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Obama Blog: Let's Unify

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:04:53 PM EST
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NOTE: My original title to this post was "Obama blog "Let's Unify, You Lying Idiots!" It was deemed inappropriate for this blog and thus was edited to the current title.

It took some chutzpah for this blogger to write this post:

We have to reunite our party in time to successfully take on John McCain. [...] Hillary and her team have successfully changed the national mood, of Hillary's supporters, at least, from one of disappointment that their candidate lost, to one of outright anger . . . Yeah, there's been some sexism by irrelevant third parties, but I just don't [care] . . .

(Emphasis supplied.) Ok, I pulled an Aravosis there, he did not say "care." But then again, the blogger has never been married to the truth when it comes to Hillary. He is still at it today, falsely calling Hillary a liar. But oh btw, we have to unify. That blogger is just shameless and disrespectful of the truth. He is calling for unity? Please spare us your "calls for unity." Some of us hear enough insults as it is.

Speaking for me only

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    Obama Blog: Let's Unify | 282 comments (282 topical)
    Given the events and results of Sat. (5.00 / 8) (#1)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:07:46 PM EST
    and Brazille's later comments Clinton refused the olive branch, why even post about unity?  There won't be any.  

    I got a request last night to concede and go unity (5.00 / 16) (#57)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:27:11 PM EST
    now. Here's how I replied. I was more polite than I might otherwise be because the sender of the request, whom I don't know, was from Colorado. It also inaccurately characterized TalkLeft as writing hate posts about Obama.

    As for me, I have never written a hateful word about Obama. I am advocating for my choice of nominee. I have said many, many times TalkLeft and  I will support the nominee.

    We don't have a nominee.  Obama supporters ought to refrain from making these unity pitches suggestions until we do.

    There's plenty of time between the end of the first week in June and the election. Another four days is not going to make a difference in November.

    Until we have a nominee, I will try to convince the superdelegates that Hillary is a better candidate with a better chance of winning in November. It has nothing to do with disparaging Obama. He might win in November, she would win.

    The commenters speak for themselves. I have no control over them if they comply with the site rules and they do not represent the views of me or TalkLeft.

    Thanks, but I find your email insulting due to its prematurity. Jeralyn



    [ Parent ]
    You are a study in calm rationality (5.00 / 11) (#86)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:33:55 PM EST
    You really are. And furthermore, you are one of the few who can honestly claim that all you have done is advocate positively for your candidate and not torn another one down. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with that.

    [ Parent ]
    It's kinda important to hear it all out (5.00 / 5) (#88)
    by Salo on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:34:43 PM EST
    One thing that I found is that the blogs were disparaged for inflating the support that Obama and Edwards had among the electorate by the early Clinton suporters in Dkos.

    On Kos it was a 40-40-10 split with Edwards, Obama and Clinton respectively.  Dkos was predictive of the move toward Obama later on.   As it turns out that did represent about half the opinion of the actual party.

    Now we know that the Clinton supporters are a big loyal group too, and that many of them are willing to take the experience argument seriously enough, to just switch to McCain by default on that issue.

    You are doing the DNC a favour by pointing out that Clinton has loyalists who take their reasons for voting quite seriously and that her set of values are intrinsically valuable to her following. Some of her voters are ideological leftwingers, some are ideologically moderate and some are interested in a good resume.

    The party can ignore that if they wish. No skin off my nose.

    [ Parent ]

    And then there were US... (5.00 / 2) (#213)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:18:06 PM EST
    the few, the proud, the NFC voters.

    We had no clue. And we were happy that way :)

    [ Parent ]

    Way to go! (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by bjorn on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:37:00 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by daring grace on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:38:01 PM EST
    Speaking as an Obama supporter, until Clinton is no longer vying for the nomination, there is nothing to talk about in terms of the potential for sharing a ticket or 'unifying'.

    If this extends past June or if Clinton decides to take this to the convention, I'll feel differently, but right now I think it's premature and insulting to her and her supporters.

    [ Parent ]

    Obama is not the nominee UNTILL the (5.00 / 5) (#189)
    by TeresaInPa on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:09:06 PM EST
    convention.  She should take it all the way, hell yes.  This is a nomination for the highest office in the land and if taking it to the convention can spare us another rookie president(and a spoiled sexist self entitled one at that) then she should do everything she can.

    [ Parent ]
    I see your point (1.00 / 1) (#219)
    by PaulDem on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:20:27 PM EST
    but if Clinton does take it all the way to the convention and somehow gets the nomination, then do you think there will be enough time to get Obama supporters to get over their anger and resentment and get the party unified?

