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Via Somerby, Nancy Giles, who claims to be a Democratic political strategist (NOTE: Apparently not. Just a random Democrat. Which begs the question, why is she on TV?):

ABRAMS (6/11/08): Well, let me ask you this. Nancy, if the numbers show—if it’s close by the time he has to make the decision, and the numbers show in the polls that Hillary could make the difference, would that make the difference to you?

GILES: No. [. . .] No, it’s not worth losing over because I don’t think he’ll lose...I think it would be a real liability. But his whole campaign is new—change, not old politics. And Hillary—look, if he gets Hillary as his VP, he’s got to hire somebody to be the official presidential taster because you don’t know what`s going to be in your food. You don’t know what could happen. I literally feel that way.

(Emphasis supplied.) She literally feels that way. Oy. What synonyms can be used for the words disgusting and idiotic? Because I am not allowed to name call at Talk Left.

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    How about "unoriginal"? (5.00 / 9) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:44:17 AM EST
    She's such a bad "strategist" that she had to steal her "feelings" from CNN.

    How about ignorant?? (5.00 / 6) (#35)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:12:35 PM EST
    The Vice President has nothing to do with the White House kitchens. And I doubt that if Hillary is VP that Michelle will be inviting her and Bill over for intimate policy dinners. So, why worry about the food?? Just goes to show you how ignorance can lead to stupidity. Or vice versa. Heh.

    [ Parent ]
    and even if they did... (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:15:46 PM EST
    HRC|=Lucretia Borgia

    [ Parent ]
    She must believe (5.00 / 10) (#49)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:18:19 PM EST
    that if Hillary is VP she will be bringing her master his coffee and donuts every morning.

    [ Parent ]
    Of course (5.00 / 11) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:19:55 PM EST
    right after she irons his shirts.

    [ Parent ]
    I believe that ... (5.00 / 3) (#151)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:48:43 PM EST
    ... Obama prefers waffles, literally and figuratively.

    But back on topic, who is this woman, and why does MSNBC put bimbos like her and that wispy, shaved-head African-American guy (can't think of his name - Jason somebody?) to speak so foolishly on behalf of the rest of us? Those two couldn't find their own arses in broad daylight with both hands, a mirror and illustrated directions.

    Are Beltway Democrats so politically inbred that this is the best we can produce?

    [ Parent ]

    Please do not call her a bimbo (5.00 / 2) (#172)
    by Newt on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:30:28 PM EST
    There's no use throwing more sexist language into the mix.  

    Giles comments were wrong, despicable, uninformed, manipulative, whatever you want to call them.  But calling her a bimbo is an inappropriate response.


    [ Parent ]

    Speaking of all things VP.... (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:56:58 PM EST
    With so many missteps by obama, who knows if he will even get to the WH...link

    [ Parent ]
    Apparently this scenerio was talked (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:45:02 AM EST
    about on a call-in show (the dj was aa) and he said 99%of his callers said Obama would have to hire a food taster, so she didn't just pull it out of thin air. Stupid, yeah!! But look at some of the comments around (perhaps some of my own included)which are filled w/hate (mine are not hateful), a feeling of entitlement etc.

    The first person to say it (5.00 / 4) (#181)
    by janarchy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:42:20 PM EST
    was Alex Castellano on CNN during one primary night. Followed by Joe Madison on MSNBC a week or two later. It's now the in-thing to say it.

    I'm surprised Susan Sarandon didn't add that to her "Oh, Obama's for change, Clinton's just for power" comment.

    And people wonder why some of us find the 'new' Democrats as heinous as any right-wing-nut like Michelle Malkin.

    [ Parent ]

    No difference (none / 0) (#185)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:54:53 PM EST
    after all, Malkin's pro-war, supply side, blame the poor, completely cavalier about the environment, positivly vicious and gutteral when attacking opponents and "the new Democrats" deem to, on occasion, criticize HRC.

    Little to choose between them.

    [ Parent ]

    Considering (5.00 / 3) (#195)
    by janarchy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:17:13 PM EST
    these 'new' Democrats rubberstamp everything Obama has to say and have no compunction to smear anyone who disagrees with them, I'd say there isn't. They even have their own core bloviating talking heads including Keith Olbermann. Likening HRC to David Duke fits in beautifully.

    Sorry, there's no difference to me anymore. Good good, 'Democrats'.

