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Remarks of Senator Barack Obama

Tonight, after fifty-four hard-fought contests, our primary season has finally come to an end.

Sixteen months have passed since we first stood together on the steps of the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Illinois. Thousands of miles have been traveled. Millions of voices have been heard. And because of what you said -- because you decided that change must come to Washington; because you believed that this year must be different than all the rest; because you chose to listen not to your doubts or your fears but to your greatest hopes and highest aspirations, tonight we mark the end of one historic journey with the beginning of another -- a journey that will bring a new and better day to America. Tonight, I can stand before you and say that I will be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States.

I want to thank every American who stood with us over the course of this campaign -- through the good days and the bad; from the snows of Cedar Rapids to the sunshine of Sioux Falls. And tonight I also want to thank the men and woman who took this journey with me as fellow candidates for President.

At this defining moment for our nation, we should be proud that our party put forth one of the most talented, qualified field of individuals ever to run for this office. I have not just competed with them as rivals, I have learned from them as friends, as public servants, and as patriots who love America and are willing to work tirelessly to make this country better. They are leaders of this party, and leaders that America will turn to for years to come.

That is particularly true for the candidate who has traveled further on this journey than anyone else. Senator Hillary Clinton has made history in this campaign not just because she's a woman who has done what no woman has done before, but because she's a leader who inspires millions of Americans with her strength, her courage, and her commitment to the causes that brought us here tonight.

We've certainly had our differences over the last sixteen months. But as someone who's shared a stage with her many times, I can tell you that what gets Hillary Clinton up in the morning -- even in the face of tough odds -- is exactly what sent her and Bill Clinton to sign up for their first campaign in Texas all those years ago; what sent her to work at the Children's Defense Fund and made her fight for health care as First Lady; what led her to the United States Senate and fueled her barrier-breaking campaign for the presidency -- an unyielding desire to improve the lives of ordinary Americans, no matter how difficult the fight may be. And you can rest assured that when we finally win the battle for universal health care in this country, she will be central to that victory. When we transform our energy policy and lift our children out of poverty, it will be because she worked to help make it happen. Our party and our country are better off because of her, and I am a better candidate for having had the honor to compete with Hillary Rodham Clinton. . . .

Helluva speech. Wonderfully delivered. HE gives good speech even Clinton supporters MUST admit.

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  • Hey (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:11:58 PM EST
    Spoiler alert!!! :)

    heh, (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by andgarden on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:17:33 PM EST
    He's getting applause for Hillary, as Hillary got for him. That is good.

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    Boilerplate (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:13:05 PM EST
    I'm biased but I'm not impressed.

    You're disqualified from (5.00 / 2) (#166)
    by mg7505 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:00 PM EST
    being in The Media: they just called it "definitely not boilerplate" -- some male pundit on CNN.

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    with all he exposure... (1.00 / 1) (#176)
    by p lukasiak on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:44:14 PM EST
    of Wright and Pfeger, I'm not sure that all that shouting and passion in front of adoring crowds is going to send the same message it used to.

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    He suddenly remembers her white grandmother (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by TalkRight on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:13:05 PM EST
    oh.. ya tonite is for her .. not Rev?

    Now that McCain's reaching out to women (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by catfish on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:14:28 PM EST
    Obama's speechwriters stuck in the thank granny line at the last minute.

    Parent
    Too bad (5.00 / 7) (#75)
    by Grace on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:28:12 PM EST
    she had those tire tread marks from being under the bus for so long...

    Parent
    Grandma is going to be very popular (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by ruffian on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:33:11 PM EST
    in the next 5 months.

    Parent
    Why does he never look at the camera? (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:13:07 PM EST
    at the people he is speaking to?  Never does he look, always averts his eyes.  

    Teleprompters (5.00 / 5) (#22)
    by oldpro on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:19:23 PM EST
    on both sides of the dias...he's reading the speech.

    He's good at reading it.

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    I disagree and I've said this (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by zfran on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:21:37 PM EST
    since the first speech he read way back when. It's disingenuous to read and not even once look at your audience, who are cheering him.

    Parent
    It's horrible (5.00 / 7) (#48)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:23:46 PM EST
    you have to look at "people in the eye", this is not working.  He exudes elitism.  Never once does he focus.  

    Parent
    Agree (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by badu on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:26:17 PM EST
    I just don't see why people think he is such a great speaker.  He is so obvious when he uses the teleprompter.  Hillary didn't need one - why does he?

    Parent
    Because it's all just words (5.00 / 6) (#124)
    by oldpro on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:36:53 PM EST
    for him...it's a life's work and experience for her.

    He's not a good 'talker' but he's a fair reader, so he comes off as a good 'speaker.'  In the form of oration.  It's all new to most people who never hear anyone at all give a speech about anything.  They know THEY couldn't do it...so to them it is....amazing.  Most don't have a clue that he's reading it.

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    Is it just me? (5.00 / 0) (#102)
    by Grace on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:32:05 PM EST
    It looks like the speech was pre-recorded and he's lipsyncing it.  The words are not matching his mouth totally...  

    Any sound editors post here?  

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    I can't be pre-recorded. There's (5.00 / 0) (#118)
    by zfran on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:34:57 PM EST
    no way to know where he's going to interrupted and for how long.

    Parent
    Lots of people use teleprompters and DO connect (5.00 / 3) (#111)
    by jawbone on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:33:18 PM EST
    with their audience and the camera. Is this just part of his personality?

    To seem aloof and disconnected from those around him?

    Parent

    Uh, he is (none / 0) (#44)
    by andrewwm on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:23:02 PM EST
    he's looking at the 20k crowd all around him.

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    Why look at the camera? (2.00 / 1) (#206)
    by DFLer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:11:29 PM EST
    It's a live speech to a live audience...not a tv audience.

