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McCain on Obama as Media Darling

Subtitle - I told you so. Via TPM, McCain is whining that Obama is the Media Darling:

The campaign of John McCain -- who once described the media as his "base" -- has come up with a pretty creative way to portray the media as "in love" with Barack Obama, blasting two versions of this video right into the in-boxes of the swooning reporters themselves...

Of course, most of the clips are from when Obama was running against Hillary Clinton. But still, I have been vindicated. Told you he is the Media Darling.

Speaking for me only

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    He's not whining. He's mocking. (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by masslib on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:07:32 PM EST
    I see nothing wrong with that.

    I did not say there was anything worng with it (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:09:57 PM EST
    I am saying I was right and you were wrong.

    I am saying nah nah nah nah nah!

     . . .

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    Well we know how the media has reacted before (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Chisoxy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:56:48 PM EST
    when being called left wing biased (gore, Kerry). It's way too early to say this is going to hold up. It was one thing when Clintons people mentioned it, this is Republican John McCain pointing out the bias, we'll see how they stand up to that.

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    Oh no, you mistake we for someone else. I (none / 0) (#5)
    by masslib on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:12:00 PM EST
    never said the press would stop it's collective hard-on for Obama.  

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    Someone should alert the press (5.00 / 7) (#38)
    by Radiowalla on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:26:06 PM EST
    to this:

    Warning: Anyone with an erection lasting more than 4 hours needs medical assistance immediately, because of the risk of tissue damage which could cause permanent loss of potency.


    Parent
    Ah (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:14:37 PM EST
    Well good for you.

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    It's perfect. (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by misspeach2008 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:13:42 PM EST
    Not a whine in it. Just a great big ol' mirror for the MSM to take a look into.  Do you suppose he'll post one for bloggers, too? Too bad Hillary couldn't have done this months ago.

    Parent
    I guess mocking something (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by lizpolaris on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:14:28 PM EST
    that's true makes it whining?

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    Oh come on (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:15:08 PM EST
    Of course it is whining.

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    It is whining (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:22:56 PM EST
    But I like this style of whining better than issuing a statement about how "disappointed" he is.

    Not that he hasn't also done that, for all I know.

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    Mocking is the best sort of whining (5.00 / 6) (#47)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:33:43 PM EST
    and the media deserve it, of course.  They are a joke.

    Frankly, Obama could take some lessons in using humor.

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    All I can say is... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by mike in dc on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:09:30 PM EST
    ...thank goodness for that.  After 2000 and 2004, I'd much rather have some favorable media coverage going into the November election than otherwise.  

    Me too (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:10:49 PM EST
    I never understood why Obama supporters got mad at me when I said he was the Media Darling.

    It is an asset, a huge one.

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    I find it creepy. The media love affiar for (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by masslib on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:14:58 PM EST
    Obama goes beyond anything they felt for Bush.

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    Well (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:15:51 PM EST
    I did not say it was normal or good journalism. I said it was a tremendous political benefit.

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    Yes, it's great for Obama. (5.00 / 16) (#27)
    by masslib on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:21:47 PM EST
    It certainly helped him look victorious when he lost each of the final four months of the primary.

    Parent
    I guess he'll get those (5.00 / 5) (#84)
    by dk on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:58:46 PM EST
    school voucher and department of faith bills passed for sure, eh?  Whatever he wants.  Wonderful.

    Parent
    I tend to think a fawning media (5.00 / 12) (#96)
    by Salo on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:05:46 PM EST
    enable atrocity to happen. But that's just me of course.  It's a career political benefit to the object of the adulation OTOH there will be a bill to pay for the Ballad of Tingling Legs.

    Parent
    It's (5.00 / 6) (#166)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:03:55 PM EST
    what got us Bush and Iraq. Is it really the best thing for the country?

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    Can you say.... (none / 0) (#203)
    by mike in dc on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:35:05 PM EST
    ..."false equivalence", boys and girls?

    Correlation<>causation, and all that.

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    I think it will boomerang (5.00 / 3) (#197)
    by OxyCon on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:33:01 PM EST
    ...either before the election or while Obama is in office. It's like I said way back when the primary was beginning, which is that it is a very long way down from the lofty perch everyone (including himself especially )is placing Obama on.
    We've all had one of those romances that just takes off right away, where everything is so right (especially the physical side) that eventually goes red hot, then in a instance flames out.
    That's who Obama is, and that's how these relationships usually always end.

    Parent
    What about (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by rottenart on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:33:33 PM EST
    Mr. Straight Shooter? You think the coverage for Mccain has been Fair and Balanced?

    Parent
    Great article in the Times. . . (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:14:41 PM EST
    in which McCain advisers are quoted -- verbatim and on the record -- referring to Obama as "the One" in terms of the media coverage he gets.  They sound pretty bitter.

    It's ironic, of course, since McCain's whole national profile is built on fawning media coverage.  

    No question the irony is sweet (5.00 / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:16:18 PM EST
    Time to put a fly in the ointment though. (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by Salo on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:12:02 PM EST
    McCain didn't exactly enjoy victory against Bush when he was the media pick. Bradley stumbled badly too. So we will have to see exactly what price the media are trying to squeeze out of McCain for better coverage.  A media merger perhaps?

    Parent
    The sweet smell of infection and rot (5.00 / 4) (#199)
    by myiq2xu on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:33:18 PM EST
    is not a good thing.

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    Obama is The One (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Radiowalla on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:39:14 PM EST
    as far as the press is concerned.   You can practically hear them crooning:

    "One singular sensation
    Every little step he takes.
    One thrilling combination
    Every move that he makes.
    One smile and suddenly nobody else will do;
    You know you'll never be lonely with you know who.
    One moment in his presence
    And you can forget the rest.
    For the guy is second best
    To none,
    Son.
    Ooooh! Sigh! Give him your attention.
    Do...I...really have to mention?
    He's the One?"


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    damn you! (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by ccpup on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:04:13 PM EST
    I'm now stuck with horrifying images of Andrea Mitchell, David Gergen and Chris Matthews strutting around in top hats and heels.

    I need a stiff drink.  Or two.

    Parent

    Come and join me.... (5.00 / 3) (#105)
    by Radiowalla on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:13:39 PM EST
    These folks drove me to drink long ago.