    [ Parent ]
    That is why I support a Clinton/Obama ticket (5.00 / 1) (#276)
    by cymro on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:59:13 PM EST
    Although the polls suggest that Clinton can easily defeat McCain on her own, while Obama is very risky. See electoral-vote.com:

    Clinton 327     McCain 194     Ties 17
    Obama 276     McCain 238     Ties 24

    [ Parent ]

    Obama supporters are not swing voters (5.00 / 1) (#323)
    by TeresaInPa on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 06:24:01 PM EST
    many Clinton voters are.  Add the swing voters to the angry, paying enough attention to understand how dirty Obama has run and Obama loses in November.

    [ Parent ]
    Your Point Is Well Taken (3.00 / 1) (#288)
    by daring grace on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:23:51 PM EST
    A fight at the convention--no matter who would ultimately emerge victorious is going to seriously hobble the Democratic nominee.

    Whatever outrage and division we're seeing now will be nothing compared with letting all of this simmer for another three months and then go all sharp knees and elbows in August.

    Not to mention the image of a party in chaos and unable to launch any effective effort against the Republicans until September.

    Clinton is entitled to do that. But unless she starts developing a tide of SDs this week and next, I don't know where her justification will come from in terms of win-ability.

    [ Parent ]

    The justification will be evident in the polls (none / 0) (#294)
    by cymro on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:37:45 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Don't worry about this Obama supporter.... (none / 0) (#263)
    by cardcarryingmember on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:47:48 PM EST
    ... because unlike a lot of Clinton "Democrats" (????!!!) I will vote for whoever the nominee of the Democratic party is. I've said that from the beginning and I'm sayin' it now, even if Clinton takes it to the convention and blasts the rest of the party apart in the process. I've sat in disgusted awe over the last few weeks reading the diatribes of so-called Democrats actually having the unmitigated gall to say that they will vote for John McCain over Barack Obama. I wish they would spare me their self-righteousness and their appalling plan to simply throw away their vote as if suffrage grew on trees. I don't know what those folks are, but they are not Democrats as I ever knew them, nor should they be regarded as particularly good citizens of our republic.

    [ Parent ]
    Those "so-called Democrats" ... (5.00 / 3) (#292)
    by cymro on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:36:26 PM EST
    ... have been voting for Democratic candidates for years. What gives you the right to question their integrity? Why are you so disgusted when people are being honest about their opinions and their candidate preferences? They are not just trying to annoy you, you know. They are speaking the truth about what the believe. I think that, as an Obama supporter, you ought to listen carefully.

    If you believe that the Obama campaign should establish some kind of "party purity" standards and dismiss every voter who will not sign up, I don't think you understand much about the US electorate or the history of the Democratic party. How do you think Carter and Clinton were able to win?

    History shows that Democrats can win with candidates that appeal to the broad demographic mix that elected Carter and Clinton, or they can lose by appealing to the narrower demographic mix that could not elect Humphrey, McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry.

    Take your pick.

    The fact is that Hillary Clinton can win this year, because she appeals to independents, moderates, and Republican women, whereas Obama loses large numbers of those same Clinton supporters to McCain. That's not because these voters are "racist" or for any other dishonorable reason. It's because McCain is a candidate whose personality and positions they can relate to, and who is just a lot more experienced and believable than Obama. And by not actively disowning supporters who express opinions like yours, Obama is cementing their opinion of him as a candidate, and their preference for McCain.

    That is why Obama will suffer the same fate as McGovern in November. You and other Obama supporters -- and even Obama himself, from all appearances -- may prefer your notions of ideological purity, but Clinton supporters would prefer to win the GE.

    [ Parent ]

    I am not arguing for "purity".. (none / 0) (#302)
    by cardcarryingmember on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:49:37 PM EST
    whatever that is. All I am saying is that given the choice between John McCain, a conservative Republican (can we not agree that that is indeed what he is?) and ANY DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE....

    I will vote for the Democrat.

    I'm not saying this as an Obama supporter, I'm saying this as someone who has never, in 20 years of presidential elections, voted for a Republican, and I'm certainly not about to start now. I'll say it again without apology: any Democrat worthy of the name, whether they were an Obama supporter or a Clinton supporter, should be voting for the Democrat, or else WHY WERE YOU SUPPORTING EITHER ONE OF THEM????? And you can bet your Daddy's overalls I'll be yelling this from the rooftops to the Obama crowd if Clinton takes the nuclear option and goes to the convention with it!

    [ Parent ]

    Your mistake is believing that everyone else (5.00 / 1) (#321)
    by cymro on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 06:12:31 PM EST
    ... thinks like you do, and if they don't they must need to be corrected. But in democratic countries, and especially in the US, political parties do not work that way.

