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Here is an Open Thread for those who want to discuss things not FISA Capitulation. You are on your own till J and Chris show up. So behave.

Sorry, one last FISA thing. The Senate will have the following issues: (1) Dodd Amendment to strike telco immunity (2) Specter Amendment to require court rule on constitutionality of surveillance programs; (3) Bingaman Amendment to delay immunity until 90 days after completion of Inspector General Report (all will fail).

After that the biggies, a cloture motion (Obama will vote for cloture, what will Hillary do?) and on the bill (ditto).

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    So... (5.00 / 0) (#2)
    by Kevin on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:43:22 AM EST
    I know 10 posts about Obama and FISA are important and all, but how about something about McCain's "Social Security is a disgrace", or any of his other assinine comments?  

    We're supposed to go after the other guy...eventually...right?  Or is this like the press and the "wait 'till after...(insert random future date here) for us to go after him..."

    You do realize that Obama (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by americanincanada on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:46:29 AM EST
    also feels SS is in crisis, right?

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    So go ahead and post about it here. (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by DFLer on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:46:37 AM EST
    Here's your chance on the open thread to do so.

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    Easier to moan about how someone else (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:47:48 AM EST
    runs her blog.

    Parent
    heh - AG (5.00 / 0) (#73)
    by DFLer on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:24:43 PM EST
    I've been waiting for an open thread to ask you, is your first name is House?

    Parent
    That's rich (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Democratic Cat on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:59:23 AM EST
    Obama supporters are usually so supportive of the "Wait until after [[date]]" to go after him.

    Sorry, but Sen. McCain's ridiculous comment on social security pales in importance in comparison to subversion of the Consitution.

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    Speaking of McCain... (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by indy in sc on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:52:31 AM EST
    That "joke" he made about exporting cigarettes to Iran being a way of "killing them" is just another in a string of examples that have me truly frightened about the possibility of a McCain presidency.  Not because I think he desires to kill Iranians (though he does joke about it an awful lot), but because his off-the-cuff comments completely undermine any legitimate policy we might try to have in the region.  How do you persuade someone to back off of their nuclear ambitions when you are constantly making light of killing their people?

    I'm extremely unhappy (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by madamab on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:53:33 AM EST
    about both presumptive nominees right now.

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    But he's the "serious" candidate (none / 0) (#21)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:01:50 AM EST
    That, plus his 'social security is a disgrace' comment yesterday remind me what a loose cannon he really is.

    Where is the media firestorm over these comments? I may never know, since I refuse to watch anymore.

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    The McCainStream Media (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by madamab on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:05:11 AM EST
    never calls him on these things. How many times has he mistaken Sunni for Shi'a again?

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    McCain has created an opening (none / 0) (#79)
    by Demi Moaned on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:00:56 PM EST
    ... for Obama to 'move to the center' on Social Security now, too.

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    Chuck Schumer chatting excitedly (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:55:38 AM EST
    with Chris Dodd on the floor of the Senate.

    Voting on the Dodd (none / 0) (#14)
    by americanincanada on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:57:15 AM EST
    amendment. Is Clinton there yet? I couldn't tell.

    Parent
    The Feingold-Dodd amendment (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:09:19 AM EST
    if you please.  I'm proud of my Senator from Wisconsin today.

    Parent
    We'll know soon enough. (none / 0) (#15)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:57:46 AM EST
    Obama and Clinton voted Aye. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Democratic Cat on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:11:21 AM EST
    The Economy (5.00 / 5) (#18)
    by Carolyn in Baltimore on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:58:55 AM EST
    Hardly anyone is alive who has lived through a real depression in America.
    I don't think people really believe how bad it will get. Dollar lost 40%, oil will impact food prices even more, the mortgage crisis is making our homes worthless and impacting savings. Public transportation is in shambles and GM may go into bankruptcy. US Debt has never been higher.

    So the economic plans of candidates are very important. McCain's is kooky and makes no sense. Obama's is just bad and unrealistic.

    We need a plan to put $ into infrastructure, create new jobs, and balance the budget and prepare for alot of misery. No one is talking about those things.

    Dismantling the Constitution has priority (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:16:46 AM EST
    over the economy. Redefining exceptions on abortions has priority over whether or not you can make ends meet. Expanding faith based initiatives will  man the food pantries so job creation will not be too important. Please get your priorities straight. Obama and the New Democratic Party is way of the future. BTW, you have no where else to go.

