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Tuesday Afternoon Open Thread: Running on Empty

Hillary may be running on empty, but as of now, she's still running.

I predict she will win South Dakota and come within 6 points in Montana.

This is another open thread.

Take the poll below on when the nomination will be decided:

< Breaking: Obama is Not the Official Nominee | Rumor of the Aftenoon: Hillary Says She's Open to VP Slot >

Poll

When Will Barack Obama Become the Nominee
Tonight, Because He Will Say So 7%
Tonight, Because Hillary Will Say So 10%
Wednesday, Because Hillary Will Say So 5%
Thursday, Because Hillary Will Say So 6%
Not Until August in Denver 22%
Never, Hillary Will Be the Nominee 40%
Other 7%

Votes: 107
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    Question? (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:27:09 PM EST
    Tonight would you go to a major event for a group that you are a big supporter,  or stay home and watch the end?  I am torn.  

    go out (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:28:50 PM EST
    If nothing else, you can get a drink and be with like-minded folks.

    Unless you'd rather stay in.

    Parent

    go to the major event. (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by jerry on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:29:16 PM EST
    If you sit home and watch tv, the terrorists (and american corporations) will have won.

    (real life > tv simulacrum)

    (real life > many networking events > tv simulacrum > many other networking events)


    Parent

    Go out :) (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:37:02 PM EST
    I'm planning distractions for the next few days ;)

    Go and enjoy yourself.

    Parent

    Go out (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:39:10 PM EST
    The networks will just have you throwing things at your tv. I just invited the TL kid over for dinner so I get a respite.

    Parent
    I'd like to offer to take one of you women out to (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by digdugboy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:41:11 PM EST
    help distract you from the results.

    Parent
    Wanna see "Menopause: The Musical"? (none / 0) (#102)
    by Cream City on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:06:51 PM EST
    That's where a friend and I are heading tomorrow night, as we already had planned to end the primary season.  But heck, we could move it up a night, if you want to come along and sit in audience of hundreds of bitter, clinging, gun-toting and Godfearing women, as we're in the Midwest.

    Oh, and we're drinking first.  We'll be lots of fun after a few pitchers.


    Parent

    Thank you for that exciting offer (none / 0) (#113)
    by digdugboy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:18:29 PM EST
    but I'm in Seattle and am waiting anxiously for that musical to arrive here.

    Hell, I live about three blocks from McJoan, I noticed years ago on one of those map your locale websites. I'm guessing she's a Hillary supporter, because she's been utterly silent about the nomination process on DKos.

    Armando, if you get out to Seattle, drop me a line and maybe I'll let you kick my ass. Or maybe not :)

    Parent

    I'm watching baseball (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:51:18 PM EST
    The Yankees' "phenom" kid pitcher Joba Chamberlain is making his first start tonight.  He's been in the bullpen until now, but a year ago hadn't even thrown a pitch as a pro.

    This kid throws one of the filthiest sliders I've ever seen, and a fastball that has gone over 100 mph.

    I saw him pitch last summer, and he made three of the best hitters in the game look silly - struck them all out on 11 pitches.

    Beats the heck out of watching Tweety mess his pants with misogynistic ecstasy over HRC losing.

    Parent

    OH!! Thanks for the reminder!!! (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:55:43 PM EST
    I'm addicted to Joba. So fun to watch. He was my second pick for fantasy BB this year. I was hoping they would go long with him :)

    Parent
    Not only is he pretty darn good so far, (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:58:05 PM EST
    but he's a lot of fun to watch.  He reminds everyone that he's totally having fun.

    And, looking at him on the mound, it's clear he's got neither fear nor deference to the hitter regardless of who it is.

    Parent

    Going against Roy Halladay? (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Melchizedek on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:57:27 PM EST
    Don't bet on youth over a proven track record and experience. :)

    Parent
    It'll be fun to watch (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:00:34 PM EST
    regardless.  Halliday is one of the better pitchers going.

    And, FWIW, Pedro Martinez makes his first start in a long time (Mets at SF, late) - on the 12th anniversary of throwing 9 perfect innings for Montreal at San Diego, only to have his perfecto broken up by the first batter in the bottom of the 10th, who hit a double.  MTL won, 1-0.