    I don't see him avoiding eye contact with the audience...

    Parent

    It's finally ending. LOUD CHEERS (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by catfish on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:13:34 PM EST
    thank god! They must be thinking.

    The dreams of my father... (5.00 / 14) (#7)
    by citizen53 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:13:45 PM EST
    have vanished.  Now it's all about grandma.

    lool (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Monda on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:15:51 PM EST
    That was funny.  

    Parent
    Could not believe (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by otherlisa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:22:48 PM EST
    the grandmother reference. It seemed sooo insincere.

    Parent
    So he is the "messiah" afterall! (5.00 / 6) (#91)
    by AX10 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:30:32 PM EST
    I see he brought his grandma back to life after throwing her under the bus.

    Parent
    There's (5.00 / 8) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:14:37 PM EST
    a huge problem with all of Obama's speeches: He makes all these lofty promises about things like "eliminating poverty" but never puts a how in there.

    Why does he always just shout (5.00 / 10) (#19)
    by Boston Boomer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:18:33 PM EST
    the words out in a monotone?  He is really not such a great orator.  He needs to use some modulation.


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    As I said earlier, he doesn't seem to improve (5.00 / 9) (#69)
    by jawbone on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:26:55 PM EST
    with campaign practice. What we hear is what we're going to get.

    And Tweety complained about Hillary's voice?

    She improved massively. Not so much, imo, has he.

    And he's still stuck on Hopey Change with no specifics. Maybe Axelrod doesn't do specifics?

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    BostonBoomer, agreed.. (5.00 / 3) (#171)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:43 PM EST
    Speech modulation involves at least four factors: pitch, inflection, pace, and volume. Obama only knows VOLUME.

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    He expects Hillary to take care of all the (5.00 / 5) (#67)
    by Rhouse on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:26:50 PM EST
    heavy lifting.  All of her efforts will get UHC and other needed things done.

    Parent
    It Was Digusting (5.00 / 2) (#201)
    by talex on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:05:16 PM EST
    how he mentioned Hillary in the '90's fighting for Uni Healthcare when it was he, Obama, who used the Republicans Harry and Louise type ad to talk down here healthcare plan of today.

    Obama has no conscience.

    Parent

    yes (1.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Gabriel on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:30:16 PM EST
    Making promises they can't keep is the definition of all politicians.

    Parent
    It's not (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:24 PM EST
    the promises that are the problem it's the fact that he's continually vague. It's the same problem Kerry had.

    Parent
    Nah (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by Gabriel on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:41:07 PM EST
    All politicians do that. You'd have to be really dumb to get into hardcore specifics at this time, it only makes you more vulnerable to attacks. That's why all politicians are as vague as possible about what they want to do and how to do it.

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    McCain will make him (none / 0) (#180)
    by pie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:45:24 PM EST
    do specifics.

    He refused to do that with Hillary when he stopped debating.  He won't get away with that now.

    Uh oh.

    Parent

    Hahah (none / 0) (#189)
    by Gabriel on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:49:15 PM EST
    McCain? Have you watched McCain speak? He is old and boring.

    And Obama will ask him about his specifics regarding Iraq.

    Parent

    Amen (none / 0) (#197)
    by Thanin on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:54:03 PM EST
    BTD (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Monda on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:14:58 PM EST
    on CNN they said they he might have to "change" the speech, after Hillary's "no decision tonight".

    So, I'll wait for live blog, cause I'm not watching.

    Another reason the press ... (5.00 / 5) (#59)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:25:06 PM EST
    the press likes Obama.

    Like Reagan and both Bushes he speaks from prepared statements, and almost never varies, so reporters can file their stories early and get to bed before Leno.

    Parent

    Good point. (5.00 / 5) (#74)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:28:11 PM EST
    Hmm (5.00 / 12) (#11)
    by lilburro on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:15:18 PM EST
    "It's understanding that fiscal responsibility and shared prosperity can go hand-in-hand, as they did when Bill Clinton was President"

    Oh how the tune has changed already.

    ncncncnnc (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by Monda on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:16:37 PM EST
    No Reagan tonight?  No Bush the father and their holy spirits?

    Parent
    The problem (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:17:37 PM EST
    is that McCain is going to remind everyone of everything nasty Obama has said about Bill Clinton.

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    No one cares (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Gabriel on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:24:01 PM EST
    Bush called Reagan's policies 'vodoo economics' and it made no difference.

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    Too easy... (5.00 / 6) (#60)
    by OrangeFur on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:25:20 PM EST
    Shared prosperity while all those jobs in the small towns disappeared, rendering the people there bitter, religion-clinging prejudiced xenophobes?

    Parent
    Amazing, uh? (5.00 / 5) (#61)
    by Andy08 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:25:21 PM EST
    after 16 months of trashing the Clinton presidency and bot Bill and Hillary clinton accsuing them of racisst and oif ahving doine no good for our country.     What a   chutzpah ...
     Words, just words; I guess they are free.

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    No doubt! (5.00 / 6) (#68)
    by Marco21 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:26:55 PM EST
    It took him this long to remember the 1990s?

    Anyway, congrats to Obama and his supporters. I am not happy as I think this is a grave mistake for the Dem party in the fall - that's being kind - but it is what it is.

    Now I get to kick back and enjoy a martini for November.

    Parent

    Obama Humble? (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by SueBonnetSue on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:33 PM EST
    I don't think so.................

    Parent
    He almost chocked on that one (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:17:49 PM EST


    I'm curious as to why he felt (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by zfran on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:18:04 PM EST
    he should pre-advance his speech by sending it to the news media?

    It's his first State of the Union. Don't they (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by Teresa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:19:51 PM EST
    always do that?

