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Posted on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:33:22 AM EST
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I was watching Terry McAuliffe on Morning Joe and he was damn funny. Anyway, he acknowledged Obama is the nominee and said last night was a night for Hillary to celebrate her campaign with her supporters and that what is is. He expected Hillary and Barack to meet very soon and all will be love and kisses.

We'll see. I am just telling you what McAuliffe said.

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    Terry M (5.00 / 8) (#2)
    by bobbski on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:40:33 AM EST
    "He expected Hillary and Barack to meet very soon and all will be love and kisses."

    Right.  Sure.  After slamming Clinton unceasingly, all will be love and kisses.  Good luck with that.

    As for her supporters, as I have said all along, it will be difficult to gain the support of those whom you have called six kinds of SOB and racists throughout the campaign.  Good luck with that as well.

    Will Hillary get the kisses before or after he (5.00 / 4) (#36)
    by Angel on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:01:36 AM EST
    brushes his shoulder and wipes his shoe?  Just wonderin'.

    [ Parent ]
    Actually I think this was a brilliant comment... (none / 0) (#132)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:18:41 AM EST
    ...from Terry. Having read BTD's latest post before this one, it seems that Clinton is certainly running a better post nomination campaign than Obama. Clinton expects harmony and unity. If it doesn't come, the blame can no longer be put on her. Not that I'm expecting that it will stop certain people from doing so, but still.

    [ Parent ]
    She Lives (5.00 / 6) (#9)
    by Athena on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:49:03 AM EST
    All the rage this morning:  Hillary's still here!

    She stole his thunder?

    He stole her delegates.

    I guess you missed the whole (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by lilburro on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:59:43 AM EST
    Michigan, "here, have 4 of Hillary's delegates" thing last weekend?

    [ Parent ]
    are you living (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by lilburro on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:07:48 AM EST
    in a pre-rules committee meeting universe?  tell me how many delegates did Obama obtain last night, and what was the magic number?  Michigan counts.  It was included in the total.  And Hillary won it BTW.  A win is a win is a win.  If the concept of delegates has any set value or relation to the popular vote, they should have been hers.

    [ Parent ]
    if you actually cared about the rules (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by lilburro on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:27:54 AM EST
    you would know that the Michigan results as accepted by the RBC were exceptionally strange and basically arbitrary.  There are many posts here about the "roolz."  I suggest you do more research.  This statement:  "in the Democratic nomination process the rules say that only the delegates count" is not true.  The nomination process is more complicated than that.


    [ Parent ]
    Even the Republicans (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by befuddled on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:17:26 AM EST
    have been impressed with the rules and the RBC. Sad day for the Dems when Arlen Specter is the one to be looking into that. The 527s about the illegitimate candidate just write themselves. Look back through the threads here about the rules and consider how it will look in the future.

    [ Parent ]
    What rule? (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by waldenpond on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:33:33 AM EST
    The rules have been discussed numerous times on this site.  Use the search tool.  

    The rules head for a 50% strip.  Brazile pushed for 100.  The rules allowed a re-vote.  Obama blocked those.  

    As for quoting 'the roolz, the roolz'...you better tell Dean.  He went on the morning shows and blatantly admitted they had NO rule that allowed them to shift delegates from one candidate to another.  They wanted to shut it down for ha! get this... 'party unity'.... if they had no rule that allowed them to do this, they broke their own rules.  

    In other words, they stole votes/delegates from Clinton to give to Obama because he was short 8 SDs and would not have been able to declare himself the putative nom without them last night.

    [ Parent ]

    Then why steal them (none / 0) (#111)
    by DaveOinSF on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:42:15 AM EST
    in the first place?

    [ Parent ]
    that is why you will fail (5.00 / 4) (#46)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:05:22 AM EST
    If you have your head in the sand and don't understand what happened, and what is happening now, your candidate has no chance. It's one thing to spin and to spew propaganda, that's cool, but it's another thing to live in denial. The delegate stealing is a big issues with many democrats and will not look good when made a campaign issue. We who know this don't need your candidate, it's your candidate that needs us.

    Here's some free advice to your candidate. To heal the wounds, these issues need to be dealt with. Now. The MI vote (referred here) and FL must be dealt with to help that healing process. Of course it's only symbolic, but it still must be done. To deny this reality is to face defeat in November. End of free advice.

    Onward to 2012.

    [ Parent ]

    Officially, Obama has somewhere (5.00 / 3) (#90)
    by ding7777 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:33:56 AM EST
    around 1760 pledged delegates... the rest are just promises from the SuperDs.

    So according to the DNC "rules" Obama is not and will not be the candidate until the actual voting takes places in August or until Hillary drops out.

    [ Parent ]

    Learn to preview before posting. This doesn't (none / 0) (#65)
    by Angel on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:14:00 AM EST
    make any sense.

    [ Parent ]
    Then please leave our "politic" (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:57:58 AM EST
    to us, the voters.  Or, just please leave.

    [ Parent ]
    That's not so nice. (none / 0) (#158)
    by Sara F on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:00:33 AM EST
    Berating a foreigner because their English is not so good.  How's your Italian?

    Is there a grammar test for posters here?

    Is this considered good foreign relations?