    Parent

    back to back baseball tonight (none / 0) (#108)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:13:11 PM EST
    YES!! that's the ticket. Mets/SF is always interesting for me since I was a Giants girl back in the day. I still have my old "Giant Attitude" t-shirt :) I'll have to change shirts tonight, hehe.

    Parent
    Boooo (none / 0) (#101)
    by CST on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:05:42 PM EST
    I'm sorry, I really couldn't help myself... :)

    Go Celtics.  Beat L.A.

    Go Sox.  Yankees suck.


    Parent

    typical Boston fan.... (none / 0) (#105)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:09:26 PM EST
    we'll see how far your Sawx go without Papi.

    Parent
    I'll be the first to admit it (none / 0) (#110)
    by CST on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:16:38 PM EST
    I am a typical Boston fan.  With a soft spot for Pittsburgh teams.

    Not only is losing Papi terrible for the sox, i also have him on my fantasy team (yes I am that big a nerd) so it's a double whammie.

    Parent

    I'm a big fan of the Pens and Steelers (none / 0) (#117)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:36:23 PM EST
    and just could not believe the Pens pulled it out last night.

    "Valiant" was the word that kept coming back to mind as I watched.  Detroit outshot them 60-35 or something like that and the Pens still won.  Triple overtime and facing elimination....

    Though Sykora telling the reporter (with the best seat in the house - between the teams' benches on the boards) that he was going to score the game winner and then going out and doing it might well be even bigger than that.

    Parent

    What a game (none / 0) (#119)
    by CST on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:43:18 PM EST
    Frankly, Pittsburgh had no right to be in it that long except for their goalie.  Very happy for them though.

    I am a boston fan through and through, but I lived in Pittsburgh for 4 years, so I definitely have respect for the Steelers - which gets me into trouble sometimes with my unwavering friends.

    Parent

    You probably like this group (none / 0) (#89)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:57:40 PM EST
    CCR they come out here for their donors once a year, I really like them.  

    Parent
    Go! (none / 0) (#63)
    by Valhalla on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:43:27 PM EST
    The results, good or bad, will be waiting for you when you get home.  Enjoy yourself!

    Parent
    the media push today infuriates me more (5.00 / 6) (#8)
    by NJDem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:27:36 PM EST
    when I think of all the people who donated their time and money to help get out the vote in SD and MT.  I really hope it doesn't have too much of an effect.  

    I'm thoroughly disgusted--this is NOT what democracy looks like!

    AP has lost whatever (5.00 / 4) (#69)
    by Brookhaven on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:46:19 PM EST
    credibility they had left today.

    There is a feeding frenzy going on and some of the blogs are going crazy over all of these conflicting stories.

    I just want to concentrate on the SD and Montana results because HRC is doing very well in those last races.  And, it's all being consumed by these nonsense reports.  And, AP is the major culprit, the one most of the MSM lemmings are quoting.  Jeebus.

    I don't think I have hated the MSM more than I do right now.  Let the people vote damnit!

    That's all HRC has said all along as these punks have tried to force her out.  Enough is enough.

    Parent

    so has BBC world service (none / 0) (#114)
    by laurie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:26:17 PM EST
    just came out saying Hillary's campaign had denied allegations that she was to concede, then came on with an  aged Democratic campaign expert (male), saying that maths was maths, she should have withdrawn in February, will withdraw tomorrow, and must unite the Party or otherwise it would be so sad to see her lose her prestige. People are initially sore but it would all wear off within the month....
    This in the middle of an election. THEY ARE TRYING TO DEPRESS VOTER TURNOUT.

     

    Parent

    Some supers may never endorse (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by catfish on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:28:23 PM EST
    I wrote a diary about it at MyDD and quoted Jeralyn.
    (Question to Talkleft - is pointing out a MyDD diary against your site rules? If so I apologize. Also, thank you for maintaining high standards in your comments.)

    White women take the gloves off! (5.00 / 5) (#19)
    by Josey on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:30:38 PM EST
    Rasmussen - 6/3

    http://tinyurl.com/5fmnpa


    Heh, you beat me to it (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by otherlisa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:49:08 PM EST
    Quite an article.

    Parent
    I read that article yesterday (none / 0) (#107)
    by Grace on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:11:47 PM EST
    and I think it's pretty accurate.  There is a lot of anger amongst women and I don't think the DNC people ever thought that would happen.  They must think we are all floor mats and they can just walk all over us and we won't complain.  