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    I don't know.... (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:04:22 PM EST
    how bad its gonna get, but I'd imagine its gonna get real ugly in the next year or two.  One thing I do know is the govt. will be little to no help, it's up to us to figure out how to get by.

    I'm trying to stock up on canned goods little by little with each shopping trip, got at least 50 cans of Chef Boyardee so far.  Plus me and the roomies are making preliminary sketches for a wood burning stove to help heat the place this winter, once we run 'em by several of our friends in the trades for suggestions/improvements we will show them to our landlady and see if we can work out a deal and build that sucka.  A friend of my uncle's has a wood burner and he said he got by with one tank of oil for the whole winter....if we could pull off something similar we'll save like 5 grand between us.

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    Wood burning stoves (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Molly Pitcher on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:19:20 PM EST
    are wonderful.  But get long, long leather gloves.  I cut, hauled, and stacked wood and fed 2 stoves from '80 until around '97 when we started having winters too warm fot the stoves to draw.  Part of that time we had no working furnace (never one where the second stove was).  

    I have one with the catalytic addition now in another house--harder to use.  Tips for a stove: if possible have brick  behind it; works best if recessed (the surround retains heat).  You can put a plain old fan behind the stove to get more hot air out into the room--the fancy ones that had an internal fan just blew soot around.

    Bonus: without hot air circulating thru the vents. we stopped passing colds around to each other.

    Oh, and learn to clean your chimney; a brush with rope on either end can be pulled up through the pipe and then back down.  If you are using an existing chimney and can cope with heights, you might need a brush.

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    Thank you so much... (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:32:07 PM EST
    me and my roomies are rank amatuers....this project should be an adventure:)  Thanks for the tips...

     

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    There are still a few (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Molly Pitcher on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:08:05 PM EST
    of us.  I was a depression baby and lucky because my dad was forced into a new, much more rewarding field.  I don't remember being poor.  But college friends only a year or so older had tales to tell.  

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    I was raised by Depression-era parents (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:17:33 PM EST
    and still remember the recipe to "shadow soup."  

    And I used to freek my ex with other recipes with which I was raised -- always using filler such as soggy, squeezed-out bread in burgers and meatloaf to "stretch."  He was an only child, but I came from a big family, so my parents continued their Depression-era ways continued to make every dollar "stretch," too.

    What I remember most is that my dad always watered down the ketchup when the bottle was only halfway through.  Ugh.  Ruined many a fine plate of french fries.  To this day, I'm not fond of ketchup.  Fortunately, a new restaurant in town based on Belgian beer and food has taught me European ways.  I still can't put mayo on fries -- but dipping fries in peanut sauce?  Mmmmm.

    But there you have a few ideas for getting through the economy to come.  Save those soup bones to wave over a pot of boiling water.

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    My great unlce was just a little kid.... (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:34:21 PM EST
    but he told us stories about neighborhood people hunting and eating pigeons during the depression....and of course Hoover-ville.

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    I show my students photos (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:06:04 PM EST
    I found of a Hooverville here, in their town.  And they do a reading about people here raising pigeons for food.

    And now you remind me of an uncle of ours who hit the road as a hobo for a while, a young guy who couldn't get work -- until the CCC.  And my dad dropped out of college.  And my grandpa, a teacher (and widower with five mouths to feed) was only paid in scrip for a while.  He could do calligraphy, though, so picked up some bucks at the end of every school year by lettering the names on diplomas for high schools for miles around.  He trained my dad, the oldest, to do calligraphy, too, to help -- and years later, my dad still could do beautiful lettering.  (But his penmanship was horrible.:-)

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    I don't know, I think lots of 80+ (5.00 / 0) (#84)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:35:23 PM EST
    folks are still around including my parents. I definitely heard lots of stories of the depression. As well as lots of stories of WWII of my dad and many other relatives. And yes, things can get really bad. What really makes me worry is how every aspect of our economy and infrastructure is based on the assumption of cheep oil. We may be in for a bumpy ride.

    Parent
    Are you saying (none / 0) (#62)
    by echinopsia on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:46:52 AM EST
    that this would not be the right time to build my garage? I have the loan and everything.

