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The City of St. Paul is installing 45 new cameras to monitor the area around the Xcel Energy Center during the Republican National Convention.

The $2 million system is funded with money from the Department of Justice to the Republican Convention. All of the cameras will stay in St. Paul after convention visitors leave, though some of them will be moved to other parts of downtown.

The good news is that feeds from the cameras will be streamed over the internet so that the public can see what Big Brother is seeing. While the cameras are supposed to help the police keep an eye on protesters, the video streams will help the public keep an eye on the police. Protesters have learned the value of video.

Protesters have trained at least 70 people to carry camcorders, too. "It's very important that we have evidence showing police misconduct if it does happen," said Rachael Bengston, a lawyer with the National Lawyers Guild. She said a group of legal observers will log the video and keep it in case of any legal action.

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    I'm THIS close to wearing full Clown Regalia ... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ellie on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:22:05 PM EST
    ... all the time, just to mess with this ever increasing surveilling of public citizens by an ever increasingly opaque government.

    Not only would it honor the recent death of Larry Harmon, the last actor to play Bozo the Clown, but make a sorely needed political point too. (In so many ways!)

    Clowns of the old-school Bozo variety kind of creep me out, but I'd get out my old eighties greasepaint -- I mean everyday makeup kit -- for a good cause.

    I could go with a modern rendering: Krustelah, Bush in full Rodeo Clown / Faux Cowboy mode, Ronald Reagan (but I'd trowel less on the cheeks).

    The female clown car is bulging too. Femme toons like Harriet Meiers, MoDo or Nancy Pelosi could be good for a hoot.

    Dry Powder Dems in full, aristocratic pre- French Revolution bustles / breeches and to-THERE bird's nest hairdos would be an ideal choice were the weather forecast more reliable during these times of unpredictable effects due to Global Warming.

    There's no going back.... (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by kdog on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:35:44 PM EST
    Call me old-fashioned too...but the thought of being watched whenever on public streets is very unsettling.  The wall to wall cameras have a chilling effect on free expression.

    But this train left the station long ago...same as machine guns and nuclear weapons, we can't un-invent the blasted things...so we're gonna have to learn to live with the cameras.  I'd feel a little better if I was confident abuses would be punished...but we know the authorities have a piss poor track record in policing themselves.

    I feel bad for all of us, but especially the ladies...they're the ones who will be gawked at by men with badges huddled around a monitor.  That's super creepy.  Just wait till the x-ray camera technology improves, like what they're using in some airports..it's gonna get even creepier.

     

    It seems we are watched almost (none / 0) (#7)
    by zfran on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:15:08 PM EST
    everywhere we go, driving, in a dressing room, walk into banks, buildings, etc. What is the diff? My guess is that both conventions will be watched thoroughly and without our permission or authority. After all, what's one more of our right to privacy got to do with it?

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    I like the idea of wiring them to the internet (none / 0) (#1)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:40:19 PM EST
    as well. C'ville police have been talking about adding a pile of cameras; and every time it comes up the main issue is a lot of people would be OK as long as the rest of us get to see as well (watching what Big Brother is watching as you say). But for some strange reason the police keep balking at that. Being an 80% dem town, the board tends to say no.

    I very much like the idea of protesters with cameras. I'd like to see a big program of that with voters in November as well. I really wish we could have caught a lot of stuff that happened in FL in 2000 on film. Someone should set up such a program. Cheap video cameras for everyone.

    I like this idea for keeping track of (none / 0) (#2)
    by Valhalla on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:58:22 PM EST
    police vs protesters.  Is Denver doing the same thing?  (if there was a story I missed it, but I missed some postings the last few days).

    But outside of this purpose, and closely affiliated purposes, it's still kind of creepy.

    Call me old fashioned, or a privacy freak, but I'm not crazy about the idea that everywhere I do I'm on video somewhere.  Yes, I know it's a public place, but I don't care.  I at least want restrictions on how such video can be used.

    And while video will hopefully help protestors, remember Rodney King?  Plenty of video there, yet no wrongdoing found (or nearly none).  There's still a strong yen to side with the police among the general public.  Sadly.

    Strong yen to side with the police (none / 0) (#3)
    by reslez on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:13:52 PM EST
    We may be starting to see a sea-change in terms of relations between police and the public. I imagine it will take a generation to sort out, but the fact is incidents of police brutality and misbehavior are impossible to ignore now that they're on tape. Police are only human and have a difficult job, but when it comes to criminal behavior such as lying on official reports (check out the NYC bicyclists video) the behavior has to stop. The 30% of people in love with authoritarians (the ones who still support President Bush in our own day) will continue to accept police statements at face value. Everyone else will come to a more balanced view.

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    I think that's a bit idealistic (none / 0) (#4)
    by Valhalla on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:19:54 PM EST
    There is more evidence that can be shared, that's true.  That does not mean anything about where people's biases lie.

    The balance of most societies tend to side with order, and that has been true for 1000s of years.  Yes, YouTube is a technological revolution, but I can't see it changing the human race in a span of years.

    The idea of just protest as a legitimate political tool is barely 100 years old (the legitimate part, not the political part).  Heck, the idea that the general population (not just a small, elite part of society) should have a say at all in governance is pretty new still.

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    privacy test for cameras (none / 0) (#8)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:46:06 PM EST
    will be if it's OK to hide your identity while in view of cameras. That is, cameras are more pervasive, but don't we still have the legal ability to hide our identity. This will be a good test of our privacy rights. If it ever becomes illegal to hide your identity while in view of such cameras, then we're really in trouble.

    I do see that walking around with a disguise is very suspicious. And if it's around some location where there are VIP's who often have death threats, I can seem some security need to look into that person. But what about when nothing is going on. Will the authorities stop someone and force them to unmask.

    Note that by disguise, this can mean a lot of things. One thing these cameras are being used to do is visually see and record your license number as you drive by. There are efforts to tie that tracking with the DMV and have full tracking of your car. But there are now license plate covers that although will allow the license number to be scene straight on by the human eye will not be scene by a camera. Will those cars be stopped by the police.

    Some things to think about.

    In many jurisdictions (none / 0) (#9)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:32:01 PM EST
    it is illegal to go around in disguise.  Now, before you ask me about Halloween, I have no idea.

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    Keep an eye on the protesters? LOL (none / 0) (#10)
    by Dadler on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 06:37:22 PM EST
    We need to be keeping more eyes on the pols.