    But the problem is, there is just too darn many of us who have stood up for women's rights for decades and to see our first really qualified female candidate get treated like she has been - well, it's just too much.  It brings back all the memories of mistreatment over the years, mostly stuff that no one ever talks about since we've supposedly "moved on."  

    Parent

    I would have agreed... (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by lucky leftie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:30:57 PM EST
    ...until the flood of confusing,contradictory news reports began today.  I hope it doesn't have the effect of suppressing votes.  

    I'm waiting to hear from Al Gore (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by andgarden on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:32:54 PM EST


    I forgot about him! (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by bjorn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:34:15 PM EST
    He will probably wait until Hillary Concedes and then announce.  He has some class, imo.

    Parent
    He's right on the side of the page! (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by andgarden on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:35:39 PM EST
    yep, there he is, smiling at me (5.00 / 5) (#35)
    by bjorn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:36:49 PM EST
    I am glad he has stayed out of this...it was the right thing to do.

    Parent
    Not yet andgarden. He means to much to me (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Teresa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:35:52 PM EST
    for him to disappoint me now. I know he will fully endorse Obama just like he would have Hillary but I want him to wait until the timing is better.

    Parent
    How about (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:33:55 PM EST
    "...because the media says so"?

    Jon Ausman... (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by masslib on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:37:41 PM EST
    I heard he endorsed Hill.  Anyone hear?

    Heh! (5.00 / 4) (#46)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:39:14 PM EST
    LINK

    Democratic National Committeeman Jon Ausman said today Sen. Barack Obama has his party's nomination wrapped up but that he will cast his own half-vote for Sen. Hillary Clinton, in the hope that she will team up with Obama on a unity ticket and improve Democratic chances of carrying Florida.


    Parent
    lol!~ (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:41:37 PM EST
    and improve Democratic chances of carrying Florida.

    ouch.

    Parent

    Looks like (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by americanincanada on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:41:51 PM EST
    it was Ausman who told the AP that Hillary would consider the VP slot.

    According to Mr. Ausman, Mrs. Clinton said she'd "think about" accepting the vice-presidential spot on the Democratic ticket.


    Parent

    Charlie Rangel told CNN (none / 0) (#67)
    by bjorn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:45:13 PM EST
    the same thing

    Parent
    That's what I predicted earlier (none / 0) (#57)
    by andgarden on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:41:38 PM EST
    Oh this totally makes up for his (none / 0) (#95)
    by angie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:01:34 PM EST
    literally giving delegates to Obama when nobody voted for him in MI. I can just put the fascist debacle I witnessed at the DNC Saturday out of my pretty little head now. All is forgiven. /snark

    Parent
    I think the DNC RBC member superdelegates (none / 0) (#116)
    by sander60tx on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:33:23 PM EST
    (at least 8 of them) who voted for the MI resolution SHOULD endorse Clinton to make up for their idiotic vote on Saturday!

    Parent
    I respect Jon Ausman (none / 0) (#83)
    by jfung79 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:55:11 PM EST
    When my initial candidate Dennis Kucinich was still in the race, Jon Ausman was the only superdelegate to back him.  I like Ausman's action today and I think it says a lot about true commitment to party unity as opposed to the "get in line" attitude of most Obama supporters.

    Parent
    Me I'm waiting for the Brazile endorsement.. (5.00 / 6) (#44)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:39:05 PM EST
    ...I'm sure the heavens will open and a chorus of angels will sing when that happens. Plus we will all be so surprised.

    Actually I expect a Brazile (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by LoisInCo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:44:32 PM EST
    endorsement to sound more like this:

    " As you know Senator Obama is now the nominee, and in the interest of party unity I have decided to endorse Senator Clinton. For the Senate position in New York. No one has done more for entitled white women than have I and Senator Obama, and I hope this further cements our alliance with the media. "

    Parent

    LoisInCo (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Brookhaven on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:05:34 PM EST
    Heh.  That's pure gold I tells ya, pure gold.  

