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Via Somerby, Nancy Giles, who claims to be a Democratic political strategist (NOTE: Apparently not. Just a random Democrat. Which begs the question, why is she on TV?):

ABRAMS (6/11/08): Well, let me ask you this. Nancy, if the numbers show—if it’s close by the time he has to make the decision, and the numbers show in the polls that Hillary could make the difference, would that make the difference to you?

GILES: No. [. . .] No, it’s not worth losing over because I don’t think he’ll lose...I think it would be a real liability. But his whole campaign is new—change, not old politics. And Hillary—look, if he gets Hillary as his VP, he’s got to hire somebody to be the official presidential taster because you don’t know what`s going to be in your food. You don’t know what could happen. I literally feel that way.

(Emphasis supplied.) She literally feels that way. Oy. What synonyms can be used for the words disgusting and idiotic? Because I am not allowed to name call at Talk Left.

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    How about "unoriginal"? (5.00 / 9) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:44:17 AM EST
    She's such a bad "strategist" that she had to steal her "feelings" from CNN.

    How about ignorant?? (5.00 / 6) (#35)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:12:35 PM EST
    The Vice President has nothing to do with the White House kitchens. And I doubt that if Hillary is VP that Michelle will be inviting her and Bill over for intimate policy dinners. So, why worry about the food?? Just goes to show you how ignorance can lead to stupidity. Or vice versa. Heh.

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    and even if they did... (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:15:46 PM EST
    HRC|=Lucretia Borgia

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    She must believe (5.00 / 9) (#49)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:18:19 PM EST
    that if Hillary is VP she will be bringing her master his coffee and donuts every morning.

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    Of course (5.00 / 10) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:19:55 PM EST
    right after she irons his shirts.

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    Please do not call her a bimbo (5.00 / 2) (#172)
    by Newt on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:30:28 PM EST
    There's no use throwing more sexist language into the mix.  

    Giles comments were wrong, despicable, uninformed, manipulative, whatever you want to call them.  But calling her a bimbo is an inappropriate response.


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    Speaking of all things VP.... (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:56:58 PM EST
    With so many missteps by obama, who knows if he will even get to the WH...link

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    Apparently this scenerio was talked (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:45:02 AM EST
    about on a call-in show (the dj was aa) and he said 99%of his callers said Obama would have to hire a food taster, so she didn't just pull it out of thin air. Stupid, yeah!! But look at some of the comments around (perhaps some of my own included)which are filled w/hate (mine are not hateful), a feeling of entitlement etc.

    The first person to say it (5.00 / 4) (#181)
    by janarchy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:42:20 PM EST
    was Alex Castellano on CNN during one primary night. Followed by Joe Madison on MSNBC a week or two later. It's now the in-thing to say it.

    I'm surprised Susan Sarandon didn't add that to her "Oh, Obama's for change, Clinton's just for power" comment.

    And people wonder why some of us find the 'new' Democrats as heinous as any right-wing-nut like Michelle Malkin.

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    No difference (none / 0) (#185)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:54:53 PM EST
    after all, Malkin's pro-war, supply side, blame the poor, completely cavalier about the environment, positivly vicious and gutteral when attacking opponents and "the new Democrats" deem to, on occasion, criticize HRC.

    Little to choose between them.

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    Considering (5.00 / 3) (#195)
    by janarchy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:17:13 PM EST
    these 'new' Democrats rubberstamp everything Obama has to say and have no compunction to smear anyone who disagrees with them, I'd say there isn't. They even have their own core bloviating talking heads including Keith Olbermann. Likening HRC to David Duke fits in beautifully.

    Sorry, there's no difference to me anymore. Good good, 'Democrats'.

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    Timesaver. Take your pick (5.00 / 11) (#4)
    by Burned on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:46:40 AM EST
    abhorrent, abominable, awful, beastly, creepy, detestable, foul, gross, hateful, hideous, loathsome, nasty, nauseating, noisome, obscene, odious, offensive, rebarbative, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, shocking, vile, yucky

    asinine, crazy, daffy, daft, fatuous, foolhardy, foolish, inane, ridiculous, senseless, silly, stupid, absurd, harebrained, imbecilic, insane, lunatic, mad, moronic, nonsensical, preposterous, silly, softheaded, tomfool, unearthly, zany

    I'm partial to rebarbative and softheaded.

    I'm partial to the lower half and middle (5.00 / 8) (#14)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:53:14 AM EST
    of the alphabet.

    abominable, detestable, loathsome, nauseating and obscene

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    recent escapee (5.00 / 7) (#18)
    by aquarian on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:57:18 AM EST
    from primordial ooze?

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    Wasn't that Crazy Eddy? (5.00 / 4) (#37)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:14:14 PM EST
    Who use to yell that the prices are insane?

    There seems to be some people who want to unite and then there are some people who do not care how much they insult Hillary supporters. And he still has to get over 50%.