    Parent
    Garage (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Carolyn in Baltimore on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:13:14 PM EST
    I actually am finishing (insulating etc) the upstairs to my garage - I can rent it out or heat it quite cheaply compared to the house......

    Parent
    bslev22 (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:10:05 AM EST
    If you are around -- I only just noticed the responses to my comment about having to give to a candidate because of social and business protocols being creepy.

    I was not calling you creepy, or impugning your integrity.  I said I was glad that didn't happen in my circles precisely because I would not want to have to make that choice or have that kind of pressure on me.

    The creepy people are the ones who are creating an atmosphere where folks would feel they have to give to any candidate (and yes, I include Clinton supporters) as part of their workplace.  That is just not right.

    Well (5.00 / 0) (#39)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:13:28 AM EST
    As a professional, I feel that making the occasional political donation to satisfy a client is just part of doing business, like donating to their favorite charity or giving them free tickets to a ballgame.  I don't get reimbursed for my donation, obviously, but at the end of the day I make more money by having a stable of happy clients.

    I would feel icky if anyone other than a highly compensated professional felt pressured to donate, though.  I mean, we don't even ask the associates to kick in for these things, let alone the staff.

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    Webb votes No and so (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Anne on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:14:36 AM EST
    does McCaskill?  Did I hear that right?

    Interesting.

    Both Webb and McCaskill have consistent (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:27:15 AM EST
    records of voting in support of Bush on this issue. No surprises here at all.

    Parent
    A Clarification (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by echinopsia on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:42:30 AM EST
    Thanks (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by janarchy on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:59:04 PM EST
    for the laugh. I needed it! :)

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    correction, that should be Obama (RL-IL) :-) n/t (5.00 / 0) (#85)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:36:50 PM EST
    Behave (none / 0) (#1)
    by Lahdee on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:40:36 AM EST
    Behave is so relative. And what of the children?


    On this: (none / 0) (#3)
    by Faust on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:46:27 AM EST
    After that the biggies, a cloture motion (Obama will vote for cloture, what will Hillary do?) and on the bill (ditto).

    Has Hillary not released a position?

    According to her office staffers (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:51:54 AM EST
    she will vote no on FISA.  Jawbone diligently called her office yesterday (more than once I think) and was told she'd vote no.

    I don't think there's been any official statement, though.

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    I really hope...beyond hope (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by americanincanada on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:53:21 AM EST
    that's true. My respect for her will grow...if that's possible.

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    I just spoke to a staffer (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by madamab on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:00:56 AM EST
    in her DC office, and she has not promised to vote either way according to him. He says she is opposed to retroactive immunity but has not committed to voting against the bill.

    I suspect she has "unity" on her mind and is hoping against hope that Obama will flip the other way and vote "no" on the bill.

    I'm only saying this because in the past, she has voted against telecom immunity and vowed to support the Dodd filibuster.

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    I guess it depends (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by americanincanada on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:05:49 AM EST
    on who you get on the phone when you call then. I have heard frm several people this morning that they were told, when they called, that she was voting with Schumer.

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    Good - I thought (5.00 / 0) (#28)
    by madamab on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:07:57 AM EST
    that might be the case.

    She and Chuck are usually a tag team on these issues.

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    If she votes with Obama (4.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:04:28 AM EST
    It will tell me she does not have designs on 2012. This is the equivalent of the AUMF vote, in my book.

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    I think you may be right about that. (5.00 / 0) (#27)
    by madamab on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:07:18 AM EST
    She can be herself and vote the way she thinks is right, or she can try to please the Party in the pursuit of "unity."

    If she votes her conscience, she may be signaling a break from the Obama camp, and that she will run again in 2012.

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    Ya know, Hillary should be able to see, by (none / 0) (#83)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:33:57 PM EST
    her support and the money raised for bringing down her debt, that she doesn't really need to bow to obama.  I think this is her chance to get out from under.  Do the right thing Hillary!!

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    Tourists! (none / 0) (#9)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:53:05 AM EST
    Overheard at Ground Zero this morning: "Excuse me, sir, what are they building here?"

    Are You Sure They Were Tourists? (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:58:45 AM EST
    Because the locals are asking the same question.

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    Heh! (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:05:30 AM EST
    If I were king, they would have been back up the following week, and taller than the last ones.