    Parent
    well (5.00 / 4) (#117)
    by ccpup on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:22:56 PM EST
    I prefer my drinking to be done in a dark corner curled up in a fetal position while taking long swigs from a bottle when I'm not breaking into disbelieving sobs or occasional shouts of "godda*n them all!"

    But maybe next time?

    (hiccup)

    :-)

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    ccpup...not to worry...Andrea is upset (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:00:43 PM EST
    because no reporters were with obama during his first few stops on The Network Groupie Tour...the Pentagon is choosing the photos being released.  And Gergen finds obama's competing with a sitting president, i.e. negotiating with those in foreign lands, a bit abhorrent.  

    As fast as the media is in your corner; they will gang up against you even faster.

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    waiting on Sher's downrating.... (5.00 / 3) (#165)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:02:16 PM EST
    You Too> (5.00 / 2) (#201)
    by JimWash08 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:34:08 PM EST
    I'm glad there's someone else around here who's noticed sher's penchant for the 1s and 2s.

    Must be Obama himself -- during downtime from all the strenuous photo-calls and waving and teleprompter-reading -- trolling TL and downrating us. :)

    Parent

    Radiowalla and ccpup (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by prittfumes on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:10:06 PM EST
    Gales of laughter, gales of glee.
    Beam me up.
    Now!

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    thank you for coming (5.00 / 2) (#174)
    by ccpup on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:12:03 PM EST
    and try the veal!

    ba-duh-bum

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    that is funny (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:14:44 PM EST
    I wish Hillary would have been able to get away with something like that. This is what I meant when I said in the primaries that she had come nowhere near taking the gloves off with Obama.

    I know Obama's people could do a similar thing with all the glowing things reporters have said about McCain over the years.  They should.

    Oh Hillary could not get away with it (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:16:46 PM EST
    But McCain has lost his base.

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    Yep - a McCain scorned (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:18:55 PM EST
    Hell hath no fury

    Parent
    well (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:21:26 PM EST
    polls say (I hate that phrase) he has almost 90% of rebublicans to about 74 for Obama and the democrats.

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    This video is aimed at his (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:25:18 PM EST
    other base - the righties who will rally around him if they think the "liberal media" is biased against him.

    Parent
    Or rather the base he is trying to make his (none / 0) (#39)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:26:08 PM EST
    would be a better way to say it.

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    This will win him sympathy (none / 0) (#44)
    by misspeach2008 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:29:46 PM EST
    from Hillary's supporters - another group he's trying to attract.

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    Only the shallowest Hillary supporter (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:33:21 PM EST
    would be drawn to McCain because of this.

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    Well, I did feel the sympathy (5.00 / 5) (#52)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:35:45 PM EST
    Still not voting for him however.  I'm not the shallowest. ;-)

    Parent
    True, but it will resonate (5.00 / 0) (#53)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:36:02 PM EST
    and remind again of the behavior of the media in the primaries, and the refusal of Obama and other Dem leaders to do a d*mn thing about it, etc. . . .

    And that can't be good for the Dems.

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    Anyone who expected Dem leaders (5.00 / 0) (#60)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:40:13 PM EST
    to object to the positive media coverage Obama was getting was not being realistic.

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    Huh? (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by standingup on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:53:11 PM EST
    The objection should have been to the media treatment of Hillary, not Obama?  

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    Well, this McCain video says not a word (none / 0) (#88)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:00:39 PM EST
    about Hillary, so far as I can see.

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    What (none / 0) (#69)
    by rottenart on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:51:02 PM EST
    would the response be? Why in the world would anyone disavow positive coverage?

    I don't think the Obama camp has any illusions that the end of the honeymoon isn't right around the corner.

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    Not quite the same situation (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:46:44 PM EST
    The media is not slamming McCain like it did Hillary.  The Dem leaders should have spoken out about that.  They are just ignoring McCain - which might be worse for him - and his campaign and other Republicans are speaking up about that.

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    Didn't say they would vote for him. (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by misspeach2008 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:38:19 PM EST
    Just said they would be sympathetic. Which would give them some common ground. Which would be a place to start a conversation. Put them in the same room, so to speak.

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    True (5.00 / 0) (#48)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:33:57 PM EST
    It will at least elicit sympathetic nods, if not actual votes.

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    Doubt it (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:00:20 PM EST
    His base was the media. Always. (none / 0) (#32)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:23:20 PM EST
    Hillary could not question the manliness (5.00 / 3) (#122)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:29:21 PM EST
    of the manly, manly men like Chris Mathews. . . .

    This is another in the really well-done videos from the McCain camp.  And this particular one is going to my journalism prof friends, in hope that they may show future journalists how foolish they can look.

    Of course, it also is going to many of my women friends, who will have a howl with the manly, manly darlingmakers. :-)  

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    Oh, that desperate, shrill McCain! (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by lilburro on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:15:43 PM EST
    One day he likes the media, the next day he blasts them!  How Sybil-like of him!  

    I look forward to seeing how his protest is characterized in the media.

    legitimate (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by waldenpond on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:22:38 PM EST
    They were covering this yesterday.  Teebee kept repeating different polls that say Obama receives favoritism, more coverage, and the media is trying to help him win.  

    I had the impression this over the top coverage is part of what let to Obama's less than strong finish.

    BTD, why do you feel vindicated?  Did anyone actually argue with you whether Obama was the media darling?   Some may have questioned whether it would last, but I only remember a couple of Obama supporters proclaiming Obama wasn't getting favorable treatment.

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    it was interesting (5.00 / 9) (#121)
    by ccpup on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:27:49 PM EST
    the more favorable his coverage became towards March, April and May -- and the more calls for Hillary to drop out were heard --, the worse he performed.  It was almost as if the Democratic Primary voters had changed their minds about Barack and were giving a very obvious middle finger salute to the Press for shoving him down their throats.

    Even with this adoring coverage, he STILL lost the biggies at the end.  He may undoubtedly be getting more and better coverage, but I strongly suspect people have made up their minds about him -- for better or worse -- and will see the adoration for what it is.

    I expect a backlash, especially when he under-performs in the debates and people openly ask "is THIS the guy the Democrats think can run the Country?"

    The higher the pedestal, the more brutal the inevitable fall.

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    I think that the media... (5.00 / 5) (#17)
    by kredwyn on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:16:26 PM EST
    has overplayed its collective hand with regards to the "darling" thing and the surrounding narrative.