    Your question "WHY WERE YOU SUPPORTING EITHER ONE OF THEM?????" is naive, because the answer is obvious. People support Clinton because they believe she is the best Democratic candidate. For some voters, if Edwards were still in the race, he might be the first choice, for many others, the second choice after Hillary. In the minds of these voters, Obama -- a relative unknown when this process started -- failed to establish his credentials; in fact, the more people got to know him the less they supported his candidacy. He demonstrated that he was not ready for the job. So if Obama is nominated, McCain ends up being seen as the lesser of two evils, because he is less of a risk.

    These are simple and obvious facts; you cannot make them go away no matter how loudly you may yell from however many rooftops. All your yelling does is demonstrate that you are not willing to accept political realities. Success in politics demands understanding and compromise, not rejection and lecturing.

    [ Parent ]

    More from the unity pony? (none / 0) (#283)
    by hookfan on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:13:15 PM EST
    So now you are willing to cancel our citizenship if we don't vote the way you want? And this is Democracy you support? Why not just usher in a dictatorship then everyone will be forced to vote like you demand? Yep. Just.Like. Bush. My way or the highway.

    [ Parent ]
    You don't need me to do that (none / 0) (#296)
    by cardcarryingmember on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:40:08 PM EST
    You are are canceling your own citizenship all by yourself by throwing your progressive (?) vote away on a self-described conservative Republican who has indicated quite clearly that he will continue to stuff the SCOTUS with conservative justices and has no intention of changing the Bush "my way or the highway" method of "diplomacy." You can vote for whoever you like, but please do not ever refer yourself to yourself as a Democrat again if you actually believe McCain will be better for this nation than ANY Democratic candidate, including Barack Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    Fox just reported that Hillary's (5.00 / 6) (#152)
    by zfran on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:54:50 PM EST
    campaign will not end after tomorrow because she does not recognize the magic number to clinch the nomination. She wants Fl/Mi recognized and counted and she's in all the way to the convention!!! Just heard it!

    [ Parent ]
    Really? So she is sticking with (5.00 / 3) (#161)
    by madamab on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:57:41 PM EST
    2209?

    Full seating?

    That would be great news!

    [ Parent ]

    Brava Hillary (5.00 / 1) (#201)
    by TeresaInPa on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:13:51 PM EST
    all the dying dianas are going to have to face that you can not force unity on people.  All they had to do was follow their own vaulted "RoOLz".  

    [ Parent ]
    I love the Clintons (5.00 / 1) (#247)
    by Grace on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:35:50 PM EST
    It always seems like they are the only ones brave enough to "fight for the little people" (little like us) in Washington.  

    Do they know how to buck the system?  

    Yes, yes they do!!  

    I love it!

    [ Parent ]

    and seconds later... (5.00 / 1) (#259)
    by karen for Clinton on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:42:39 PM EST
    the hysterical non-stop shouting to drop out now!

    [ Parent ]
    An example of your skew to fairness and class (5.00 / 2) (#167)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:00:17 PM EST
    Earlier I responded somewhat snidely to a clutterbuck (deflection troll demanding answers for unrelated issues, and a defence of your previous stands) who was attempting to derail the discussion statistics you'd posted with baity errata.

    I suggested in my usual un-sarcastic yet delightfully astringent way to check on previous postings and not to expect "Jeralyn to do his homework" for him.

    My post was deleted. The troll's post is still up. (LOL.)

    And you know, I completely trust your judgment on that and the formula of fairness and a little sump'n extra.

    Anyone that would accuse you of writing hate posts is simply deluded.

    [ Parent ]

    You are absolutely right (none / 0) (#146)
    by PaulDem on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:53:16 PM EST
    Until Senator Clinton concedes, it strikes me as tone-deaf for Obama supporters to try to entice her supporters to unify.

    For everyone who suggests that the force for unity must come from the Obama side of the aisle, I think that is misguided.  It is only when Clinton leads her supporters through her own support of Obama will the healing really begin.

    Unfortunately she has a great case for staying in the race since the pledged delegate totals don't put Obama over the top.  If she wants to she has every right to spend the next three months convincing superdelegates with whatever arguments she wants to make to try to win their support.

    I think ultimately it will be futile but that decision doesn't rest with me, or any other Obama supporter.  

    I just remember my experience in 2004 after working for a year to try to get Howard Dean nominated.  After how he was treated by the other candidates and DC establishment I had a hard time seeing myself supporting Kerry.  It wasn't until Dean dropped out and endorsed Kerry that I could even consider it.  Even then it took me a solid month before I could stomach the thought of voting for Kerry.  

