Also discussion about Clinton as a negative along with Bill, rather than the IMMENSE asset she would be.

"We all talk about the Clintons," Matthews said at the conclusion of a diatribe about the national obsession with Bill and Hillary. "I have never been at a party where it doesn't become a topic. Who are we gonna talk about? Bob Dole? John Kerry? Al Gore?"

Daily, they have exceeded what I thought were the outer reaches of contempt for women.

Under Boss Roolz, a woman who's ten times qualified and has a record that far outstrips an unaccomplished empty suit like Obama isn't even being relegated to cargo class but brought to the center square to be vilified, insulted, demeaned and even stripped of her accomplishments.

Oh yeah, and asked to clean up after the Party.

Thanks a Brazilian -- Dems can ride to glory on their own steaming stack of BS.

They should be grateful that I'm strong-willed because it's the only thing keeping a diehard Proud Liberal like me from actively supporting McCain (in the hope it clears the fetid jackass stables that is today's House of Dem.)

They will come to reality .. sooner or later..

really, you should know by now, everything is the fault of the clintons, from forcing adam & eve to eat the apple, all the way up to making pres. bush say something stupid in public now. it's. all. their. fault.

It just occurred to me.

When Senator Obama finally extends his hand, perhaps it will be like a musical some of us old tired white folk may have heard tell of:

And what about the Party?  Ah, that's where Hillary can be brilliant.

Most people by that time will understand what we all here on TL already know:  this Nomination wasn't the Will of the People, but a select few at the DNC.  Furthermore, by most logical accounts and EV maps, the Nominee is almost a certain loser.  A President McCain, for many people, won't be such a bad idea after taking a long, hard look at what the Democrats are offering.

So, Hillary focuses on getting out there and campaigning for Downticket Dems State-by-State.  The crowds she'd get, the money she'd raise, the sense of love and fidelity she'd earn ... her efforts to support the Party (a promise she's made time and again regardless of who the Nominee is) may do a lot to save the Dems from a total blow-out this year.  We won't get the White House, but we'll protect our House and Senate numbers.

Because of this, she becomes a very popular Dem figure and, post-November Election as we march toward a McCain Inauguration with the Media doing their usual "how idiotic is the Democratic Party" post-mortem and finally offers the facts and figures we're all familiar with here.  

And people around the Country will be absolutely livid that, much like Gore in 2000, the BEST candidate was essentially robbed of the Nomination (or Presidency, in Gore's case) due to the actions of those who wield power.

In other words, Hillary becomes the Gore of 2012 and, unlike Gore, is more than willing to get into the next fight.

You may be proud of your party, but I don't even know my party anymore.  Yes, Democrats are the party of Roosevelt and Kennedy but they're also the party of Clinton - or they were until recently.  

best possible outcome would be for the democratic party to come to its senses and avoid yet another repeat of 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000 and 2004 and put someone who actually can connect with working americans as the presidential nominee instead of the re-warmed stevensonian and thuggish chicago pol barack obama.

failing that, let the democrats yet again go down in flames and run in 2012. a mccain presidency would be better than bush and no worse than the damage that obama would do to the country (under the stealthy guise of being a "progressive.")

One of our most important rules is to post on topic to the post.

Your comment was not on topic. But I felt it was sincere so I will make the exception to the usual rule - which is deletion.

Every five minutes, we are reminded how far away Obama is from the nomination number.

Earlier, much to my amazement, Wolf Blitzer actually interupted a panel session to announce the BREAKING NEWS: he got ONE more superdelegate endorsement.

I tend to think this is counterproductive ... a slow insertion of the spear ... inch by inch ... into the hearts of Clinton supporters and the Clinton campaign.