    I'm so suspicious of them (5.00 / 0) (#63)
    by Lahdee on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:43:14 PM EST
    Maybe it's my memory of past elections, but I cannot believe that this will continue. Why is it in their best corporate interests to see this man get's favorable press, or for that matter elected without bruises? Narrative of the historical nature of his campaign notwithstanding, I just can't see this continuing.

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    I'm skeptical of them (5.00 / 5) (#86)
    by standingup on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:59:32 PM EST
    because they gave us George W. Bush for eight years and everything that came with his lousy presidency.  If the press had been doing their jobs we may not have started a war in Iraq, had the disaster after Katrina, the mortgage crisis and a list too long for one comment.  

    Honestly, I beyond skeptical to the point of being angry and distrustful with the state of journalism in the U.S.  

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    I listened to pundits all night (5.00 / 11) (#18)
    by TimNCGuy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:16:30 PM EST
    last night explain WHY the media is giving Obama so much more coverage than McCain right now.  It came down to their theory that it is up to the candidates to make their candidacies interesting enough to cover.  David Gergen even claimed that the upcoming convention plans are a fine example.  McCain is going to accept his party's nomination "the old fashioned way".  you know, at the actual convention site.  Whereas Obama is going the "rock star" route with 75,000 adoring fans.

    What amazed me was that not one pundit ever even thought to say that the media has an obligation to the voters to report accurately, fairly and equally from both campaigns in order to give the voters the information they need.  Instead they were all going with the theory that it was up to the campaign's to help provide ratings for the media.

    Gergen LOVES Obama (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:17:29 PM EST
    I mean loves him.

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    Yes (5.00 / 10) (#59)
    by nell on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:39:30 PM EST
    When he was explaining away Obama's flip-flop on FISA right after it happened, he actually said that it was ludicrous for anyone to think that Obama wasn't serious about privacy rights because Obama has been fighting for privacy rights for the last 30 to 40 years. No, I am not kidding, I will look for the clip later, I am on my way out the door right now.

    Obama has been fighting for privacy rights since he was between the ages of 7 and 17...

    Talk about in the freakin' tank.


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    Heard Gergen say today (5.00 / 0) (#70)
    by zfran on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:51:29 PM EST
    that he favors a third party in this country, and he was agreeing with the conservative on with him. So, love may be a fleeting thing.

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    Until (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:08:57 PM EST
    last night when he started saying that he had become presumptious.

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    If he loves, loves Obama (5.00 / 0) (#187)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:22:15 PM EST
    he's been perfectly willing to criticize him strongly (as strongly as Gergen ever criticizes anybody, which is to say with a visible wince and a soft moan) pretty much all along.  I don't agree with a lot of what Gergen has to say, but he doesn't drink anybody's Kool-Aid.

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    exactly, see comment below. (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:18:47 PM EST
    it has become a joke.  I heard a republican saying its great that the media is getting this Obama mania stuff out of the way early.
    from his point of view he probably has a point.

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    AMEN!! (5.00 / 8) (#123)
    by BernieO on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:30:33 PM EST
    I don't care who the candidate is, I am fed up with the media picking who they think is the coolest, then shilling for them. It has nothing to do with competence. McCain's video is accurate.
    A lot of people do not realize how biased the media was against Gore and how much they favored Bush. I am convinced had they reported the truth about Bush and his record and not lied repeatedly about Gore Bush would never have won and we would not be in this mess.  
    I think it's time that we speak up when any candidate is treated this way even if it is one we do not support. The media needs to be pressured to give us accurate, substantive information, then let US decide. This is the foundation of a healthy democracy.

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    I caught a whole gaggle of them (5.00 / 7) (#160)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:57:01 PM EST
    while I was in the car on Sunday - had CNN on the XM radio and I think it was Howard Kurtz's show.  One after the other, they were defending their coverage by blaming the candidate or their campaign for not being worthy of coverage.  They defended the coverage of the Obama World Tour by saying this was something "new and exciting."  They spoke as if the coverage was not in their control.

    Ugh.

    Martha Raddatz was the only one who said that with the coverage comes a responsibility to ask the tough questions - that if all the networks were going after was the optics, they would be failing to do their job.

    Now, I see where Brokaw is giving Obama the entire hour of MTP on Sunday.  Obama was all over Nightline last night.  How many magazine covers has Obama had since the beginning of the year?

    I think Obama is running a real risk with this saturation coverage, mainly because even after all of it, I'm not sure people will know where he stands or what he believes any better than they did in February.  And what they may start thinking is what I have already heard from a few people: who the heck does he think he is?  

    And people remember that Bush was the last Media Darling who got shoved down our throats - that's turned out so well, hasn't it?

    I think the backlash is coming.  I think the saturation point is near, and a lot of people are just going to turn it off and hope never to have to see his face for a long, long time.


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    that's what I'm hearing (5.00 / 3) (#185)
    by ccpup on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:20:10 PM EST
    A lot of people I talk to want to know what he's actually DONE to deserve either this coverage or this opportunity to be the Nominee.

    I suspect there are many who are becoming more skeptical the more Obama is crowned as The One and shoved down our throats.  Eventually, people will tune him out because it'll be, like, enough already!

    And if they get tired of seeing his face now, what's to say they won't have great difficulty adjusting to the possibility of having to see it -- or hear his constant lecturing -- for the next four years?

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    Hats Off To You (5.00 / 0) (#161)
    by JimWash08 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:57:59 PM EST
    For having the stomach to watch Gergen and his fratboy pals gush over Obama.

    I've not watched CNN after 4PM for nearly 3 weeks -- and counting.

    I'm going to give myself treats after the first month, and every month thereafter.

    The big bash will hopefully be on Nov. 5 :)

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    well (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:17:00 PM EST
    the campaign is not over and I would bet that the questions are going to start getting more pointed for Obama.  
    if they dont you can neah neah but I am betting they do.  you can already see it happening.  they are going to be out to prove they are not in the tank for Obama after a few weeks of being a punchline for being in the tank for Obama.
    one other thing about that.  I would argue that there is a point of diminishing returns for cheer leading. it is such a joke at this point that voters are going to either start tuning them out altogether (probably not far to go there) or even worse start instantly thinking the opposite of any good thing they say about Obama.
    at least when McCain was the darling there was some limp attempt to not make it to obvious.  not any more.

    Sure sure (5.00 / 0) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:18:07 PM EST
    I was right and you were wrong.

