Late Night: Hurricane

Hurricane Gustav is dominating the news. Bob Dylan is headlining Jazz Aspen tomorrow night. And I'm not going to pass up a chance to highlight the plight of the wrongfully convicted. So here's Bob Dylan singing "Hurricane" about Ruben "Hurricane" Carter.

Gov. Palin is yesterday's news. Big Tent Democrat may decide to write more about it, and you can continue the disussion on his threads. I've had enough. Time to change the conversation to other things. This is an open thread for other topics.

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    If we have 2 months (5.00 / 0) (#7)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:53:17 PM EST
    of trading who's insulting who barbs, I am going to scream! You're insulting this group, no you're insulting that group. Yuck.
    Issues, please!

    Sadly effective satire. (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Lysis on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:29:39 AM EST
    Last week,I was watching these two men argue over their houses.

    You don't know how many you have!

    Yeah! Well you had your mansion bought for you by a corrupt businessman!

    All I was thinking is, "Guys, we're having trouble paying for our house. Could you talk about how you're going to help us?"


    Yeah, rich people arguing over who is richer (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by SueBonnetSue on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:48:56 AM EST
    I wish democrats hadn't started that silly argument.  By the standards of 99% of Americans, Obama is quite rich.  People who live in glass houses (or big mansions).................

    No kidding. (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by janarchy on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:38:38 AM EST
    No one even brought up the Democrats who supported Obama like Pelosi, Kennedy and Kerry. Do we want to start talking about their real estate? What about Democratic celebrities like Bruce Springsteen? (I've driven past his mansion in Rumson, NJ. It's about the size of a city block...)

    It's just stupid. How about discussing actual issues and/or policies?


    Ohhh. Good one! (none / 0) (#16)
    by Joan in VA on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:14:48 AM EST
    This is a first for me on here...an open (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:55:02 PM EST
    thread that contains restrictions...oh well.

    Respectfully, if you must discuss Palin... (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:55:49 AM EST
    the issue is still being discussed on the Palin, Crist , Jindal And Kaine thread.

    For anybody chafing at the bit, the thread is still open and there's room.


    Not Palin - and hilarious (5.00 / 0) (#46)
    by andrys on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 05:35:33 AM EST
    The Daily Show's "Barack Obama: He Completes Us" VIDEO

    "The earthly son of a goat herder and an anthropologist, one man seems ready enough-ish to lead."

    (This is hilarious!)


    Psstt, re my suggestion... (none / 0) (#49)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:20:00 PM EST
    to go to the thread that was still open for comment on Palin: I didn't intend it as an admonishment.

    I had just come from that thread and was going back there to continue discussing the Palin subject. It was an invitation for other interested parties to come along.


    I am reminded of a relative of mine, (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Anne on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:02:08 AM EST
    who, every so often, will call me to vent and complain about the same thing she always vents about - my brother, who is her husband.  I listen, offer some feedback, try - yet again - to make some progress, but at some point she will just say, "okay, I don't want to talk about this anymore."

    Because it happens with some frequency, it doesn't hook me the way it used to; there's nothing quite so frustrating as having more to say and being told to shut up.  And be left holding the bag of someone else's emotions.

    tomorrow's another day (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:19:54 AM EST
    and I'm sure there will be more posts on Palin. Write out your comment and save it on your computer and post it when the topic comes around again.

    Anne....very much akin to the boy who (none / 0) (#15)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:04:38 AM EST
    cried wolf...kinda sorta :)

    Isn't it sad (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:14:55 AM EST
    when you're not positive whether it's satire?

    Nicely done, though. :)

    I guess this comment will be okay then. (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Lysis on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:25:41 AM EST
    Thanks to Jeralyn for being a good host at her blog.  While I disagree with her regarding Palin, I don't think anyone could argue that she didn't provide forum for plenty of discussion on the topic today, and one of the virtues of TalkLeft is that it's about more than just the topic of the day.

    I actually didn't get a chance to say (none / 0) (#33)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:06:02 AM EST
    What I wanted to say, but that's just cause the thread filled up too fast.

    I couldn't comment at all. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Joan in VA on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:15:06 AM EST
    Site too busy. I could read comments but never got a comment to go through.

    I just think it's comforting to know (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:46:20 AM EST
    That one's ability to express themselves in a whimsical way or to respectfully express disagreement is only limitted by the server capacity itself.

    the site crashed repeatedly today (none / 0) (#37)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:26:16 AM EST
    because too many people were trying to access it at the same time. The average length of a site visit here has shot up to 6 minutes. At most big blogs, they are a minute or less.

    This only happens on big news days and I'm reluctant to invest in another new server but am looking into it.

    There were over 1,000 comments today here on Palin.


    There may be a lot more big news days coming... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by EL seattle on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:10:25 AM EST
    Not because there will be big worthy news, but because the public has a taste for the thrill of it all.  Controversies, scandals, and stunning turns-of-events - it's like popcorn with sweet crack topping.  We can't get enough of it.

    6 minutes per site visit sounds pretty impressive to me.  But remember that the great Warner Brothers cartoons were all about 7 minutes long.  What did Bugs, Daffy, and co. have that you don't?