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    Crazy Eddie.... (none / 0) (#69)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:28:12 PM EST
    The Darth Vader of Capitalism (Sorry OT, but I can't stand that crook:)

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    Excuse me while I pop out for a bit (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:14:42 PM EST
    I have to look up rebarbative.....why does this only happen to me on Talkleft :)

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    rebarbative? (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by noholib on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:17:56 PM EST
    Yes, I too was about to ask about that one, but thought maybe I shouldn't be so lazy and should consult a dictionary myself.  But, if anyone can spare me the trouble, ... I'd be much obliged! Thanks.

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    Sure (5.00 / 6) (#53)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:20:47 PM EST
    re·bar·ba·tive [ri brbətiv]
    adj
     repellent: unpleasant, annoying, or forbidding (formal)  

    Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



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    Rebarbative (5.00 / 6) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:22:06 PM EST
    Serving or tending to irritate or repel.

    It was the word of the day on January 3, 2003 at dictionary.com :)

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    Leave the dictionary in the (none / 0) (#74)
    by Molly Pitcher on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:31:13 PM EST
    bookcase.  If you have a google space up top, just type in the word (or fact) you want to check.  Go there and then just click the back arrow till you are once again here.  (Sorry about terminology--I am using a Linux OS and things are labeled a bit differently sometimes.)

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    Oh, I had to look it up too. (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Burned on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:37:02 PM EST
    I call harebrained esp for Bugs Bunnyesque schemes (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:20:58 PM EST
    I'm still not done having a blast with "bonkers", though, the standard hokey fifties word the Bush admin trundled out to dismiss wacky liberal "conspiracies" -- all of which were demonstrably true even at the time.

    Whenever Scott MacLellan would say "bonkers" in one of his sweaty briefings, I'd be awash in pleasure.

    Maybe it's just me, but I love the fact that it's in the official archives -- a LOT.

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    "What a maroooooon" is my favorite. (5.00 / 6) (#108)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:02:36 PM EST
    In our house there are "morons", (5.00 / 3) (#136)
    by samanthasmom on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:28:44 PM EST
    and then there are "moroffs".

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    like that one too... (none / 0) (#180)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:41:53 PM EST
    I'll take odious for $100, Burned. (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by suki on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:56:00 PM EST
    Who can put a stop to this (5.00 / 11) (#5)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:47:07 AM EST
    forget about on blogs,  we're not even talking about that right now.  Although thats my obsession, this is insanity of a different order.  Sanctioned insanity.  Dem party platform put it in the literature insanity.  

    Who can put a stop to this?

    The "one" who can put a stop to (5.00 / 13) (#8)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:48:34 AM EST
    this, chooses not to!!!!

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    not even (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:50:50 AM EST
    axelfraud?  Does he approve of this too?

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    Approve? (5.00 / 6) (#58)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:22:12 PM EST
    He's the design architect.


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    do you ever recall any Dem leaders (4.94 / 19) (#26)
    by Josey on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:05:57 PM EST
    standing up to call BS on Obama camp and the media "interpreting" Hillary's remarks as racist? or her "motive" that she wished Obama were assassinated?
    As Cohen of WaPo wrote: "even the people in the rainforest knew what Hillary meant by her RFK remark." But Howard Dean and Congressional Dems were silent...
    And they were silent when Hillary cited exit polling data that white working class wasn't voting for Obama - a consequence of Wright's racist rants and Obama calling Dems "racists."  Dem leaders were silent while Hillary was accused of racism - simply for reporting data.

    These Dems make the Bush administration look good.

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    Obama never called anyone a racist (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by samtaylor2 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:25:48 PM EST
    Please keep to the facts

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    no one had to tell voters in PA, WV, KY... (5.00 / 9) (#141)
    by Josey on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:36:58 PM EST
    what Obama meant when he explained to his billionaire donors that Dems weren't voting for him because of their antipathy toward people who don't look like them.
    Obama said this while a member of a church that spews racist rants from the pulpit.
    Obamedia only focused on the "guns and religion" part of his bitter comment - but voters got Obama's hypocrisy on racism.


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    Well, he does have a new page (5.00 / 7) (#52)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:20:00 PM EST
    up on his website, according to this story...it's is supposed to dispel rumors. He has people searching the net for rumors about him and then they are refuted on the new anti-rumor page on his website. And it is being lauded by Obama supporters  as the greatest thing since canned beer. It is another sign of how wonderfully he connects to people through the internet. The first sign was his online fundraising. Sometimes I really wonder about those people, I really do. Sigh.

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    I read (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:27:45 PM EST
    about this and laughed. It's something that he should have done a YEAR ago not now. This stuff has been in the subconscious of voters for at least 9 month. A Republican sent me this stuff last fall. The information on snopes really doesn't help much either.

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    Since Obama is the KING of reactionary (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:29:19 PM EST
    politics, all this kind of website and actions do is make even MORE people get out and send mis-information about him and his campaign.

    Stick, meet tiger cage.

    Absolutely amateurish.  Whatta tool.

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    Yeah, it's a great tool for the GOP. (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by MarkL on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:31:38 PM EST
    Wasn't there someone on TL yesterday (5.00 / 4) (#126)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:19:13 PM EST
    that said because we tell the truth (in their eyes we lie) about obama, we are helping the GOP?

