valid one at that.


    Parent

    Really? (none / 0) (#86)
    by litigatormom on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:04:55 PM EST
    I'm glad you think a stupid joke page is as offensive as racist campaign trinket like Obama's Waffle Mix. More false equivalence from the Republicans.  

    Parent
    You wrote, (none / 0) (#193)
    by NYShooter on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 11:01:56 PM EST
    for everyone to see, that my comment somehow has a connection to your waffle thing?

    It's out there now, you cant't take it back, but it's truly painful to think you really meant it.

    I am truly sorry for your pitful life.

    Parent

    Erm (none / 0) (#88)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:05:32 PM EST
    Forum sells 'Obama Waffles' with racial stereotype
    By Associated Press
    Sunday, September 14, 2008 - Added 2d 15h ago

    E-mail  Printable  (18) Comments   Text size  Share (5) Rate
    WASHINGTON - Activists at a conservative political forum snapped up boxes of waffle mix depicting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama as a racial stereotype on its front and wearing an Arab-like headdress on its top flap.



    Parent
    I don't know, BTD (none / 0) (#12)
    by s5 on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:43:19 PM EST
    I think not linking to it is a better idea than bringing more attention to it, if you think it's bad.

    Hmm (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:44:06 PM EST
    For some reason, I think folks might notice it without my link.

    Parent
    I don't get the name generator either (none / 0) (#35)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:49:54 PM EST
    so I don't really have anything to say about it.

    It is bizarre (none / 0) (#43)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:53:25 PM EST
    but maybe it has some logic. What makes no sense is posting that post imo.

    Just hope Obama does not get splattered.

    Parent

    I think given how important the economy is (none / 0) (#56)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:56:46 PM EST
    this week, McCain probably couldn't make much of an issue out of it.

    Parent
    Hmm (none / 0) (#60)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:58:33 PM EST
    We'll see I think.

    I expect a McCain blast on it tomorrow.

    Parent

    He said something on Good Morning America (none / 0) (#67)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:00:47 PM EST
    About the economy.  didn't hear much of it, something about hard working Americans being good.  yawn.  

    Parent
    Heh (none / 0) (#74)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:02:32 PM EST
    I bet they won't (none / 0) (#69)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:01:01 PM EST
    But it doesn't seem of much consequence anyway.

    Parent
    You are on (5.00 / 0) (#72)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:02:18 PM EST
    If the McCain campaign issues a press release on this, you lose.

    Parent
    Ok, fine! (5.00 / 0) (#85)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:04:52 PM EST
    Outrageous! (none / 0) (#58)
    by Brillo on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:57:17 PM EST
    Nearly as Outrageous! as Obama Waffles.  Lets all be Outraged! together, ok?

    I could give a sh*t (none / 0) (#63)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:59:38 PM EST
    I do not get the joke is one point.

    That McCain may use it is my second point.

    Now if you are gonna say "it's stupid" well, welcome to politics my friend.

    Parent

    McCain... (none / 0) (#80)
    by Brillo on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:04:17 PM EST
    Tried to use the SNL skit too.  Said it was sexist.  They will use anything, real or imagined, and there is virtually nothing we can do to stop them.  

    And as far as getting the joke... you talking about the name generator thing, or the waffles?  I'd be happy to explain either.  

    Parent

    The kids (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:07:22 PM EST
    Big difference.

    Parent
    Really? (none / 0) (#113)
    by Brillo on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:17:33 PM EST
    I guess it's just me, but I'm far more Outraged! at genuinely racist garbage than I am at making fun of... unique kids names.  

    Then again, that's just me.  I think your average voter would laugh at both things, and shake their heads, muttering about all the Outrage! and political correctness.

    Parent

    And you are right to be (none / 0) (#130)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:21:30 PM EST
    but politics is stupid.

    Parent
    Shouldn't Palin denounce these waffles? (none / 0) (#104)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:12:33 PM EST
    If you click on the link above you'll see this bit of ad copy:

    Sarah Palin Special - Buy 2 get 1 FREE! $19.98. Three boxes of Obama Waffles for the price of two. Just the type of bargain MOM Sarah Palin would look for. And the type of frugality she says she'll seek in the White House. Now that's change in your pocket.

    Shouldn't somebody in the Obama campaign, or the blogger boyz, be demanding that McCain/Palin denounce this particularly retrograde, racist iconography?

    Parent

    The difference is (none / 0) (#121)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:18:38 PM EST
    we actually have important issues to focus on.  It's the other guys who are desperate to seize on distractions.

    Parent
    And... (none / 0) (#133)
    by Brillo on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:22:45 PM EST
    We're well over a 100 comments so far on this.  Grats everyone.

    Parent
    If the waffle were on the other foot (none / 0) (#162)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:34:23 PM EST
    I bet McCain/Palin would be SCREAMING for Obama/Biden to publicly denounce the kind of fringe supporters who generate this stuff.

