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Friday Night Open Thread: Forgiveness

And I thought of all the bad luck,
And the struggles we went through
And how I lost me and you lost you
What are these voices outside loves open door
Make us throw off our contentment
And beg for something more?

...And the more I know, the less I understand
All the things I thought Id figured out
I have to learn again
Ive been trying to get down
To the heart of the matter
But everything changes
And my friends seem to scatter
But I think its about forgiveness
Forgiveness

Peace to John and Elizabeth Edwards. This is an open thread.

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    These opening ceremonies are something. (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:15:50 PM EST
    Pure precision in everything they do.

    The tai chi --- gorgeous!

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    Just started watching (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Valhalla on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:21:06 PM EST
    (I'm on time delay, tivo).  But I'm really kind of conflicted and queasy about the Olympics being in Bejing.

    The opening sequence did talk a bit about the tension between China's politics and the West, but these will be 2 full weeks of China glorification, and between Tibet and other repression (there's still plenty, even if not quite Cultural Revolution scale).

    I'm just not as thrilled as I've been in the past watching the Olympics, and I usally get pretty excited.

    OR maybe I've just seen too many Olympics and am bored by all the 'Analyst' bloviating, even about sports instead of politics.

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    Makes you wish they would just cut to the (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:22:10 PM EST
    chase :)

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    Except for the fact that I only saw (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:39:33 PM EST
    the Canadian athletes interviewed, watching the event on CBC eliminated all the analysts and political ads that would have completely ruined it for me.

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    Then you are fortunate.... :) (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:59:21 PM EST
    R.I.P. BERNIE MAC....50 years old and (none / 0) (#63)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:00:08 AM EST
    gone....

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    OMG - He was reported to be better and (none / 0) (#65)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:04:46 AM EST
    preparing to leave the hospital.

    R.I.P., Bernie. My heart goes to his family and friends.


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    I think his chronic illness, sarcoiditis (sp), (none / 0) (#67)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:21:17 AM EST
    an inflammatory lung disease, might have been why he didn't recover from pneumonia, but a shock nonetheless....

    Sympathies to his family....

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    ... in years. I assumed I wouldn't watch them this time around either.

    But I happened on the opening ceremonies by accident and was captivated!

    It reminded me of when I was an idiot kid and ran away to San Francisco. I discovered China Town almost immediately. I spent every spare moment there for months, roaming around in tiny shops stuffed to the gills with the kinds of trinkets you could buy back then for 25 cents that sell for $50 on eBay these days - tiny carved translucent jade pieces, intricately carved enamel thingies, Mao Tse Tung propaganda :D .

    The ceremonies remind me of all of that. I'm loving them.

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    Ok, I take back what I said (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Valhalla on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:43:54 PM EST
    This is amazing.  The drums thing was stunning.

    Except I don't take back what I said about the commentators -- still bloviating -- even worse than listening to CNN/MSNBC is listening to sports guys talk about politics.  Even Bob Costas, who I usually rather like.

    But the ceremony -- kicks butt.

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    My biggest complaint is that there (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:52:07 PM EST
    is never any consideration given to just letting us watch some of the opening ceremonies without the constant chatter - I just want to scream SHUT UP!!!

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    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Valhalla on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:16:27 PM EST
    I don't mind the introductions to each bit -- some of the interpretations I wouldn't nec. get on my own -- but once each 'act' starts, STFU!

    There's nothing wrong with just sitting quietly and letting others enjoy the show.

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    Olympics Dampened with Stabbing (none / 0) (#68)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:25:54 AM EST
    death of the father-in-law of the US Men's Volleyball coach. Others injured. The man who committed the crime then threw himself to his own death out a window several stories high.


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    an aside to Big Tent: I love San Juan. It's a lovely, lovely city. And the weather (aside from hurricanes) is fabulous. It was 20 degrees cooler there than it was here when I left.

    Oh, and mofongos rock!

    And how did the restaurant (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:43:46 PM EST
    recommends turn out?

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:37:44 PM EST
    I was trapped in training most of the time. Add to that, I was trapped on a tarmak in DFW for hours and hours ($#@@!&$ American Airlines), so I had to grab time when I could.

    I didn't make it.

    :(

    But I did make it to a little restaurant called Mi Casita.