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    Can we get him to dispel the rumor (5.00 / 11) (#98)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:54:07 PM EST
    that Hillary is out to commit murder most foul?  I'll see if I can submit this to that site.  I mean, if Nancy Giles is literally worried about poison, surely that is a misconception that should be dispelled.

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    Can't dispell until they find Hillary Clinton. (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:10:47 PM EST
    The press is obsessed w/her absence since her Sat. speech.

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    The Howler says Sally Quinn (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:26:00 PM EST
    recommended a soul-searching retreat to help
    Give up the naked ambition, the lust for power
    .

    I prefer to think she is throwing darts at Sally Quinn and Maureen Dowd cardboard figures.

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    Nah.... (none / 0) (#148)
    by oldpro on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:45:06 PM EST
    perfecting the mushroom recipe....

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    I hope she is (5.00 / 5) (#176)
    by camellia on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:37:22 PM EST
    on a beautiful island in the south Pacific, with no CNN, MSNBC, or NYT, and that she is sleeping till noon and spending the afternoon under an umbrella on the beach, with Bill bringing her drinks with little umbrellas and giving her foot massages.    And seems to me that she's the one who should worry about food tasting, after the hatefest directed at her.

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    You cannot dispel the truth and that is (5.00 / 4) (#124)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:17:15 PM EST
    the rub...some of these supposed rumors turn out to be true.  He won't be able to cut off the swiftboating.  He is doing a great job of sinking himself.

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    Sanctioned insanity....perfect wording (5.00 / 7) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:16:18 PM EST
    BTD has been calling people out on it from the start of the primary and it tends to really chap them.

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    Obama (5.00 / 6) (#88)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:44:48 PM EST
    Has to be the one to stop it. He can't continue to play coy and say "it's not us". Also there should be a way of tracing this women to someone. Somebody is paying her and I'd like to know who. If the Dem lose in November it won't be because of Hilary. It will be because Obama failed to reign in his surrogates. This coming from a "Democrat" is just not acceptable and the whole party needs to come down on this type of activity done in their name.

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    Bwhahahaha (5.00 / 13) (#6)
    by Faust on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:48:12 AM EST
    In addition to boggling over the general stupidity of her comment I metaphorically feel sick when people use the term literally in that way even if it is a commonplace usage.

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by eric on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:01:34 PM EST
    it is possible that she is using it correctly.  Maybe she does actually, truly, feel that way.  Then, I think it is ok.  Although I guess that I would use the word "truly".

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    It's not necessarily incorrect (5.00 / 1) (#178)
    by Faust on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:39:27 PM EST
    There is a debate about this usage. Using the world "literally" for emphasis (as a substitute for "really") is quite common. STRICTLY speaking it's considered a usage problem. However, it's so common that it can be argued that it needs to be considered a valid use of the word.

    Weirdly I hear people using this on the news all the time. It's extremely common in newscasting. I have no idea why. Maybe because they are so divorced from reality they need to emphasize things are really really literally real.  

    In any case it irritates me. I guess I'm just too literal a person :P

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    As a former English teach, (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by mkevinf on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:03:38 PM EST
    all I can say to you is LOL!  Great post!

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    i literally (5.00 / 12) (#7)
    by Turkana on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:48:19 AM EST
    just spewed all over my keyboard. as literally as giles does anything literally, that is. literally apparently.

    This woman is a nut (5.00 / 15) (#9)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:48:47 AM EST
    Democratic "strategist"?  What is her strategy to malign Clinton?  There must be a reason for Obama supporters to feel that they still have to do so.  You see, this makes me never want to support Obama under any circumstances.

    Perhaps I will be deleted here, (5.00 / 6) (#11)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:51:24 AM EST
    but does anyone else equate the "hate speech" we have seen emerge over these months with the "hate speech" coming out of Trinity Church? If this is the "change" we can look forward to, we are all in very, deep trouble!!! I bet Dan Abrams didn't even respond to her statement.

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    Very perceptivet (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:08:56 PM EST
    I never thought of that.  It is hate-filled and I "hate" it.

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    Not just the hate speech, but (5.00 / 3) (#61)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:24:04 PM EST
    I think we're seeing the influence of Rev Wright, Father Pfleger, et al on Obama through this aggressive effort to bring religion into this process at such a high level.


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    I agree (5.00 / 4) (#95)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:52:40 PM EST
    Obama (and the Dems) is delving into too much religion.  Shades of Rev. Wright and Fr. Phleger sounds right to me.  Note, both preachers had huge involved congregations.  Scary to me.

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    Sorry, but everytime I see the name (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:22:09 PM EST
    Pfleger, reminds me of Phlegm....

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    I Like (5.00 / 0) (#201)
    by DFLer on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:45:48 PM EST
    Somerby's name: Father Eminem

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    Has Wright been quiet lately? (5.00 / 0) (#140)
    by Fabian on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:33:12 PM EST
    Religious Outreach keeps Wright quiet?

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    Wright is putting the finishing touches (none / 0) (#153)
    by samanthasmom on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:49:16 PM EST
    on his new book due out this fall.  Book tour anyone?

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    Not only do they not want Clinton on the ticket (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:26:03 PM EST
    but they're not even smart enough to put her on the reserve list just in case all their hoping and changing doesn't pan out.