    Parent
    I'd like to know too - standards? (none / 0) (#23)
    by catfish on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:19:29 PM EST
    Anybody know? I am not knocking it - but sometimes they send it out in advance and sometimes they do not.

    Did McCain, Clinton send out theirs?

    Parent

    Heh (5.00 / 16) (#31)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:20:18 PM EST
    I'm pretty sure Hillary didn't, by the way she left all the pundits slackjawed.

    I'm pretty sure McCain didn't, by the fact that the pundits were still awake.

    Parent

    Steve M (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by kmblue on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:33:07 PM EST
    You are too funny.

    Stop, yer killing me.

    Parent

    So BTD wouldn't have to type fast. (5.00 / 5) (#39)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:22:22 PM EST
    Simple Strategy (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Spike on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:22:48 PM EST
    Obama and McCain provided advance copies; Clinton didn't. It's a simple matter of communication strategy. Obama and McCain wanted to get their words to the press in advance to get stories written quickly. Clinton decided to play it closer to the vest in this case.

    Parent
    Something Reagan did ... (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:32:26 PM EST
    as I said up thread, this is something the press loves.  They get to file their stories early, and get in their jim-jams before the last news.

    Parent
    and boy oh boy (5.00 / 4) (#117)
    by kmblue on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:34:23 PM EST
    was Clinton smart.
    I would pay big bucks just to watch replays
    of the slack jaws of the media boyz after Clinton's speech.  Made my day, I tellya.

    Parent
    because (none / 0) (#32)
    by Monda on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:20:27 PM EST
    they knew Hillary was not going to concede tonight, his speech has love-dove things about the Clintons, and so the MSM can go on with she-devil venom they have been spewing this whole election.

    Parent
    No, apparently he did not know (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by zfran on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:24:44 PM EST
    that Hillary was not conceding. He apparently thought she was. His speech was prewritten.

    Parent
    Pretty standard (none / 0) (#57)
    by Gabriel on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:24:46 PM EST
    for politicians

    Parent
    Classy comments (5.00 / 5) (#21)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:18:49 PM EST
    about Hillary.  I realize it's all politics, but it's nice to see him telling the truth about her now.

    He expected her to concede (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by zfran on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:19:59 PM EST
    tonight. The speech was pre-written.

    Parent
    Was the O campaign (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by magisterludi on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:32:38 PM EST
    punked then? Sweet.

    Parent
    But he holds them in contempt... (4.90 / 10) (#62)
    by citizen53 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:25:36 PM EST
    so the words are empty, except to the pundits who will praise them.

    Sorry to differ with you.  After the campaign, the words sound crass.

    Parent

    Shrug (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:28:54 PM EST
    I don't disagree with you.  I'm a lawyer, I'm used to insincerity!  Sometimes it's important to say the right thing regardless of whether every last person will give you credit for meaning it.

    Parent
    When the jury figures out that... (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by citizen53 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:32:30 PM EST
    you are misleading them, you will lose them forever.

    Americans as jurors are easily misled without knowing.

    Parent

    Eh... (none / 0) (#167)
    by Thanin on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:17 PM EST
    Im a HRC supporter but even I understand this whole primary is just politics on both sides.  Its american politics to use negative methods to win.  They all do it and rarely do they actually dislike each other.  Its like Bill Clinton hanging out with bush sr.  They dont hate each other.  They do what they must, or think they must do, to win.  I don't know why people cant ever see that.

    Parent
    Sorry, I disagree (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by citizen53 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:06:55 PM EST
    There is no love lost between them, and I cringe when they compliment each other.

    Parent
    No, he can't say what ought to be said (4.55 / 9) (#120)
    by Cream City on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:35:36 PM EST
    when he says, "Senator Hillary Clinton has made history in this campaign not just because she's a woman who has done what no woman has done before" -- and doesn't complete the sentence, now, does he?

    Because what she has done is win more votes in a primary season than any man ever -- including Obama.

    But that wouldn't be something he could say.  So, sorry, he flunks my history class.  Incomplete answer.

    Parent

    Okay (5.00 / 0) (#169)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:35 PM EST
    Tough grader ;)

    Parent
    Wow, Cream, that is a powerful sentence (5.00 / 3) (#186)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:47:26 PM EST
    She won more votes in a primary than any man ever, including Obama.

    And here we are.

    I honestly don't know what to say to that.


    Parent

    Maybe because - (none / 0) (#213)
    by minordomo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:17:18 AM EST
    - he doesn't buy that there are no Obama voters at all in Michigan.

    Looks like it's about time to retire that fiction - the superdelegates never went for it.

    Parent

    His praise about Hillary and Health Care seem litt (5.00 / 5) (#25)
    by TalkRight on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:19:37 PM EST
    little too disingenuous.

    The head movements (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:19:38 PM EST
    are disturbing.  

    I will say again, McCain should have stayed (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by bjorn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:19:53 PM EST
    home tonight. Hillary and Barack are so ALIVE compared to him.  And it is not about age.  He just doesn't have the mojo.

    I hope the NOV election is not about speech (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by TalkRight on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:22:25 PM EST
    but about right person.

    Parent
    McCain can afford to be mojo free. (none / 0) (#193)
    by Step Beyond on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:50:31 PM EST
    Bush winning twice should have taught everyone that the ability to speak coherently and not appear dazed and confused is not a prerequisite for winning an election.

    Parent
    The best part he just said: (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by andgarden on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:20:40 PM EST
    you can rest assured that when we finally win the battle for universal health care in this country, she will be central to that victory. When we transform our energy policy and lift our children out of poverty, it will be because she worked to help make it happen.
    This is exactly what Obama needs to do, and HE will probably have to do it with her.

    agree (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by bjorn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:22:12 PM EST
    Me too (none / 0) (#54)
    by otherlisa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:24:37 PM EST
    and he'd better be prepared to do a helluva lot more along these lines.