    And I got to participate in the First Tuesday of Every Month ritual of following teens ... somewhere. Not sure exactly where, but it was fun.

    Also finally got to eat tostones. zomg!

    But I'll be going back. They have these trainings there a lot.

    Next time, they'll be no stopping me!!!!!

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    Obama still doesn't get it.. (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:33:30 PM EST
    Obama told reporters Thursday he thought the negotiations with Clinton aides had gone "seamlessly," but he also rejected the notion that there might be a need for emotional release on the part of some Democrats.

    "I don't think we're looking for catharsis," said Obama. "I think what we're looking for is energy and excitement."

    I still need emotional release. I'm hoping Bill will help me out when he speaks but I'll probably just get more angry when I remember what has been said about him.

    Catharsis leads to energy and excitement (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:34:53 PM EST
    He really doesn't get it at all.

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    He doesn't get it because he isn't (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:37:40 PM EST
    looking for it.

    He said he won the primary, and the party let him have it. Using that as his benchmark, he thinks he just has to say he won the GE, and he gets inaugurated in January.

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    I saw that in AP article this morning. (5.00 / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:42:18 PM EST
    He's wrong.  

    Plus, did you see the photo of Hillary Clinton standing on a stage in Las Vegas surrounded by Obama slogans.  Really irritating.

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    I saw that. She seemed out of place to me. (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:57:57 PM EST
    I wonder if the Obama campaign realizes how lucky they are to have her? They seem to know they need her to campaign but then they say stupid stuff about the half of us who voted for her.

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    She was probably thinking to herself: so (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:21:02 AM EST
    why am I out here touting Obam 08 while he's on vacation in Hawaii?

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    Clinton just found out why (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:30:50 AM EST
    she was the one left hanging out there for the press this week.

    I would bet a bundle that this was timed by Edwards to ameliorate the burden for Obama, to occur in a week when Obama has so few public events.

    And from the look on her face, Clinton did not know.

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    According to the Charlotte Observer, (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:43:42 AM EST
    the Obama campaign was withholding a speaking slot for Edwards at the convention unless Edwards could assure the Obama campaign the NE story was false. Maybe Edwards sd., hey, go ahead, don't wait up for me.  I'll catch up later.

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    I can't recall another election (5.00 / 0) (#60)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 05:55:04 AM EST
    where I've felt so tired of the Democratic nominee so early in the election season.

    I wish it was just one thing but everytime I turn around, he adds something else to it.  He really has no respect for Clinton voters.    

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    The answer is "yes." (5.00 / 0) (#33)
    by weltec2 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:25:47 PM EST
    He is living in fantasy land. If there is no catharsis, by all that is right, there should be chaos. Its as though he is set on ignoring reality and losing the election because of his one eyed view of what is going on. He is just going to create more PUMAs. Why doesn't he get this?

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    Can I have my Flounder back?! (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:48:46 PM EST
    PLEASE!!!

    {Whew} Got it back. Had a delivery of some local produce and seafood. My kitty Harlem is a master thief. She grabbed the fresh Flounder and bolted off with it. Chasing a kitty to wrestle over a fish isn't pretty . . . . but it is darn funny, lol!~

    A tip learned the hard way (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:34:51 PM EST
    early in my first marriage was to not just put fish detritus down the garbage disposal and forget to run it.

    Nothin' like coming into the kitchen in the morning to find that the cat had fun all night, pulling pieces of fish out of the disposal ang gnawing on them . . . and then strewing fish stuff all over the flat.  Ugh.

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    My kitty catches her own. (none / 0) (#17)
    by samanthasmom on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:51:10 PM EST
    Can't leave the hood off the aquarium and leave the room.

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    I won't even try for an aquarium (none / 0) (#20)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:57:52 PM EST
    with the crew I have now. I have done it in the past, but it would be crazy for me to try it now. My dog is good on correcting the cats on things they aren't supposed to do (attack printer, scratch wood furniture), but she can't be on guard 24/7 watching fish  ;)

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    Maxine (kitty) brings home (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by samanthasmom on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:10:51 PM EST
    presents to Samantha (dog). One morning this week it was a live and largely unhurt baby bunny. (It was howling, but it was moving fast once the cat dropped it.) All three animals want on a chase through the house until I managed to direct the bunny to an open door to the outside. I kept both Max and Sam in the house for a couple of hours to give the bunny a fighting chance to get away. Sam will bark at Maxie if she claws the furniture, but mostly she aids and abets her. I feel outnumbered most of the time. I've had blue jays flying around the living room. . .