    That is why I am so worried about this animosity lingering until the convention. And I include the possibility of Clinton prevailing at the convention and Obama having to lead his supporters to unite with the Clinton folks. For many people, there just won't be enough time to let the healing process run its course.    

    If there are Obama supporters who are impatient to begin this re-unification, this may be why.

    [ Parent ]

    Impatient? (5.00 / 5) (#209)
    by cawaltz on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:17:23 PM EST
    They ought to be worried. ell will freeze over before I "unify" with a bunch of childish bullies and I can assure you I will feel the same months from now even if Hillary Clinton were to suspend her campaign.

    If Hillary loses, I plan on buying myself a nice bottle of wine and toasting the idiocy of the Democratic party. It takes a special kind of stupid to turn a shoe in for a Democrat into a competition to see how many demographics you can alienate. Makes a soul happy she changed to Independant. I'm glad I'm not afiliated with the stupidity.

    [ Parent ]

    Obama supporters are underestimating... (5.00 / 2) (#318)
    by Aqua Blue on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 05:49:40 PM EST
    the anger of Clinton supporters.

    "..@ell has No Fury like a Woman Scorned."

    Sad that Obama people are laying the responsibility of unifying the party on Hillary.  Mass media has said this until I want to scream.

    The responsibility is on Obama...and good luck with that.    His supporters did not have to create the hate and vitriol that they have created.    Obama could have been gracious about FL/MI  and I would have been somewhat softened.

    Now it will take the Dream Ticket.

    [ Parent ]

    I have no vote in US elections and whilst I prefer (5.00 / 3) (#272)
    by WelshWoman on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:54:36 PM EST
    Clinton, I hope I'm objective.

    There is one big problem when trying to unify the party. For the first time in an election as far as I can tell, they allowed the voters to be called names.

    Normally the candidates taken out on each other or ad's or run against the candidate. This time they allowed it to get personal against the voters.

    To turn around three months later and say so didn't mean it vote for me, isn't going to work. There will need to be some serious listening and apologising going on.

    [ Parent ]

    Olive branch? (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by gandy007 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:33:55 PM EST
    more like a club of thorns in the posterior!

    [ Parent ]
    Tell somebody who cares. (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by oldpro on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:08:21 PM EST
    I don't care.

    Seriously off topic. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:09:31 PM EST


    Blair in PA (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:19:41 PM EST
    was previously warned. Now s/he's flouting the comment rules here. Banned permanently.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm Dying to know what she/him say? (none / 0) (#251)
    by Mrwirez on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:37:48 PM EST
    ??????????

    [ Parent ]
    I love your title. (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by andgarden on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:10:18 PM EST


    That's unifying. (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:11:31 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    On the order of (5.00 / 8) (#13)
    by oldpro on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:13:37 PM EST
    "The beatings will continue until morale improves!"

    [ Parent ]
    Aww, you changed it! (none / 0) (#30)
    by andgarden on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:19:28 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I shortened it (none / 0) (#46)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:23:41 PM EST
    "Lying idiots" is not compatible with the spirit of this site that discourages name calling. Even though this is characterizing how others view Hillary supporters, the message is conveyed by the use of the word "jutzpah" in the post.

    [ Parent ]
    Personally, I'm a name caller (5.00 / 4) (#51)
    by andgarden on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:25:59 PM EST
    Though the occasional reminder that it's a bad thing is welcomed.

    [ Parent ]
    Personally, I guess I am too. (5.00 / 3) (#81)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:33:07 PM EST
    Yesterday, when a friend sd. the MI primary wasn't legit because Obama's name wasn't on the ballot, I responded, just once I wish the motherfu#kers would state Obama took his name off the MI ballott. Not my usual style!

    [ Parent ]
    LOL... I needed t hat laugh :) (none / 0) (#133)
    by nashville on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:49:48 PM EST
    because I too have felt the sense of total exasperation at some of the dialogue out there.

    [ Parent ]
    Chutzpah (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:11:34 PM EST
    and bloggers go hand in hand ;-).

    So you don't think the meek will (5.00 / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:12:41 PM EST
    inherit the blogging world?

    [ Parent ]
    It's inherent in the job description (none / 0) (#37)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:21:56 PM EST
    "Blogger" (n.)(1):  a person who writes in an on-line journal (see "blog", n.), on no specific schedule and without deadlines, usually for little or no monetary remuneration, about topics of interest to the blogger (and possibly only the blogger), with little or no requirement for factual accuracy (beyond that self-imposed by the blogger), with no requirement for grammatical, logical, or intellectual consistency, and with an exceptional arrogance, summarized concisely, that the blogger knows the answers to all the world's problems and could solve them if only everyone would stop calling the blogger's attitude chutzpah and instead bow appropriately."  See also "Blogger" (n.)(2)(blog-creation computer program known for balkiness and clunkiness)

    [ Parent ]
    Wikipedia entries are more balanced ... (none / 0) (#103)
    by cymro on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:39:15 PM EST
    ... than your unsourced rant. I think Jeralyn and BTD would prefer these:

    blog

    blogger

    Google's Blogger platform

    There are plenty of serious and conscientious bloggers out there who don't deserve the smears contained in your definition.