    Parent
    How do you do that with the Harry & Louise (5.00 / 12) (#40)
    by Teresa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:22:24 PM EST
    ads everywhere?

    Parent
    Thank you (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Monda on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:23:27 PM EST
    No democrat has done more to (5.00 / 15) (#63)
    by Esme on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:25:39 PM EST
    undermine UHC than Barack Obama.

    Parent
    Ditto that and THANK YOU! (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by vicsan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:30 PM EST
    What a hypocrite he is!

    Parent
    LOL don't know why but (none / 0) (#178)
    by Valhalla on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:44:25 PM EST
    the never-done-more jokes just never get old with me!

    I must have a really juvenile sense of humor...

    Parent

    And these are the things (5.00 / 6) (#58)
    by lilburro on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:24:50 PM EST
    Hillary's speech set up the conversation to be about.  Not that the media would take note.

    Parent
    Gag me (5.00 / 10) (#64)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:25:43 PM EST
    with a Harry & Louise mailer

    Parent
    He likes her plan now? (5.00 / 6) (#78)
    by madamab on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:28:25 PM EST
    I thought he thought it was punitive and would force people to pay for health care they couldn't afford?

    Golly gee!

    Next he's going to tell us Hillary is NOT SATAN!

    I just don't know what to "believe" anymore...;-)

    Parent

    Bull (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by Davidson on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:52 PM EST
    For months now he has been lying about his current plan calling it "universal."  Hell, even Edwards repeated that lie when he endorsed Obama.  I don't believe a word Obama says.  And an entire campaign of undermining UHC will make it impossible for him to do so.

    Not to mention, he's not qualified to be president so people will ask, "How do you actually plan on pushing this through when you have no leadership experience, let alone accomplishments?"  He can't.  This will always be his fatal flaw.

    Parent

    Speech better with paragraph breaks! (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by catfish on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:20:43 PM EST
    Much better speech after BTD edited.

    Yeah - I couldn't read it before (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by ruffian on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:28:45 PM EST
    It looked like the insane ramblings of a madman.  Or something by James Joyce.

    Parent
    Riverrun, (none / 0) (#209)
    by JDM in NYC on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:18:32 PM EST
    past Bill and Hill'ry's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation to White Howth Castle and environs...

    Parent
    Oh, so Bill Clinton isn't a racist anymore? (5.00 / 13) (#35)
    by No Blood for Hubris on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:21:18 PM EST
    How convenient.

    And Obama's not scraping Hillary off his shoes tonight, either?

    Must be because  she trounced him by 12% in SD, the state he was supposed to win easily, don't you think?

    Curiouser and curiouser.

    No one has done more (5.00 / 3) (#98)
    by mulletov cocktails on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:31:03 PM EST
    to stand up for the Clinton legacy than Barack and Unities.  You probably missed that memo inbetween all of the reports on all the victories he garnered in key battleground states over the last few months.

    Parent
    Thanks for watching and blogging this so I don't (5.00 / 4) (#36)
    by Angel on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:21:29 PM EST
    have to watch. I couldn't stand it.  And thanks for the laughs in the comments, I really, really need to laugh tonight.

    Hey, I thought universal health care meant (5.00 / 15) (#47)
    by No Blood for Hubris on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:23:33 PM EST
    government forced you to buy plans against your will that you couldn't afford?

    That's what Obama's anti-Hillary pamphlet said.

    But who cares about flipflops when you're declaring an historic victory while losing a primary, eh?

    I had to cut out the rest of the speech (5.00 / 5) (#50)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:23:55 PM EST
    Server issues. Can't live bog it cuz I do not do that.

    the rest is the standard stunp speech.

    I'm listening to it ( can't watch) and (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by Rhouse on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:22 PM EST
    yes it's a standard stump speech except he keeps (Dean) screaming about change and yelling for effect for most of the end pard that BTD didn't put up.  Oh, and now he ends with Bruces' "Rising"

    Parent
    Bruce? Bruce?!?! BRUCE???! (none / 0) (#188)
    by Valhalla on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:49:09 PM EST
    Now wait just a darn minute.  He can't co-opt Springsteen.  Forget all that church stuff, that's sacrilege!  

    Parent
    Has he been taking speech lessons (5.00 / 2) (#202)
    by RalphB on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:05:39 PM EST
    from Wexler?  What's up with the yelling?  If this is a "great speech" then my dog is an astronaut.

    Boilerplate, jeez Kerry could have said this in '04 but without the emotion.

    Parent

    The write-in campaign started! (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by koshembos on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:24:33 PM EST


    So was it one of the best political speeches... (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:27:01 PM EST
    ...of our lifetime as the Obama supporter on Lou Dobbs show tonight promised?

    to be fair (5.00 / 3) (#82)
    by bjorn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:29:05 PM EST
    he is doing well, but I think Hillary was amazing.
    He finally paid respect to the Clinton legacy.

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    It (3.50 / 2) (#99)
    by LoisInCo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:31:24 PM EST
    honestly sounded like a hodgepodge of all the speeches he has ever given (except the race one) with a little brown nosing of Hillary and lots of fanatic sign waving behind him to keep us awake.

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    Irritable (5.00 / 3) (#127)
    by Athena on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:09 PM EST
    Does he seem bored - or just his usual irritated self?  Does he have somewhere else to go?

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    Hahaha I could (5.00 / 0) (#147)
    by LoisInCo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:39:01 PM EST
    answer, but won't!

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    Not (none / 0) (#157)
    by JimWash08 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:47 PM EST
    even close to it.

    But I have to admit, I read the entire speech about 2 hours ago when it leaked on Daily Kos.