    Was even Nixon treated this badly by the press?

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    In a word, (none / 0) (#179)
    by camellia on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:39:32 PM EST
    No.

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    Who the h*ll is Nancy Giles (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by shoephone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:51:44 AM EST
    and why is she considered a Democrat?

    Is it the Nancy Giles who does commentary... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:09:43 PM EST
    ...on Sunday Morning show? I thought she was a commediene....now she is a political strategist?

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    A comedian seems right (5.00 / 5) (#31)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:10:51 PM EST
    Nancy Giles:Comedian (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by Brookhaven on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:32:58 PM EST
    An oxymoron with emphasis on moroon.

    And, so original with the rapier wit of a dull butter knife.

    Someone needs to find a cure for CDS and it should then become part of the Dem Party Platform.

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    Just like (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:35:44 PM EST
    Dennis Miller, apparently. Another "brilliant" political mind.

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    Oh no, is it (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:58:16 PM EST
    that Nancy Giles? Well, I've yet to see signs of intelligence there.  Why is she speaking for Democrats?

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    Because she hates the Clintons? (5.00 / 10) (#112)
    by tree on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:06:47 PM EST
    I hear its a job requirement for being an "analyst" at NBC.

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    Why is Stephanie Miller...another (none / 0) (#137)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:29:22 PM EST
    comedienne, who went completely overboard for obama and never had another objective thing to say.

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    Nancy Giles, actress and comedienne (none / 0) (#132)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:24:46 PM EST
    I was wondering that myself (none / 0) (#206)
    by splashy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:57:56 PM EST
    If so, I really liked her commentaries on Sunday Morning. This is just nuts.

    Geez, another one bites the dust in my list of favorites. They are dropping like flies! They've all gone crazy or something.

    Make ya wonder just who Obama is, that so many seem to go off the deep end because of him. I don't get it.

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    Googled for Nancy Giles--lots of hits (none / 0) (#115)
    by jawbone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:10:31 PM EST
    Clinton would murder Obama? (5.00 / 12) (#13)
    by dianem on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:51:49 AM EST
    And they wonder why we say that some Obama supporter's are acting like cult members. She actually has bought the "Clinton is ambitious" argument to the point where she will publicly say that she thinks that Clinton would poison Obama. And she isn't being metaphoricl - she is quite clear on this. I've read paranoid ramblings on the net, but I tend to discount them as ... well, paranoid ramblings. But I sometimes forget that the people on the net live out int he real world, and most of them are not losers who live in their parent's basement. They include people who are considered respnsible enough to get on television. Of course, Maryscott O'Connor got on television. Nuff said.

    because she's a "monster," of course, (5.00 / 11) (#44)
    by mary kate on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:15:45 PM EST
    and she'd do anything (anything!) to win.  

    Remember when this stuff only came from half-crazed extremists on the loonier fringes of the right wing?  Yeah, those were the days.

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    Yet, all the negative campaigning (5.00 / 8) (#65)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:26:18 PM EST
    was put squarely on the Clinton campaign.

    No outrage at this comment v. June was the month of the primary when RFK was assassinated.

    But, we're all imagining that Clinton was unfairly treated by the media.

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    Do they actually believe (5.00 / 6) (#16)
    by Foxx on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:55:14 AM EST
    this new vs old politics stuff? Not to mention old FDR politics are hard to beat.

    the believe Obama's "new" schtick (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Josey on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:10:04 PM EST
    but it's really just repackaging of the old schtick.
    It's the same can of beer the media sold with Bush.


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    remember Billy Beer? (none / 0) (#138)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:30:49 PM EST
    I'd be happy.... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:56:42 AM EST
    if all the strategists and consultants of both parties got canned tomorrow...maybe the elected officials and candidates would follow their consciences and do what they think is right, instead of what is good "strategy".

    Why stop there....throw out the msm (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:32:01 PM EST
    the radio talk show hosts, and TV's talking heads...they have all contributed to the ugliness of this campaign cycle.

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    BTD - there's always Yiddish for insults (5.00 / 10) (#19)
    by shoephone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:57:23 AM EST
    Eveything sounds better (or worse) in Yiddish.

    She's an am horetz (ignoramus)
    a khaloshes (disgusting, revolting thing)

    and, of course, she's plainly meshuga
    and you know what that is.

    disgusting (5.00 / 13) (#20)
    by kempis on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:57:25 AM EST
    And this is another reason I hope Hillary does not end up on the ticket. There are a LOT of nuts like this in the Obamasphere. I'm tired of seeing Hillary vilified like this.

    Let Obama run without her. Then let her run in 2012 against President McCain. By then, all that will be left of Obama when the GOP is done with him is a Kerryesque grease spot.

    (Disclaimer: I will vote for Obama. I just won't be happy about it. He's simply the lesser of two evils.)

    This is one of the reasons (5.00 / 4) (#68)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:28:05 PM EST
    you can be sure she isn't being considered for the ticket.

    They are trying to poll well enough without her, and point out she is just too much of a risk for Obama's personal well-being.