    [ Parent ]

    Timesaver. Take your pick (5.00 / 11) (#4)
    by Burned on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:46:40 AM EST
    abhorrent, abominable, awful, beastly, creepy, detestable, foul, gross, hateful, hideous, loathsome, nasty, nauseating, noisome, obscene, odious, offensive, rebarbative, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, shocking, vile, yucky

    asinine, crazy, daffy, daft, fatuous, foolhardy, foolish, inane, ridiculous, senseless, silly, stupid, absurd, harebrained, imbecilic, insane, lunatic, mad, moronic, nonsensical, preposterous, silly, softheaded, tomfool, unearthly, zany

    I'm partial to rebarbative and softheaded.

    I'm partial to the lower half and middle (5.00 / 8) (#14)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:53:14 AM EST
    of the alphabet.

    abominable, detestable, loathsome, nauseating and obscene

    [ Parent ]

    recent escapee (5.00 / 7) (#18)
    by aquarian on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:57:18 AM EST
    from primordial ooze?

    [ Parent ]
    Wasn't that Crazy Eddy? (5.00 / 4) (#37)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:14:14 PM EST
    Who use to yell that the prices are insane?

    There seems to be some people who want to unite and then there are some people who do not care how much they insult Hillary supporters. And he still has to get over 50%.

    [ Parent ]

    Crazy Eddie.... (none / 0) (#69)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:28:12 PM EST
    The Darth Vader of Capitalism (Sorry OT, but I can't stand that crook:)

    [ Parent ]
    Excuse me while I pop out for a bit (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:14:42 PM EST
    I have to look up rebarbative.....why does this only happen to me on Talkleft :)

    [ Parent ]
    rebarbative? (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by noholib on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:17:56 PM EST
    Yes, I too was about to ask about that one, but thought maybe I shouldn't be so lazy and should consult a dictionary myself.  But, if anyone can spare me the trouble, ... I'd be much obliged! Thanks.

    [ Parent ]
    Sure (5.00 / 6) (#53)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:20:47 PM EST
    re·bar·ba·tive [ri brbətiv]
    adj
     repellent: unpleasant, annoying, or forbidding (formal)  

    Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



    [ Parent ]
    Rebarbative (5.00 / 6) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:22:06 PM EST
    Serving or tending to irritate or repel.

    It was the word of the day on January 3, 2003 at dictionary.com :)

    [ Parent ]

    Leave the dictionary in the (none / 0) (#74)
    by Molly Pitcher on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:31:13 PM EST
    bookcase.  If you have a google space up top, just type in the word (or fact) you want to check.  Go there and then just click the back arrow till you are once again here.  (Sorry about terminology--I am using a Linux OS and things are labeled a bit differently sometimes.)

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, I had to look it up too. (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Burned on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:37:02 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I call harebrained esp for Bugs Bunnyesque schemes (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:20:58 PM EST
    I'm still not done having a blast with "bonkers", though, the standard hokey fifties word the Bush admin trundled out to dismiss wacky liberal "conspiracies" -- all of which were demonstrably true even at the time.

    Whenever Scott MacLellan would say "bonkers" in one of his sweaty briefings, I'd be awash in pleasure.

    Maybe it's just me, but I love the fact that it's in the official archives -- a LOT.

    [ Parent ]

    "What a maroooooon" is my favorite. (5.00 / 6) (#108)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:02:36 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    In our house there are "morons", (5.00 / 3) (#136)
    by samanthasmom on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:28:44 PM EST
    and then there are "moroffs".

    [ Parent ]
    like that one too... (none / 0) (#180)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:41:53 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I'll take odious for $100, Burned. (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by suki on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:56:00 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Who can put a stop to this (5.00 / 11) (#5)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:47:07 AM EST
    forget about on blogs,  we're not even talking about that right now.  Although thats my obsession, this is insanity of a different order.  Sanctioned insanity.  Dem party platform put it in the literature insanity.  

    Who can put a stop to this?

    The "one" who can put a stop to (5.00 / 13) (#8)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:48:34 AM EST
    this, chooses not to!!!!

    [ Parent ]
    not even (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:50:50 AM EST
    axelfraud?  Does he approve of this too?

    [ Parent ]
    Approve? (5.00 / 6) (#58)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:22:12 PM EST
    He's the design architect.