    [ Parent ]

    Aw - the nature of a blog is (5.00 / 1) (#316)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 05:28:51 PM EST
    that you can't see my tongue is stuck firmly in my cheek.

    [ Parent ]
    I surmised as much, but smears, ... (none / 0) (#324)
    by cymro on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 06:33:13 PM EST
    ... even those presented as satire, have a habit of morphing into the accepted truth unless they are challenged.

    [ Parent ]
    Another voice of unity indeed. (5.00 / 9) (#11)
    by TalkRight on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:13:11 PM EST
    Obama aide Anita Dunn, per ABC News:
    When asked if Obama would wait to get a concession call from Clinton before claiming the nomination, Dunn said:

    The onus was on Clinton now that the Democratic Party has firmed up the number of delegates needed to claim the party's nod. He's not going to wait by the phone like a high-school girl waiting for a date. That's not Barack Obama.

    I truly want Hillary is not offered the VP so that I can rejoice while voting for McCain.

    That's right. Obama is a MAN. (5.00 / 8) (#35)
    by rooge04 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:21:22 PM EST
    He's not some GIRL.  Ugh.

    [ Parent ]
    And one without any decorum (5.00 / 4) (#62)
    by angie on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:28:18 PM EST
    It is pretty much accepted that you don't announce your win until the other candidate concedes, but why should he start showing any class now? No matter what happens this week, I'm still counting on the SDs waking up before the convention.

    [ Parent ]
    Me too. I don't see how Obama can survive ... (5.00 / 2) (#223)
    by cymro on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:23:10 PM EST
    ... for 3 more months in the spotlight.

    [ Parent ]
    Mark this Exhibit CDGA, (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by davnee on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:27:56 PM EST
    since we've blown through the alphabet several times with the evidence, for why Obama will never get my vote.  No class whatsoever.  Of course this is mild evidence compared to the other evidence I have marked that has me convinced that Obama is unqualified in both experience and character to be POTUS.  Speaking for me only of course.

    [ Parent ]
    Talking about chutzpah (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by FleetAdmiralJ on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:13:15 PM EST
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/2/131857/5673/479/527362

    And they accuse Clinton of twisting things?

    I'd ask what's happened to that place (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by andgarden on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:15:31 PM EST
    but I'm tired of asking.

    [ Parent ]
    I never click on dailykos story links (5.00 / 6) (#21)
    by TalkRight on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:16:38 PM EST
    !

    [ Parent ]
    I objected to that post privately (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:18:18 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    What the heck? (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by Steve M on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:22:01 PM EST
    How many commentors were of the "right on!" variety, and how many of them dared to point out that there is an obvious difference between pledged delegates and superdelegates?

    [ Parent ]
    refreshingly (5.00 / 3) (#76)
    by FleetAdmiralJ on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:31:56 PM EST
    there are quite a few pointing out the fact that it's BS, though the majority is still basically taking it in without thought.

    [ Parent ]
    That's good news (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by Steve M on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:32:57 PM EST
    My impression is that as we near the finish line, people are becoming at least a tiny bit more grown-up.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah, he calls Hillary (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by frankly0 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:13:52 PM EST
    a liar, then turns right around and says what he obviously knew she meant, which was certainly not a lie.

    The worst, most random commenter on DailyKos doesn't get dumber than that.

    I stopped reading at this point: (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:15:08 PM EST
    Well, now it's time for Hillary's staff and supporters to pick a side. It's their one chance, and there's no coming back.

    Who the heck is he to make that kind of statement?!  

    I say make the statement (5.00 / 7) (#32)
    by MMW on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:20:13 PM EST
    As for me - I choose another side.

    [ Parent ]
    What does it even mean? (5.00 / 7) (#41)
    by rooge04 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:22:46 PM EST
    They won't LET me vote for a Dem again? What fools.

    [ Parent ]
    Well I'm thinking now that the one thing.... (5.00 / 8) (#42)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:22:48 PM EST
    ...Obama needs to do to earn my vote is reject and renounces the support of these punks. And the sooner the better. I'll give them my spot under the bus.

    [ Parent ]
    uh oh now you've done it (5.00 / 2) (#196)
    by karen for Clinton on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:11:17 PM EST
    We are all going to be called accessories to murder if they end up under the bus.