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    Sounds very familiar - (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:30:44 PM EST
    our cats have brought home chipmunks, and once brought a cardinal into the family room - that was fun.

    Today I stopped at the store and - among other tihngs - brought home a roasted chicken.  I had left it on the counter in the plastic bag, had gone out on the deck for a few minutes, when I heard this "crash!"  Looked in and saw the plastic bag on the floor, chicken still in the container - and my daughter's cat sitting nearby with a "Who me?" expression on her face.

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    "blue jays flying around (none / 0) (#38)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:34:12 PM EST
    the living room".

    Oy! My 2 boys that would bring in live gifts have sadly passed, but I don't miss the gifts! baby mice, birds and rabbits. Only when I was flat out on my back sick of course!

    Dot (dog) puts her nose in their bellies and does a scoop/toss move when the cats are breaking the "rules". Totally floored me when she started doing this and how effective it was!

    Hope your baby bunny is doing fine. It's so hard when animals do what animals do :/ When I move, I'm going to have to get used to it again. I'll put up a safe cat yard and hopefully it will keep other furry critters out, but it will be a whole different story.

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    Heh! (none / 0) (#19)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:54:02 PM EST
    When one of my cats was half-grown, I carelessly left a piece of swordfish skin in the sink while my mother and I were having dinner.  When I went back in the kitchen, I heard loud growling from under the table.  There was one of the cats with the swordfish skin in his jaws, growling threateningly at his littermate, who was so taken aback, he wasn't even trying to get the skin away from him.

    Littermate and I ended up chasing him up and down the stairs and around the house for a good 10 minutes, both of us trying to get that skin away from him.  I won.

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    lol!~ you should have seen this gal (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:05:20 PM EST
    as a 9wo kitten. I had a whole fish that I was getting ready to cut up and serve to the crew. She grabbed on to one end and I found myself playing tug of war with her. The sounds that she let loose were frightening! She weighed less than 3lbs (fish weighed more!). I resorted to the butcher knife and hacking off the part that was in her mouth.

    I'm so glad I'm not the only one that has done the "fish chase"! I could not believe how fast she was today. It was too funny as the package was almost as big as she is.

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    I like the fish chase a whole lot more (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 10:14:51 PM EST
    than the mouse chase, which is what happens here a little too often.  Last thing I really want is a mortally wounded mouse trapped in my bedroom.

    All three of the cats I have now were born feral, two from a long line of barn cats locally, and yet not a one of them has a killer instinct.  They just want to play with the mousies.  Outdoors, I can dispatch the wounded ones quickly with a shovel, but that doesn't work with the occasional indoor one.

    You were kinder than I to let your girl have the fish tail for herself.  I still feel guilty about taking poor Marco's prize swordfish skin away from him, but I sure as heck didn't want to reward him any further for getting up in the kitchen sink, so he just had to lose out.

    He continued to look for stuff in the sink from time to time, but the best thing he ever found in there afterwards was a rubber glove he happily brought into the living room to wrestle with during a dinner party.

    Man, I love cats.

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    My two cats are indoor only. (none / 0) (#61)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 06:09:54 AM EST
    The only experience they've ever had with a fish was with a tiny goldfish I won at a church festival.  I put it in a fishbowl but all they could do was stare at it.  They didn't want to get their paws wet trying to touch it.  That fish lasted less than 24 hours.  

    One thing I find funny about my cats is that one of them is scared of pigeons.  She won't sit in the window looking at them.  She has to run behind the drapes and peek at them from under the drapes.  (We always say she's getting in the blind -- like hunters do?)  The other cat used to sit in the window and try to pounce on the pigeons when they got close to the window, but the other cat must have taught him because now he gets in the blind too.  

    Cats are incredibly entertaining creatures.  

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    Stopped letting my cats out after (none / 0) (#64)
    by zfran on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:52:52 AM EST
    my tuxedo cat disappeared for a week. Came back and now he's okay and more or less used to not going out, but my other cat still howls to let him.  He's a tabby and nothing inside I do seems to entertain him. Any suggestings? (It's been about 3 or 4 months).