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    Amen to that Steve.... (5.00 / 0) (#67)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:10:48 PM EST
    just as they were, one floor higher...and maybe a giant middle finger on top for good measure.

    It's embarassing whats gone down at the WTC.

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    Yes (5.00 / 0) (#70)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:15:11 PM EST
    but the finger would have to face east!

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    East to Saudi Arabia... (5.00 / 0) (#77)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:37:48 PM EST
    and one on the other tower south towards DC...cover all the bases:)

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    And If I Were King (none / 0) (#80)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:14:07 PM EST
    I would plant a forest and meadow. The serf would be much happier that way.

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    Does anyone really know? heh. (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:55:12 AM EST
    Well (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:58:25 AM EST
    From her tone, she wasn't exactly asking which of the design proposals ultimately got accepted.

    It isn't really that hard to mistake Ground Zero for the World's Largest Construction Site, though.  They haven't exactly gussied it up.

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    It is such a freaking disgrace (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by madamab on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:03:59 AM EST
    that the WTC site is still a smoking hole. WTF.

    I met a couple from Baton Rouge while I was on vacation, and they said that they think it will take seven more years to rebuild New Orleans. I said, "Well, we're no better in New York - it's been almost seven years and we haven't made any progress on rebuilding the World Trade Center."

    Sometimes I imagine what would have happened if Al Gore had been allowed to take his place as our rightful President. The world would be a very different place right now.

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    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:09:46 AM EST
    more or less of a disgrace than the fact that bin Laden and al-Zawahiri are still at large?  I know we're a civilized country, but I still think the construction would go faster if we had their heads on a pike out front.

    It's like we have no ability to set national priorities and get them done any more.  Maybe, in hindsight, it was a mistake to elect a totally incompetent President.  Also, did you see the GOP Congressman a few months back who said there shouldn't be any more federal money for Ground Zero because, after all, it was just kind of a local incident involving a fire?

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    Obviously (none / 0) (#47)
    by madamab on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:19:46 AM EST
    OBL and Zawahiri could have been captured in Tora Bora, had we really wanted to get them in custody.

    Bush and his cronies are far too interested in using 9/11 as a fearmongering election tool to allow any of those wounds to heal. Unfortunately for Rudy Giuliani, Americans are not as afraid of the boogeyman any more.

    Meanwhile...that Republican did NOT say that about the WTC. Why, why, do Republicans hate America?

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    Man (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:21:56 AM EST
    You should have heard the tongue-lashing that guy got from the NY delegation, including the Republican ones.  Peter King, the odious Republican from Long Island who once said Karl Rove should get a medal for outing Valerie Plame, said: "New York was attacked by al-Qaeda.  It doesn't need to be attacked by Congress."

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    You know you are a jack@ss (5.00 / 0) (#55)
    by madamab on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:31:12 AM EST
    when you are to the right of Peter King.

    I hope that Congresscritter is kicked out very soon. ;-)

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    There was NY Rep that really (none / 0) (#65)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:08:08 PM EST
    ripped on the dude from CA. He said he actually felt like hitting him right there in the house! He was on a few shows supporting Clinton during this time. I was pretty shocked seeing the guy from CA make those comments.

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    He also said America wasn't attacked (none / 0) (#66)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:09:46 PM EST
    NY was, iirc.

    Parent
    I Am OK With That Sentiment (3.00 / 0) (#81)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:19:07 PM EST
    Considering the shift rightward from the rest of the country. Often  when traveling I say that I live on a small island off the coast of America.

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    Heh, good point (none / 0) (#82)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:32:40 PM EST
    I refer to myself as a coastie having only lived in NY and CA  ;)  Saying I was from SF was always good for a positive response. One Irish guy even commented on my cute accent, lol!~

    Parent
    Sometimes I wish (none / 0) (#87)
    by CST on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 03:49:09 PM EST
    The "people's republic of massachusetts" was more than just a bumper sticker.  Every member of the house and senate from MA voted against FISA (expect Kennedy who I don;t think was there).  We have gay marriage, no death penalty, the best economy in the country, and of course, the best sports!