    That said, I hope it is booking when they get theirs.

    [ Parent ]

    There's an idea (none / 0) (#310)
    by TeresaInPa on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 05:10:12 PM EST
    yeah, if he personally throws dkos and americablog under the bus with his typical white grandmother I might vote for him.

    [ Parent ]
    This supporter (5.00 / 5) (#44)
    by janarchy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:23:10 PM EST
    has picked a side.

    I just printed out my NY State Voter Registration papers and am declaring myself unaffiliated.

    If I'm not a member of their party, I don't have to worry about phony ponies.

    [ Parent ]

    Welcome to the unaffiliated world (5.00 / 4) (#68)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:30:23 PM EST
    of guilt free voting  ;) Democrats must unify? Heh, you talkin' to me? lol!~

    I just realized, I'm in the same "party" as my Mayor . . .

    [ Parent ]

    Weird, ain't it? (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by janarchy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:40:13 PM EST
    I guess if I really want to vote in a primary, I can always switch back. Although considering everything, who knows if the DNC would let my vote count or hand it to someone else instead?

    [ Parent ]
    Unaffiliated since 2000 (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by RalphB on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:06:12 PM EST
    and it just gets better.  :-)

    [ Parent ]
    You too!? I just printed out TWO. (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by rooge04 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:33:48 PM EST
    One for me. One for my husband.

    [ Parent ]
    Actually...three (5.00 / 5) (#101)
    by janarchy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:38:46 PM EST
    one for me, one for my 73 yr old Mom (who has only been an active Democrat since 1956) and one for my 80 yr old Dad (who has only been an active Dem since 1949).

    They're going in the mail tomorrow. And I'll be emailing Donna Brazile thanking her for helping us make the decision after a long period of waffling.

    [ Parent ]

    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#256)
    by Nadai on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:40:16 PM EST
    I printed mine out this weekend, along with copies for both of my parents, my sister, and her boyfriend.  Five more "Unaffiliated Voters" in Raleigh, NC.  We plan to send semi-redacted copies to the DNC with a little note.

    [ Parent ]
    This is the kind of scorched-earth comment... (5.00 / 6) (#52)
    by Dawn Davenport on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:26:02 PM EST
    ...that does good for neither Obama nor the Dems.

    Why in the world would you tell supporters of the losing candidate that they have only one chance to get on board? Such a threat might scare week-kneed super-delegates who might be worried about facing primary challengers funded by Obama, but does nothing to sway your average Clinton supporter who worries about the depth of Obama's qualifications to be commander in chief.

    [ Parent ]

    If Hillary supporters (5.00 / 3) (#191)
    by Daryl24 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:10:09 PM EST
    don't get on board then what happens? How do you banish 17 million people from the Democratic party and not lose an election?  

     

    [ Parent ]

    Last Chance (5.00 / 6) (#53)
    by Valhalla on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:26:10 PM EST
    LOL.  Something tells me I'm going to have a lot of chances to ride the Unity Pony between now and November, if Obama gets the nomination.

    [ Parent ]
    There's no coming back? (5.00 / 12) (#54)
    by Davidson on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:26:16 PM EST
    Can I get that in writing, please?  I want a guarantee they'll never bother with me again!

    And I can guarantee you this is the attitude within the Obama camp considering their past tactics.  Their staff and Democratic endorsers continuing to smear Clinton (e.g., Axelrod blaming Clinton for Bhutto assassination, Power's "monster" remark, Burton sending the media into a feeding frenzy over the African garb photo and RFK).  Obama himself made his contempt for her clear just recently when Edwards endorsed him and he smiled when his supporters booed Clinton.

    [ Parent ]

    And what's hysterical (5.00 / 5) (#73)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:31:34 PM EST
    is that he and the folks at KOS are the root cause of the beginning of my aversion to Obama supporters and unfortunately, translated to Obama.  

    [ Parent ]
    Is there an after-school rumble in the sandlot? (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:44:04 PM EST
    Sheesh before Obama came along it was the usual Lib v Pug fracas with chucks and too-hot lattes at the old Volvo dealership.

    [ Parent ]
    Will we be The Sharks or The Jets? (5.00 / 2) (#169)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:01:06 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Sharks, baby, on clothes, music and dancing (5.00 / 3) (#184)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:05:32 PM EST
    And although I don't want to give away my fight strategy here -- wayyyyyy pointier shoes.

    [ Parent ]
    I hope it's (5.00 / 1) (#225)
    by Daryl24 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:23:56 PM EST
    Tonight

    [ Parent ]
    Thanks, I always forget which is which.... (none / 0) (#253)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:38:33 PM EST
    who will be Maria?  :)

    [ Parent ]
    Given Hillary's win in Puerto Rico (5.00 / 4) (#193)
    by janarchy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:10:30 PM EST
    yesterday, I suspect we're all Sharks, not Jets. ::grin::

    Besides, Jets run out of fuel. Sharks gotta keep on moving!

