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McCain's Disgusting Supporter

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:54:07 PM EST
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Oliver Willis is right about this disgusting McCain supporter:

So a guy makes a sick joke about rape that was highlighted in a campaign ad, but the McCain camp still thought it was perfectly fine to take his money and have a fundraiser with him until the press comes a knockin’. . . Here’s an idea: Tell John McCain to give back the $300,000 he raised via a man who jokes about rape.

Absolutely. Perhaps now Willis can see this psycho ex-girlfriend stuff was not funny. That in fact it was sexist and offensive.

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    He joins the list of bloggers (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by andgarden on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:59:40 PM EST
    who now recognize the importance of sexism. . .

    The outrage is well . . . (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:06:11 PM EST
    I do not believe it frankly. I do not think any of them give a sh*t about that statement.

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    Well, now there's a funny video about (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:10:00 PM EST
    John McCain, so some at least find it useful. They are doing what they accused you of doing.

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    Not necessarily (none / 0) (#9)
    by Llelldorin on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:16:35 PM EST
    There are different levels of sexism. I know plenty of people who are fine with casual sexism, but would still find rape jokes outrageous and indefensible.

    This is true for most forms of bigotry. Lots of people who mutter about their property values when black couples move in and quickly lock their doors against black pedestrians would still be outraged at jokes about lynchings. Plenty of anti-gay-marriage types still find jokes about beatings offensive.

    Bigotry isn't an on/off switch; people aren't either sexist or not. One can be more or less so.


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    Level of sexism (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Valhalla on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:30:39 PM EST
    Certainly, some expressions of sexism and racism are worse than others.

    But many are sufficiently bad that further gradations of 'badness' don't matter much.

    Is this worse than the nutcrackers?  Worse than laughing about taking Hillary behind the barn and beating her up until she can't come out?

    My answers are yes and yes but pretty darn close.  Again, does that matter?  Is one person off the hook because there are people out there who will say worse things?

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    Oh, no... (none / 0) (#30)
    by Llelldorin on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:51:33 PM EST
    That's not what I meant; only that the expressions of horror about this might very well be genuine. A person can simultaneously make "psycho ex-girlfriend" quips and be horrified at the idea of rape jokes.

    That doesn't excuse the former, but it doesn't make the expressions of horror faked, either.

    (Frankly, the "beating behind the barn" thing strikes me as comparable to the rape joke; both are horrifying. Jokes about violence always strike me as a dangerous step beyond run-of-the-mill bigotry, because of the folks who aren't kidding.)

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    Sorry! (none / 0) (#32)
    by Valhalla on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:56:46 PM EST
    I misread your comment.  Totally my bad.

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    carlin most famously did a rape joke. (none / 0) (#52)
    by Salo on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:29:18 PM EST
    It's interesting that day to day stuff is notconsidered worse than a nasty joke.  

    what's more likely to do th elong term damage?

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    These outrage contests are not helpful (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by davnee on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:08:55 PM EST
    Obama is in no position to play this game.  Not with his A-List of despicable friends and mentors.

    And if these miscreant blogger boyz think reviving some 1990 incident is going to hoodwink women into thinking that sexism is a one way street running from the R's only, they're deluded.

    So... (none / 0) (#11)
    by anydemwilldo on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:22:14 PM EST
    The proper behavior of, say, the Obama campaign (or TalkLeft) should be to ignore the issue?  I mean, is it outrageous or not?  If it is, it's worth condemning irrespective of what the Obama-aligned blogs say about it, no?

    I mean, look: forget party unity.  At some point we need to get back to a unified set of ethics.  Some things are inarguably bad, and this is one of them.      Ignoring it as an excuse for taking a swipe at a rival campaign isn't helping anyone's agenda.

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    I'd still tread carefully if I was Obama (none / 0) (#14)
    by davnee on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:29:56 PM EST
    Pointing out these outrages is one thing, but if McCain countermoves to cut the supporter off, I'd let it go.  Obama whiffed far too many times at the plate when presented with his own high-level supporters' sexism.  I still await an apology from Obama to Clinton and to women generally for the odious words of Wright and Pfleger.  Those gems of hatred and disrespect are a lot fresher than 1990.

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    Apology? (5.00 / 0) (#25)
    by anydemwilldo on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:46:21 PM EST
    To be clear: Wright's comments weren't offensive to women specifically, and certainly had nothing to do with Hillary (they predate the primary by a few years).  Pfleger's clearly were.  All of them were repudiated pretty clearly by the Obama campaign (and at least in the Wright case, by him personally).  Everyone agrees they were offensive.