    [ Parent ]
    do you ever recall any Dem leaders (4.94 / 19) (#26)
    by Josey on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:05:57 PM EST
    standing up to call BS on Obama camp and the media "interpreting" Hillary's remarks as racist? or her "motive" that she wished Obama were assassinated?
    As Cohen of WaPo wrote: "even the people in the rainforest knew what Hillary meant by her RFK remark." But Howard Dean and Congressional Dems were silent...
    And they were silent when Hillary cited exit polling data that white working class wasn't voting for Obama - a consequence of Wright's racist rants and Obama calling Dems "racists."  Dem leaders were silent while Hillary was accused of racism - simply for reporting data.

    These Dems make the Bush administration look good.

    [ Parent ]

    Obama never called anyone a racist (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by samtaylor2 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:25:48 PM EST
    Please keep to the facts

    [ Parent ]
    no one had to tell voters in PA, WV, KY... (5.00 / 9) (#141)
    by Josey on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:36:58 PM EST
    what Obama meant when he explained to his billionaire donors that Dems weren't voting for him because of their antipathy toward people who don't look like them.
    Obama said this while a member of a church that spews racist rants from the pulpit.
    Obamedia only focused on the "guns and religion" part of his bitter comment - but voters got Obama's hypocrisy on racism.


    [ Parent ]
    Well, he does have a new page (5.00 / 7) (#52)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:20:00 PM EST
    up on his website, according to this story...it's is supposed to dispel rumors. He has people searching the net for rumors about him and then they are refuted on the new anti-rumor page on his website. And it is being lauded by Obama supporters  as the greatest thing since canned beer. It is another sign of how wonderfully he connects to people through the internet. The first sign was his online fundraising. Sometimes I really wonder about those people, I really do. Sigh.

    [ Parent ]
    I read (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:27:45 PM EST
    about this and laughed. It's something that he should have done a YEAR ago not now. This stuff has been in the subconscious of voters for at least 9 month. A Republican sent me this stuff last fall. The information on snopes really doesn't help much either.

    [ Parent ]
    Since Obama is the KING of reactionary (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:29:19 PM EST
    politics, all this kind of website and actions do is make even MORE people get out and send mis-information about him and his campaign.

    Stick, meet tiger cage.

    Absolutely amateurish.  Whatta tool.

    [ Parent ]

    Yeah, it's a great tool for the GOP. (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by MarkL on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:31:38 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Wasn't there someone on TL yesterday (5.00 / 4) (#126)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:19:13 PM EST
    that said because we tell the truth (in their eyes we lie) about obama, we are helping the GOP?

    [ Parent ]
    Can we get him to dispel the rumor (5.00 / 11) (#98)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:54:07 PM EST
    that Hillary is out to commit murder most foul?  I'll see if I can submit this to that site.  I mean, if Nancy Giles is literally worried about poison, surely that is a misconception that should be dispelled.

    [ Parent ]
    Can't dispell until they find Hillary Clinton. (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:10:47 PM EST
    The press is obsessed w/her absence since her Sat. speech.

    [ Parent ]
    The Howler says Sally Quinn (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:26:00 PM EST
    recommended a soul-searching retreat to help
    Give up the naked ambition, the lust for power
    .

    I prefer to think she is throwing darts at Sally Quinn and Maureen Dowd cardboard figures.

    [ Parent ]

    Nah.... (none / 0) (#148)
    by oldpro on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:45:06 PM EST
    perfecting the mushroom recipe....

    [ Parent ]
    I hope she is (5.00 / 5) (#176)
    by camellia on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:37:22 PM EST
    on a beautiful island in the south Pacific, with no CNN, MSNBC, or NYT, and that she is sleeping till noon and spending the afternoon under an umbrella on the beach, with Bill bringing her drinks with little umbrellas and giving her foot massages.    And seems to me that she's the one who should worry about food tasting, after the hatefest directed at her.

    [ Parent ]
    You cannot dispel the truth and that is (5.00 / 4) (#124)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:17:15 PM EST
    the rub...some of these supposed rumors turn out to be true.  He won't be able to cut off the swiftboating.  He is doing a great job of sinking himself.

    [ Parent ]
    Sanctioned insanity....perfect wording (5.00 / 7) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:16:18 PM EST
    BTD has been calling people out on it from the start of the primary and it tends to really chap them.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama (5.00 / 6) (#88)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:44:48 PM EST
    Has to be the one to stop it. He can't continue to play coy and say "it's not us". Also there should be a way of tracing this women to someone. Somebody is paying her and I'd like to know who. If the Dem lose in November it won't be because of Hilary. It will be because Obama failed to reign in his surrogates. This coming from a "Democrat" is just not acceptable and the whole party needs to come down on this type of activity done in their name.