    Next time, perhaps you could just ignore a poorly worded post, especially after the writer explains that English is not his/her first language.

    [ Parent ]

    This is a U.S. election (none / 0) (#181)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:47:55 AM EST
    and although I enjoy commentary from non-U.S. citizens who will not be voting, I do not welcome their criticism of how we do vote.

    I would not dream of telling an Italian how to vote in their elections.  Nor would I dream of telling you how much you need to mind your manners, too.


    [ Parent ]

    But, You just told me (none / 0) (#185)
    by Sara F on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:06:48 PM EST
    to mind my own business, didn't you?  Does this mean I shouldn't make critical comments but it's OK for you to?

    Seriously, I'm asking.

    [ Parent ]

    la stampa americana e italiana (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by Nessuno on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:58:51 AM EST
    I am in the states but see Italian Tv and read the Italian press on the internet.  So far for the most part, they have taken their news from the biased American media says.  I do not think you are seeing over there the truth about Obama yet.

    The process was not legitimate and fair.  That is why so many have a problem.  Obama has a history of using dirty politics.  He is not the saint the press make him out to be.  When the process is not fair it is very difficult for people to unite.

    This article from "il foglio" has a profile of David Axelrod, Obama's campaign advisor, which is very revealing and shows something about who Axelrod and Obama really are.

    Axelrod

    [ Parent ]

    How funny was he with (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:51:16 AM EST
    the rum?  OMG, I love that guy.  You can't not be happy when you hear him speak.  

    Mugged, thugged and not one bit hugged (5.00 / 6) (#20)
    by Ellie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:53:17 AM EST
    Notes from the morning wheeze fest:

    Your morning mug(ging) at CNN
    Part 1
    Part 2
    Blinkered against historical milestones for females

    CNN asked black Obama supporters (pedestrians and studio shills) to discuss his historical moment of "clinching" this, in terms of history and personal impact. Though SenC's accomplishments were considerable as well, the same didn't occur among women (pedestrians, who are confined to whether they'll vote for Obama) or studio shills for SenHRC on historicity or personal impact therein.

    The WWTSBQ humm was in the air.

    Now the ethics guy from Business Week is on to lecture to give "an important lesson we can all take away from losing." We mustn't be angry! That's the thing, look at how angry Gore and Dean were! Stay angry but not for too long!

    Roberts thought HRC was ungracious! Bruce Weinstein vulcan mind melded that the various loser emotions she must be going through with "personal failure" and urged her to move on.

    Oh my! I'm glad my first double-shot latte was gone or both my computer monitor and TV would have their wipers going from my spit takes.

    Concern Troll prophylactic: No, I'm not angry. I used to be disgusted, now I'm just amused. (If I were, my brain would still work and my vote would be where I left it to be pulled down in Nov.)

    I'm Indy. I'm peaceful. I'm out.

    that attitude absolutely MYSTIFIES me (5.00 / 4) (#81)
    by blcc on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:26:01 AM EST
    Nobody told Romney he needed to hurry up and get over it and move on.

    The rank misogyny in insisting that it's time for HRC to be a good girl and make nice just frosts me.

    [ Parent ]

    It's called manners - (2.33 / 3) (#167)
    by Sara F on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:14:29 AM EST
    irrespective of gender - for the losing candidate to congratulate the winner and concede an election when it's over.  

    If a guy had acted as Hillary has, I think he'd be called stubborn and unrealistic and his detractors would would not be considered sexist.

    I suggest you read Hilary Rosen's post over at Huffpo.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hilary-rosen/i-am-not-a-bargaining-chi_b_105133.html

    Rosen is a strong Hillary supporter who was vastly disappointed with Hillary's non-concession speech last night.

    [ Parent ]

    Manners? (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by squeaky on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:38:37 AM EST
    This is not about bad manners, that is utter BS. This is about politics. Bringing around over 18 million supporters who voted for her is not something done in a rush.  Hillary is doing exactly the right thing for the party and the record number of americans who voted for her.

    What are you losing, or anyone for that matter, by giving Hillary and her camp some time?

    [ Parent ]

    I'm not losing anything. (3.00 / 2) (#186)
    by Sara F on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:11:54 PM EST
    But, really, Hillary's camp is not 18 million voters.  Hillary's camp is more like the people who contributed and volunteered to her campaign or the people who post here.  

    She can have all the time she wants to deal with her camp - that's unrelated to conceding a race that you've lost.

    [ Parent ]

    It's called winning the nomination (4.33 / 3) (#180)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:44:22 AM EST
    first.  He hasn't done so, no matter that he coronated himself, and the court jesters in the media played along.

    When he gets the needed number of pledged delegates, you come on back and tell us.  That may be in late August.  Or not.  We'll see.

    [ Parent ]

    She's also a corporate shill (none / 0) (#189)
    by Eleanor A on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:31:33 PM EST
    who was the head of the Recording Industry Assoc. of America for many years, and advocated suing music fans for downloading music on various shaky legal grounds.  She's hardly someone I'd look to as some kind of ethical beacon.