    I'm not sure why you're waiting for an "apology" from Obama or the campaign, though, as these weren't his statements.   All he can do is express the fact that he agrees with you, not with Wright or Pfleger, and take steps to distance himself from them (he quit the church, for example).

    Now, maybe the hurt is too deep, and you're simply not able to forgive on this issue; that's your right.  But your statement that "you're still waiting" implies to me that there is something that Obama campaign can do to make this OK again.  I'm just curious what that is, specifically?

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    Actually (none / 0) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:50:43 PM EST
    some of his actions were quite offensive and sexist.

    I do not think you know the whole Wright story.

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    Wright's actions, not Obama's (none / 0) (#29)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:51:19 PM EST


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    Thanks BTD (none / 0) (#34)
    by davnee on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:01:36 PM EST
    I don't want to have to go through an explanation of  Wright's Hillary ain't never been called a n* speech, or Pfleger's ode to Hillary as the weeping harpy of white entitlement.


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    OK (none / 0) (#35)
    by anydemwilldo on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:08:18 PM EST
    I'll grant that point then, it was secondary.  I'm really interested in the second part of what I wrote: what is it you want to hear from Obama by way of apology?  I'm trying to mend fences here, and most of that is trying to understand what you want.


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    Me? (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:22:30 PM EST
    I am not asking for an apology from Obama.

    I am asking for some hard questions to be asked of the Media.

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    I no longer want an apology. (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by samanthasmom on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:26:19 PM EST
    The fence is broken, and the pony got out. No more speeches. Actions now. I want to see what kind of a campaign Obama runs against McCain.  I want to see him take a side on an issue and maintain it for more than a couple of days. I want to see a solid pro-choice platform - no "consulting with pastors".  I want the "Rev. Obama" to go away. No religion in politics. Enough with the faith-based initiatives. No school vouchers. Ask teachers how they feel about "merit pay", and listen to why. And. . . . .

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    Any apology would be cheap at this point (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by davnee on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:27:16 PM EST
    Obama missed his chance, twice, to reject vicious attacks on his opponent, made in his name by his own close friends, that were not just cruel, but also racist and sexist in nature.  That's a stain on Obama's character that can't be erased by a patchwork apology retroactively crafted once his opponent is no longer a threat.  There is no courage or honor in such an apology.  

    And what's worse to me is that Obama made generic, wishy washy apologies for those incidents that never addressed the insults to Hillary specifically and women more generally.  He was in his own way endorsing those remarks by pointedly omitting them from his criticism.  Even if he did not agree with the remarks, he clearly felt they were harmless enough to not merit any public reproach.  And I know you will get on me for suggesting Obama agreed with the broadsides against Hillary's character, race and gender, but what is the alternative interpretation?  That Obama was too frightened of condemning the remarks, because then they would get another go round in the press?  Victory before principle.  

    He could apologize now, which I suppose would be better than nothing, but not much.  He can't undo what he did, which was to malignly accept the sexism and hatred peddled in his name by those closest to him.  He was not brave or principled enough to do so.  It is what it is.  Does this alone disqualify him from being president?  Your mileage may vary.

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    To paraphrase George W Bush (none / 0) (#61)
    by blogtopus on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:55:48 PM EST
    I think History will have a much more favorable view of Hillary Clinton than Obama does now, and it might be that if Obama doesn't impress with his mad skillz when he erupts on D.C., History might not be as kind to him as the establishment is now.

    This isn't about how 'winners write the history books' anymore; the ever-expanding role of independent and personal media such as youtube and blogs will make it impossible to hide what Obama's campaign did.

    I hope that Hillary runs again in 2012 / 2016. She's too strong a person to keep from such an important place in this world.

    That said, I'm voting for Obama because there's nobody better on the ballot.

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    No.... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:57:22 PM EST
    Wright WAS offensive to Hillary AND to women from the pulpit explicitly, and those comments do not predate the primary. You haven't looked into the Wright issue deeply enough.

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    It IS an excuse for taking a swipe (none / 0) (#31)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:56:07 PM EST
    He's a hypocrite.

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    No, the proper behavior of the Obama campaign (none / 0) (#78)
    by echinopsia on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:49:29 PM EST
    would have been to to speak up when there were atrocities uttered by his supporters about his fellow Democratic candidate.