    [ Parent ]
    Bwhahahaha (5.00 / 13) (#6)
    by Faust on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:48:12 AM EST
    In addition to boggling over the general stupidity of her comment I metaphorically feel sick when people use the term literally in that way even if it is a commonplace usage.

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by eric on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:01:34 PM EST
    it is possible that she is using it correctly.  Maybe she does actually, truly, feel that way.  Then, I think it is ok.  Although I guess that I would use the word "truly".

    [ Parent ]
    It's not necessarily incorrect (5.00 / 1) (#178)
    by Faust on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:39:27 PM EST
    There is a debate about this usage. Using the world "literally" for emphasis (as a substitute for "really") is quite common. STRICTLY speaking it's considered a usage problem. However, it's so common that it can be argued that it needs to be considered a valid use of the word.

    Weirdly I hear people using this on the news all the time. It's extremely common in newscasting. I have no idea why. Maybe because they are so divorced from reality they need to emphasize things are really really literally real.  

    In any case it irritates me. I guess I'm just too literal a person :P

    [ Parent ]

    As a former English teach, (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by mkevinf on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:03:38 PM EST
    all I can say to you is LOL!  Great post!

    [ Parent ]
    i literally (5.00 / 12) (#7)
    by Turkana on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:48:19 AM EST
    just spewed all over my keyboard. as literally as giles does anything literally, that is. literally apparently.

    This woman is a nut (5.00 / 15) (#9)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:48:47 AM EST
    Democratic "strategist"?  What is her strategy to malign Clinton?  There must be a reason for Obama supporters to feel that they still have to do so.  You see, this makes me never want to support Obama under any circumstances.

    Perhaps I will be deleted here, (5.00 / 6) (#11)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:51:24 AM EST
    but does anyone else equate the "hate speech" we have seen emerge over these months with the "hate speech" coming out of Trinity Church? If this is the "change" we can look forward to, we are all in very, deep trouble!!! I bet Dan Abrams didn't even respond to her statement.

    [ Parent ]
    Very perceptivet (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:08:56 PM EST
    I never thought of that.  It is hate-filled and I "hate" it.

    [ Parent ]
    Not just the hate speech, but (5.00 / 3) (#61)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:24:04 PM EST
    I think we're seeing the influence of Rev Wright, Father Pfleger, et al on Obama through this aggressive effort to bring religion into this process at such a high level.


    [ Parent ]
    I agree (5.00 / 4) (#95)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:52:40 PM EST
    Obama (and the Dems) is delving into too much religion.  Shades of Rev. Wright and Fr. Phleger sounds right to me.  Note, both preachers had huge involved congregations.  Scary to me.

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry, but everytime I see the name (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:22:09 PM EST
    Pfleger, reminds me of Phlegm....

    [ Parent ]
    I Like (5.00 / 0) (#201)
    by DFLer on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:45:48 PM EST
    Somerby's name: Father Eminem

    [ Parent ]
    Has Wright been quiet lately? (5.00 / 0) (#140)
    by Fabian on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:33:12 PM EST
    Religious Outreach keeps Wright quiet?

    [ Parent ]
    Wright is putting the finishing touches (none / 0) (#153)
    by samanthasmom on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:49:16 PM EST
    on his new book due out this fall.  Book tour anyone?

    [ Parent ]
    Not only do they not want Clinton on the ticket (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:26:03 PM EST
    but they're not even smart enough to put her on the reserve list just in case all their hoping and changing doesn't pan out.

    Was even Nixon treated this badly by the press?

    [ Parent ]

    In a word, (none / 0) (#179)
    by camellia on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:39:32 PM EST
    No.

    [ Parent ]
    Who the h*ll is Nancy Giles (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by shoephone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:51:44 AM EST
    and why is she considered a Democrat?

    Is it the Nancy Giles who does commentary... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:09:43 PM EST
    ...on Sunday Morning show? I thought she was a commediene....now she is a political strategist?

    [ Parent ]
    A comedian seems right (5.00 / 5) (#31)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:10:51 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Nancy Giles:Comedian (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by Brookhaven on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:32:58 PM EST
    An oxymoron with emphasis on moroon.

    And, so original with the rapier wit of a dull butter knife.

    Someone needs to find a cure for CDS and it should then become part of the Dem Party Platform.