    Donna "I'm uncommitted in title only" Brazile, said yesterday on CNN she would vote for HRC in Denver for party unity.  Imagine that.  Coming from the one person who did so much this primary season to forster unity.  Let's take a stroll down recent memory lane shall we.  Between her gentle, non-confrontation appearances on CNN, to the sweet-nothings she whispered into the ears of those emailing her, to her down home and ghandi-like comments on Saturday at the Rules Committee Meeting, to her conciliatory words for HRC and her supporters now.

    I'm watering up with sentimental emotions and too verklempt to continue on here.  

    I need smelling salts.  Anyone have any to spare?

    Sickening.

    Parent

    The A-list blogs (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by dk on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:39:19 PM EST
    still don't get it.  Just looked on MyDD and they're talking about how the flood of SDs is ruining Clinton's chance for leverage.  They are in complete denial that she got just as many votes as Obama did.  

    This is not about Clinton having leverage.  It's about appealing to a constituency.  Painting this as "what will satisfy Hillary's ambitions" is just more CDS, IMHO.

    a list blogs? not anymore! wait till after the (none / 0) (#123)
    by hellothere on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:55:00 PM EST
    election to take a poll and then see who is left standing. many of these blogs are losing countless former supporters and newbys well we will have to wait and see if they stick. good luck with that!

    Parent
    Well, if Bill is out of touch (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:40:37 PM EST
    we need more out of touch people like him. Think of all the good it would do  ;)

    Diane Feinstein supports (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:43:24 PM EST
    unity ticket:

    "I think after the campaigns are wrapped up today, it is in fact a moment of truth," Feinstein told CNN. "I think a decision has to be made about whether keeping this nomination wide open is in the best interest of winning in November. I do not believe that it is, and I'm a very strong supporter of Hillary being placed on ticket as a vice presidential candidate."


    Unity Pony, DiFi sniff glue near glue factory (5.00 / 0) (#100)
    by Ellie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:05:36 PM EST
    Really, they can't even wait to be on the lot to get high on their impending demise.

    Parent
    a horse stall was noted near what is now (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by hellothere on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:57:34 PM EST
    the former unity stable. the unity pony was escourted out by what looked like a secret service detail to an undisclosed location due to reports of possible harm. the unity pony has nothing to say to the press and has disconnected phone service. we have hear from sources that there are new digs in central park. good luck to the pony formerly known as unity pony.

    Parent
    The news is ridiculous today (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by stillife on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:48:35 PM EST
    even more so than usual.  I'm at work, and every time I click on my Google News home page, another ridiculous story leaps out at me.

    Clinton concedes!
    Bill had an affair with Gina Gershon!
    Clinton didn't concede but the fact that her campaign had to deny it proves how beleaguered they are (i.e., losers)!

    The Clinton bashers are out in force today.

    They just can't admit (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by dskinner3 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:55:02 PM EST
    that Hillary is capable of being favored by actual voters now can they:

    I'm torn. On paper these are pretty good Obama states. However, as this nomination has been wrapped up, Obama supporters seem to be staying home while Clinton supporters appear to be coming out in greater numbers to embarrass Obama and try and save their favorite candidate (especially since the Clinton camp did a fantastic job of making their supporters believe that they still had a chance).

    Warning, the link is too the Great Orange place...

    Obama supporters staying at home? (none / 0) (#91)
    by angie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:58:15 PM EST
    well then maybe he shouldn't have been running off at the mouth at how he had this thing sewn up, huh? pfft. Whatever helps you sleep at night, kossacks. This is officially worse than Alice in Wonderland now.

    Parent
    In this hare and tortoise race... (none / 0) (#112)
    by OrangeFur on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:18:29 PM EST
    The hare went to sleep at the end of February, and the tortoise has now caught up and passed him in popular votes.

    Parent
    Italy Banning US Backed Reporter (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:00:05 PM EST
    Italian authorities have apparently decided it's better to preserve extensive trade ties with Iran and avoid offending Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad while he's on a visit to Rome, even if that means declaring "persona non grata" a US government-funded radio reporter who apparently offended the Iranian leader with his reports.

    MJ

    Gosh now Italy is becoming a police state.

    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:31:52 PM EST
    During Hu Jintao's last visit to the White House, we had a reporter arrested for offending him.  Free speech, that elusive concept.

    Parent
    I love Jackson Browne (none / 0) (#1)
    by bjorn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:24:53 PM EST
    Thanks Jeralyn.