    [ Parent ]
    Was McAuliffe Drinking? (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Pol C on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:57:05 AM EST
    My girlfriend came into my office and told me McAuliffe was doing rum shots on Morning Joe. Is that true?
    Yep (none / 0) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:57:27 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    MJoe (none / 0) (#37)
    by Athena on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:02:22 AM EST
    It looked like a crew closing the bar at the end of the show.  Mika was surrounded by the usuals and asked: "How many white men does it take to run Morning Joe?"

    [ Parent ]
    BTD (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:02:41 AM EST
    what do you think of the Obama campaign going public with the fact that it will not try to get Hillary's supporters on board?

    I've got it (5.00 / 8) (#60)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:11:21 AM EST
    I think there are always immediate feelings of disappointment and anger," Anita Dunn said. "But in the months ahead, he must appeal not just to the constituency groups who favored her in the primaries, but those he wants in the general election, and that includes independents and Republicans."

    Another Obama adviser, who asked not to be identified, said that he was not worried that Clinton supporters would stay angry.

    "Look at how many switched today to Obama," he said. "Look at the Clinton supporters, look at Maxine Waters [the congresswoman from California who endorsed Hillary Clinton in late January but switched to Obama on Tuesday], who were passionate advocates for Hillary, but who switched to Obama."

    "At the end of the day," he went on, "Hillary supporters will look at John McCain and decide they are not going to vote for a man who will put judges on the Supreme Court who would overturn Roe v. Wade."

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/10827.html

    So Maxine Waters was proof that the Clinton supporters would come around?  I wish him and all of his supporters very much luck with that.

    [ Parent ]

    Turning abortion rights into (5.00 / 7) (#76)
    by lilburro on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:20:30 AM EST
    a bargaining chip is just freaking tacky.  Are they asking for backlash?  

    I've not been impressed with Anita Nunn.  I believe she is also the source of the "Barack won't sit by the phone like a high school girl" quote.  Whatever.

    [ Parent ]

    Wouldn't it be nice to hear, just once (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:48:01 AM EST
    that Roe v. Wade matters to Obama supporters?

    What I keep hearing between the lines like this from fools like Anita Nunn is that Roe v. Wade matters only to Clinton supporters.  So that means it doesn't matter to Obama supporters -- which makes sense, since so many of them are only Dems for a day.  And that day was so, y'know, months ago.

    [ Parent ]

    Unity (4.75 / 8) (#109)
    by BDB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:27:07 AM EST
    through putting a gun to women's heads.  Because Roe v. Wade is all about restricting women's choices.

    Of course, Senate Democrats could stop any McCain nominee.  But, you know, they're weak.  So now I have to vote for Obama to protect me from Senators like Obama.  You know, the ones who tell pro-choicers that the forced birth zealots are the ones who consider the moral implications of abortion, have to be told they should oppose an anti-choice Supreme Court nominee, like John Roberts because they aspire to higher office and even then lecture liberals on why they should not be angry at Democrats who voted to confirm Roberts, and then in the next go round choose in a display of democratic tactical brilliance to criticize a Democratic-led filibuster* of Alito the weekend before it's scheduled to take place (which kind of makes this rumor sound true).*  

    There may be reasons for voting for Obama, but Roe v. Wade isn't it.  Besides which, the swing vote was O'Connor and she was replaced by Alito.  They already have the five votes to overturn Roe if that's what they want to do.  I would almost welcome it at this point because what we've been getting is a continued weakening of it while Democrats use it to take women voters for granted and as cover for going all squishy on the issue to suck up to the religious right, ala Obama's comments about how those are the folks who see the moral issues regarding abortion, not pro-choicers.

    * "Playing chicken with the troops" anyone?  Because only the very bestest negotiators give away the store before the other side even has a chance to refuse their offer.  Just as only the smartest politicians go on record claiming that their party is engaging in stall tactics to thwart the president.  Smart. Very smart.

    * Of course, if you're going to make the Roe argument it helps if the candidate on whose behalf your making it has a history of fighting for reproductive rights.

    [ Parent ]

    Maxine Waters must need Obama (5.00 / 3) (#150)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:44:02 AM EST
    but I don't.  

    When the Obama campaign gets that, they may make progress.  But they just don't get it or us.

    [ Parent ]

    Without Hillary, it doesn't matter (5.00 / 0) (#160)
    by zfran on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:05:38 AM EST
    what Obama does or doesn't do. Nothing will be enough. If the msm calls me a "racist" for not supporting Obama, what redeeming piece of nothing could he offer me. This is so really like the "pods" taking over.....keep staying awake Hillary supporters!!!! I am appalled, insulted and he deserves whatever punishment Hillary deems appropriate.

    [ Parent ]
    Thankfully (none / 0) (#195)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 03:44:23 PM EST
    the little levers inside the voting booth won't call you names.

    (does anyone use the levers anymore?)

    [ Parent ]

    Maxine Waters was on the stage (none / 0) (#127)
    by zfran on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:09:19 AM EST
    with Hillary last night (I thought she was anyway) anyway, elected officials are trying to bring the party "together" to show harmony. How many of the l8M voters who voted for Hillary will come "home." I may consider it if she's on the ticket, no way w/o her!!!! After the convention, I'll change my affiliation. But I'm just one voter (who he doesn't want, by the way)

    [ Parent ]
    Mr. In visible, me (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by gandy007 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:51:01 AM EST
    This is what I posted at Politico.