    [ Parent ]

    Just like (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:35:44 PM EST
    Dennis Miller, apparently. Another "brilliant" political mind.

    [ Parent ]
    Oh no, is it (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:58:16 PM EST
    that Nancy Giles? Well, I've yet to see signs of intelligence there.  Why is she speaking for Democrats?

    [ Parent ]
    Because she hates the Clintons? (5.00 / 10) (#112)
    by tree on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:06:47 PM EST
    I hear its a job requirement for being an "analyst" at NBC.

    [ Parent ]
    Why is Stephanie Miller...another (none / 0) (#137)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:29:22 PM EST
    comedienne, who went completely overboard for obama and never had another objective thing to say.

    [ Parent ]
    Nancy Giles, actress and comedienne (none / 0) (#132)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:24:46 PM EST
    link

    [ Parent ]
    I was wondering that myself (none / 0) (#206)
    by splashy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:57:56 PM EST
    If so, I really liked her commentaries on Sunday Morning. This is just nuts.

    Geez, another one bites the dust in my list of favorites. They are dropping like flies! They've all gone crazy or something.

    Make ya wonder just who Obama is, that so many seem to go off the deep end because of him. I don't get it.

    [ Parent ]

    Googled for Nancy Giles--lots of hits (none / 0) (#115)
    by jawbone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:10:31 PM EST
    Clinton would murder Obama? (5.00 / 12) (#13)
    by dianem on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:51:49 AM EST
    And they wonder why we say that some Obama supporter's are acting like cult members. She actually has bought the "Clinton is ambitious" argument to the point where she will publicly say that she thinks that Clinton would poison Obama. And she isn't being metaphoricl - she is quite clear on this. I've read paranoid ramblings on the net, but I tend to discount them as ... well, paranoid ramblings. But I sometimes forget that the people on the net live out int he real world, and most of them are not losers who live in their parent's basement. They include people who are considered respnsible enough to get on television. Of course, Maryscott O'Connor got on television. Nuff said.

    because she's a "monster," of course, (5.00 / 11) (#44)
    by mary kate on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:15:45 PM EST
    and she'd do anything (anything!) to win.  

    Remember when this stuff only came from half-crazed extremists on the loonier fringes of the right wing?  Yeah, those were the days.

    [ Parent ]

    Yet, all the negative campaigning (5.00 / 8) (#65)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:26:18 PM EST
    was put squarely on the Clinton campaign.

    No outrage at this comment v. June was the month of the primary when RFK was assassinated.

    But, we're all imagining that Clinton was unfairly treated by the media.

    [ Parent ]

    Do they actually believe (5.00 / 6) (#16)
    by Foxx on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:55:14 AM EST
    this new vs old politics stuff? Not to mention old FDR politics are hard to beat.

    the believe Obama's "new" schtick (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Josey on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:10:04 PM EST
    but it's really just repackaging of the old schtick.
    It's the same can of beer the media sold with Bush.


    [ Parent ]
    remember Billy Beer? (none / 0) (#138)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:30:49 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I'd be happy.... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:56:42 AM EST
    if all the strategists and consultants of both parties got canned tomorrow...maybe the elected officials and candidates would follow their consciences and do what they think is right, instead of what is good "strategy".

    Why stop there....throw out the msm (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:32:01 PM EST
    the radio talk show hosts, and TV's talking heads...they have all contributed to the ugliness of this campaign cycle.

    [ Parent ]
    BTD - there's always Yiddish for insults (5.00 / 10) (#19)
    by shoephone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:57:23 AM EST
    Eveything sounds better (or worse) in Yiddish.

    She's an am horetz (ignoramus)
    a khaloshes (disgusting, revolting thing)

    and, of course, she's plainly meshuga
    and you know what that is.

    disgusting (5.00 / 13) (#20)
    by kempis on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:57:25 AM EST
    And this is another reason I hope Hillary does not end up on the ticket. There are a LOT of nuts like this in the Obamasphere. I'm tired of seeing Hillary vilified like this.

    Let Obama run without her. Then let her run in 2012 against President McCain. By then, all that will be left of Obama when the GOP is done with him is a Kerryesque grease spot.

    (Disclaimer: I will vote for Obama. I just won't be happy about it. He's simply the lesser of two evils.)

    This is one of the reasons (5.00 / 4) (#68)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:28:05 PM EST
    you can be sure she isn't being considered for the ticket.