    Ausman? (none / 0) (#2)
    by Emma on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:25:02 PM EST
    Has anybody heard that Jon Ausman was supposed to endorse somebody today.

    Who's that? (none / 0) (#4)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:25:37 PM EST
    never heard of him....

    Parent
    the dude from FL (none / 0) (#5)
    by bjorn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:27:06 PM EST
    who was the author of the Ausman challenge to the DNC.

    Parent
    he had a funny smile (none / 0) (#9)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:27:42 PM EST
    he's in the tank (none / 0) (#22)
    by Andy08 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:32:11 PM EST
    for Obama; so no need to pay attention to what that guy says.

    Parent
    Except they said he'd announce at 3 (none / 0) (#60)
    by Valhalla on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:42:00 PM EST
    and the lack of announcement at 3 (as far as I can tell) signals to me that once again, the Keystone Kops can't get their stuff together.

    Parent
    He announced for Hill. (none / 0) (#64)
    by masslib on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:43:46 PM EST
    Said BO had the nom locked up, but he would vote for Hill in hopes of a unity ticket to improve their chances in FL.

    Parent
    It is a (none / 0) (#120)
    by Andy08 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:49:10 PM EST
    political ploy/move to appease Clinton supporters. It doesn't fool me.

    I bet you that if Obama reaches the number even Donna Brazile
    might vote for HRC. They are soooo predictable.
    Ausman behaved horribly in the RBC with the HRC team bullying them all outside with the press.

    Parent

    I love Jackson Browne (none / 0) (#3)
    by bjorn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:25:04 PM EST
    Thanks Jeralyn.

    Supreme Court is not Roe (none / 0) (#7)
    by jerry on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:27:30 PM EST
    There's a lot of talk about "You can't scare me with Roe, I'm voting for McCain."

    Just wanted to say again, the Supreme Court is about far more than Roe.

    If you want me to vote for McCain, let's hear YOUR arguments about why we don't need to worry about the Supreme Court.

    (p.s. I'm not voting for McCain, but I still want to hear your reasoning. (which is wrong))

    I don't want you to vote for McCain (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by angie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:34:54 PM EST
    because I never presume to tell anyone else how they have to vote -- I can try to persuade them, true, but I can't tell them. I vote my conscience, and I suggest you vote yours. My conscience tells me there are more important things then whether you are a Republican or a Democrat -- such as counting all the votes, and not having a group of people (behind closed doors no less) reapportion voting results to give one candidate all of the uncommitted delegates as well as take 4 away from the other that she earned by people actually voting for her. Furthermore, my conscience tells me that the fact that I am a woman means that I am a person and should be respected as such. Those are the things I will take into account when I make my decision on who will get my vote in the fall.

    Parent
    Yes, Roe is important. (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by Valhalla on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:46:52 PM EST
    Thanks for pointing out that the SC is about more than just Roe.  I, for one, would never have known, as this was never brought up in law school.

    If the SC is so critical, and we agree it's important, then fight like hell to make the one candidate with a chance of beating McCain in November the Democrat's nominee.

    I mean it, fight like hell.  It's worth it.

    Parent

    Not in my school either (5.00 / 4) (#74)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:49:13 PM EST
    We spent an entire 15-week semester talking about nothing but Roe v. Wade.  No, wait, it was such an important decision that my school actually switched to the trimester system.

    Parent
    psst. (none / 0) (#84)
    by jerry on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:55:18 PM EST
    (psst, it's my understanding that this is not actually a blog for and about lawyers and only about lawyers and concerned with all things about lawyers.... I am glad to learn you studied other things about the Supreme Court in law school, I had been told you only studied billing maximization....)

    Parent
    Not voting for McCain (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:53:19 PM EST
    but it's up to the Senate Dems to hold the line on bad appointments. This is true no matter who is President. Judicial appointments are subject to the advise and consent rule.

    Parent
    That's worked real well in the past.... (none / 0) (#87)
    by jerry on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:57:02 PM EST
    And would you rather the confirmation committee have a prospective pool of good candidates to pick an excellent one from, or a deep prospective pool of bad candidates to choose from?

    Parent
    I've spent over 30 years (5.00 / 0) (#92)
    by Grace on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:59:18 PM EST
    worrying about the Supreme Court and voting for Democratic candidates for President.  Guess what?  It didn't matter.  