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    The motherlode of irony: (none / 0) (#73)
    by echinopsia on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:20:02 PM EST
    Statement from DNC communications director Karen Finney:

    "Mr. Williams' comments are not only outrageous and disgusting, they degrade our values as Americans.  John McCain should make it clear that he understands just how offensive these comments are by not only canceling a fund-raising event but also returning the money Wlliams raised for his campaign.  Senator McCain should know that you cannot expect the American people to trust you if you say one thing when you stand on the stump and turn a blind eye to this kind of language when you think no one will notice."

    And where were you, sweetie, when Obama supporters were making similarly outrageous and disgusting comments about Hillary Clinton in the past six months?

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    Footnote (none / 0) (#82)
    by mwb on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 07:21:02 AM EST
    Did you read the footnote?

    "Racist, sexist, homophobic remarks are bad and should be condemned.*

    * Except when they are uttered by someone we like about someone we don't.  Then they are just dandy."

    Sadly, too often this does to be the unwritten rule for too many people.

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    18 years ago?! (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:12:28 PM EST
    He said these things in 1990?

    In the words of the Obama campaign, "he can't be held accountable for all the things said by people he knows".

    Obama's excuse for not having to distance himself (or return the money) from Ayers and the fundraising done at William's home is "something some guy did when [I] was 8 years old".

    So, now Obama is going to use the tactics he spent so much time condemning?

    It is Talk LEFT (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:24:39 PM EST


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    it's not talk morons. (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Salo on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:32:02 PM EST
    The double standard is fairly obvious.  

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    That's (none / 0) (#41)
    by tek on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:13:30 PM EST
    one of his MOs.

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    I'm glad to see Mr. Willis is (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Joelarama on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:13:55 PM EST
    shocked! shocked! by the sexism this campaign season.

    It's good to feel like we're all progressives again.  At least until it suits the blogger boys to act otherwise.

    they're shocked and disgusted, (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by cpinva on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:19:31 PM EST
    as long as it's about anyone other than sen. clinton. you can say anything about her, and it's ok.

    them's the rules of the highly paid pundit class, and the blogger boys & girls. it served sen. obama well during the primary, he should continue to embrace it during the GE, show everyone he's just as crass as sen. mccain.

    i'm sure his wife will understand, it's just politics.

    One of the benefits (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:30:21 PM EST
    of a short memory is that you can continue to indulge the puerile Hillary/Good, Obama/Bad snit without having to think or talk about the fact that not terribly long ago some of the same influential people who now support McCain were orchestrating smear campaigns accusing the Clintons of complicity in the premeditated murder of Vince Foster and Ron Brown and having an interest in an Arkansas cocaine smuggling racket.

    But, we can trust the Republicans. Btw, didnt Reagan have a Democratic congress?

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    You would have a point (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Valhalla on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:32:33 PM EST
    if anyone were arguing we can trust Republicans.

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    Would I have a point (none / 0) (#21)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:36:32 PM EST
    if I suggested that there was a lot of distortion-by-ommision going on here?

    Or, is it just me?

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    by omission? (none / 0) (#54)
    by Salo on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:34:44 PM EST
    This isn't a format for essays and disseratations.

    You must realize that GOP and independent people follow these twists and turns as well and foprm their opinion from a variety of diferent perspectives.  This reeks of oportunistic double standards.  

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    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by tek on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:11:53 PM EST
    and not too long ago (no wait, even now) Obama launched a smear campaign against the Clintons and, Oh, he's in their very same party.

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    Zzzzzz (1.00 / 1) (#42)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:14:43 PM EST


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    He's also the one who (none / 0) (#47)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:24:44 PM EST
    demanded no association with the words and actions of people just because he is close friends with them.

    What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. The Obama standard of not taking what he so readily hands out is obvious to everyone but his most dire supporters.

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    What Smears? (none / 0) (#51)
    by Niffari on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:28:43 PM EST
    Name them.

    Smear indicates that it is false, like Obama being a Muslim and holding a foreign passport. Or Michelle using the term "whitey."

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    You're right (none / 0) (#64)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:06:49 PM EST
    "she'll do anything, say anything to win" was not a smear because it's true on it's face.

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    Incomplete list: (none / 0) (#79)
    by echinopsia on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:57:47 PM EST
    Harry & Louise.
    "Fairy tale" is racist.
    Pres. Clinton to blame for Repub congress.
    "Clinton/Bush doctrines"
    "Bush-Cheney Light"
    RFK assassination smear
    African garb photo
    Bill. C. "McCarthy-like"

    Many many more.