    ( Personally, I usually end up spending about a minute of every website visit trying to mentally decipher the various acronyms, slang, and abbreviations that are being used on that given day.  This probably averages two minutes per visit when there's a higher number of typos than usual. Sigh. )


    To inject a lighter note (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Valhalla on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:32:43 AM EST
    Here's the Onion's news take on electoral demographics:


    Had me LOL.  Esp. the end.

    note: non-Palin and non-partisan.

    bwahahahah (none / 0) (#25)
    by andgarden on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:38:17 AM EST
    I wonder if Mark Penn or Karl Rove tipped them off about the "corduroy wearing homosexuals."  

    Are "corduroy wearing homosexuals" (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:15:54 AM EST
    really that big of a demographic group?  What about "plaid wearing homosexuals"?  Or folks of "all stripe"?  



    I don't think Mark Penn (none / 0) (#29)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:49:20 AM EST
    Is anything like Karl Rove.

    They're both into microtargeting, which (none / 0) (#30)
    by andgarden on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:50:11 AM EST
    is the subject of the video.

    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:51:06 AM EST
    But one thinks voters are smart and the other thinks voters are dumb.

    Any word on Republican Convention? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 06:29:14 AM EST
    CNN was reporting that they may postpone it until after Gustav. They don't want to be seen partying while the country is suffering. Smart concept! I guess they're afraid of another Katrina backlash.

    In case people aren't completely Palined out, (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:38:02 PM EST
    I'm still wondering just how vetted she was.

    ABC News gives the impression that the answer is: not very.

    It wasn't until Sunday night that John McCain, after meeting with his four top advisers, finally decided he could not tap independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut to be his running mate.

    over the next few days, with McCain continuing to believe he needed someone who had more of a maverick streak than his other choices, lawyers reviewed her vetting information. They kept their activities from even some in McCain's most senior inner circle.


    apparently more vetted than Hillary. (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Lysis on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:26:49 AM EST
    Sorry, couldn't resist!

    please, enough Palin (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:39:26 PM EST
    Please save it for Big Tent's threads. Thanks, andgarden.

    Gotcha (none / 0) (#6)
    by andgarden on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:49:15 PM EST
    LOL (none / 0) (#3)
    by Edgar08 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:42:10 PM EST
    That's pretty funny.

    Like it or not, there may be some truth (none / 0) (#5)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:47:35 PM EST
    to that

    hmmmm (none / 0) (#9)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:57:36 PM EST

    The selection of Denver as a host city was an insult to Colorado voters.

    Apparently the McCain campaign statement begs the question...if it is an insult to choose Denver, then why did Denver ask to be chosen? Obviously the McCain campaign doesn't believe residents of Denver have any clue as to what is good for their city or state.

    that's not what begging the question means (none / 0) (#24)
    by angie on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:35:38 AM EST
    begging the question means a circular argument. McCain's statement raises the question.

    Sorry to get all Ms. Grammar here, but the incorrect use of this phrase is a pet peeve of mine.
    Same thing happens when I hear people say "between you and I."


    No Problem (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by CoralGables on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:42:59 AM EST
    Actually, that would be getting all Ms. Incorrect Use on me rather than going Ms. Grammar. No problem though, we'll keep it just between you and I ...lol (couldn't resist)

    touche! (none / 0) (#34)
    by angie on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:10:22 AM EST
    LOL -- I've got a case of insomnia right now so I'm dead tire but still can't sleep! Good one though.

    Love the Dylan pick, Jeralyn. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:58:44 PM EST

    So perhaps it can be explained (none / 0) (#19)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:22:59 AM EST
    Why my humorous comment was deleted but not the humorous comment I am responding to here?

    Why is the site not cutting off threads (none / 0) (#26)
    by Joan in VA on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:39:45 AM EST
    at 200? Isn't that the usual? Maybe that has something to do with the site overload lately.

    threads close automatically at 200 comments (none / 0) (#38)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:28:50 AM EST
    But sometimes if a person's screen is open on the post before the shut off it lets them post another comment. None of this is rocket science, it's a script that's in place and it does change the thread from "comments enabled" to "read only" when the 200th comment is posted, but some get through after that, probably for the reason I just gave.

    Oh. I looked at some of the earlier (none / 0) (#40)
    by Joan in VA on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:46:13 AM EST
    threads and noticed that some people were still commenting on them even though they were at well over 200 (which I had thought couldn't happen).

    Let's say (none / 0) (#42)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:52:37 AM EST
    Lets say the comment total is 198 and someone starts writing their comment.  And while they're scanning their thesaurus for the perfect word, 20 people post comments.

    When they finally post their comment it would, in effect, be the 219th comment.


    If comments are deleted... (none / 0) (#44)
    by EL seattle on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:16:46 AM EST
    ... does that open up the slots, but keep the identification sequence going?  For instance, if 35 comments (say, #20-55) had to be deleted, would the last number recorded when the comments closed be "#235".

    I'm just curious about it.


    Yes (none / 0) (#45)
    by CoralGables on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:29:52 AM EST
    Love that tune.... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 09:49:06 AM EST
    "In Paterson that's just the way things go..."

    You ain't kiddin' Bob.

    great pick (none / 0) (#50)
    by ohmercy on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:49:17 PM EST
    Love this song, and that man! great to clear the head from the insanity and inanity from politics for a while.

    In fact I'm getting off the interwebs, putting on some Dylan and dancing about the house.

    I just saw the man a couple of weeks  ago here in Asbury Park, He is still the best, my one and only imaginary boyfriend.


    gotta know amy sedaris for the laugh.

    Anyone from this area of NJ here?