    Final analysis:  Vote for whoever you like.  The Supreme Court is going to be what it's going to be.  As voters, we don't have control over it.  

    Parent

    Go read this article (none / 0) (#24)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:32:38 PM EST
    Good reason to nominate (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:36:52 PM EST
    an electable Democrat -- Hillary.

    This is the same story I've been told since I could vote.

    Parent

    thanks scribe (none / 0) (#54)
    by jerry on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:40:47 PM EST
    as I said, I am pro-choice, and his article is a good reason why, ... my comment was for those saying that McCain et. al., would not overturn Roe, so it somehow doesn't matter.  My point being that there is a lot of other noxious stuff that I want the Supreme Court to protect us from.

    But yeah, that essay is scary stuff and must reading.

    Parent

    there it is (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:27:50 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton tells New York lawmakers she is open to being Barack Obama's running mate, The Associated Press reports.

    Mixed feelings (5.00 / 5) (#16)
    by Eleanor A on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:29:59 PM EST
    Not sure she can save him, might go down with him.

    OTOH, if anything can save Dem chances this year - this is the only hope.

    Parent

    Now the onus is officially on (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by frankly0 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:32:52 PM EST
    no one other than Barack Obama to offer her the VP slot.

    If he doesn't, we know it is his choice alone.

    I defy him to try to explain to Hillary supporters why he refuses to do so, if that is his choice.

    Let no one be blamed but Obama himself if he chooses someone other than Hillary and he loses the election because Hillary supporters won't come to him. It is the absolute minimum he must do.

    Parent

    Well I've been told by several Obama (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:36:52 PM EST
    ...supporters that Obama doesn't need to explain himself to us.

    Parent
    refusing even to explain himself (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by frankly0 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:38:15 PM EST
    would explain all we need to know about Obama.

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    Fair enough (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by cawaltz on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:40:46 PM EST
    and WE don't need to voe for him. Works for me.

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    it would seem (none / 0) (#43)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:38:37 PM EST
    that with half the vote going her way and half the vote going his way, it would only be logical. I think if the roles were reversed she would absolutely do it. As an Obama supporter and one who loves Hillary, I hope it happens.

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    They've been wrong twice in one day (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:33:36 PM EST
    I mean, they're approaching Bush-ite levels of falsity....

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    You're really quoting (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:37:34 PM EST
    the Associated Press after their earlier failures today?

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    I reiterate... (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by magisterludi on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:50:35 PM EST
    Dean Singleton, WR Hearst wannabe, has reduced the AP to the ranks of tabloid journalism. Double-ugh and pass the word.

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    ahem (none / 0) (#49)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:39:31 PM EST
    The senator's remarks came in response to a question from Democratic Rep. Nydia Velazquez who said she believed the best way for Obama to win over key voting blocs, including Hispanics, would be for him to choose Clinton as his running mate. "I am open to it," Clinton replied, if it would help the party's prospects in November

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    Well that just makes me sad.... (5.00 / 3) (#58)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:41:43 PM EST
    ....how much she cares about the party and how little they care about her. Well, the party honchos, anyway.

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    She can turn it down for the same reason (none / 0) (#104)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:09:16 PM EST
    unless there's evidence that she would make a significant difference on the ticket for the party, she can make a party based decision that has her turning it down.

    I would need to be guaranteed of her role as VP if he puts her on the ticket. Watching her play second to him and his lack of experience, the thought of it just makes me angry.

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    linky link? (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by NJDem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:39:37 PM EST
    sorry, just too much mis-information today.  Thanks.

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    Given the AP's track record errorfest (5.00 / 0) (#71)
    by Valhalla on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:47:32 PM EST
    Just in the past 24 hours, it's hard to believe anything they say.

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    nydia (none / 0) (#79)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:52:02 PM EST
    well for the first time in years, a reporter has quoted someone other than an anonymous source and nydia seems to be a real human being.

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    This one is for BTD, breaking on MSNBC (none / 0) (#11)
    by bjorn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:28:10 PM EST
    Clinton tells NY lawmakers she is open to VP position.

    MSNBC? I need a second source. (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by catfish on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:30:28 PM EST
    Their sources are probably Axeldod and Plouffe.

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    So am I (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:36:36 PM EST
    Does that mean I can be the VP?

