Hurricane Gustav

It made landfall this morning.

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    Gustav is currently at Category 2 (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by myiq2xu on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:55:53 AM EST
    Which is far weaker than Katrina.

    Maybe God was listening to all the prayers

    That (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:01:09 AM EST
    is GREAT news! Hopefully there will be minimal damage.

    We've got some clouds here. Apparently Savannah might get hit by a hurricane.


    yes, looks like Hanna is on the way (none / 0) (#4)
    by Josey on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:18:17 AM EST
    Hanna Savannah? (none / 0) (#11)
    by myiq2xu on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:03:16 AM EST
    That sounds vaguely familiar.

    LOL (none / 0) (#13)
    by Josey on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:13:19 AM EST
    no Hanna-Savannah in Montana.

    I know, (none / 0) (#5)
    by jb64 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:20:41 AM EST
    I'm heading down to Jekyll Island tomorrow...



    wrong direction? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jen M on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:28:15 AM EST
    won't everyone be coming the other way?

    You've missed the fact that it's (none / 0) (#12)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:11:10 AM EST
    going west of NO, putting the city on the worst side of the storm.  This could very easily be worse than Katrina, despite the lower official strength.  Katrina went to the east of NO, which moderated its effect from what it would have been.

    Those of us who've lived on the East Coast know what a big difference it is whether an approaching hurricane stays off the coast or ducks inland so we get that dreaded east side of the storm.  HUGE difference.

    Because of the way the storms rotate, the winds on the east side of the storm are blowing north, so the addition of the northward speed of the storm to those north-blowing winds makes the ground speed of the winds much stronger.


    Well, the weakening of Gustav (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:03:58 AM EST
    would be a welcome development.  

    "'Experience is a dear teacher, but a fool will have no other.'  You comment, Mr. Bush?"  

    Obama Should Ask McCain To Join Him (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by john horse on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:01:46 AM EST
    to create a joint ad for "donations and prayers to those affected by Gustav".  (idea from John Dickerson at Slate)

    Besides helping the folks affected by this storm, it will undercut any efforts by McCain and the GOP to try to use the storm for political advantage.  How are they going to be able to refuse this offer without seeming to be partisan?

    I'm glad that it's weakening, not (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:21:31 AM EST
    only because of the obvious human cost, but the political fallout will be minimized IMO. The Dems can't use the suffering in an overt way to score points against Bush/McCain, and the Repubs can't say "hey, look at how great we are every four years for about a week!" Trust me, nobody is kidding themselves thinking voters aren't paying attention and vetting the candidates on issues pertaining to this. Ex: who supported legislation for Katrina victims, I even heard finally someone raise the "offshore question". Gas prices down here went up 7 cents BEFORE the refineries were shut down.

    Recall, it was the levees post Katrina that caused (none / 0) (#8)
    by befuddledvoter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:34:28 AM EST
    the most damage adn destruction.  They have not dodged the bullet just yet.  That was the pereption three years ago.  

    Aside:  There are three very large shelters set up in Tallahassee Florida for evacuees of Gustav.  Note, they accept no animals.  Here we go again!  So, you drive 6 hours to Tally with your dog and cannot shelter the dog?  I would just stay in my car in some 24-hour strip mall parking lot.    

    CNN reporting that water is... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:19:15 AM EST
    .."spurting" through the bottom of some of the levees. This is worse than the overtopping by the waves. Its clear there will be some flooding. So far no breaching though but I don't think the storm surge has reached its peak yet.

    Are you near the shelters? (none / 0) (#17)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:13:17 AM EST
    Since it's a Fed law now that animals need to be accommodated, I'd be interested to know why they don't and what they are telling people. I know they said during evacuations on Sat that they had 2 lines for buses, pets and no-pets. It seems like one of the 3 shelters at least should take pets. Is there an animal shelter near-by?



    Industrial Canal Levee already (none / 0) (#9)
    by befuddledvoter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:43:47 AM EST
    overflowing.  See NOLA.com for updated news.  This is not good and so very early.

    CNN reported a local investigation (none / 0) (#15)
    by Josey on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:24:04 AM EST
    that holes in the levees had been repaired with newspaper strips rather than foam designated for the repairs!
    I'm assuming the project was overseen by the Army Corp of Engineers?

    Finally getting national attention? (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:30:48 AM EST
    Good.  That video from a NOLA tv investigation in April was linked here yesterday.  Appalling.  We know already at least one place where the levees are likely to break.

    Excerpt from AP article on (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:05:56 PM EST

    Wind-driven water was sloshing over the top of the Industrial Canal's floodwall, but city officials and the Army Corps of Engineers said they expected the levees,
    still only partially rebuilt after Hurricane Katrina
    , would hold. The canal broke during Hurricane Betsy and Hurricane Katrina, flooding St. Bernard Parish and the Lower 9th Ward.

    This must be what Harry Shearer is continually trying to bring to the public's attention.