    Nah nah nah nah nah!.

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    So far, BTD (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:33:27 PM EST
    so far.  There's still a few months to go.  Strikes me that the big difference here between media's love of Obama and their love of the Bush creature is they have no bad guy to contrast him to the way they did Kerry and Gore.  The pro-Bush bias came in the trashing of Gore and Kerry, and so wasn't that obvious to most folks.  Here it's fawning coverage of one guy and close to ignoring the other.  I think, could be wrong, that's much less effective and probably eventually counterproductive as far as voter attitudes go.

    We'll see.  Don't countyer chickens afore they're hatched.

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    seriously (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:20:25 PM EST
    dont you think the simple weight of the bias is going to start not being a good thing at some point.
    I mean it would be one thing if voters actually trusted the MSM.

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    I suspect so... (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by kredwyn on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:27:22 PM EST
    The "right" has a deep-seated mistrust of the so-called "liberal media." Anything that group likes, they'll question...

    Indeed, I've been hearing some stuff on the radio that makes me think there are many who're starting to coalesce around McCain from the earlier doubtful contingency.

    For me, the "love" thing coming from folks like Gergen and others in the media towards the darling sounds outright creepy.

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    It may backfire. (none / 0) (#29)
    by misspeach2008 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:22:50 PM EST
    The public believes that the MSM is pushing Obama at them. It might breed a little more skepticism.

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    It didn't hurt Bush (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Jim J on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:23:57 PM EST
    He profited by total MSM support for several years. It wasn't until Katrina that they "turned" on him, and even then only slightly.

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    It certainly can't be a bad thing (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Salo on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:07:35 PM EST
    for the object of adoration.

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    The rest of us... (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by Salo on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:07:59 PM EST
    ...well, we shall have to wait and see.

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    Yes, but all the while he (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:21:06 PM EST
    had the public convinced the media was against him. No one works the refs better than Republicans.

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    thats what I think (none / 0) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:25:35 PM EST
    the only people held in lower regard than politicians is the MSM.
    to take the reverse position, they tried almost universally for 8 years to make voters hate Bill Clinton and his numbers hardly dropped below 60%.


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    Uh no (none / 0) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:23:28 PM EST
    You know what's really smart about this? (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:21:55 PM EST
    The McCain people are sexualizing it. Honestly, there's nothing false about the video, it just is.

    I thought the video was pretty (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:25:04 PM EST
    well done.

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    It makes it look like (5.00 / 7) (#40)
    by misspeach2008 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:26:21 PM EST
    a teenage boy crush.  Did you notice that the gushing was coming from men?

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    Isn't that what the one guy said (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:30:00 PM EST
    not being able to stand up - like a 9th grade boy crush?

    Lots of men are like that. They love to cheerlead for each other. It's just usually not so open and on MSM, lol!~

    Parent

    OkK I'm late to the show here but I just wanted to (5.00 / 1) (#221)
    by Angel on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 05:00:52 PM EST
    know if they showed a clip of Chris "Tweety Bird" Matthews saying Obama gives him a shiver up his leg.  Did they?  Did they????? Please say yes!

    Parent
    Well, exactly (none / 0) (#42)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:28:06 PM EST
    It's not an accident that the McCain campaign is calling all of these men you know what.

    Parent
    That was Tucker Carlson's point (none / 0) (#127)
    by BernieO on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:32:36 PM EST
    He was not approving of the behavior. Unfortunately he has no problem if it is good for his candidate and he definitely has no problem trashing candidates he doesn't like and lying about them.

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    Nothing false? (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:44:17 PM EST
    Are you serious?

    It's a montage of clips taken from the media for the past 6 months without any sort of context.

    Wow, Steve Doocy thinks there is a liberal media bias. And so does Tucker Carlson!  My God!  Who's next?  Bill O'Reilly?  When will it end?

    Highly edited YouTube clips are hardly compelling to anyone other than the devout.

    Parent

    Obama is a media darling, just as presented (none / 0) (#152)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:50:14 PM EST
    And the video (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by rottenart on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:17:41 PM EST
    is the pot calling the kettle black.

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    OK (none / 0) (#206)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:36:49 PM EST
    I have no problem with media darling status.  

    Makes things easier.

    Parent

    That's essentially BTD's point. (none / 0) (#212)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:41:06 PM EST
    About freaking time (5.00 / 4) (#31)
    by Jim J on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:23:14 PM EST
    I'll take it. I'll take unbalanced coverage. More please.

    Let the other side be the whiners for a change. It's refreshing.

    this is the sad part for me (5.00 / 10) (#73)
    by TimNCGuy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:54:28 PM EST
    All these years when dems and libs complained  about the unfairness of the media against people like Gore or Kerry.  

    Now, just because it appears to be benefitting a dem, it's all OK.  Whatever, as long as it helps us win.  The end justifies the means.

    It's the same as the rationalizations for Obama's Flip/Flops by those who were supposed to care about issues.  It's now OK because it will help us win.

    It's sad to watch the ideals go under the bus too.

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    I really think it'll end in tears (5.00 / 4) (#92)
    by Salo on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:02:47 PM EST
    and blood.

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    Don't Tease Me (5.00 / 3) (#145)
    by JimWash08 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:46:52 PM EST
    I'm emotionally fragile and vulnerable :P

    ::prays::

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    The only thing I don't like about it...... (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:56:47 PM EST
    ...is that in the next election cycle when the Republicans pull out the old liberal media bias meme, it will have some legs. But I guess we cross that bridge when we get to it.

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    no you haven't, not by a long shot. (5.00 / 6) (#43)
    by cpinva on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:28:50 PM EST
    But still, I have been vindicated.

    the conventions haven't happened yet. the worms will turn when sen. obama is the actual (vs the presumptive) nominee. just as they did on both gore and kerry. although, they'd been bashing gore for a good year before he even ran.

    as well, the 527's haven't kicked in yet. once they do, the "obama love" will be nothing but a vaguely remembered thing of the past.

    I think BTD is correct. Media adulation (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:34:58 PM EST
    of Obama will continue throughout the GE.  The photos from the ME of Obama looking Presidential-in-the-extreme are the proof.

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    Not sure about that... (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by kredwyn on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:37:48 PM EST
    I suspect it'll turn just after the nominations.

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    Do you think there's a chance the media (none / 0) (#195)
    by prittfumes on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:30:58 PM EST
    will refuse to cooperate with the 527's?