    A definitely thumbs-up from McCain's though.


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    Speaking of DK... (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by madamab on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:46:08 PM EST
    how will they now rein in the Hillary Hate after their Beloved has praised her so lavishly? (Well, for him?)

    I eagerly await the pretzelification that will soon begin! :-)

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    It would make so much more sense (5.00 / 8) (#71)
    by ruffian on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:27:11 PM EST
    for him to be VP for 8 years and then president for 8. He would have a bigger impact over a longer period of time.  This makes no sense to me at all.  

    He will be leaving government once he gets the hang of it.

    I'm actually getting bored (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Lil on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:28:16 PM EST


    Yeh, I muted. I haven't been able (5.00 / 4) (#144)
    by Cream City on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:57 PM EST
    to listen to him for months.  I thought it was because of the same speech, over and over -- but maybe it's because even a different speech sounds the same now.  The baritone isn't working for me anymore, like a rock star whose voice never changes so becomes a one-hit flash in the pan.

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    He left Bill off the list of Great Dem Presidents (5.00 / 6) (#77)
    by Salo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:28:17 PM EST
    thisis still a dogfight obviously.

    The free world does not want... (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by citizen53 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:28:36 PM EST
    or need our leadership.

    Why do we presume they do?

    We are better repairing our own democracy, which is sliding into peril.

    "when Bill clinton was President . . " (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:29:06 PM EST
     a lot of that in this speech.

    hmmmm . .  .

    He can lean from Bill's 1996 campaign (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by andgarden on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:31:01 PM EST
    In fact, I know he already has, because he refers to McCain's hero status the way Clinton always did Dole's.

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    Dole was wounded (none / 0) (#125)
    by Salo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:36:59 PM EST
    McCain's bio is a bit more dramatically that of the scion of an imperial family. However, McCain can't carry off his POW stuff like Churchill did in his day. Thank god.

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    He never said one nice (4.66 / 3) (#105)
    by vicsan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:32:37 PM EST
    thing about Bill Clinton this entire campaign and we this tonight? How transparent can he be? SCHMOOZE TIME!

    I'm not buying what he's selling.

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    He is still Mr President ,ne c'est pas? (none / 0) (#116)
    by Salo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:34:13 PM EST
    Yeah there's still a bit of a fight to be had over something or other.

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    Oh, hey, whaddya know... (5.00 / 4) (#84)
    by Dawn Davenport on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:29:10 PM EST
    The Clinton years were filled with prosperity.... who knew?

    well (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by Monda on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:33:41 PM EST
    it was just the primary ya know?  Now he'll find out  where the Great Lakes are, and how many states are in US ;).  

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    There is no comparison in the speeches-- (5.00 / 0) (#86)
    by mogal on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:29:33 PM EST
     I'm shocked I thought he was suppose to be the speaker.

    she really spoke from the heart and (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by bjorn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:31:33 PM EST
    connected with her voters.

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    Did I just hear him laud the Clinton years? (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by citizen53 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:30:02 PM EST
    This speech is sounding like virtual reality.

    This is unreal. (1.00 / 1) (#115)
    by vicsan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:33:51 PM EST
    The nerve of this man. The ARROGANCE of this man is unbelievable.

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    No he isn't (none / 0) (#136)
    by mg7505 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:19 PM EST
    he just said: "I face this challenge with profound humility."

    Obama said it. It must be true. [/snark]

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    Obama? Humility? (1.00 / 1) (#184)
    by vicsan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:46:27 PM EST
    He doesn't know the meaning of the word.

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    I'm going to break with (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by Makarov on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:30:39 PM EST
    my usual anti-Obama rhetoric and say that what he said about Clinton was good, and it's the kind of thing he needs to do if he is going to unite the party.

    I'm not 100% sure I will vote for the guy, as the road to November is still long, and I need to hear more before he's earned my vote (adopting a REAL universal health care plan would go a long way).

    That said, I'm going to give credit where it's due. Let's see if he can handle waiting a few days for Hillary to decide her plans. I'll say this - if he or his campaign at any point make the claim she hasn't earned the right to go to Denver, that will be the day I know I won't vote for Obama. Until then, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Too little too late. I will never vote for him. (4.33 / 6) (#109)
    by Angel on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:33:09 PM EST
    All of this stuff tonight is nothing more than empty words.  Rhetoric.  Drivel.  Not heartfelt.  Fake.  Phoney.  Pandering.  I don't buy it.

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    What angel said! (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by gandy007 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:57:54 PM EST
    I notice he said, "I will be the nominee, not I am the nominee." He is just smart enough to ad lib that much with out a complete script change.

    Too bad the MSM doesn't understand that he may not be the nominee, nor is he the nominee until he is the only candidate left or there is a vote of delegates.

    I'm not giving up "hope" til Clinton calls it quits, she's the nominee, or the Democratic party commits hari kari or hara kiri as the case might be, and votes Obama in.

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    I keep thinking that there's a lot of time between (5.00 / 0) (#95)
    by Angel on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:30:45 PM EST
    now and August.

    Why does he keep speaking to (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by zfran on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:30:49 PM EST
    Minnesota only "that's the kind of change we need Minnesota." Why not say that's the kind of change we need AMERICA!@!!!! isn't he speaking now to all of the american people!!!!!

    Minnesota is trouble for Dems now (5.00 / 3) (#156)
    by Cream City on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:43 PM EST
    because of a lot of problems with Franken's campaign, among other causes.  I posted a link to an analysis earlier today that said it could go red.

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    I liked (5.00 / 4) (#107)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:32:39 PM EST
    when he talked about McCain obsessing over visiting Iraq, and said he ought to visit some American cities so he can understand what people need.  Strongly delivered line.