    "...but Obama is not, one of his senior advisers assured me Tuesday night, going to spend a lot of time in the next few months wooing Clinton supporters whose feelings may be hurting."

    Gee, I always suspected that Obama was a smart politician.  Now I know he is.

    Why make much of an effort to assuage the hurt feeling of 18 million or so, mostly Democrats, that with a little sincere effort might be persuaded to vote for you, or at least not vote for McCain, but vote mostly Democratic down ballot.  People like me for example.

    Of course not, better to try to woo Independents or Republicans. Now there's a brilliant strategy, screw us!  

    [ Parent ]

    Huh? (none / 0) (#44)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:04:42 AM EST
    Cite?

    [ Parent ]
    Here: (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:10:07 AM EST
    http://tinyurl.com/3k8wne

    It's a link from a previous thread.

    [ Parent ]

    Political Article Cites Obama Advisors (none / 0) (#58)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:10:19 AM EST
    saying that Clinton supporters will fail in line and Obama won't spend much time courting them.  Politico

    It has been a hard-fought and sometimes bitter campaign, but Obama is not, one of his senior advisers assured me Tuesday night, going to spend a lot of time in the next few months wooing Clinton supporters whose feelings may be hurting
    .

    [ Parent ]
    Just posted on it (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:19:22 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I read something similar but can't remember (none / 0) (#59)
    by Angel on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:11:17 AM EST
    where.  I thought it was a strange comment when I read it.  Said something like they would go after "other constituences" as if there are any others.  

    [ Parent ]
    Three hours after Maypole Dancing around The One (5.00 / 7) (#50)
    by Ellie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:07:51 AM EST
    And safely after the 9:00am cutoff when the suits are usually gone*, CNN finally dials back the Historical Clinch victory brekk and informs the viewer that Obama's merely the PRESUMPTIVE nominee.

    Ohhhhhhhhhh. [/Emily Litella]

    Never mind. (none / 0) (#133)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:19:31 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I'm still thinking of David Axelrod's slip of the (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by carmel on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:08:54 AM EST
    tongue calling Obama the "punitive nominee" instead of "presumptive nominee". It must be all those people thrown under the bus during this primary that caused the slip. All Hillary asked for last night was a little R E S P E C T - does she get it? NO!

    Carmel - the word Axelrod used was (5.00 / 5) (#89)
    by Anne on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:31:33 AM EST
    "putative," not "punitive."

    It's a term one sees a lot in legal settings - "putative father," "putative Will."  

    Where Axelrod may have outsmarted himself is that "putative" tends to be applied to something that may not be what it is reputed to be:

    putative adj. commonly believed, supposed or claimed. Thus a putative father is one believed to be the father unless proved otherwise, a putative marriage is one that is accepted as legal when in reality it was not lawful (e.g. due to failure to complete a prior divorce). A putative will is one that appears to be the final will but a later will is found that revokes it and shows that the putative will was not the last will of the deceased.

    Which is kind of funny, really.


    [ Parent ]

    3 odd results of the primary season--- (5.00 / 9) (#74)
    by wurman on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:19:45 AM EST
    1. Kennedy, Kerry, Dean & the lame stream media failed to purge the Bubba bunch from the party.

    2. Sen. Obama will bring the Chicago & Illinois "Combine" into Democratic Party power roles & the corruption will astonish everyone.

    3. Sen. Clinton has "found" a power base that she can develop into a new core for the Democratic Party--women will now define themselves as a bloc & reach across the entire political spectrum.  Misogyny has to have consequences & when cloth coat GOoPer women see that they have more in common with "librul" women then the structure will change because they are all together, in fact, the majority.


    #2 is scares me the most (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by ineedalife on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:35:09 AM EST
    I can see HUD turned into Rezko-on-steroids. The FDA turned into a kickback-palooza fro Big Pharma. Will the Illinois boys treat the federal pension system as their private piggy bank like they do the Illinois teacher and hospital funds?

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, #2 is why I get nightmares (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:50:44 AM EST
    of impeachment of a Dem president again.  Seriously.

    [ Parent ]
    nicely said (n/t) (none / 0) (#117)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:55:38 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Hugs & Kisses (5.00 / 6) (#82)
    by BDB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:26:34 AM EST
    You mean like the Obamabots who tried to hijack Hillary's rally last night?  Yeah, I'm sure all those Democrats in that room who are Hillary supporters just looove Obama and can't wait to kiss and make up so they can be under this mob's thumb for the next four years.

    Notice how even now it's more important to humiliate Hillary than it is to celebrate Obama.*  Thugs.  And while the policy proposals may differ the attitude is an awful lot like the one that pushed W. on this country.  Yeah, I rejected that four years ago and I'm pretty sure if that's one of my options I'll be rejecting it again.  

    * The misogyny that has been unleashed in this campaign is not going to easily be put back into the bottle.  It is a sickness that infects the culture and has been allowed to not only fester but bloom during this campaign.  What has resulted is ugly and the Democrats are not going to just be able to put it back in the bottle.  Bigots thrive in oppressing the targets of their hatred.  Having been empowered by Obama and the media, they aren't going to stop now.