    Parent
    Rasmussen: voters know (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Prabhata on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:34:03 PM EST
    Forty-nine percent (49%) of voters believe that most reporters are trying to help Obama win the election while only 14% believe reporters are trying to help McCain.

    Link Here (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by The Maven on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:47:28 PM EST
    Here's the story from yesterday that went along with the release of those poll results.

    Other tidbits from the poll:

    Just one voter in four (24%) believes that most reporters will try to offer unbiased coverage.
        --  --  --
    As for unaffiliated voters, 50% see a pro-Obama bias and 21% see unbiased coverage. Just 12% of those not affiliated with either major party believe the reporters are trying to help McCain.

    In a more general sense, 45% say that most reporters would hide information if it hurt the candidate they wanted to win. Just 30% disagree and 25% are not sure. Democrats are evenly divided as to whether a reporter would release such information while Republicans and unaffiliated voters have less confidence in the reporters.

    Take it all for whatever it's worth.

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    heres the thing (5.00 / 6) (#51)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:35:30 PM EST
    I dont think the press will change a single mind intentionally.  they may change some unintentionally by trying so hard to push Obama down our throats.
    two examples that are getting lots of attention:
    three anchors in Obamas court for his overseas visit and some of the outlets didnt even send reporters with McCain any of the times he went.
    the NYTimes refusing, with a totally lame excuse, to print McCains response to Obamas OpEd.
    now, we may all like that.  
    what I am saying is voters in general are going to start taking this badly.
    there is an existing meme out there for years about a liberal bias.  the republicans are going to use this.  count on it.
    I see whistling past the graveyard.  but thats just the optimist in me.

    Bingo (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:40:25 PM EST
    And I think the eventual media backlash will be severe. I disagree with BTD on that point.  I don't think this love will last - they will go home to daddy at some point.

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    Simple point: (5.00 / 8) (#56)
    by frankly0 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:38:48 PM EST
    Republicans have forever won elections by claiming media bias against them, and getting the public to believe it.

    The media's fawning over Obama, and the public's obvious agreement (shown by polls) that that bias exists, gives McCain what he may never otherwise have had: a convincing case that the media's against him.

    After all his favorable media coverage, Obama has only the most miniscule of leads against McCain.

    So I wonder how being a "media darling" is really going to help Obama in the long run -- most especially when the media finally is shamed once again into being critical of Obama (as they were after Hillary's "whining").

    How long do you think a 3-4% lead is going to last for Obama when the media attention is no longer positive?

    I certainly wouldn't conclude Obama is winning this game where it counts: in the hearts and minds of the public.

    don't forget (5.00 / 7) (#107)
    by ccpup on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:14:55 PM EST
    that when the Media finally did "turn on" Obama by asking him some tough questions during the first 15 minutes or so of the last debate, Obama stumbled badly and pulled out of the next scheduled debate (leaving the North Carolina Dem Party high and dry).

    Obama doesn't perform well when he's not in front of an adoring crowd or a gaggle of Yes Men.  Once he faces criticism or tough questions, he becomes defensive and doesn't quite know how to respond without sounding angry and condescending.

    McCain knows this and, with this move, is attempting to introduce THAT Obama to the American People.  Take some of the shine off this recent good press as well as beginning a narrative into the Debates that Barack doesn't do well under pressure so, therefore, voters cannot trust him to handle the Top Job.

    If voters recognize a pattern develop (of Barack not handling tough questions or criticism well), it plays into his inexperience and John McCain's (alleged) strength under pressure.

    And, at the end of the day, those who sign the on-air bobbleheads checks are, have been and always will be Republican, so any thoughts of this Obama Love Affair continuing are just Hope.

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    adoring press = teflon (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by kempis on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:39:20 PM EST
    Back in February, I said that Obama appeared to have a good thick coating of teflon, more than any politician I'd seen since Reagan. A (now former) friend who's an Obama fanboy took offense. I was surprised. My reasoning then (when I was still a Democrat) was that teflon is good and it's about time that a Democrat had some.

    My friend's reaction puzzled me. Then I realized that he was a True Believer. In his eyes, Obama didn't need teflon because he never did anything wrong. Scary.

    But yes, finally the Democrats have a candidate coated with teflon. He'll need it. But he definitely has it.

    So much attention is paid to Obama that one almost forgets that McCain is running. He's covered as though he already has loser-stench on him.
     

    They get offended because they (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:42:10 PM EST
    want to believe he can do it with no help from the media.  Well, good luck with that, but I take help whenever I can get it.

    Parent
    as though he already has loser-stench on him. (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:43:58 PM EST
    which makes my point.  they are tied.
    and he has teflon as long as the media provides it.

    Parent
    This is (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by frankly0 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:49:09 PM EST
    a Democratic cycle like no other in recent history.

    Obama is now once again in a long cycle of good, adoring press.

    Yet Obama has a lead of only 3-4%.

    Suffice it to say, teflon used to be made of sterner stuff.

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    Today's Rasmussen polls (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:22:34 PM EST
    are pretty scary, and I don't understand why they differ so much from other polls. The national daily tracking is within a point (tied with leaners included), and the Ohio poll shows McCain opening a six-point lead. How can this and the other polls show such a discrepancy I wonder.

    Parent
    Yeah (5.00 / 0) (#215)
    by Emma on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:42:18 PM EST
    Obama is now once again in a long cycle of good, adoring press.

    Yet Obama has a lead of only 3-4%.

    What is up with that?  Why are they so close?


    Parent

    The media are betting he'll win (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Salo on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:03:35 PM EST
    They made a bet that Bush would win both times.

    Parent
    Dude... (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by kredwyn on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:52:32 PM EST
    Not for nothing...but I'd hold off on the "neeener neeener neeener" thing for a while longer.

    It is quite funny (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by rottenart on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:56:15 PM EST
    to see the outrage over media bias coming from Mccain, whose media coverage never met a gaffe or flip-flop that wasn't a net positive for Mccain.

    Liberal Media... sheesh.

    Yes - he should be thankful (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:01:10 PM EST
    they are not spending this week talking about his comment about the Iraq-Pakistan border.

    Parent
    I remember that during the (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by zfran on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:56:26 PM EST
    primary, Mike Barnacle said that HRC couldn't be his vp pick because "that would make him seem so ordinary." I think this video is very good. Is it getting air time at all?