    Indeed (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by andgarden on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:33:36 PM EST
    Strongly written line (2.00 / 1) (#121)
    by mg7505 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:35:55 PM EST
    I hope he wrote it. That would be a change.

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    He should visit (none / 0) (#187)
    by MichaelGale on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:48:20 PM EST
    some American cities too.  LIke Lexington, KY, Somerset, Pa., Fairmont W.Va, Marshall, Ohio. Flint, MI and Okeechobee. Fl.

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    Too tired to wait for open thread: Lautenberg won (5.00 / 5) (#133)
    by jawbone on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:47 PM EST
    NJ Senate Dem Primary. NJ went for the old guy!

    Good deal (5.00 / 3) (#139)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:30 PM EST
    He is a good vote for us.  Let's hear it for the WWII vets!

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    Now he is yelling. (5.00 / 4) (#141)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:34 PM EST


    Maybe it's me. Maybe I'm too (5.00 / 2) (#145)
    by zfran on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:58 PM EST
    jaded, but I am really not impressed. It must be me. He is making this speech for himself, imo.

    This is a master at manupulation... (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by citizen53 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:58 PM EST
    but that is what works in America.

    We will swallow anything that is packaged the right way.

    You know what? (5.00 / 4) (#164)
    by pie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:42:24 PM EST
    From New Hampshire and beyond, the primary voters did not buy into the media spin.

    No more caucuses.  

    No wonder Obama looks worried.

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    They have the PR down pat... (none / 0) (#183)
    by citizen53 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:46:14 PM EST
    just like in the movies.

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    Too bad for us and him, that the republicans (5.00 / 1) (#210)
    by cosbo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:21:56 PM EST
    are very good at stripping and repackaging, especially when they've got lots of material to work with.

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    He doesn't look all that happy... (5.00 / 3) (#149)
    by Dawn Davenport on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:39:38 PM EST
    ...for someone who's just won his party's nomination.

    He's got a long, hot summer (5.00 / 3) (#185)
    by oldpro on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:47:02 PM EST
    ahead of him before he nails it down with actual VOTES at the convention...and a lot can happen between now and the end of August.

    And if he actually gets through that, then he has to tackle the Republicans and John McCain.

    With little or no real backup.

    Criminy...Daschle couldn't even deliver South Dakota to him...Kerry and Kennedy failed with Massachusetts.  And THAT WAS JUST WITH DEMOCRATS!

    These people are embarrassing.  They'll never get him elected this fall...and I'm not coming to their rescue.

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    I never liked how Obama's speeches (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by kayla on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:41 PM EST
    don't always logically follow.  There was just a line about how his 'campaign is not going to think of his opponent as an enemy to bludgeon because we may call ourselves Republicans and Democrats but we are all Americans'.

    That makes no sense to me.  We don't bludgeon because we are all Americans?  Umm... does he not know American history?

    Anyway - this is a good Obama speech (which means I think it's full of banalities and platitudes and nothingness).  I'm glad he praised Hillary and Bill and I'm glad he's spending most of the speech attacking McCain.  I really don't feel a part of it, though.

    Strange visual..... (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by oldpro on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:42:06 PM EST
    She doesn't look like a 'first lady' to me...and he doesn't look like a 'president.'

    They somehow look like...TV stars...

    Good Grief the media is talking in hushed tones... (5.00 / 2) (#165)
    by mogal on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:00 PM EST
    ... comparing him to Lincoln.

    the last, best hope (sigh) (5.00 / 2) (#174)
    by teachermom on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:44:02 PM EST
    it's like I'm on a spaceship

    Too intense (5.00 / 5) (#192)
    by suzyqueue on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:50:03 PM EST
    His speeches are too rabid and fierce, as is the crowd's reaction.  This doesn't uplift or inspire me, it scares me.  I fear others will have the same reaction in the general election.

    I think Obama asked for the speech (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by ajain on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:55:45 PM EST
    He asked for the defiant speech when he tried to push her out of the race with such urgency. He asked for her defiant speech in the face of the Dem leadership and media when he decided that he would declare victory the way he did. He asked for it when he didnt allow her to end it on her terms.

    I, as a Hillary supporter, did not think he (5.00 / 3) (#204)
    by zfran on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:08:00 PM EST
    gave a compelling speech. Maybe it's the tone of his voice, but he doesn't connect. Those fans were cheering their heads off, and he never looked at them except once where he acknowledged
    someone and he grinned. Sorry, no tingle. At least Hillary speaks from notes and makes eye contact with her supporters. Maybe I'm not easily influenced!!!

    oscar nominee (5.00 / 1) (#207)
    by sociallybanned on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:13:15 PM EST
    I thought he was giving an oscar speech instead and by god, his white gammy is still alive after being thrown under the bus.

    This Clinton supporter found his speech (5.00 / 1) (#208)
    by zfran on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:14:13 PM EST
    not at all stirring, perhaps I like my speeches shaken, not stirred!!! I thought his delivery was bad and his message nothing new. At least Hillary makes eye contact!!!

    "with profound humility" (4.55 / 9) (#135)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:59 PM EST
    Okay, Barack, now you're pushing the limits of my credulity.

    OMG...that speech (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by vicsan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:16 PM EST
    was SOOOOOOOO over the top!

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    Didn't he then say... (5.00 / 5) (#160)
    by citizen53 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:41:36 PM EST
    that this was the start of saving the world?

    Where was the humility in that?

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    Because (none / 0) (#181)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:45:51 PM EST
    we are the ones saving the world, not him!

    Still, look, Barack Obama is just not a humble man.

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    Uh...no. (4.46 / 15) (#20)
    by Romberry on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:18:45 PM EST
    Tonight, I can stand before you and say that I will be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States.