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    Thank you (none / 0) (#50)
    by Claw on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:19:44 PM EST
    For that vote.  This was a disgusting, stupid comment.  But then, even the dems have disgusting, stupid people.

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    Nancy Giles (5.00 / 5) (#22)
    by Lahdee on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:00:48 PM EST
    I hear she's headed back to therapy now. "But Doctor, she did put a spider in my shoe, I swear."

    "Now, Now Nancy, just drink this koolaide and everything will be fine."

    By distributing Olbermann's rant, Obama's (5.00 / 17) (#23)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:01:03 PM EST
    campaign IMO encouraged this type of thinking. Obama supporters who continue to spread this vile crap is one of the main reasons why I am against Hillary as a VP candidate. Let Obama and the NEW Democratic Party prove that they are viable on their own.

    Darn it! Every time I try to bepragmatic about BO (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by jawbone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:12:16 PM EST
    stuff like this reminds why I'll need a gas mask in the voting booth. Holding my nose just won't make it.

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    Stay Pragmatic!! Gas masks are expensive. (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by indy in sc on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:57:37 PM EST
    I agree the comments by Giles were wrong and vile, but her comments (or those of any other pundit, expert or strategist not connected to either side's campaigns) shouldn't make you feel better or worse about the candidate. They can't control what is said by such people. Yes, the candidates could come out and denounce them--but that is a slippery slope and they would be denouncing all day long. It just invites questions about "why did you denounce this comment and not this other one?". I don't expect McCain to denounce the "terrorist fist jab" or "baby mama" comments made by fox commentators.

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    Wow. I can't get my jaw up off the floor. (5.00 / 11) (#25)
    by rooge04 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:05:16 PM EST
    LITERALLY she's saying that Hillary WANTS to murder Obama. Literally, I want to hit her. LITERALLY.

    Nancy Giles is literally a shameless hack (5.00 / 14) (#27)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:06:41 PM EST
    There, BTD, now you can't say nobody here fights for your honor.

    I think she has problems (5.00 / 5) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:10:59 PM EST
    acknowledging her own unfounded anger and hatred of Clinton and she's projecting it onto Clinton.  What a grotestque and horrific daydreamer she is.  I knew all those sequels to 'Saw' were going to mess someone up :)   No need to name call when I can give free armchair analysis.  I have successfully survived raising one teenager though so I'm practically an expert :)  Oh yeah, and no more caffeine either for Nancy Giles!

    gee BTD, does the word (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by cpinva on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:11:10 PM EST
    stupid ring a bell for you? and, as someone else noted, she's not even original, whoever she is.

    she doesn't know why, she just "literally feels that way." yeah, that's some kind of critically insightfull analysis there.

    and so it continues, the longest running show on broadway, performances 24/7/365, SRO. the theatre's never dark for the "let's bash hillary" extravaganza.

    Is this the right Nancy Giles?? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:13:12 PM EST
    Nancy Giles
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nancy Giles (born July 17, 1960 in New York City) is an American actress and comedienne. She is a graduate of Oberlin College.

    Giles is a writer and contributor to CBS News Sunday Morning. She was the announcer and co-host of the alternative morning show Fox After Breakfast. She starred in two ABC television series, playing girl GI Frankie Bunsen for three seasons on China Beach and hostile waitress Connie on the sitcom Delta. She has had guest roles on shows including The Jury, L.A. Law, Spin City, Law & Order, Dream On, and The Fresh Prince of Bel Air. She appeared in the 1985 Broadway production of the musical Mayor.

    Giles and a CBS colleague, correspondent Erin Moriarty, have collaborated on two public-affairs radio series under the Giles and Moriarty banner, one for WPHT in Philadelphia and another for Greenstone Media. Both shows were produced at the facilities of the CBS Radio Network.

    Giles gave the commencement address for the Ramapo College Class of 2007


    I don't see why some are so (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:14:26 PM EST
    "shocked" at this statement. When Hillary invoked (RFK)the primaries in june 1968, she was villified for wanting Obama shot!!!

    I couldn't understand (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by ding7777 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:34:53 PM EST
    Obama's camp taking Hillary's (RFK)comment out of context and ferociously escalating it... unless they were trying to dampen support for her as a VP candidate.

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    This will help party unity (5.00 / 9) (#47)
    by catfish on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:17:42 PM EST
    definitely.

    If party unity starts with warm and fuzzy (5.00 / 8) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:36:58 PM EST
    I'm feeling very fuzzy about things and I'm also starting to feel VERY WARM about some things as well.

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    I literally want to donate to McCain (5.00 / 10) (#57)
    by MarkL on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:22:11 PM EST
    when I read comments like this.

    Yeah, me too. (5.00 / 4) (#71)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:29:09 PM EST
    I won't.  At least, I keep thinking I won't but then this stuff keeps coming out.

    A long, stupid, hot summer.

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    I'm with you (5.00 / 6) (#94)
    by Nadai on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:51:43 PM EST
    I should probably stop reading the blogs or I'm going to end up campaigning for McCain.  I've already changed my voter's registration to unaffiliated and sworn not to vote for Obama.  I'm running out of ways to express my disgust for people like Giles without actively supporting the Republicans.