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    Get some empty cardboard boxes (none / 0) (#69)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:40:33 PM EST
    (big enough to hold a cat) and build a kitty fort (just stack the boxes in different directions -- you can change it every day).  

    I heard a vet recommend this on a pet program as a way to keep cats amused.  It really does work.  Cats are curious and always want to explore things.  Empty boxes and paper bags do the trick!

    Also, are your cats spayed or neutered?  If not, that could be why they want to go out.  


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    Thanks. I'll try it. I've tried just (none / 0) (#70)
    by zfran on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 03:59:27 PM EST
    about everything. He gets bored really fast. They are neutered but the tabby is "high-spirited" at least that's what I call him and altho' will lay down and be mellow, once he's rested, he's raring to go. I'll try your suggestion.

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    Zfran, some cats (none / 0) (#72)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 11:17:11 AM EST
    desperately want to be Outside, and some don't and some can take it or leave it.  Of my three, two could I think become reconciled to being indoor cats, but the third could not.  I can't even sit on my screen porch in the evening after I've gotten them inside because he howls and scratches at the door to go out non-stop.  He literally gets despondent during the winter when there's too much snow for him to do much exploring and all the little critters and good smells have disappeared.

    With the two others, there's a total absence of stress, fighting and tearing around, when they're able to go out.  Days with heavy rain or too much snow when they're stuck indoors, they start acting out.  So there's clearly frustration and boredom that builds up even with them.

    I also lost a cat a couple months after they started going Out and I'm still grieving for him.  But there's not the slighest doubt in my mind that if he'd gotten a vote on whether to have a few short months Out or live a long life In, he'd have chosen the short but fulfilling life Out.

    I live in the country, where there are many predators but few cars or other nearby cats or dogs, so I'm reasonably comfortable letting them go outdoors, as long as they come in for the night, when the predators are most active, which they do.  When I lived in the suburbs, the cats stayed in, but they were not happy cats.


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    My First Thanksgiving Newly Married (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by daring grace on Sun Aug 10, 2008 at 09:59:20 AM EST
    I left the carcass of a fifteen pound turkey on the table to answer the phone in the other room.

    When I returned to the kitchen I was greeted with the sight of the turkey on the floor with my tiny 6 mo old kitten splayed across the top of it. When he saw me, he shot me this panicky possessive look like: "It's MINE! I caught it. You go catch your own!"

    I almost wanted to let him have it since for sure I wasn't salvaging the (no somewhat furry) meat. I think I did cut it and give him some that I didn't toss.

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    Ok, I am pissed. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Stellaaa on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:12:29 PM EST
    At first I thought, who cares about the affair.  I don't care about narrative and politics.  Personal lives.  But, the more I think about it, the madder I get.  

    Edwards was the hero of the poor.  He claimed that he wanted the others to push for those issues after he left the race.  Hillary picked up his mantle and did a better job than he did or could have done.  Yet, he always had this sanctimonious air about him when it came to Hillary and Bill.  Somehow that they were not clean enough for him to be soiled.  

    His endorsement after West Virginia was a real kick in the teeth to Hillary.  So, how deep is his misogyny.  He betrays his wife that he uses for political PR, he betrays his lover and he betrays Hillary.  Frankly, this is making me sick, cause I believed that he cared for poor people.  

    Yet, his endorsement for Obama was to save his skin.  Imagine if he did not endorse Obama and this came out?  
    Imagine if he did not run?  Imagine .....I am really getting angry.  I don't care truly about what people do with their genitals.  But this is making me mad.  

    I am trying to find a video where he was on MSNBC or something, talking about the Clinton negatives, I will find it.  This was after the Obama endorsement.  

    My sister who lives in NC told me he was a phony. (5.00 / 0) (#30)
    by Angel on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:19:46 PM EST
    I always argued with her about that, but she was right.  

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    So did all the right wingers (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Stellaaa on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:21:47 PM EST
    and I argued against them like an idiot.  Ooooo!!!

    I want my money back.  Actually, what bugs me more than anything, was the air of high moral tone compared to the Clintons.  

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    What makes me angry is that the entire narrative (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by Angel on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:31:44 PM EST
    of the primary would have been different with just Hillary and Obama as the front-runners.  The debates would have been different.  Everything would have been different and I think Hillary would have won on Super Tuesday.  Damn him for that.  I don't care about the affair so much as how his being in the race changed the entire primary.  We'll never know.