    This Media Darling Thing (5.00 / 0) (#77)
    by MrX on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:56:34 PM EST
    I hope this isn't trolling, whatever that is.

    I find this ad amusing, but not credible at all, and I'm surprised the bloggers here, or their commenters, would take it seriously.  As anyone who is familiar with this media coverage knows, 80% of this is opinion about media opinion from the right wing (and the Clinton campaign sucking up to the right wing -- e.g., McAuliffe).  There's Matthews, yes, but he's like that about everything.  He bashed Gore, then lavished praise on him;  praised Clinton, then trashed her.

    Well you kind of argued (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by waldenpond on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:37:06 PM EST
    your own point.  You state it's not credible, but then note how Matthews lavished praise on Gore and praised Clinton.  If the media had stages where they gushed over Gore and Clinton, why can't they have a stage where they are gushing over Obama?  Matthews and his cohorts are in the active gushing stage.  

    A critical look may come for Obama (.... BTD says it won't until after the election.) or MSNBC will continue to be to Obama what Fox is to Bush.  

    I have a hard time thinking of Rendell as sucking up to the right by laughing at the media coverage of Obama.

    Parent

    Sorry if I don't think (5.00 / 8) (#81)
    by sister of ye on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:56:49 PM EST
    it a good thing that the Dem who finally has teflon is one who is poised to sell out progressives and the American people on privacy rights, economic equality, reproductive rights, GLBT rights, universal health care and separation of church and state.

    Or perhaps that's exactly why he has the teflon coating.


    I think you got it (5.00 / 4) (#83)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:57:57 PM EST
    Anyone catch this on (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:57:27 PM EST
    Funny (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by tree on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:20:36 PM EST
    but my fav is the Onion piece:

    "Time' Publishes Definitive Obama Puff Piece

    Parent

    Well, the McCain video is subtle (none / 0) (#99)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:07:57 PM EST
    compared to that!  Funny.

    Yes, a few more of those and the backlash will kick in. Oh well, positive media for a Dem was nice while it lasted.

    Parent

    Men swoon, women scoff (5.00 / 6) (#89)
    by Prabhata on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:00:56 PM EST
    It's interesting how the manly swoon at the sight of Obama, while the a large number of women can't stand him. Most in my family laughed at his phony presidential seal and made fun of him.

    So thinking the video is clever (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:06:29 PM EST
    equals being a McCain shill?

    America once again... (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by citizen53 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:16:12 PM EST
    shows its foolishness.  We believe in our own immortality, that a quick fix miracle will solve all our problems and wipe the dirt away effortlessly.

    We are being set up for a fall.  Obama is the corporate candidate through and through.  And it shows in the coverage.

    This is the same press that helped 70% of the people believe that 9-11 was caused by Saddam.

    McCain has no chance.  But the expectations being put on Obama are so high that he will have no chance either to be successful.  To the wealthy and powerful, it will not matter.  They will always come out fine.

    Webb on Charlie Rose last night said it about right.  When they make all the money, it's hands off capitalism.  When they go into the tank, then the government should help them out.  They win either way, and if there are any crumbs, that is what we fight over.  This is the system that Obama and McCain represent.

    There will be many disappointed and bitter people who will again look at the press and wonder why we were tricked again when he fails to deliver on the illusion that has been created.

    I will vote for him, but with my eyes wide open.


    ok (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:25:25 PM EST
    i watched the video.  (busy) it was effective.
    expect lots more.
    sorry.  I do not see how this is good for Obama.


    TeeHee (5.00 / 5) (#120)
    by daring grace on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:26:18 PM EST
    via Politico:

    Jake Tapper on the ABC news blog on McCain's comments about MSM Obama-love.

    "This is like Britney Spears complaining that the hype around Miley Cyrus far exceeds her talent."

    Jake Tapper (5.00 / 3) (#216)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:46:48 PM EST
    wisecracking about the media being in the tank for Obama is like getting BBQing tips from the Branch Davidians.

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    Yes, Yes, and (none / 0) (#143)
    by rottenart on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:46:06 PM EST
    Yes.

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    Standing up for a principle (5.00 / 3) (#126)
    by tree on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:32:19 PM EST
    of unbiased coverage equals "shilling for MCain" now? Principles are just another speed bump on the way to victory, eh?

    Love it. Awesome video. (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by LatinoVoter on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:41:18 PM EST


    Love the song. (5.00 / 3) (#140)
    by pie on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:43:35 PM EST

    You're just too good to be true
    Can't take my eyes off of youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

    Hee hee.

    As someone who used to work in MSM (5.00 / 3) (#153)
    by kmblue on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:50:16 PM EST
    I'm continually astonished by their self-inflicted embarrassment.

    I watched the video and cringed, for Matthews and for the guy who said something like "you just don't get it unless you've seen Obama live!"

    Irony may not be dead, but self-awareness in teh Media certainly is.

    Very clever ad by McCain.


    Ah, the irony! CNN just played this video (5.00 / 8) (#154)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:53:36 PM EST
    and Wolfie managed to allow maybe half a minute for discussion . . . but then came the booming background music, the "Breaking News" slide -- and Wolfie had to announce that Obama landed, Obama landed!

    So the panel switched to discussing that Obama landed!  And apparently without wings of his own!

    I swear, these people must have funhouses mirrors in their dressing rooms.  They cannot see themselves.

    Of course, it could be that the basic problem is that media ought not have dressing rooms. . ..

    Ya see Cream (5.00 / 3) (#158)
    by kmblue on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:56:01 PM EST
    Irony is definitely not dead!   ;)

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    McCain succeeded (5.00 / 3) (#159)
    by waldenpond on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:56:03 PM EST
    He's getting some media coverage with this.  Of course it's on Fox... but here it is on CNN.  They are debating it (never mind... they had to cut to Obama)  OK,..... lovefest, media refuse to ask tough questions, media judgment.

    MSNBC is showing differing humorous videos.... this, Stewart mocking McCain and Redstate mocking Obama's trip overseas.

    So with polls out about media bias and this video getting McCain some attention.... a challenge with the focus on Obama, but he got something out of it.

    One of many selling points (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by CST on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:13:39 PM EST
    I am sure everyone had their own reason's for voting for him.  I am not saying his "rock star quality" is the reason he won.  Just that he had it, and it didn't automatically make him a bad president.  And it probably helped him a bit with the youth vote.