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    Obamans (5.00 / 7) (#85)
    by madamab on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:39:32 PM EST
    have gone so far into insanity, I don't know what rehabilitation program could bring them back.

    They keep suggesting that Hillary wants to murder Obama.

    Seriously.

    In what universe is that okay?

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    UCC churches. (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by MarkL on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:40:04 PM EST
    You mean TUCC churches. (5.00 / 7) (#113)
    by madamab on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:07:40 PM EST
    UCC is totally different.

    Otherwise - you're right and this scares the he** out of me.

    I am LITERALLY becoming terrified of what Barack Obama would do as President.

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    I'm waiting for the UCC to (5.00 / 3) (#119)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:14:18 PM EST
    distance itself from TUCC, the largest congregation in the UCC.

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    They haven't yet?! (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by madamab on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:19:40 PM EST
    Good point, then.

    I keep thinking of my own UCC experience, singing in the choir at one of the churches in Westchester County. Let's just say it was about as far from Reverend Wright's style as humanly possible.

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    Agreed. My daughter went to SUNY (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:41:43 PM EST
    Purchase.

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    Double-Edged Sword (5.00 / 9) (#59)
    by NYCDem11 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:22:20 PM EST
    The Obama camp benefited from this sort of coverage and disdain for Hillary during the primary season, but it could be his total undoing in the general election, now that he needs Hillary's supporters to win. Interesting to watch him try to piece together even a VP selection committee without including any Washington insiders. Boy, setting up campaign teams -- and later, possibly, an administration -- without anyone who has a Washington resume will be tough. Good luck to him.

    And keep it up, Obama supporters. See how far this sort of disrespect gets you.

    I think the simple word is "wrong." (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by indy in sc on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:22:57 PM EST
    Not just factually wrong, which is important-- but wrong for trying to perpetuate the caricature of the Clintons as evil empire. Pundits go on tv and try to say something "sexy" so they'll be invited back. There's no sexy story in a narrative that Hillary as VP would work with the president (with trying to "sabotage" him) to achieve common goals--boring.

    Woops (none / 0) (#152)
    by indy in sc on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:48:55 PM EST
    I meant "without" trying to sabotage him.

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    Old Politics at Work (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by santarita on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:25:21 PM EST
    One of the Obama-Dean strategies for success was to totally destroy the Clinton brand through the politics of personal destruction.  Maybe  the Obama surrogates have not gotten the message of "Mission Accomplished"  or maybe there is a need to continue the destruction because they don't want Clinton on the ticket.  

    If they are interested in party unity, Obama will need to come out very forcefully and stop this nonsense.  Maybe he can put something on his new website to correct smears.

    This woman (5.00 / 8) (#66)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:26:35 PM EST
    is a harbinger of Democratic spokespeople, sad to say.

    This is beyond ridiculous and insane.  This is probably going to be the election that will do many a citizen in, with respect to participation.  When you have THIS many morons spewing this PARANOID and crazy sh1t it just makes people disgusted and sit at home.

    Who's the jerk that schedules these types?  My guess would be the same ones who schedule Ann Coulter and other out-of-bound, media sellouts.


    This is confirmation (5.00 / 11) (#70)
    by OxyCon on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:29:03 PM EST
    ...of the "Clinton hating wing" of the Dem party. Much of Obama's support comes from the Clinton haters.
    There's nothing better I'd like to see than the Clinton haters reaping what they have sown. They are the spiters (sic), not me. They are the ones who are letting spite cloud their judgment as to who would have been best at running this country.
    IMO, they have turned their backs on the best qualified person to lead this country out of the dark abyss Bush has created because they are petty, juvenile, spite filled people.
    It's all about ridding the Dem party of the Clintons, and this isn't too smart when you consider there are 18 million of us who respect the job (emphasis on the word job) that the Clintons have done, who also have their back.
    Barack Obama hasn't done s**t for this country (yet). He still has a very long way to go to earn my respect. The Clintons have my respect based on what they have done for America and no one can ever change that fact, no matter how rabid a Clinton hater they are.

    Reading Somerby's report on Nancy Giles (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by gish720 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:29:27 PM EST
    was bad, but reading about Michael Crowley and the comments on his site was enough to make me feel that I just can't vote for Obama, not when his supporters feel they must lift Obama up by trashing the Clintons. When and if Obama slaps that down, I would reluctantly vote for him. It's a long way from that being the case now.

    I think this is too typical (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by djork on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:32:13 PM EST
    I think there is too significant a segment of Obama's supporters, including among his closest advisors, who think this way - Hillary is so evil she'd murder Obama - that there is zero chance she'll be his running mate. I actually wish the subject of Hillary as Veep would drop. It's not going to happen.

    Giles is a Zell Millerst from the (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by pluege on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:33:24 PM EST
    LIEberman wing of the democratic party. (And there ain't much fouler than that.)

    And it probably went unchallenged, (5.00 / 11) (#80)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:34:52 PM EST
    which is the real measure of the inanity that now substitutes for even minimally intelligent content.  