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    I love how quickly (none / 0) (#20)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:34:45 PM EST
    it gets switched back to Obama.

    Of course that Grandfatherly (and oh-so-Aryan) Papa Smurf wouldnt associate with any bad people; why, he looks like he could be Hillary's father!

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    well., it's actually playing badly ... (none / 0) (#56)
    by Salo on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:36:24 PM EST
    ...among conservatives.  They don't want Clinton refugees judging from the boards on Redstate.

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    Or maybe Willis (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:49:56 PM EST
    will see Olbermann's comment about Hillary going in a room with a Superdelegate and only the superdelegate comes out as not funny too.

    I'm holding my breath.  Oops, just passed out.

    There are no clean hands in this election.  To cherry pick evil is ridiculous.

    Seriously (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by tek on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:09:35 PM EST
    I wish all the Obama people would just leave off trying to influence women with how sexist McCain is.  After the unconscionable sexism from Obama himself, the rest of it is immaterial.  Sexism I expect from Republicans, coming from a Democrat, it's just intolerable.

    This 18 year old example (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:12:45 PM EST
    doesn't hold a candle to the immediate past of how the DNC, Obama, and friends have shown their sexist attitudes.


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    Alot of people (none / 0) (#40)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:13:26 PM EST
    here would like it if we left off talking about how ANYTHING McCain is.

    The idea is to keep going after the Democratic nominee.

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    Rather than just stopping (none / 0) (#48)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:25:02 PM EST
    at doing McCains work for him, we should really start think about lobbying for a constitutional amendment to get Bush a third term

    Who cares how many people die in the M.E, REALLY?
    Sexism is rampant over there, after all.

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    For some reason, I don't have the energy to care (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by goldberry on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:23:38 PM EST
    I mean, the DNC and Obama's campaign made no effort to tame the sexism on our side.  It was perfectly OK for KO to talk about an SD taking Clinton into a room and only he emerges.  It was OK for thousands of the most vile commentary to get posted to blogs by men who probably contributed to Obama's campaign.  
    In the end, it is not McCain's party that is making it harder for women in the world.  It is Obama's party that is pretending to be our champion but could really give a f%^&.  The Democrats are the real bad guys here.  The Republicans are acting like, well, Republicans.  

    You know (none / 0) (#5)
    by Steve M on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:10:34 PM EST
    I really don't think the current "guilt-by-association" stage of the campaign is helpful to Obama.  One reason we're seeing a very high amount of undecideds right now is that a crass campaign gets no one excited.

    Obama stands to do much better if he can move things back to a loftier plane.  He may have scored a point from McCain's embarrassment about this supporter, but in the overall narrative I don't think it's a positive.

    I think when it is reduced to (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:12:58 PM EST
    what supporters said, I agree with you.

    But contrast and negative branding of McCain will serve Obama well.

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    Not really... (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:30:07 PM EST
    I suspect that there are plenty of folks out there wondering "where was Obama when his own supporters were making these kind of cracks?"

    He stood by silently. And now he's trying to be the outraged one?

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    See (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by tek on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:16:06 PM EST
    that's the part of this campaign Obama people really don't understand.  After the way Obama smeared and denigrated Hillary and Bill and Chelsea, when the Hillary Dems see Obama doing that negative stuff to McCain, it just reinforces the image of him as a corrupt Chicago pol. IMHO.  But then, I'm a bitter, white, 60-yr-old (highly educated professional academic) woman.

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    Did you watch the father's day speech (none / 0) (#12)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:23:39 PM EST
    I thought it was amazing.  Buzz of the town in detroit.  

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    Actually (none / 0) (#23)
    by Steve M on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:40:13 PM EST
    I haven't gotten the chance to watch it yet but I definitely will.

    Are you from Detroit?  My hometown.

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    I look out over the DIA (none / 0) (#55)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:35:54 PM EST
    One of the beautiful skyline in the US (the ground floor is getting better in the mid town area as well).

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    Is this new? (none / 0) (#19)
    by cmugirl on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:33:51 PM EST
    Clayton Williams made this statement when he ran for governor of Texas in 1990 - not that it diminishes the vile nature of the comment, but did he actually say this again recently?

    He said that 18 years ago? (none / 0) (#26)
    by kredwyn on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:47:47 PM EST


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    McCain (none / 0) (#22)
    by lilburro on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:38:36 PM EST
    will be his own undoing when it comes to the female vote.  I trust him not at all with women's issues, or a basic level of respect for women.  I think his sexism and anti-women policies will become apparent.