    They are trying to poll well enough without her, and point out she is just too much of a risk for Obama's personal well-being.


    [ Parent ]

    Thank you (none / 0) (#50)
    by Claw on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:19:44 PM EST
    For that vote.  This was a disgusting, stupid comment.  But then, even the dems have disgusting, stupid people.

    [ Parent ]
    Nancy Giles (5.00 / 5) (#22)
    by Lahdee on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:00:48 PM EST
    I hear she's headed back to therapy now. "But Doctor, she did put a spider in my shoe, I swear."

    "Now, Now Nancy, just drink this koolaide and everything will be fine."

    By distributing Olbermann's rant, Obama's (5.00 / 17) (#23)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:01:03 PM EST
    campaign IMO encouraged this type of thinking. Obama supporters who continue to spread this vile crap is one of the main reasons why I am against Hillary as a VP candidate. Let Obama and the NEW Democratic Party prove that they are viable on their own.

    Darn it! Every time I try to bepragmatic about BO (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by jawbone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:12:16 PM EST
    stuff like this reminds why I'll need a gas mask in the voting booth. Holding my nose just won't make it.

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    Stay Pragmatic!! Gas masks are expensive. (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by indy in sc on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:57:37 PM EST
    I agree the comments by Giles were wrong and vile, but her comments (or those of any other pundit, expert or strategist not connected to either side's campaigns) shouldn't make you feel better or worse about the candidate. They can't control what is said by such people. Yes, the candidates could come out and denounce them--but that is a slippery slope and they would be denouncing all day long. It just invites questions about "why did you denounce this comment and not this other one?". I don't expect McCain to denounce the "terrorist fist jab" or "baby mama" comments made by fox commentators.

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    Wow. I can't get my jaw up off the floor. (5.00 / 12) (#25)
    by rooge04 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:05:16 PM EST
    LITERALLY she's saying that Hillary WANTS to murder Obama. Literally, I want to hit her. LITERALLY.

    Nancy Giles is literally a shameless hack (5.00 / 15) (#27)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:06:41 PM EST
    There, BTD, now you can't say nobody here fights for your honor.

    I think she has problems (5.00 / 5) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:10:59 PM EST
    acknowledging her own unfounded anger and hatred of Clinton and she's projecting it onto Clinton.  What a grotestque and horrific daydreamer she is.  I knew all those sequels to 'Saw' were going to mess someone up :)   No need to name call when I can give free armchair analysis.  I have successfully survived raising one teenager though so I'm practically an expert :)  Oh yeah, and no more caffeine either for Nancy Giles!

    gee BTD, does the word (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by cpinva on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:11:10 PM EST
    stupid ring a bell for you? and, as someone else noted, she's not even original, whoever she is.

    she doesn't know why, she just "literally feels that way." yeah, that's some kind of critically insightfull analysis there.

    and so it continues, the longest running show on broadway, performances 24/7/365, SRO. the theatre's never dark for the "let's bash hillary" extravaganza.

    Is this the right Nancy Giles?? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:13:12 PM EST
    Nancy Giles
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nancy Giles (born July 17, 1960 in New York City) is an American actress and comedienne. She is a graduate of Oberlin College.

    Giles is a writer and contributor to CBS News Sunday Morning. She was the announcer and co-host of the alternative morning show Fox After Breakfast. She starred in two ABC television series, playing girl GI Frankie Bunsen for three seasons on China Beach and hostile waitress Connie on the sitcom Delta. She has had guest roles on shows including The Jury, L.A. Law, Spin City, Law & Order, Dream On, and The Fresh Prince of Bel Air. She appeared in the 1985 Broadway production of the musical Mayor.

    Giles and a CBS colleague, correspondent Erin Moriarty, have collaborated on two public-affairs radio series under the Giles and Moriarty banner, one for WPHT in Philadelphia and another for Greenstone Media. Both shows were produced at the facilities of the CBS Radio Network.

    Giles gave the commencement address for the Ramapo College Class of 2007


    I don't see why some are so (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:14:26 PM EST
    "shocked" at this statement. When Hillary invoked (RFK)the primaries in june 1968, she was villified for wanting Obama shot!!!

    I couldn't understand (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by ding7777 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:34:53 PM EST
    Obama's camp taking Hillary's (RFK)comment out of context and ferociously escalating it... unless they were trying to dampen support for her as a VP candidate.

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    This will help party unity (5.00 / 9) (#47)
    by catfish on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:17:42 PM EST
    definitely.