    Yes, it's her opinion, and we're all entitled to have and express them - Abrams asked her what she thought, after all - but is it a given that an opinion is somehow allowed to represent some sort of truth just because someone in a booth pasted the title "Analyst" under her name - or anyone else's name?  Where is the person who, hearing that garbage, should have asked, "Are you seriously sitting her telling us that you think the Senator from New York and former First Lady, the person who came within a hair of being the nominee, actually wants to murder Senator Obama?  Where does someone come up with a `feeling' like that, Nancy, and still be viewed not just as credible, but mentally intact?"

    Well, the pushback would come if someone had blurped out something equally off-the-wall and attributed it to their "feelings" about what Obama might be thinking; look out, World - it would be wall-to-wall outrage and umbrage, op-eds and serious panels of serious people and Extra-Super-Duper-Special Comments.  They'd want us all wearing armbands in solidarity.

    Honestly, I don't think there was this much hate for Saddam, and we started a war over that guy...


    watched this last night (5.00 / 2) (#164)
    by CHDmom on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:05:17 PM EST
    and was shocked that she said it and was VERY serious, but what shocked me even more was the rest of the panel didn't even blink, and just kept talking like it was common knowledge and nothing wrong with her suggesting if Hillary was the VP she would have Obama killed. PUMA

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    The Obama campaign and surrogates (5.00 / 7) (#89)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:47:05 PM EST
    can get away with anything they want in this climate.  But the fallout/backlash will happen.  It may occur after the election.  But right now, they can say anything they want to. With Bush's approval rating, with the direction of the country, the surrogates and pseudosurrogates can say anything they want to.

    They can also do anything they want to. They've moved DNC operations to Chicago.  Apparently, the Chicago way is the DNC way now.  I'm sure this move will find its way into 527 ads.

    Link

    I hope that someday the Democrats nominate someone who doesn't literally scare the bee-jeezus out of me.

    It doesn't 'beg the question'? (5.00 / 3) (#90)
    by Demi Moaned on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:47:22 PM EST
    It 'raises the question'.

    Begging the question is a form of logical fallacy:

    To beg the question does not mean "to raise the question." (e.g. "It begs the question, why is he so dumb?") This is a common error of usage made by those who mistake the word "question" in the phrase to refer to a literal question. Sadly, the error has grown more and more common with time, such that even journalists, advertisers, and major mass media entities have fallen prey to "BTQ Abuse."

    I wouldn't even bother to point it out, except that we're generally more finicky here than at other blogs.

    True (none / 0) (#122)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:15:04 PM EST
    but it no longer really means that in common usage therefore . . .

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    Does to me. . . (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:57:14 PM EST
    Building to a crescendo (none / 0) (#149)
    by Demi Moaned on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:46:11 PM EST
    The same can be said for this phrase. But I'm still disappointed when educated writers use it.

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    How do you like "transitioning"? (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:47:37 PM EST
    A lot better than ... (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by Demi Moaned on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:50:10 PM EST
    'proactive'.

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    Hmm ... (5.00 / 9) (#91)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:49:32 PM EST
    he's got to hire somebody to be the official presidential taster because you don't know what`s going to be in your food. You don't know what could happen. I literally feel that way.

    And I figuratively just threw up.

    Try this (5.00 / 5) (#92)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:50:49 PM EST
    A friend and I used to refer to a co-worker as proctor-silex because she had the brains of a toaster. Literally.

    We may be looking at the near future of (5.00 / 9) (#93)
    by Joelarama on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:51:19 PM EST
    the Democratic Party.  It reminds me of the Gingrich Republicans.

    Except Gingrich was smart (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:04:47 PM EST
    Ruthless and heartless, yes, but smart.  His general audience speaking didn't show it much, but I heard him talking to a bunch of health care lawyers once about health care legislation and he astonished me.

    In terms of politcal strategy, I can't see him cutting off all means of escape.

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    This just feeds one of the dangers for Obama, (5.00 / 12) (#96)
    by davnee on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:53:09 PM EST
    which is that regular, everyday people will get so darn sick and tired of all the ridiculous media melodrama that surrounds Obama, that they just won't want to sign on for 4 years of "you're a racist" accusations if you don't kiss his ring 24/7, or worse "you secretly want to assassinate him because he is an uppity black man who got in your white way" if your comments fall below adoration level or you represent a challenge to his authority.  

    This has nothing whatsoever to do with Hillary Clinton's personality.  This media insanity is all about Obama, and the inability of media and pundits and party hangers-on to reconcile Obama's weaknesses as a candidate, and as a prospective president, with his race.  The narrative of the post-racial savior wiping clean our great stain of slavery and racism is so enticing that no legitimate criticism or challenge can be allowed to penetrate it.  Then, gasp, you might feed nasty, unclean narratives like I dunno affirmative action stereotypes of race trumping merit.  Running afoul of political correctness, even accidently, would be far, far worse to the media/pundits etc. than attempting to elect the best president possible.

    And the Obama camp's own race-baiting has fed this beast, so I don't feel the least bit sorry for him.  Let him reap what he has sown.  Because I believe this insanity is going to backfire with the regular everyday voter who likely sees this hyper-level of political correctness as chafing far too much to ever be worth "the great redemption".  Does the everyday voter even care as much as white liberals about being redeemed?