    [ Parent ]

    Sharks...(IMO) (5.00 / 2) (#220)
    by cmugirl on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:21:18 PM EST
    are sexier and better dressers.

    [ Parent ]
    Sounds like he's not going to be (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by RalphB on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:15:19 PM EST
    campaigning for Obama to me.  Not sure why he should either.

    Or any other (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:16:07 PM EST
    "New Democrat" for that matter.

    [ Parent ]
    He isn't looking for unity (5.00 / 8) (#19)
    by samanthasmom on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:15:59 PM EST
    He's looking for submission. Resistance is futile!

    These folks (5.00 / 7) (#22)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:16:55 PM EST
    are a bunch of authoritarian ex-Republicans.  The authoritarianism doesn't work with Democrats.

    [ Parent ]
    Indeed. (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by madamab on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:26:23 PM EST
    As I said at my place today. :-)

    [ Parent ]
    Nice post.. (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by TalkRight on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:31:51 PM EST
    I solidly agree with your PUMA comment!!!

    [ Parent ]
    Here is what Obama and his camp say (5.00 / 8) (#23)
    by Prabhata on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:16:55 PM EST
    Get over it and vote McCain.  ARG just came out with a poll for SD: Hillary 60, Obama 34

    If SD goes for Hillary that's a big upset, and the DNC better know that Wright and Phleger are not going away. I don't like Obama's friends and they confirm my view of Obama, an opportunist without moral compass who should never get near the WH.

    Yeah, and ARG has MT 44/48 Obama (5.00 / 5) (#40)
    by angie on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:22:15 PM EST
    8% undecided -- I can only dream that those #s hold (or improve) for her (and, of course, light my candle), but that would certainly be an "in your face" to the DNC -- both states are "Obama's turf" not to mention SD being Daschle's home state -- I can truly say I can die happy after seeing Kerry & Kennedy not being able to bring in MA for Obama if Daschle also fails to bring SD in for him as well.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama (5.00 / 7) (#71)
    by bobbski on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:30:55 PM EST
    "I don't like Obama's friends and they confirm my view of Obama, an opportunist without moral compass who should never get near the WH."

    Obama is another George Bush.  No experience, no morals and slugs for friends and supporters.

    [ Parent ]

    ARG's the worst pollster out there (none / 0) (#87)
    by waldenpond on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:34:19 PM EST
    I'm sad to say.  Are there any other ones out there?  I feel I would end up disappointed if I relied on ARG.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah, but ARG got KY right (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by angie on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:41:53 PM EST
    I'm "clinging" to that.

    [ Parent ]
    democrats (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by bobbski on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:19:03 PM EST
    "Its THAT simple...and if they chose to lose me as a voter in this election, it will be on them - not me." -- Seymour Glass

    What you said!

    Exactly right. (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by madamab on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:20:28 PM EST
    There will be no "unity" because the Obamans do not want unity.

    C'est la vie.

    So,Obama's going to (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by Left of center on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:20:59 PM EST
    get the nomination after receiving less votes,essentially making him the George W. Bush of the democratic primary. Can you say illegitimate candidate?

    Come back, baby (5.00 / 6) (#36)
    by janarchy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:21:44 PM EST
    For the sake of appearances, just move back home.

    I won't hurt you again. Unless you deserve it.

    BTD, I honestly appreciate your attempts at unity and sanity. Perhaps if more people thought and behaved like you, we wouldn't be in the mess we are right now.

    Nodding head and applauding. (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by kenoshaMarge on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:23:35 PM EST


    Never again (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by mmc9431 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:24:06 PM EST
    I had come to read the progressive blogs because they offered truth to the situation the country faced, The same was true with KO. However that's all changed. I have found them to be as twisted and distorted as anyone in the Bush administration. We're back to nowhere to be able to really find out the honest truth. They'll all playing games with the facts to either inflate their ego or to gather favor in the upcoming administration. I guess they want to be the new Tim Russert. (The man to turn to to get their agenda accross. I'm back to not believing anyone again.

    Confession: yesterday, after my (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:29:05 PM EST
    friend (who recently switched her allegiance from Clinton to Obama) sd., you probably aren't too happy about Sat.  Talk about the understatement of the year.  Anyhow, I heard myself stating I won't vote for Obama.  Today, I am reading BTD's incessant calls for unity and trying to get a grip.  