    I'm disappointed that the Obama campaign isn't responding to the overt and incontrovertible racism that's coming from Republicans. It degrades everyone; it's not just about Obama.

    Parent

    stupid (none / 0) (#76)
    by sas on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:02:50 PM EST


    Um, racist much? (none / 0) (#92)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:07:48 PM EST


    Don't Forget... (none / 0) (#95)
    by Brillo on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:08:28 PM EST
    Barack.  

    I mean, what kind of parents name a kid that?  ;)

    Obama changed the way his first name (none / 0) (#136)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:23:35 PM EST
    is pronounced. Apparently, Barack senior pronounced it as Bear-ick. Maybe Obama thought that name was just too funny.

    Parent
    Yeah... (none / 0) (#147)
    by Thanin on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:26:55 PM EST
    I knew a Bear-ick in school.  That poor kid never had a chance.

    Parent
    It made his live, unbearable? (none / 0) (#157)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:32:03 PM EST
    Cover up? (none / 0) (#112)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:16:24 PM EST
    Or politics as usual?

    In a letter to Alaska State Sen. Hollis French, Republican Attorney General Talis Colberg asked that the subpoenas into Troopergate be withdrawn.

    Colberg, who was appointed by Palin, said that state employees would refuse to honor subpoenas in the case.

    Also Tuesday, five Republican state lawmakers filed a lawsuit against an investigation they called "unlawful, biased, partial and partisan." None serves on the bipartisan Legislative Council that unanimously approved the inquiry.

    Cover up is usually worse than (none / 0) (#134)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:22:52 PM EST
    the crime.

    Parent
    BTW, anyone else notice (none / 0) (#131)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:21:48 PM EST
    that the Obama campaign bought an ad here at TL?

    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:24:45 PM EST
    I did not know. Must be all my shilling of late.

    Parent
    Indeed (none / 0) (#151)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:30:04 PM EST
    It's the picture of McCain in the faux Youtube box on the right.

    Parent
    Huh... (none / 0) (#141)
    by Thanin on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:25:12 PM EST
    hadnt noticed.  Guess that shows how different this place is nowadays.

    Parent
    Somebody over there... (none / 0) (#142)
    by lucky leftie on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:25:19 PM EST
    ...has waaaaayyyy too much time on their hands.  Although I have to confess, I tried it.  Moose Roadster is my Palin name, apparently.  

    I agree that any perceived attack on kids is damaging, and should be.  That is [hopefully] one of the things that differentiates us from them, we don't go after kids.  

    Huh.............?????????????????? (none / 0) (#156)
    by Blowback on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:31:57 PM EST
    ???????????????????????

    Not enough ? (none / 0) (#175)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:43:16 PM EST
    This guy is just a bored... (none / 0) (#160)
    by Thanin on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:33:11 PM EST
    republican trolling the boards.  He'll probably be vaporized sooner or later.

    what's a name generator? (none / 0) (#161)
    by Howard Zinn on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:33:49 PM EST
    Isn't that one of those new fangled thingymebobs on the internets?  

    I really doubt this is on the McCain radar in any sense of the word.  This would be seen as making a mountain out of a molehill if McCain cried foul -- especially with the financial headlines.

    Obama would love it if he did, though.  "In these troubled times of historical proportions, my opponent has something extremely important to announce to the world about how he will fix things.  He says there's a website that makes fun of his VP's children's names."

    It's really very innocuous.  Poking fun at silly names?  Come on.

    Heh BTD (none / 0) (#169)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:35:59 PM EST
    A] top Republican operative who specializes in electing weak candidates once explained to me how you derail a powerful foe who's winning on issues. He called it the ugly frog routine.

    Ugly frogs in this game can be anything that opposing candidates do or say that, out of context, puts them on the defense.

    "Stick that frog right in their face, shake it all around, and say, `Here, look at this BIG UGLY FROG,'" the GOP consultant said. "Then, as they defend themselves and explain the context, real quick grab another ugly frog. Repeat often until they've spent most of the campaign reacting to your agenda."

    I've never seen the above statement before. Have you? It seems you are famaliar with the action if not the term. LOL.

    Can I hold my breath long enough? (none / 0) (#172)
    by wasabi on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:40:09 PM EST
    Can I hold my breath long enough for McCain to denounce and reject all the noise pollution that is spewing from right wing radio?  The eliminationist rhetoric, the hate speech, the "majic negro" ditties... The same radio that has Bush and his admin lackeys appearing on them occasionally?

    I'm just tired of the whole denounce and reject crap.  

    Unusual First Names... (none / 0) (#187)
    by santarita on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:52:28 PM EST
    I wonder if the names could be anglicized versions of Alaskan native names?  Isn't her husband a member of an Alaskan tribe?

    Palin explained the names (none / 0) (#192)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 11:01:36 PM EST