    If party unity starts with warm and fuzzy (5.00 / 8) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:36:58 PM EST
    I'm feeling very fuzzy about things and I'm also starting to feel VERY WARM about some things as well.

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    I literally want to donate to McCain (5.00 / 10) (#57)
    by MarkL on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:22:11 PM EST
    when I read comments like this.

    Yeah, me too. (5.00 / 4) (#71)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:29:09 PM EST
    I won't.  At least, I keep thinking I won't but then this stuff keeps coming out.

    A long, stupid, hot summer.

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    I'm with you (5.00 / 7) (#94)
    by Nadai on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:51:43 PM EST
    I should probably stop reading the blogs or I'm going to end up campaigning for McCain.  I've already changed my voter's registration to unaffiliated and sworn not to vote for Obama.  I'm running out of ways to express my disgust for people like Giles without actively supporting the Republicans.

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    Obamans (5.00 / 7) (#85)
    by madamab on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:39:32 PM EST
    have gone so far into insanity, I don't know what rehabilitation program could bring them back.

    They keep suggesting that Hillary wants to murder Obama.

    Seriously.

    In what universe is that okay?

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    UCC churches. (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by MarkL on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:40:04 PM EST


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    You mean TUCC churches. (5.00 / 7) (#113)
    by madamab on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:07:40 PM EST
    UCC is totally different.

    Otherwise - you're right and this scares the he** out of me.

    I am LITERALLY becoming terrified of what Barack Obama would do as President.

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    I'm waiting for the UCC to (5.00 / 3) (#119)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:14:18 PM EST
    distance itself from TUCC, the largest congregation in the UCC.

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    They haven't yet?! (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by madamab on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:19:40 PM EST
    Good point, then.

    I keep thinking of my own UCC experience, singing in the choir at one of the churches in Westchester County. Let's just say it was about as far from Reverend Wright's style as humanly possible.

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    Agreed. My daughter went to SUNY (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:41:43 PM EST
    Purchase.

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    Double-Edged Sword (5.00 / 9) (#59)
    by NYCDem11 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:22:20 PM EST
    The Obama camp benefited from this sort of coverage and disdain for Hillary during the primary season, but it could be his total undoing in the general election, now that he needs Hillary's supporters to win. Interesting to watch him try to piece together even a VP selection committee without including any Washington insiders. Boy, setting up campaign teams -- and later, possibly, an administration -- without anyone who has a Washington resume will be tough. Good luck to him.

    And keep it up, Obama supporters. See how far this sort of disrespect gets you.

    I think the simple word is "wrong." (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by indy in sc on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:22:57 PM EST
    Not just factually wrong, which is important-- but wrong for trying to perpetuate the caricature of the Clintons as evil empire. Pundits go on tv and try to say something "sexy" so they'll be invited back. There's no sexy story in a narrative that Hillary as VP would work with the president (with trying to "sabotage" him) to achieve common goals--boring.

    Woops (none / 0) (#152)
    by indy in sc on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:48:55 PM EST
    I meant "without" trying to sabotage him.

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    Old Politics at Work (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by santarita on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:25:21 PM EST
    One of the Obama-Dean strategies for success was to totally destroy the Clinton brand through the politics of personal destruction.  Maybe  the Obama surrogates have not gotten the message of "Mission Accomplished"  or maybe there is a need to continue the destruction because they don't want Clinton on the ticket.  

    If they are interested in party unity, Obama will need to come out very forcefully and stop this nonsense.  Maybe he can put something on his new website to correct smears.

    This woman (5.00 / 8) (#66)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:26:35 PM EST
    is a harbinger of Democratic spokespeople, sad to say.

    This is beyond ridiculous and insane.  This is probably going to be the election that will do many a citizen in, with respect to participation.  When you have THIS many morons spewing this PARANOID and crazy sh1t it just makes people disgusted and sit at home.

    Who's the jerk that schedules these types?  My guess would be the same ones who schedule Ann Coulter and other out-of-bound, media sellouts.