    I got an urge to do a lot of housecleaning in the gov't....

    And, IIRC, I predicted (months ago) that an Obama Clinton  ticket would likely be the best combination.

    He's perceived as having the vision.
    She's (a) got the experience and ruthless determination to clean out the mess to be left behind and (b) more anathema to the Repugs than Cheney is to the Dems.

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    What will Pelosi say? (5.00 / 0) (#81)
    by catfish on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:53:48 PM EST
    She's been against the idea since late February.

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    Well, he had better ask her now. (none / 0) (#15)
    by masslib on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:29:46 PM EST
    Or, he can forget about winning over her voters ever.

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    I suggest he waits (5.00 / 0) (#20)
    by CST on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:30:55 PM EST
    Until at least tonight or tommorow :)

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    Ifhe's planning on breaking out the ol' (none / 0) (#61)
    by cawaltz on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:42:12 PM EST
    I'm "the nominee." He better start hinting that he is open to Clinton as VP.

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    On Fox too (none / 0) (#106)
    by waldenpond on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:11:02 PM EST
    I had just posted on this but it disappeared.  The report is that her comments (2) have been in response to questions.  One was on a conference all with colleagues (NY) and was asked if she would consider the VP if it would help the Dems take the WH (Latino vote).  She answered yes.

    The first question she would have to answer to even be considered for VP is would she release the Library records.  If she says no, she can't be considered because Obama made it a critical issue.

    One talking head was negative but he only had one small clip.  Most of the discussion was positive.... It was an obvious question, she answered truthfully in a way that surprised no one, of course she could help the ticket, of course she would help in any way needed, she is giving voice to 17 million people.

    The discussion also surrounded financing and that it allows the 'dance' between to continue.

    I will wait for Clinton and Obama to meet and see what she decides... will it be Denver?  will it be VP?  will it be Senate?...  I am actually enjoying the conversations and looking forward to what Clinton decides.

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    The library is the deal-breaker. (none / 0) (#127)
    by Joan in VA on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 04:19:37 PM EST
    It's a way to get credit for asking her without worrying that he's stuck with her. Either she says no way or he finds donors he doesn't like.  Just more of his petty ways. Don't scrutinize me  but I get to paw through your stuff.

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    Are we hearing anything about SD? (none / 0) (#18)
    by masslib on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:30:36 PM EST
    If she wins, the VP spot is hers.

    Turn out strong in both SD & MT (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by angie on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:39:17 PM EST
    according to the NY Times (and we know how reliable they've been this election). Haven't heard anything else.

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    McCain (none / 0) (#23)
    by KittyS on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:32:17 PM EST
    is a pathetic vulture.  He must think we're idiots.

    Jeryalyn, if your predictions are right (none / 0) (#41)
    by mogal on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:38:01 PM EST
    Hillary wins SD and comes within 6 in Mt. will it make any difference?  It should I know, but will it?  Your thoughts, please?

    No it won't make a difference (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:40:12 PM EST
    is my opinion.

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    But it should (none / 0) (#98)
    by bridget on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:04:45 PM EST
    for Hillary to win another election at the very end of the primary should give the SDs food for some serious thought

    I think they are in serious denial about November.

    btw. until yesterday I didn't even think Hillary had a chance today and on Sunday when discussing Hillary's win in Puerto Rico a CNN analyst wondered how depressing a Tuesday loss will be for Hillary (something in that manner) and s/he asked McAuliffe about it and he was quite taken aback by that.

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    Ben Smith on Hillary as VP (none / 0) (#65)
    by americanincanada on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:44:00 PM EST
    Clinton, pushed as VP, doesn't push back

    In a call with the New York congressional delegation that just ended, Hillary Clinton heard calls that she become Barack Obama's running mate -- and notably didn't tamp those voices down, two people familiar with the call's contents said.

    It makes sense. If she pushed back (5.00 / 0) (#75)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:49:29 PM EST
    she would been seen as divisive, scorched earth, etc . . . .

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    Ok, new topic - same-sex marriages in Greece (none / 0) (#68)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:45:46 PM EST
    The first same-sex marriages in Greece were performed the other day on some remote Aegean island.  One pair of men and one of women.  There's the usual spectrum of opinion and argument.

    Just something I noted in surfing around the net.