    Also, big difference (tree, not kmblue) between "rock star quality" and actually being a rock star.

    The quote I responded to said this: (5.00 / 4) (#194)
    by tree on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:30:21 PM EST
    I've never understood why people look at the rock star quality as a negative.  It's his strongest asset.

    Do you really want to be defending that statement?

    I don't think that "rock star quality" equals charisma. Clinton had charisma, as did Kennedy, but it wasn't the over the top mindless adulation that equals "rock star quality" in my perception of things. And in no way was charisma the "strongest asset" of either one of them.

     I'm not bashing Obama here so you don't have to knee-jerk or bend over backwards defending VE's statement. I'm reacting to the thought that we should or do vote for someone who has "rock star quality" as his strongest asset. I'm sure Obama has charisma for some, even though I don't personally see it, but I find it strange that you find it more important to "defend" Obama's status that to defend his assets. As much as I will not vote for Obama, I'm sure that he has other stronger assets besides his curb appeal, however grandiose that might be.

    Parent

    OK, maybe "strongest" is a bit much (2.00 / 0) (#210)
    by VelvetElvis on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:40:06 PM EST
    I'll stick by the greater point though. The ability to make Chris Matthews purr like a kitten is a huge political asset.

    He's the first presidential candidate I can think of who figured out how to work with the media to keep them from working against him.  Hillary was assigned to play the archetypal villain to further the narrative. They didn't have to assign Obama a role because he came with one pre-established.  It's pretty clear now that that was the point of his speech at the 2004 convention.  He was saying "Hi media, I'm Barack and I've got a story for you."

    Parent

    Ok... (none / 0) (#213)
    by CST on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:42:01 PM EST
    I was just responding to the comment you had made, it wasn't an endorsement of the previous post.  And I certainly don't think that "quality" is Obama's strongest asset.

    I don't think you are bashing Obama, I do think you are overlooking how this may work to his advantage.  I also DO think Clinton had more than just charisma, if you want to differentiate between that and a "rock-star quality".

    Finally, not all of my posts are designed to defend Obama or what people say about Obama.  I don't think I mentioned his name once in that post.

    Parent

    BTD (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:14:39 PM EST
    this is an effective video. It's a shout out to Hillary supporters. It's a "McCain feels our pain" kind of statement.

    The media largely has gone from being "in love" with Obama to being down right apologists for him. They continually blame someone else for his own fallacies. It's one of the reasons I believe that McCain is holding his own in the polls against Obama. Obama is creating massive resentment against himself with this and his attitude of entitlement.

    Um, (5.00 / 2) (#214)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:42:12 PM EST
    you don't seem to understand. When the media continues to be Obama apologists it continually reminds everyone of what they did in the primary. I told everyone months ago that McCain was going to remind everyone of Obama's behavior and try to use it to his advantage.

    From today's NYT, article by (5.00 / 2) (#218)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:49:00 PM EST
    Michael Falcone, headline:  Conservative group Takes On Obama in Ad and Film.  Article's lede:

    An independent conservative group went on the air with a new advertisement on Monday to be followed by a full-length documentary film that tries to portray Senator Barack Obama, the presumptive democratic presidential nominee, as an overhyped media darling.
     [Italics added.]

    I would have expected NYT to put media darling in quotes.  But, no.  


    He's the first candidate to really get the media (3.50 / 2) (#135)
    by VelvetElvis on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:38:32 PM EST
    OK, Had to register to comment here.

    I love the way Obama plays the media. He plays it like Hendrix played guitar.  It's brilliant.

    The MSM fawns over Obama not because of bias but because he's good television. They are more concerned with spinning a convincing narrative than they are with the truth.  They want people to tune in tomorrow for the next exciting episode of the Obama and McCain show.  The genius of the Obama campaign has been to provide a prefab narrative so the media didn't have to come up with one on their own.  He's spun his life story to sound like he's something out of an ABC after-school special.

    This is why Obama initially struck me as the strongest candidate.  He's good television.  I've never understood why people look at the rock star quality as a negative.  It's his strongest asset.


    Rock stars don't make good Presidents. (5.00 / 4) (#136)
    by tree on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:41:04 PM EST
    Welcome to political American Idol. Heaven help us.

    Parent
    It's where we've been for a while (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by VelvetElvis on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:09:19 PM EST
    In the past democrats have nominated eggheaded policy wonks while republicans nominated the guy who looks best on TV.  Swing voters in the middle don't care about policy.  They vote on the basis of personality and go with the guy who looks best on TV.

    This is my observation based on canvasing and not anything empirical, but it seems that swing voters are often apolitical.  They vote for the guy who has the best song and wears a flag pin.

    Parent

    Holy crap. (5.00 / 2) (#142)
    by pie on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:45:24 PM EST
    I've never understood why people look at the rock star quality as a negative.  It's his strongest asset.

    Hard to know what to say to that.

    Well, that's not quite true.

    We're dooooooooooomed.

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    So it's a bad thing (none / 0) (#155)
    by rottenart on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:54:01 PM EST
    to have mass appeal that is akin to a rock star? What would your preferred alternative be? The Nixonian appeal?

    Parent
    If having rock star appeal (5.00 / 5) (#168)
    by tree on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:08:45 PM EST
    is someone's STRONGEST ASSET, then they are unfit to be President. Having rock star appeal is very superficial. It shouldn't even qualify as a rock star's strongest asset, though for some of the really untalented ones  it sadly does.

    Parent
    Alright (5.00 / 0) (#175)
    by rottenart on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:13:10 PM EST
    perhaps strongest is the deal breaker in the sentence. But I really don't understand the disgust some have for his broad appeal among the young and hip.

    For some it truly seems like disgust. I think it's great, personally.

    Parent

    McGovern (5.00 / 2) (#179)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:16:56 PM EST
    appealed to the "young and hip". Nothing wrong with it. It's just a sure fire route to losing an election.

    Parent
    Well, I guess. (none / 0) (#196)
    by rottenart on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:32:20 PM EST
    we'll see, won't we? Words like "sure fire" tend to put me off because NOTHING ever is.

    Parent
    Certainly (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:34:12 PM EST
    nothing is certain, however having limited appeal leads to losing elections. There's a lot of voters over the age of 30 out there.

    Parent
    Mass appeal? (5.00 / 5) (#176)
    by pie on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:13:18 PM EST
    I don't think so.