    Unless the credibility of the media is totally shot.  In which case an important critique of McCain's personal and political policy regarding women may fall on ears otherwise attuned.

    You would be right (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by samanthasmom on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:16:41 PM EST
    if former Clinton supporters were voting FOR John McCain,but we're not.  We're voting AGAINST the Democrats and specifically Barack Obama.  If you're waiting for some revelation about John McCain to convince us to vote (D), you'll still be waiting in December.  If we're coming back to the party, it will have to be because we have been convinced to vote for Obama in a positive way. I'm still hanging around here hoping to find a reason to vote FOR something.  I'm not shilling for McCain. I'd rather vote for a Democrat, but I don't recognize the party anymore. I want the party that values people back.

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    Williams comment helped elect Anne Richards (none / 0) (#24)
    by D Jessup on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:45:57 PM EST
    I actually worked on both of her campaigns as a consultant.  I disliked Clayton Williams than and still disklike him today. Not just because of that comment, but cause he was a right winger. My question is "Are you branded for life when you make a sexist remark like that."  Growing up on a Ranch an being around people like Clayton Williams and I suppose to hate them all of their life or can they ever redeem themselfs.

    And, now it has the opportunity to help (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:11:26 PM EST
    elect McCain. Obama's tactics on this campaign of negativity was so obvious to the RNC that they have done a good job of pointing it out and they will continue to throw these things right back into the face of hypocricy.

    Obama doesn't want to be responsible for his vile and vulgar friends, he can't try to pretend McCain is responsible for his. Obama is the one who laid out these rules.

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    It seems too easy and lazy (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by D Jessup on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:50:22 PM EST
    Instead of going after Clayton Williams for his current beliefs, which are extremely right wing, we go after his one statement.  To me that means that anyone's past no matter how far it goes is open, including Obama's drug use and his preachers and friends.  I would like to see us get back to ideas and positions instead of peoples past.  This is coming from someone who use to make a living doing opposition research

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    Hey (none / 0) (#67)
    by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:38:22 PM EST
    I worked on both of her campaigns too.  :)  She is one of my heroes.  

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    Yes, I got it (none / 0) (#65)
    by Steve M on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:24:22 PM EST
    Very, very inappropriate.  I hope a moderator cleans up that disgusting post.

    Can't complain about McCain (none / 0) (#69)
    by chopper on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:04:27 PM EST
    What's Obama's favorite line, Oh, I didn't see him that way.  Or something like that.

    Has McCain's friend been indicted, ranted about Hillary or the USofKKK, bombed anything or stomped on the American flag lately?

    I'd say supporting (none / 0) (#70)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:09:35 PM EST
    a campaign of lies leading to the death of hundreds of thousands of people is "stamping on the American flag."

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    Thanks, great post (none / 0) (#77)
    by riddlerandy on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:45:52 PM EST


    Sending a message about sexism (none / 0) (#80)
    by txpublicdefender on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:08:17 PM EST
    I guess I just don't see how helping elect McCain, a man who will do everything he can to set back women's reproductive rights, sends a message to the Dems about sexism.

    I actually find it unbelievably short-sighted.  There has never been a candidate that I liked everything about.  There has never been a political process that selected the party nominee that was totally fair, IMO.  But in the end, I choose to vote for the person I think will do the best for the country.  In my mind, the damage that McCain will do as President--especially the potentially long-term damage from adding four more years of right-wing justices with lifetime appointments in the federal judiciary--far outweighs any good that will come from sending some "message" to Obama and the DNC about sexism.

    Voting for McCain or even not voting for Obama will set women's rights back in this country for who knows how long.  I really hope people find another way to "send a message."

    Sending messages (none / 0) (#81)
    by Valhalla on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 11:43:39 PM EST
    Many, many, many messages where sent.  Letters, email, discussion places like here.

    There shouldn't have been a need for messages in the first place.  We're talking about the people who are supposed to be on our side.

    Messages were ignored.

    The only message left is votes.

    And not just sexism.  Those voting for McCain, or nonvoting for President (as I am) are doing so for many reasons.  Most of the people on this board in this category have long, long histories of voting for Democrats (I'm at 24 years and I'm a fair youngster compared to many).

    If you can offer a way of sending a message that will be understood, acted on, and cause this to never happen again besides voting, I'm very interested to hear it.  I mean that truly.

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