    Wonder How Many Votes That Little Act (5.00 / 0) (#137)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:24:57 AM EST
    of immaturity cost Obama in the GE. Going from Bush thugs to Obama thugs is a real achievement.

    [ Parent ]
    They are not thugs (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by Steve M on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:10:11 AM EST
    They are "unity ambassadors."

    [ Parent ]
    ROTFLMAO Great Response n/t (none / 0) (#173)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:24:52 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Ohio (5.00 / 6) (#85)
    by Belle on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:28:37 AM EST
    I was listening to NPR in Columbus this morning. Gov. Strickland was saying that he continues to support Senator Clinton because she speaks about very important issues for the country (jobs, health care, etc.).

    Strickland is a good man. (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Fabian on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:13:58 AM EST
    Dealt with the AG scandal well, still supporting Hillary because of [gasp!] The Issues.

    I'm glad there are Dems who can see the bigger picture includes more than egos and political power grabs.

    [ Parent ]

    I understand that things for them may be (5.00 / 5) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:37:07 AM EST
    hugs and kisses and that is as it should be.  This morning though I'm left with the taste of misogyny in my mouth.  I'm not placing it directly on Obama, but on his surrogates and most of his supporters and the media so he is getting some on him.  I have been female living in this culture and in the lower 48 for 43 years now.  I have had my trials as a woman due to being a woman.  I lack energy and enthusiasm for anything Obama today.  I'm told that Obama doesn't really care and he doesn't need me and anyone who is like me and that's fine because I don't need him or anyone who likes him.  Nope, don't need.........it is a choice and one that hasn't taken from me yet like others they would like to take from me that Obama says are moral issues.  Like in America HE can tell me what MY MORAL issues are!  This will be chalked up to bitterness I'm sure, but it is far more than that.  It is who I am and it is my life.  I won't be resorting to preaching Feminist Liberation Theology though.

    Barnacle??? (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by janedw420 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:45:29 AM EST
    MSNBC called her a BARNACLE, didn't mean to watch, just changing channels...

    Add it to the list. (none / 0) (#106)
    by Fabian on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:14:59 AM EST
    I guess that doesn't count as sexism, but it's hardly a compliment.

    [ Parent ]
    Sexism is not just (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by Foxx on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:50:53 AM EST
    derogatory comments about femaleness. It is also ugliness directed at women that isn't directed at men. As I'm sure you know, just pointing it out.

    [ Parent ]
    Barking: debunked zombie hooey risen at CNN (5.00 / 3) (#110)
    by Ellie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:39:02 AM EST
    (Or: why I usually never watch clown media.)

    After falsely touting for several hours that Obama "clinched" the Dem nomination, CNN issued a few-seconds' long clarification that Obama is merely the "PRESUMPTIVE" nominee.

    The undead walks again ... the media-issued Obama cummerbund for the presumptive nominee as he speaks to AIPAC:

    Obama Makes History
    Speaks in DC after clinching nomination.

    That. He. Actually. Didden.  by CNN's own walkback.

    I normally don't care about these twits, but you'd think that there'd be some room in the Obama infomercial for news about Sen. Clinton's accomplishments outside the droopy-shouldered sad enquiry of WWTSB/OMFG- what'd she do NOW???

    Everyone get real (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by Upstart Crow on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:13:42 AM EST
    He's not going to be the next president. Wait till the new skeletons and the TV ads come out. The country simply has never elected anyone this far to the left. In times of economic troubles, they vote for someone who looks like a bank director, not a novice who talks about hope. He is the typical McGovern demographic, with problems McGovern never dreamt of

    Hillary has got to get out of the way. Let me say this again: Hillary has got to get out of the way!

    Please. No miracle scenarios of upset victories in Denver. She's already had a history of trouble putting together a campaign, and she would be getting a late start in the season long after the GOP has mobilized. Plus, there's a group already assembling to riot in Denver if anything happens to take the nomination away from Obama. Remember Hubert Humphrey in '68? Did he win? Hard to start a campaign in the midst of race riots.

    From Pelosi's comment this morning about "getting stern" with the Hillary forces, it's clear they are going to continue to blame Hillary as long as she is anywhere in this picture! And if she is the VP, they are going to blame her for his loss. (And I don't think she's going to be able to troubleshoot the problems when the skeletons begin to dance.)  

    These people have no strategy except blaming Hillary.  For her own political survival, she should smile gracefully, wish them all luck, and take an extended vacation in San Juan.

    Please please please: let him fall on his own fanny! The car is rolling downhill now -- get out of the way!

    A long cruise-no media! (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:25:47 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Training Wheels Come Off... (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by santarita on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:46:31 AM EST
    for Obama sooner or later.  Might as well be sooner.  

    Obama should be thanking Hillary for schooling him on campaigning and for keeping the attention of the national media on him in a favorable way. In fact, she should keep the drama going for him all the way to the convention.  

     With Clinton out of the way it's just going to be Obama and McCain.  I don't see  McCain bashing by the media in general.  That means that the media will bash Obama or simply find other stories of more interest.  Of course, Olbermann and MSNBC will maintain the Obama love fest for a dwindling demographic.  