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    You FOrgot UHC (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 04:07:10 PM EST
    That too (none / 0) (#89)
    by CST on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 04:25:15 PM EST
    Plus good schools, good public transit (in Boston), I could keep going for hours.  As long as we were included in NAFTA and didn't have to pay import/export fees.  Also, I wouldn't really want to need an army so we'd need to convince the rest of the country they don't want us, so we don't have to fight them, but they still want to protect us from invaders, because it's better to have Massachusans than Canadians there, or something.  Also I don't want to show my passport to go to ny so we'd need to set up a EU type of thing where you can still go back and forth.

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    Obama Aye on the Dodd amendment (none / 0) (#29)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:08:31 AM EST
    But let's see where he is on cloture. . .

    I saw that. (none / 0) (#31)
    by americanincanada on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:09:25 AM EST
    Have not heard yet how Clinton voted. I think Obama may be putting up a show knowing this won't pass.

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    Clinton votes Aye, too. (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:10:38 AM EST
    She just voted aye (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:10:42 AM EST
    Doesn't matter: this one's failing.

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    Of course it will fail (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by americanincanada on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:11:20 AM EST
    that's the only reason Obama voted Aye.

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    Fails, 32/66 (none / 0) (#45)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:17:16 AM EST
    One more vote for it than last time.

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    Clinton: Aye (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by themomcat on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:12:38 AM EST
    As I would expect from HRC.

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    McCaskill (none / 0) (#40)
    by americanincanada on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:13:53 AM EST
    voted no.

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    Her teenage daughter told McCaskill (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:33:19 AM EST
    to vote no, I'm sure, since that's where the Congresswoman from Missouri gets her advice.

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    Does that vote surprise anyone? (none / 0) (#51)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:25:20 AM EST
    She'll probably brag about it later. She spends a lot of time polishing her bright and shiny bipartisan creds. I am totally ashamed that she represents my state and even more so because she has a "D" after her name.

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    You think YOU feel bad? (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Democratic Cat on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:27:03 AM EST
    I gave her money through Emily's List when she ran for the Senate.  Can I apply for a refund?

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    You would feel worse if you not only (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:37:33 AM EST
    contributed money but actually worked to get her elected. I feel bad about all the people I convinced to vote for her and all the times that I disputed the argument that she would just be more of the same. I knew she would not be great but actually didn't think she would be this bad. I wish we both could get a refund.

    If she runs for reelection in 2012, she has my solemn promise that I will work twice as hard to make sure she is a one term Senator.

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    Every time she votes with the GOP (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:28:20 AM EST
    I get madder and madder just thinking about this beautiful diary and the people described in it.

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    At least she is consistent (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by standingup on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:32:56 AM EST
    She consistently sucks as a Senator.  I am ashamed that I donated and volunteered time to help get her elected.  Of course we all know she was not elected as much as Talent was voted out.  

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    Feinstein also NO on Feingold/Dodd (none / 0) (#74)
    by DFLer on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:28:01 PM EST
    For some reason (none / 0) (#42)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:14:54 AM EST
    I cannot get the live stream from C-SPAN to load in either of my browsers.  Maybe the entire netroots is tuned in watching.

    Me either but I can get the audio only part (none / 0) (#43)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:15:39 AM EST
    so it's a bit confusing but at least I can hear what's gonig on.

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    Specter is back to bald (none / 0) (#46)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:18:38 AM EST
    I wonder if he's going to make it through this round of chemo.

    I wish him luck (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:19:49 AM EST
    My colleague's 81-year old dad is going through chemo.  I frankly had no idea they even did chemo at that age.  He must be a tough customer.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:20:46 AM EST
    Cancer is hard. Specter has a sense of humor about him, but who knows. . .

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    Publicly, Specter puts up a brave front (5.00 / 0) (#58)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:34:41 AM EST
    with the humor.  I've seen it before, and it means double the courage is required to take care of others around them, too.

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    You see many (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:11:29 PM EST
    elderly ladies wandering around grocery stores wearing wigs.  It isn't far-fetched to suspect that they are undergoing chemo.

    The cancer risk grows with age.  Good liver, kidneys, heart and you can get through it.

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    He must be in good health (none / 0) (#61)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:46:29 AM EST
    or at least his liver and kidneys are.

    You need those organs to clear the chemo drugs from the body.  I wished I had known what a total lie we were told about my grandmother - they were waiting for her to get her strength back to do chemo.  The cancer was in her liver.  No chemo was possible but the family decided against telling the relatives the truth.  

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