    This is confirmation (5.00 / 11) (#70)
    by OxyCon on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:29:03 PM EST
    ...of the "Clinton hating wing" of the Dem party. Much of Obama's support comes from the Clinton haters.
    There's nothing better I'd like to see than the Clinton haters reaping what they have sown. They are the spiters (sic), not me. They are the ones who are letting spite cloud their judgment as to who would have been best at running this country.
    IMO, they have turned their backs on the best qualified person to lead this country out of the dark abyss Bush has created because they are petty, juvenile, spite filled people.
    It's all about ridding the Dem party of the Clintons, and this isn't too smart when you consider there are 18 million of us who respect the job (emphasis on the word job) that the Clintons have done, who also have their back.
    Barack Obama hasn't done s**t for this country (yet). He still has a very long way to go to earn my respect. The Clintons have my respect based on what they have done for America and no one can ever change that fact, no matter how rabid a Clinton hater they are.

    Reading Somerby's report on Nancy Giles (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by gish720 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:29:27 PM EST
    was bad, but reading about Michael Crowley and the comments on his site was enough to make me feel that I just can't vote for Obama, not when his supporters feel they must lift Obama up by trashing the Clintons. When and if Obama slaps that down, I would reluctantly vote for him. It's a long way from that being the case now.

    I think this is too typical (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by djork on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:32:13 PM EST
    I think there is too significant a segment of Obama's supporters, including among his closest advisors, who think this way - Hillary is so evil she'd murder Obama - that there is zero chance she'll be his running mate. I actually wish the subject of Hillary as Veep would drop. It's not going to happen.

    Giles is a Zell Millerst from the (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by pluege on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:33:24 PM EST
    LIEberman wing of the democratic party. (And there ain't much fouler than that.)

    And it probably went unchallenged, (5.00 / 11) (#80)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:34:52 PM EST
    which is the real measure of the inanity that now substitutes for even minimally intelligent content.  

    Yes, it's her opinion, and we're all entitled to have and express them - Abrams asked her what she thought, after all - but is it a given that an opinion is somehow allowed to represent some sort of truth just because someone in a booth pasted the title "Analyst" under her name - or anyone else's name?  Where is the person who, hearing that garbage, should have asked, "Are you seriously sitting her telling us that you think the Senator from New York and former First Lady, the person who came within a hair of being the nominee, actually wants to murder Senator Obama?  Where does someone come up with a `feeling' like that, Nancy, and still be viewed not just as credible, but mentally intact?"

    Well, the pushback would come if someone had blurped out something equally off-the-wall and attributed it to their "feelings" about what Obama might be thinking; look out, World - it would be wall-to-wall outrage and umbrage, op-eds and serious panels of serious people and Extra-Super-Duper-Special Comments.  They'd want us all wearing armbands in solidarity.

    Honestly, I don't think there was this much hate for Saddam, and we started a war over that guy...


    watched this last night (5.00 / 2) (#164)
    by CHDmom on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:05:17 PM EST
    and was shocked that she said it and was VERY serious, but what shocked me even more was the rest of the panel didn't even blink, and just kept talking like it was common knowledge and nothing wrong with her suggesting if Hillary was the VP she would have Obama killed. PUMA

    [ Parent ]
    The Obama campaign and surrogates (5.00 / 7) (#89)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:47:05 PM EST
    can get away with anything they want in this climate.  But the fallout/backlash will happen.  It may occur after the election.  But right now, they can say anything they want to. With Bush's approval rating, with the direction of the country, the surrogates and pseudosurrogates can say anything they want to.

    They can also do anything they want to. They've moved DNC operations to Chicago.  Apparently, the Chicago way is the DNC way now.  I'm sure this move will find its way into 527 ads.

    Link

    I hope that someday the Democrats nominate someone who doesn't literally scare the bee-jeezus out of me.

    It doesn't 'beg the question'? (5.00 / 3) (#90)
    by Demi Moaned on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:47:22 PM EST
    It 'raises the question'.

    Begging the question is a form of logical fallacy:

    To beg the question does not mean "to raise the question." (e.g. "It begs the question, why is he so dumb?") This is a common error of usage made by those who mistake the word "question" in the phrase to refer to a literal question. Sadly, the error has grown more and more common with time, such that even journalists, advertisers, and major mass media entities have fallen prey to "BTQ Abuse."

    I wouldn't even bother to point it out, except that we're generally more finicky here than at other blogs.

    True (none / 0) (#122)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:15:04 PM EST
    but it no longer really means that in common usage therefore . . .

    [ Parent ]
    Does to me. . . (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:57:14 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Building to a crescendo (none / 0) (#149)
    by Demi Moaned on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:46:11 PM EST
    The same can be said for this phrase. But I'm still disappointed when educated writers use it.

    [ Parent ]
    How do you like "transitioning"? (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:47:37 PM EST


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