    [ Parent ]

    it seemed like MSNBC (none / 0) (#188)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:25:59 PM EST
    didnt even carry McCains speech last night.
    is that true?  I turned over at the end to see what they would have to say about it and no McCain.

    [ Parent ]
    Why the heck should anyone (none / 0) (#194)
    by BrandingIron on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:59:13 PM EST

    cave due to the threat of a riot?  This is the exact same bunch of crap that gives race relations a terrible, terrible name, and if anyone's going to riot over Obama RIGHTFULLY losing the nomination for a position he's not qualified for, then that says more about the people rioting than it does the system.  It's fear mongering and if it does happen, then hey, welcome to Kenya (where Obama's candidate/relative lost his election and then his supporters rioted/slashed/burned/killed).  If people want to behave like a bunch of animals, let them.  The police (and G-d) will take care of it.

    [ Parent ]
    "Clinton supporter"? Yeah, right (5.00 / 3) (#140)
    by Raven15 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:26:01 AM EST
    How stupid do you think we are?

    More blackmail (5.00 / 5) (#141)
    by Nessuno on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:29:51 AM EST
    Here we go, more blackmail.  I thought this was supposed to be a pro Obama argument. I don't see anything in here that is pro Obama, just the usual "bow down and submit or we are all DOOMED, DOOMED I tell you."  count me out.  Come back when you have an actual reason to vote for him instead of a bunch of Bush style fear tactics.  This kind of thing is getting old.

    Fear and Blame (none / 0) (#193)
    by tree on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:39:11 PM EST
    They're the new Obama campaign messages. Along with Resistance is Futile.

    [ Parent ]
    He voted for some of those items. (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:39:17 AM EST
    Not so compelling. A little too rah-rah. If we wanted to read MyDD, we would. If you would use a link, we could decide that for ourselves. Thanks.

    the nominee of the pundits and party elders (4.70 / 10) (#11)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:50:17 AM EST
    Pat Buchanan said Obama was the nominee of the pundits and party elders whereas Hillary was the nominee of the people.

    And man, the Obamabots on that show have been realliy out there. Chris has surpassed himself in his Obama love. It's kind of sickening to watch, even if you're for Obama I would think.

    I won't be surprised if Hillary doesn't wrap this up in some fashion as Terry suggested. I would of course like her to leave things open in some official capacity in case the universe changes, but I can certainly see her acknowledge Obama "won" and to offer to campaign for him. As others have said, that won't change the minds of many of her 18 million, but then the Obama camp has said they don't need them or want them, so no problem I guess.

    Ugh (5.00 / 8) (#18)
    by Athena on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:52:51 AM EST
    Tweety this morning on Obama:  "he had the iconic look of an American hero when he announced in January 2007;" and "the graceful way he moves."  We already know about the tingles.

    Get a room, already.

    [ Parent ]

    Tweety also said (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:00:38 AM EST
    that Kerry looked like Lincoln, or something like that, before proceeding to do his part to take him out.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't have any problem (none / 0) (#64)
    by brodie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:13:21 AM EST
    with Clinton Dems quoting Pitchfork favorably.  From the little I saw of MSBHO post-Iowa, he was almost their only in-house pundit who gave her a fair shake consistently.

    Nutjob Tweety just has a thing, or hang-up, about guys and their size ... and that's the only way he could have reached Kerry=Lincoln.

    Nutjob me, I think Kerry probably is the reincarnation of Andy Jackson ... when you look at some of the non-$20 depictions ...

    [ Parent ]

    Re: (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Pol C on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:00:50 AM EST
    Bathroom stall's more like it.

    [ Parent ]
    The graceful way he moves.. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Burned on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:00:20 AM EST
    Seriously?

    [ Parent ]
    Just the 3 of Us (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Athena on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:08:06 AM EST
    Yes - it all followed a question: "Chris, in the beginning no one but you and Barack and Michelle Obama believed this was possible.  What did you see?"

    He lapsed into a sentimental recitation of his infatuation, as desribed.

    [ Parent ]

    I don't know why (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Burned on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:11:49 AM EST
    But that gives me the giggles and I can't stop.
    Maybe it's hysteria.

    [ Parent ]
    I just threw up a little (5.00 / 4) (#79)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:21:33 AM EST
    in my mouth

    [ Parent ]
    He said last night he had waited a year and 1/2 (none / 0) (#115)
    by mogal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:54:07 AM EST
    ...FOR THIS MOMENT

    [ Parent ]
    He sounds like a Kelly Clarkson song. (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:23:15 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Oh, yuk, that love triangle (none / 0) (#122)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:02:16 AM EST
    of Tweety and Obama and the Other Obama . . . that makes for a mental picture that just destroyed some brain cells forever.  I hope.  I don't want that mental picture back.

    Btw, did anybody in this interview even seem to be a bit uncomfortable talking about what a so-called journalist "believes"?  Oh, well, pesky professional ethics?  Bygones.

    [ Parent ]

    Wouldn't we all rather have (none / 0) (#47)
    by TomP on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:06:29 AM EST
    Tweety have a crush on McCain.  Tweety is such an idiot, his "love" has to lose the candidate votes. :-)

    [ Parent ]
    I'd rather have him take an extended sabbatical (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Burned on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:17:14 AM EST
    from politics.