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    Hillary was right when she said ... (none / 0) (#62)
    by NO2WONDERBOY on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 09:54:07 AM EST
    on many occasions that there was nothing about her personal and professional life that the public did not know, and that's why she was fully vetted! Had she been allowed her nomination, we would be witnessing a truly historical campaign for the presidency.

    The way this whole political season has been going with one "surprise" after the other about the main players in this race, I wouldn't be shocked if something similar came out about Obama; whether fabricated or factual, but anything and everything to avoid the real matter at hand: the issues that are so crucial to the American people!!

    The way they're carrying on, puts Hollywood gossip trash to shame! Disappointing, to say the least.

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    Yep. I thought of my rightie co-worker (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:55:22 PM EST
    who always told me what a phony he thought Edwards was, and I argued with him.

    I agree with your other post too.  I hadn't thought of it that way until I read some of Cream City's posts in the earlier thread. She nailed it also.

    Just when I thought I knew the story of the primary - we'll never know the ramifications of this.

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    I make a habit (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:37:21 PM EST
    of never trusting politicians to speak the truth.  I'm happier that way.

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    My sister says the same thing (none / 0) (#66)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:12:43 AM EST
    She lived around the corner from him in Chapel Hill where his family was renting while their over-sized, outrageously priced house was being built. I've heard some very funny stories about his "lawn work" efforts.

    He's just a one-term ex Senator who's currently unemployed.

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    My impression was always that his (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Valhalla on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:31:23 PM EST
    policies were excellent on health care and poverty, but that he never really connected well with the people at whom the policies were directed.  So a hero to the poor?  Maybe a champion of the poor, but not a hero to them.  Maybe it was the moralizing aspect.  (I don't know, speculating).

    But I agree, the adultery part I don't care about, but the political actions are abhorrent.  Although given that he was also a netroots hero, not so surprising, perhaps.

    'nother topic:  ok, this planet-walking thing in the opening ceremonies is blowing my mind.

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    forgiveness (5.00 / 0) (#37)
    by Nettle on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:33:57 PM EST
    Prayer for Entering the Book of Sorrow

    ...May great courage accompany those willing to cross the River of Sorrow.
    May all who read these words be freed from the bondage of fear and denial.
    May our eyes remain open even in the face of tragedy.
    May we not become disheartened.
    May we find in the dissolution of our apathy and denial, the cup of the broken heart.
    May we discover the gift of the ire burning is the inner chamber of our being-burning scat and bright enough to transform any poison.
    May we offer the power of our sparrow to the service of something greater than ourselves.
    May our guilt not rise up to form yet another defensive wall.
    May the suffering purify and not paralyze us.
    May we endure; may sorrow bond us and not separate us.
    May we realize the greatness of our sorrow and not run from its touch or
    Its flame.
    May clarity be our ally and wisdom our support.
    May our wrath be cleansing, cutting through the confusion of denial and greed.
    May we not be afraid to see or speak our truth.
    May the bleakness of the wasteland be dispelled.
    May the soul's journey be revealed and the true hunger fed.
    May we be forgiven for what we have forgotten and blessed with the remembrance of who we really are.

    - from The Box, by the Terma Company, 1992
    thanks to Joanna Macy for the quote

    And now, on the polls . . . (5.00 / 0) (#46)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:33:04 PM EST
    A new Rasmussen poll in Wisconsin narrows the Obama lead even more, within the MOE -- although still a comfortable lead.  From the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

    A survey of 500 likely voters taken Tuesday by Rasmussen Reports puts Democrat Barack Obama ahead of Republican John McCain 47% to 43%. That four-point gap is down from an 11-point Obama lead measured by the same pollster a month earlier. The new poll's margin of error is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

    It was also the second Wisconsin survey this week to put Obama's lead in the mid-single digits, after five June and July polls put Obama ahead by double digits.

    The previous poll noted came out a couple of days ago from a local/Wisconsin pollster that put the margin at 6 points.