    And yes, you're darn right I think it's wrong when the guy couldn't win me over on the merits during the primary.  I'm concerned about his qualifcations to lead us out of the Bush wilderness, and you're so starry-eyed that doesn't seem to be important.

    Rock star.  Pffffft.

    I want substance over style.

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    We'll get chance (2.00 / 1) (#211)
    by rottenart on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:40:54 PM EST
    to see just what the substance is when the debates come around, won't we? I think if you don't already believe Obama wins on merit, then you likely never will.

    Mccain is dangerous precisely BECAUSE of his merits. I'm willing to take a chance on a moderate unknown simply to defeat the odious known. And it doesn't hurt that Obama is like a Rock Star and Mccain is like Mr. Magoo.

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    fair enough (5.00 / 4) (#191)
    by ccpup on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:27:38 PM EST
    but what happens to the Obama Is King narrative when the public starts tuning out?  As exciting as this storyline is to see, it's difficult to sustain all the way to November.  Or even September.  The public is already starting to show signs of Obama Fatigue, so, in order to get the viewers back, the Media will have to eventually push him -- hard -- off the pedestal they've placed him on.

    Happens all the time.  McCain is just trying to give the first shove, although I don't believe the actual fall will happen until after the Convention.  The media will never be for the Dems.  Obama had the good luck of not being Hillary, so he's currently covered in something akin to teflon.  But he's beginning to buy his own press, so the media is sure to splash him with the ice cold water of morning after reality soon enough.

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    McCain has reason to worry. (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:14:53 PM EST
    He is getting a third of the media coverage Obama is.

    AP

    told you? (none / 0) (#65)
    by thentro on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:45:46 PM EST
    "Told you he is the Media Darling."

    Because of a McCain advertisement?

    And whining (none / 0) (#75)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:56:21 PM EST
    about it creepily will get them back on his side, now won't it. Heh, what a loser.

    I don't think he's "whining" (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by zfran on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:58:49 PM EST
    at all. I think he's being clever and using modern technology to counterpunch. I'm no shill for McCain, but I think that running for president, especially coming back the way he did in the primary, makes him a winner, not a loser. It takes a lot of moxey to be where he is today.

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    true (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:12:30 PM EST
    although we will both be called shills for saying it.
    how many times was he counted out in the primary?
    more times than Hillary if memory serves.

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    Ha. McCain is not the creepy one (5.00 / 0) (#124)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:31:06 PM EST
    in this video.  Have you even looked at it?

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    Who is moderating this thread? (none / 0) (#138)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:41:40 PM EST
    Can you please speak up and tell us what your criteria are here for deletions? Your selections seem to be, uh, capricious to say the least.

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    My guess would be deletions for (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by tree on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:46:57 PM EST
    making personal attacks and name calling. There's been a lot of that here.

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    Y'know (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:11:58 PM EST
    the fact that you can't defend your rationale here speaks volumes - don't think it doesn't. If you really were just deleting personal attacks it would be one thing. But it's mostly just when those attacks go one way, and pretty hit and miss when they go the other way. We're all human, we all have our different perspectives, but we should recognize that biases are present and build in mechanisms to work around them. If indeed you want to work around them. If you want a board that encourages Republican talking points and trollish downratings of progressive posters you should just say so. If you want something better you should make sure your moderation is more balanced, perhaps by having moderators of different biases to counteract each other. As it is, your moderation here sucks.

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    Waldenpond? (2.00 / 0) (#148)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:48:40 PM EST
    Is the site moderator. Or Jeralyn or BTD.

    I have found waldenpond criteria arbitrary at best, seems to be according to his or her own personal bias.

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    Hello? Moderator? (none / 0) (#151)
    by Alien Abductee on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:49:56 PM EST
    Don't be shy. Please speak up for yourself on your rationale.

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    oh, and lets not forget (none / 0) (#90)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:00:58 PM EST
    this
    it will be interesting to see how the media deals with it.

    "His hope bong, Larry!" (none / 0) (#134)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:38:29 PM EST
    Great clip for that alone.  Thanks.

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    Well (none / 0) (#108)
    by Steve M on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:15:38 PM EST
    I don't know if you really get to say you told me so.  I think McCain is having it both ways, frankly.

    McCain is still getting plenty of fluffing from the media.  The thing is, McCain needs fluffing much more than Obama, since his campaign is almost entirely based upon a brand.  Unlike McCain, Obama is running a reasonably credible campaign of his own that will do just fine as long as the media doesn't become actively hostile.

    Wha? I have never seen a campaign amount to so (5.00 / 6) (#114)
    by masslib on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:20:50 PM EST
    little as mere brand packaging as Obama's.

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    thank you (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:26:00 PM EST
    Are you serious? (none / 0) (#132)
    by rottenart on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:37:37 PM EST
    Is the Maverick, POW, Straight-Talk Express Brand not obvious enough for you?

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    Hm (5.00 / 0) (#207)
    by Steve M on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:36:56 PM EST
    I think I didn't express my point well.  McCain is barely running a campaign, to be honest.  The entirety of what he's got going for him is his pre-existing brand, which of course is pretty powerful stuff.  Unlike Obama, who has been generating excitement and getting his name out there in this campaign, McCain is coasting solely on his reputation.

    Whether you think Obama is running a substantive campaign or a fluff campaign probably depends on your opinion of him, but at least he's running a campaign.  It's not like politics is supposed to be free of branding and visceral impressions, after all.

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    McCain complaining about the media... (none / 0) (#130)
    by Katherine Graham Cracker on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:35:17 PM EST
    Sitting Shiva
    Irony is dead!

    Excuse me? (none / 0) (#232)
    by pie on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 07:19:53 PM EST
    such as pie's comment

    Why should my comment have been deleted?!

    As a Democrat it would be wonderful to see (none / 0) (#233)
    by esmense on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 09:59:18 AM EST
    a Democrat getting this kind of attention from the media except that THIS Democrat has won the media's allegiance by conforming to every conventional wisdom position (such as FISA) OF the corporate media -- positions that don't serve Democratic constituencies well in the short or long run.

    I know that Big Tent Democrat has always supported Obama because of his media support. But has he ever stopped to think about what that support means? how it must be earned? how quickly it will turn over matters of real governance (unless Obama consistently chooses the corporate media's best interest over the best interest of the rest of us)?