    He'd be a great addition to the panel on American Idol.

    [ Parent ]

    since he won't (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by kempis on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:42:04 AM EST
    I've been taking an extended sabbatical from him--and MSNBC and CNN and Daily Kos etc.

    It works well for me. :)

    Seriously, I've been horrified to see--once again--how dangerous it is to give incompetent and immature people like Matthews and "Hey, Lookametoo!" Olbermann a platform.

    Honestly, the bias of 99% of the television media in favor of Obama and against Hillary has led me to watch less television than I have in years. I guess that's one gift of this nomination.

    [ Parent ]

    I agree. (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Burned on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:47:38 AM EST
    I started watching my local news and I got a netflix account and some.....books.


    [ Parent ]
    books? (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by ccpup on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:08:28 AM EST
    what is this strange, new-fangled thing you call "books"?  I've heard stories, but have yet to see them.  Can anyone buy this so-called "book", or does one need a license?  Or a sherpa, perhaps, to find said "book"?

    Do tell.

    :-)

    [ Parent ]

    Please don't quote Pat Buchanan (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by independent voter on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:58:53 AM EST
    for G-d's sake, what is his agenda???? It is not helping out Democrats!

    [ Parent ]
    of course not (5.00 / 7) (#41)
    by Democratic Cat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:03:17 AM EST
    But it's informative -- it tells you what one of the lines of argument against Obama will be. "He couldn't even win the majority of voters in the Democrat [sic] primary and he wants to be President of the United States?"  "Installed by party leaders against the wishes of the people.  Why do Democrats hate Democracy?" Coming soon to a 527 near you.

    [ Parent ]
    actually (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by kenoshaMarge on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:04:15 AM EST
    that Pat Buchanan line has all ready been used by McCain. No doubt that most Republicans will believe it. The big problem is that many Independents and Democrats believe it too. And Clinton supporters really believe it.

    After what we all saw happen right on television for all the  world to see last Saturday afternoon the Democratic Party should be held in contempt by everyone with any integrity.

     We saw the disrespect for 1 Democratic candidate in order to lift up another candidate and we saw petty vote stealing that told us that when Nancy Pelosi wants to talk about a culture of corruption she needs to look at both sides of the aisle.

    [ Parent ]

    I told a couple of Obama supporters (none / 0) (#196)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 03:55:06 PM EST
    So, when 2000 was all over, settled by the Supreme Court, did it make you feel compelled to run out and vote for ... BUSH?

    That's exactly how I feel about this election....gamed, manipulated, and illegitimate.

    [ Parent ]

    Yeah (5.00 / 7) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:04:17 AM EST
    but you have to realize that the GOP is trying for these votes while Obama is not.

    [ Parent ]
    That's because they have said (none / 0) (#166)
    by zfran on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:12:48 AM EST
    they want the "Reagan Dems" and Repub. lite. The rest, unless you're of the elite or go to college, are unneeded. So go and build your new coalition....it's only this country at stake!!!

    [ Parent ]
    On the contrary (5.00 / 7) (#43)
    by goldberry on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:04:28 AM EST
    This is exactly the point that Obama has missed and that must be drilled into his head before Hillary endorses him iff he endorses him: Obama has to marry the other half of his party.  This is a shotgun wedding. She can't do it for him.  If he's the nominee, HE has to take responsibility for it.  And if he can't or won't do it, then he has no business being the nominee.  You can't write off more than half your base and then tell them to suck it up and vote for you and, oh, by the way, the loser better whip her people harder.  That's more divisive than anything.  
    So, Pat is absolutley correct.  She is the heart of the people, he is, well, we don't know WHAT he is exactly.  But he's the one who'd better get his act together or just step aside and let her do the whole thing.  


    [ Parent ]
    Yeah (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:15:27 AM EST
    given that we're all the menopausal crowd, why the heck would we care about Roe?  

    Maybe we care more about how we're treated on a day to day basis.  And it's pretty much sucked in the Hillary Clinton campaign days.

    I can't think of a single woman in power that would have been treated much differently than Hillary by the punditry.

    Let's see.

    Nancy Pelosi
    Barbara Boxer
    Diane Feinstein
    Chris Gregoire
    Patty Murray

    All very higher up women.  Do you think Chris Matthews and KO would treat any of them well if they were running for president?

    It's a woman thing.  They don't like women running for president.  We should know our place.  As far as Chrissy is concerned, we should be "obedient".

    [ Parent ]

    It's been more a Clinton thing (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by brodie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:21:09 AM EST
    than a purely woman thing, imo, in respect to MSM behavior.

    If we were talking about Repub women (and we might come the fall) vying for the presidency/VPency, many of these MSMers would have not played the sexist/misogynist card, or not nearly to the extent they did against HRC.

    Btw, Tweety likes both the centrist DiFi (they go back years to when he was a mere columnist) and, to a lesser extent, Pelosi (I think because of her long family political history and its old school machine nature in Baltimore).

    [ Parent ]

    Not the point. Dem women named (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:08:46 AM EST
    and only Dem women in post to which you reply.  And every one of them would meet misogyny from media, believe me.  Different forms of attacks would come for each one than for Clinton -- but attacks, there would be.