    Ads Ads Ads! (none / 0) (#51)
    by Little Fish on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:18:51 AM EST
    More ads for you then!  Good luck with those.  I haven't seen/heard one yet (knock on wood) but I don't think my state will be much of an issue. Although McCain says he's going to target it.  lololololololol

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    Pretty soon (none / 0) (#59)
    by Fabian on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 04:12:59 AM EST
    an ad will find me.  I'm in a historical swing state  so they'll be targeting everything.  I listen to NPR and watch PBS, so that protects me.  I am happy to do phone polls but the DNC will get the cold shoulder if they call or canvass.

    The Sunday paper is a bit problematic...

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    Since this is an open thread- U.S. and new War (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Rhouse on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:55:49 PM EST
    While most of the "news media" seems to be fixated on L'affaire Edwards, the Bush gang now has a new outbreak to deal with.  It appears it will interject itself in to the fight between Russia and  Georgia   and Link II
    It also begs the question, that if the conflict escalates with the US entering on the side of Georgia, will the Republicans try to tar Obama  with the claim that while America went to the war to protect its' ally (and oil), he went on vacation.  
    And with Bush in China does Cheney get to call the shots?

    Speaking of bush....they just panned over (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 11:59:44 PM EST
    to him on the Olympics broadcast....he looks so bored and they caught him checking his watch...I will be so glad when he is gone from the scene.

    Maybe they will confer with obama on what to do about the Georgia/Russia flare-up.  He just went to Europe after all...:)

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    stream of consciousness (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by nellre on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:27:58 AM EST
    I have abandon hope for our political process, but America has Talent has filled the hole. Tears, laughter... a very good program in my opinion. Too much emotional manipulation, yes, but that's everywhere now. We're puppets on a string. They have our number... etc. And of course I dvr it. Can't stand commercials.

    Both my Hillary Teeshirts arrived today. Yeah!
    I am torn between framing both or wearing one of them every day until November.

    My discontent has not been assuaged by the DNC or the Obama campaign one bit. My disillusionment with my former political party goes as deep as it gets. The DNC simply doesn't represent the likes of me anymore.

    The GOP never did... so we need to live with what we got (Obama) for now, but not settle for it in the long term.

    Two colleages of mine are in Georgia (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:31:59 AM EST
    now.  We are waiting for word.

    Please think good thoughts for them.  They are wonderful, wonderful people.

    One of my favorite songs (none / 0) (#8)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:33:34 PM EST
    Coincidentally a friend of mine just texted me about it last night, asked me what album it is on, when it was released, etc* because it reminds her of me and an old boyfriend of mine.  Not sure what brought it to her mind.

    Anyway, I hope the Edwards' come out OK on the other side. I think they will.

    *The End of the Innocence, June 1989

    Kippered Salmon is fabulous (none / 0) (#15)
    by andgarden on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 08:45:14 PM EST
    and the best is in New York. MMMMM.

    I can't develop a taste for salmon. My family (none / 0) (#22)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:02:47 PM EST
    loves it but I've tried and just don't like it. I hate trout and I read they are in the same family so that must be why. I love every other fish I've tried.

    When do you start school?

    Parent

    I love salmon (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by andgarden on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:15:24 PM EST
    but I also like other fish. I think it's correct that trout is related. In any case, school starts soon!

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    Hey! Are you enjoying (none / 0) (#24)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:09:27 PM EST
    the weather?! My cats and dog are bouncing off the walls they are so confused. Me, I have CSA duty tomorrow, so I'm THRILLED! Who knew an outdoor commitment in NYC August could turn out this way  :)

    Parent
    Not bad. I got caught in the rain today, though. . (none / 0) (#29)
    by andgarden on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:17:10 PM EST
    Now I want salmon... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Little Fish on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 09:20:44 PM EST
    It's good in the NW too.  Copper River = mmmmmm.

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    You beet me to it -- See #47 (none / 0) (#49)
    by Rhouse on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:03:11 AM EST
    I started to post before your post went up and then got called away.   Gave links to the TimesOnline and Reuters reports on the conflict.

    Is Georgia still nuclear-armed? (none / 0) (#50)
    by MarkL on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:13:01 AM EST


    Its all sad (none / 0) (#53)
    by Nettle on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:47:52 AM EST
    There with you.  

    This all needs to stop.  I share your bad feeling.

    That said, the great Energy Games continue on and we seem to hear so little about all that, as if soley for the State Dept. and corporations to know about.   Why not some transparency instead of wars and occupations?  Is there a conflict that flares up  that really doesn't have to do with energy wars, overall?