    I have the same problem (5.00 / 4) (#72)
    by bjorn on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:31:13 PM EST
    It would really help if Obama did something unifying!

    [ Parent ]
    What can he do to unify (5.00 / 6) (#98)
    by MMW on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:37:38 PM EST
    that erases or eases the damage already done?

    Truely curious, cause I can't come up with anything.

    I want lessons learned. I want consequences.

    [ Parent ]

    the single biggest one for me (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by bjorn on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:43:18 PM EST
    is asking Clinton to be his VP.  It will be hard if he does not do that. If she says "no."  That is fine. I want him to ask.

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry, not for me (5.00 / 5) (#124)
    by angie on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:47:01 PM EST
    yeah, he should ask her to give her the opportunity to refuse, but there is nothing he can do now to "unify" with me -- I'm done with having people sh!t all over me and then getting "blamed" for not forgiving them the second they give me some half-a$$ed insincere apology -- maybe in my early 20s I'd have been fooled, but I'm way too old for that now.

    [ Parent ]
    That will not work for me (5.00 / 6) (#138)
    by MMW on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:51:25 PM EST
    It erases nothing of what's been done. And I won't support a more qualified woman having to pick up after a less qualified man.

    Tell him do that to one of his male supporters. It shouldn't be hard for him to find one more qualified to be President than him.

    [ Parent ]

    Hope the Pander Pony is well rested . . . (5.00 / 4) (#106)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:40:37 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    You mean, like (5.00 / 4) (#113)
    by oldpro on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:44:07 PM EST
    some phony, pretend outreach that you can "believe?"  

    (At least until after the election).

    C'mon, folks...dunno how to break this to ya but, umm....no tooth fairy, no Easter Bunny, no Santa and no Obama unity...need I go on?

    [ Parent ]

    Hahahahaha, oculus! (5.00 / 5) (#110)
    by madamab on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:42:19 PM EST
    Welllllcome to the Dark Side!

    [evil laughter]

    Seriously...Saturday was the final straw for anyone who believes that a candidate who wasn't on the ballot shouldn't get votes...

    [ Parent ]

    Think you answered your own question (5.00 / 5) (#75)
    by RalphB on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:31:53 PM EST
     ex repub bloggers

    These folks would be perfectly at home with the most virulent RW groups.

    I'm with you 100% on this election by the way!

    The (5.00 / 9) (#77)
    by kenoshaMarge on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:32:34 PM EST
    noxious fumes of hatred rising from those that have enlarged their hatred of all things Clinton to include Clinton Democrats and Clinton Supporters has become unbelievable.

    Their

    "we must have unity and we must have it now and you damn well better get in line"
    schtick just doesn't cut it with me somehow.

    I never liked Republican Thugs and Bullies and I find that I like Democratic ones even less. The idea of unity with people like that is repulsive. Why would we want to?

    What's with the threats? (5.00 / 9) (#82)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:33:38 PM EST
    Well, now it's time for Hillary's staff and supporters to pick a side. It's their one chance, and there's no coming back.

    So if I don't choose to support Obama today, I won't be able to ... um ... well ... what exactly?

    And:

    Hillary and her supporters have this week to get on the bus, or the bus is leaving, and they're not going to like where it's left them.

    Here I just think he got lost in his metaphor.  But he still had to pipe it through with threaty goodness.

    So we can crawl out from under the bus (5.00 / 5) (#109)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:42:00 PM EST
    to sit in the back, perhaps?

    heh.

    [ Parent ]

    Or maybe we'll just be left in ... (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:51:41 PM EST
    a city called:

    The Traditional Democratic Party.

    [ Parent ]

    I picture that (5.00 / 2) (#179)
    by waldenpond on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:03:59 PM EST
    bus....  I laughed when I read that.. what immediately popped in to my head was my 15 year old son (currently lacking in the tact dept) being shipped of to summer camp for a couple of weeks.... a bus leaving me behind would be a very good thing right now.

    [ Parent ]
    Some of the Obama bloggers (5.00 / 3) (#180)
    by madamab on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:04:04 PM EST
    are weaklings and bullies.

    They know no other way to get their points across except by yelling and intimidation - and sometimes cajoling. Sweetie.

    It would never occur to them to actually listen to another point of view.

    Unfortunately, they reflect their candidate rather accurately.

    [ Parent ]

    z'he trying to go through my monitor and slap me? (5.00 / 2) (#208)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:16:47 PM EST
    I've never met the feckin' eedjit. What hold does he think he has over people other than his nascient superpower to make me die laughing?

    [ Parent ]
    "Threaty goodness" (5.00 / 3) (#215)
    by kmblue on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:19:08 PM EST
    may be my new favorite catchphrase.  Well done!

    [ Parent ]