    Hmm (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Steve M on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:51:22 PM EST
    A remote Aegean island?  Seems like an appropriate location for women to marry each other, at least.

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    There's plenty of room for snark (none / 0) (#96)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:03:24 PM EST
    with this post - which is why I singled it out, from the whole of the NYT....

    We all need some humor....

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    TL/Jeralyn mention msnbc dot com (none / 0) (#86)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:56:39 PM EST
    SD endorsements (none / 0) (#103)
    by Leisa on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:08:31 PM EST
    I am so frustrated by this process, when you look at this and then another idea about the money behind SD contributions it really makes the whole process of choosing a nominee seem corrupt IMO.

    Somehow, I have not been able to find the link that was on Open Secrets Capitol Eye with a report that listed how much each campaign's PAC had donated to the SD's...  I had bookmarked it and it was a working link until recently.

    Primary day... (none / 0) (#109)
    by OrangeFur on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:16:17 PM EST
    It's primary day in California, and turnout is miniscule. My congresscritter is supporting Obama, so I wrote in Hillary Clinton in that primary.

    The Washington Post (none / 0) (#111)
    by melro on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:16:43 PM EST
    presented an interesting viewpoint on what might happen in Montana.
     http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/03/montana_a_june_battleground.html.

    Hillary stands a chance there.

    Normally I don't do things like this, (none / 0) (#122)
    by Emma on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:51:00 PM EST
    but if you want Hillary to stay in the race till .. well, I don't know when, maybe Denver?  You can donate $5 to the link below for the following reasons:

    I NEED YOU TO RELAY THIS INFO TO YOUR GROUP!!

    The goal of this movement is to show Senator Clinton we are still for her ALL THE WAY. The campaign keeps track of donations by the numbers and the dollar amounts. I ask that each person donate $5 to the campaign using the link below ASAP. The campaign is now aware of this movement. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT SHE SEE TONS OF AMERICANS WANT HER TO STAY IN THIS RACE. THIS WILL BE THE MAIN DECIDING FACTOR AS TO WHETHER SHE STAYS IN. THE LINK BELOW HAS A 4 IN IT SO THE CAMPAIGN CAN TRACK THE $$$$ AS BEING FROM THIS MOVEMENT.

    you MAY have to retype the link into search engine

    Link

    PLEASE Forward to all you know

    Thanks
    Amy Dugan
    ALL THE WAY
    ALL THE WAY
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    So, I dunno.  It's up to you.  And this may be against site rules, so delete if so.

    Fox News says (none / 0) (#125)
    by kayla on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 04:02:09 PM EST
    Obama has clinched the nomination.

    Some sad news coming (none / 0) (#126)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 04:04:20 PM EST
    The day after Bush bestowed the Medal of Honor on the family of a kid from out of the depths of Penn's Woods, who'd thrown himself on a grenade to save his buddies and died for it, comes word that the youngest man ever to win the CMH is likely on his deathbed.

    Eighty-year-old Jack Lucas, who lied his way into the Marines at age 14, was nearly killed when he used his body to shield his fellow Marines from grenades on Iwo Jima in February 1945. He was just a few days past his 17th birthday at the time.

    He received the Medal later that year.

    Yesterday's honoree, Pfc. Ross McGinnis of Knox, Pennsylvania, was 19 years old when he gave his life to save the lives of his colleagues.

    Read the article, and it'll rip your heart apart.  As well it should:

    "Ross was a hero, I mean, he was honestly the type of soldier that was trustworthy, that was reliable, that was dependable before combat. He loved doing what he was doing," said Ian Newland, one of the soldiers McGinnis saved.

    * * *
    Newland, 28, who was a sergeant when McGinnis was assigned to him in Germany. "He was a natural."

    The two became close before deploying to Iraq. McGinnis often spent weekends with Newland, his wife, daughter and son, becoming part of the family.

    "That's the way my family viewed him and the other soldiers as well. We all saw him as a brother," said Newland, who retired in November because of his shrapnel injuries from the grenade attack.

    "My daughter still, every night when she says her prayers, thanks Ross for saving her daddy's life," he said.


    We've had enough of this senseless loss, conceived in lies, undertaken for no good purpose and continued by default.

    From his hometown area paper.

    From the Army's official web site.

    The citation.

    May he rest in peace.