    We cannot kid ourselves that this is just a Clinton thing.  Women in politics with whom I'm talking do not kid themselves about it, and with what they've seen this year, we just lost some more women who could provide real Dem leadership.

    But yes, Repubs treat women far better.  They always have, historically, since supporting woman suffrage when Dems would not, since electing the first woman to Congress when it took Dems more than another decade, etc.

    [ Parent ]

    Teresa, when you say ... (none / 0) (#177)
    by Sara F on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:35:54 AM EST
    "given that we're all the menopausal crowd, why the heck would we care about Roe?"

    I hope you don't represent the thinking of the majority of the older women here.  If you do, it suggests to me that feelings about Hillary are completely personal and have nothing to do with the greater good of other women and other Democratic causes.  

    remember, we're voting for President, not best friend.

    [ Parent ]

    Its very difficult for the Obama side to see this. (5.00 / 4) (#142)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:30:41 AM EST
    I have had this argument several times with a relative and the very idea of it being Obama's job to win these voters makes him very angry. I mean it isn't that he takes it out on me or anything but on some level he feels wronged by Hillary voters. I'm starting to feel like it is a bigger impasse than I had imagined. I feel sometimes like I am being required to apologize for not having voted for their candidate.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama Has Stated Numerous Times (5.00 / 12) (#45)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:05:22 AM EST
    that Dems should not discount the wisdom of Republicans. We are in the post partisan era of American now.

    [ Parent ]
    lol (n/t) (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:08:55 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Those statements no longer are (5.00 / 4) (#78)
    by TomP on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:21:17 AM EST
    operative.  :-)

    It should be interesting times.  I think Senator Clinton will endorse Obama soon, campaign for him, and reject being VP.

    For all the vicious attacks on Senator Clinton by some, she has been a Democrat her whole life for a reason: she believes in our values.   Some folks have turned her into a villian, like in a wrestling match, that they love to hate and demonize, but their carricature is not the real person.  She fought for health care reform in 1993.  She worked for McGovern's election in 1972.  She and Bill fought Ronald Reagan and Bush I during the dark years of the 1980s and early 90s, when Republican rule lasted 12 years until Bill was elected.

    People choose to forget the Clintons' lifetime of service.  I don't.  They were more centrist than me, but we are on the same side.

    What Hillary Clinton said last night in her speech has been missed by some, but, I hope, not by Barack Obama:

    I want the nearly 18 million Americans who voted for me to be respected, to be heard and no longer to be invisible.

    The people on this blog deserve respect as fellow Democrats.   Those who supported Clinton are not racists, are not Appalachian hillbillies, are not whatever names they have been called at times by a few immature bloggers.  The Clinton voters deserve respect, just as Hillary Clinton deserves respect.  She and you have earned respect.

    I think Barack Obama will do that.  I hope so. He cannot unify the country if he cannot unify the Democratic Party.  Clinton will help, but as nominee, Obama must unify.  

    Last nights statements praising Clinton were good.  Now he must reach out to her voters and begin the process of healing.  

    [ Parent ]

    actually, sen. obama himself (5.00 / 7) (#86)
    by cpinva on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:29:27 AM EST
    has used racist, bitter, gun toting, appalachian hillbilly, religious nuts to describe those who didn't get the "hope and change" memo, and failed to vote for his oneness.

    i hope he enjoys being the answer to a future trivial pursuit question.

    [ Parent ]

    Oh, puhleeze -- patronizing speech (5.00 / 3) (#131)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:14:52 AM EST
    by Obama.  Yeh, people here heard his speech.  And Clinton's speech, too.  Count on it.

    Yeh, we also know that we deserve respect.  But we deserved it all along, so it's late for platitudes now.

    So now, can you identify what we did not hear in Obama's speech?  I waited all last night and now wait this morning to see if any Obama supporter can figure it out.

    Then, we might see whether we are even beginning to get the respect we deserve -- and always deserved.

    [ Parent ]

    TomP - Agreed (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by Sara F on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:52:13 AM EST
    Hillary's voters deserve respect.  So do all voters. and I think many of "Hillary's voters" already feel respected and feel visible via their own efforts.  Is she suggesting that her voters as a bloc are disrespected and invisible and that it's her responsibility as the runner-up candidate to change that?  How does she know how all her voters feel?

    No candidate owns their voters and candidates' responsibility to voters is to try to carry out their campaign promises if they win, not to boost voters' self-esteem if they lose.  Neither is it a candidate's right to presume that all the people who happened to cast a ballot for her one day have that expectation.

    [ Parent ]

    Actually (none / 0) (#103)
    by dmk47 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:08:01 AM EST
    Actually, she hasn't been a Democrat her whole life. Her final break with the Republicans came when she famously was disgusted with the way the Nixonites treated the Rockefeller Republicans in 1968.

    [ Parent ]
    Reality check please (5.00 / 9) (#93)
    by mmc9431 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:37:46 AM EST
    Unity was the primary focus of the GWB campaign in 1999. Look where that got us. And to date I haven't seen any effort by the Obama camp that even remotely resembles unity. They were more than happy to shred the party to suit their needs.

    [ Parent ]
    I just spit my coffee on the screen! You should (none / 0) (#52)
    by