    Actually, no. You can say that as of tonight you've lined up enough automatic/superdelegates to get to the magic number. You can say that as of tonight, you can be considered the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party. But until the roll is called in Denver, you can't say that you will be the Democratic nominee for president.

    All the props towards HRC are too little, too late. You ran a dirty and racist campaign. You got the RBC to break its own rules and award you votes and delegates you did not earn. And along the way, you lost any chance at all that I will ever turn out to vote for you on election day even if you do become the nominee when the roll is called.

    Shhhhhhh...don't tell anyone. (3.00 / 2) (#163)
    by vicsan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:42:16 PM EST
    It's a secret that he isn't REALLY the nominee. He's the nominee in his own mind. Don't crush the fantasy!

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    What audacity. (4.42 / 7) (#87)
    by vicsan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:29:47 PM EST
    snore His arrogance is breathtaking. He just anointed himself the nominee. When did the Super Delegates vote? I must have missed it. You mean they held a convention and forgot to tell me?

    OK....back to chewing on glass.

    This is a good speech (4.00 / 4) (#100)
    by andgarden on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:31:31 PM EST


    I agree, andgarden, (5.00 / 3) (#128)
    by DCDemocrat on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:15 PM EST
    It's a very good speech.

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    It certainly got better (5.00 / 3) (#196)
    by DFLer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:53:11 PM EST
    for the finally third, when he got passionate.

    Boy, compared to McCain's style. Ouch!

    His shout outs to Hillary were good, well received and seemed sincere to me.

    Biggest problem of the night is of course the after-glow punditry.

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    I am going to sleep (3.00 / 2) (#119)
    by TalkRight on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:35:28 PM EST
    same old speech..

    Denver we go!!!!!!!!

    More plagarism from Obama... (3.00 / 2) (#123)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:36:01 PM EST
    Obviously the grandmother line isn't in the transcript of his speech.

    He added the grandmother 'homage' because he just couldn't let Hillary have the glory of honoring her own grandmother on the eve of her 98th birthday.

    And the best thing he can say about his own grandmother is that: "she...[pause]...poured everything she had into me".

    what a great speech (3.00 / 2) (#153)
    by mffarrow on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:25 PM EST
    I'm excited to move on to the GE now!

    I especially love the way (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by mffarrow on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:44:13 PM EST
    Obama took on McCain.  This is going to be good...

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    Wasn't It? (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by Spike on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:50:51 PM EST
    It was a great speech. Well written, well delivered and very well received. Compare it to McCain. Obama can obviously move a crowd of >30,000. McCain was flat and clearly uncomfortable in front of a crowd of maybe 200. It's going to be an interesting campaign!

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    Wow (2.37 / 8) (#2)
    by Spike on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:12:00 PM EST
    He will be a great president

    His chances of being elected (4.42 / 7) (#17)
    by oldpro on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:18:02 PM EST
    to the presidency are

    slim and

    none.

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    Obama/Slimtonone'08 (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by Salo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:24:40 PM EST
    Alliterative.

    I'd say it's 50/50

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    As Daniel Drezner wrote (4.00 / 3) (#65)
    by Gabriel on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:26:00 PM EST
    everything indicates Obama is the favorite to win.

    http://www.danieldrezner.com/archives/003840.html

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:33:38 PM EST
    he obviously hasn't been paying attention to the internals on polls. McCain is leading Obama even on the issue of the economy. Obama seems to have a Jimmy Carter problem.

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    Nah (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by Gabriel on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:48 PM EST
    Obama has been leading in the polls almost since the beginning. And as most academics who studied this can tell you, the fundamentals predict the outcomes very well.

    McCain is an old angry man that wants to continue the policies of the most unpopular president in US history. Obama may even win in a landslide.

    GOPers keep telling themselves their problem is their message, but they are in denial. Their problem is Iraq and the economy and neither is changing anytime soon.

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    The fundamentals (none / 0) (#177)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:44:15 PM EST
    are not in Obama's favor right now. Like I said, McCain is leading Obama in both of those areas with the voters.

    Obama in a landslide? LOL! Frankly, if everything was so bad for the GOP he should be leading by 20 pts but he isn't. In 1976 Jimmy Carter was leading by 20 pts against Ford. Obama is tied with McCain right now.

    Do you realize that the Dems in congress are EVEN LESS popular than Bush right now?

    And the age thing that Obama talks about is completely stupid. He already has problems with voters over 60 so with that attitude I expect it continue. And they are much, much more reliable voters than the twenty somethings.

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    Isn't he a republican blogger (5.00 / 0) (#130)
    by pie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:21 PM EST
    who was one of the first to get off the Iraq war train after it went over the cliff?

    Or a libertarian?

    Either way, pfffffft.

    He's from Chicago too, right?

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    He's an academic (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Gabriel on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:36 PM EST
    and he's right.

    Obama is the clear favorite right now.

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    I hope so! (4.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:19:34 PM EST
    For all our sakes.

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    ROTFLMAO! (1.00 / 1) (#170)
    by vicsan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:36 PM EST
    No he won't be. Because he won't be the President. He can't beat McCain.

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    For just a few minutes (2.33 / 3) (#132)
    by Newt on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:42 PM EST
    try listening as if you're hearing someone who wants you to be involved in the process we have to go through to recover our country.  

    Hillary's speech was fantastic.  Right from the heart.  

    But just try to hear him as if he's asking us to make change, not vote for someone to fix things.

    This movement is more about us than him.

    This doesn't work for me (5.00 / 2) (#190)
    by kayla on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:49:25 PM EST
    "he's asking us to make change"

    It just doesn't work.  I'm not getting it. Shrug.

    Make change?  No offense, but that sounds silly to me.  It's just a campaign slogan.

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    Make WHAT change? (4.33 / 6) (#172)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:46 PM EST
    Jeezus, not this crap again. Are we going to have to listen to this empty rhetoric forever now? Just kill me.

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    What change?! (3.66 / 3) (#151)
    by pie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:21 PM EST
    Worse excuse ever.

    He's right in the thick of old Washington politics.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#179)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:45:03 PM EST
    Have you been reading my diaries?

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    If... (1.00 / 2) (#154)
    by jor on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:37 PM EST
    ... Hillary wanted to unite the party -- she should have come to Minnesota.

    Why (none / 0) (#199)
    by Step Beyond on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:56:51 PM EST
    Does Minnesota have some unique property this evening that if combined with Hillary Clinton's DNA emits a gas that suddenly makes people all think alike?

    Oh no. Its because you want to select something she didn't do and assign it some great meaning in order to bash her. 2 states had their primary on the same day and she didn't make her speech from the one you think she should have she doesn't want a united party.

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    Uh... (1.00 / 2) (#205)
    by jor on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:08:09 PM EST
    .. Minnesota didn't have a primary. It's where Obama gave his speech after clinching the nomination. If Clinton had appeared on stage today -- she would have appeared generous and helped unite the party. Instead she gave a combative speech and is trying to play hard-ball with a fellow democrat. Her supporters demand the spot light for her, on the day the other candidate clinched the candidacy.

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    For God's sake (none / 0) (#45)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:23:08 PM EST
    could we ONCE mention McCain without talking about what a hero he is?  It's like there's some kind of rule or something!

    Well, you just ... (5.00 / 5) (#72)
    by OrangeFur on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:27:37 PM EST
    talked about McCain and what a hero he is.

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    Argh! (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:30:44 PM EST
    I can't win.

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    Hee hee! (5.00 / 0) (#140)
    by pie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:30 PM EST
    Poor Steve M.

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    Axelrod has learned from Bill Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by andgarden on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:29:23 PM EST
    who ran effectively against Bob Dole that way.

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    Talk to MSNBC about that Sir. (5.00 / 3) (#90)
    by Salo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:30:20 PM EST
    The brainwashing is out of my hands at this point, sir.  Polish your medals sir? Tenshun.

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    I guess you haven't seen my previous posts (1.00 / 0) (#73)
    by Newt on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:27:52 PM EST
    about the man who's job is was to bomb villages.

    Oh yeah, did I mention I'm a veteran?  Just sayin' so I don't get flamed to badly...

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    Heh (none / 0) (#92)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:30:32 PM EST
    I'm not saying he's not a hero, although I respect where you're coming from.  I don't want us to start ripping on people's military service, that's what the other guys do.  I just don't know why it has to be absolutely obligatory to compliment his heroism in every last speech.

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    Nice (none / 0) (#159)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:41:24 PM EST
    And what were you doing? Working for the pacifist cause?

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    He should read the things... (none / 0) (#122)
    by citizen53 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:35:56 PM EST
    his supporters say about others.  They demonize their friends.

    Imagine what they will say about the other side.  

    They are all about consensus.

    I think the speech was good (none / 0) (#126)
    by bjorn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:05 PM EST
    but for a second there he looked like he was watching a ping pong match with his head going back and forth between teleprompters.

    think tweety's leg is tingling again? (none / 0) (#129)
    by badu on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:20 PM EST


    Tweety still has the incontinence problem? (none / 0) (#143)
    by SueBonnetSue on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:47 PM EST
    olbermann said a tingle went up his spine.. (none / 0) (#161)
    by rjarnold on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:41:58 PM EST
    This sermon better end soon or (none / 0) (#131)
    by SueBonnetSue on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:41 PM EST
    Half of his audience is going to wake up with a stiff neck from staring at the ceiling.  

    My immature response to Obama's speech (none / 0) (#191)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:49:44 PM EST
    I flick it off my shoulder like it's a piece of dirt.

    Now what kind of immature idiotic flaming moron does something like that, anyway????


    I for one... (none / 0) (#195)
    by Tony on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:51:58 PM EST
    thought it was an amazing speech.

    We have had a great campaign, with two great candidates, and I am ready to mop the floor with John McCain.

    Democrats and Republicans trade places (none / 0) (#211)
    by BostonIndependent on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:25:57 PM EST
    There's content and then there's stage management and theatrics. To me, Obama's speech felt like Reagan's (remember Peggy Noonan) in the 80's w/ the crowd and and the staged energy -- and McCain was.. umm.. ho-hum -- like Dukakis's recitals of policy details w/out the conviction!

    Granted it takes a candidate with delivery skills, -- but we all know that Obama gives good speeches.  Coupled with his campaign's mastery of Republican image management tactics -- he always does well.

    Unfortunately for him, I was unmoved. First, it is getting really silly to see these candidates grasp after the "change" monkey -- reminds me of the battles I used to have with my siblings over our toys. Mine.. Mine.. Mine.. Not yours! Give it back. I hope we are not going to have four more months of him and McCain arguing over who's for more change, and better change etc. Sigh.

    While there were strong flourishes rhetorically, Obama always reaches a bit too far for my taste (Peggy would have toned down the negatives). We will only begin taking care of our sick after today? We will only begin getting jobs for the jobless after this moment? Really? Oceans will begin to slow and the planet will begin to heal when he becomes President? Wow.. Senator -- no wonder you and your supporters believe you are The One. The Matrix awaits you!

    All in all, I felt good for the Democrats -- but not for myself. Note to self -- Will have to ponder more seriously what to do in November.


    not voting in Nov (none / 0) (#212)
    by sociallybanned on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:42:30 PM EST
    I will not vote for Obama in November.  He isn't qualified and I cringe to think I would cast my vote for McCain.  Run Independent Hillary!  You have the backing.