    I've actually been thinking a bit about the Clinton melodrama vs. the Obama melodrama.  The Clintons are melodramatic because of the personal foibles of Bill and the perceived ambition and venality of both.  That's feet of clay kind of stuff.  It's fascinating psychodrama, but it really has little concrete effect on the people at large.  The economy still hummed under the Big Dawg after all.  The Obama psychodrama of race is really about America.  It's about how we view ourselves.  That kind of melodrama is in your face.  It goes to who you are and how you behave and what you believe.  Is that the kind of melodrama Americans want to sign on for?  Not the kind that you can watch from afar on the news and read about in the tabloids and pass distant judgment if you choose to even pay attention, but the kind that is going to implicate you and your own behavior and attitudes each and every day.  Is this a fair difference?  Am I on to something here?

    Okay this turned into a long and rough around the edges meditation, but I'm going to post it as is anyway.  Apologies in advance for eating the bandwith.

    If BO (none / 0) (#120)
    by Lahdee on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:14:25 PM EST
    can frame it as a reality show, then perhaps melodrama will sell. Fox executives would probably get a great spot rate for it and MSM could then be guilt free as they play "Process Bingo" and "Did you see that shirt?"

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    Out (none / 0) (#209)
    by creeper on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 04:08:35 PM EST
    standing!

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    BTD, the Democratic establishment... (5.00 / 8) (#97)
    by AX10 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:53:48 PM EST
    and the punitocracy have decided that there will be no more Clintons for anything.
    They are throwing them away as well as their supporters.  Obama and company will reap what they have sown.


    Hating Hillary and Bill is necessary (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by davnee on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:14:34 PM EST
    They can't make a positive case for Obama being president, so they use their Clinton hatred as a justification.  Once Hillary is out of the contest then Obama will have to run on his own merits.  I still await a briefing on what these merits are other than that he is not McCain (you know Bush III).  And if their entire campaign is based on he is not McCain then I think they are up the proverbial creek.  Actually this should be interesting, because I believe the McCain campaign is pretty much going to be solely based on he is not Obama (you know the America-hating novice).

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    this must be Nancy's attempt (5.00 / 3) (#99)
    by TimNCGuy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:54:13 PM EST
    at unifying the party....

    maybe we should threaten Nancy with the Supreme Court appts McCain will make....

    "change, not old politics" (5.00 / 5) (#103)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:59:21 PM EST
    brings to mind the following story:

    Years ago, there was an old tale in the Marine Corps about a major who inspected his Marines and told the "Gunny" that they smelled bad. The major suggested that they change their underwear.
    The "Gunny" responded, "Aye, aye, sir.
    I'll see to it immediately."
    He went into the tent and said, "The major thinks you guys smell bad, and he wants you to change your underwear. Smith, you change with Jones, McCarthy, you change with Witkowskie, Brown, you change with Schultz.
    "Change, now get on with it"

    That was funny. ;-) (none / 0) (#125)
    by shoephone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:18:32 PM EST
    Somerby asks the question (5.00 / 9) (#104)
    by frankly0 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:59:50 PM EST
    as to whether comments like Giles' might not actually promote physical attacks on Hillary.

    But isn't it obvious that bringing up the prospect of Obama's assassination, and making it a prominent part of our public discourse, as the Obama campaign has obviously sought to do, might easily put ideas in the minds of the truly deranged, such as a John Hinckley type, who may be seeking some sort of recognition  -- the more infamous, the better?

    They are truly playing with fire here. One wonders if they even care.

    I believe the only thing (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:01:44 PM EST
    that will stop attacks like these if if there's a real threat toward Hillary Clinton.

    And who knows.  Maybe that won't stop it.  I've never known a politician that was more hated.  I don't even think Bill was as hated.

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    I was actually referring (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by frankly0 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:05:52 PM EST
    to the possibility that making discussion of a possible assassination of Obama so prominent might encourage ideas along those lines in someone who, like John Hinckley, might seek "fame" by planning and implementing such a deed.

    I'd think that it was pretty obvious that the very best way to dampen the prospects of such a possibility is to say as little about it as possible (while of course doing everything in one's power to protect against it).

    Yet the Obama campaign instead chose to make it as salient an issue as they could.

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    Hillary had the situation in a NH campaign office (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by jawbone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:23:13 PM EST
    and the only actual threat to a candidate which resulted in an arrest (the young guy in LA). It's been posted about here before.

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    also (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:00:37 PM EST
    why is she on TV?

    because she hates Hillary.

    Something (5.00 / 10) (#106)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:00:46 PM EST
    for Obama supporters to think about: Why would anyone who supported Clinton lift a finger to defend Obama when the GOP starts on him? Obama and his surrogates make us think that when the GOP gets started Obama will be getting his just desserts.

    I would like to (5.00 / 10) (#109)
    by LoisInCo on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:03:02 PM EST
    officially nominate Bill Richardson as official food taster.

    I second (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by camellia on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:48:38 PM EST
    the motion!  

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    Don't Be A Hypocrite Obama and Supporters (5.00 / 8) (#114)
    by Saul on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:09:38 PM EST
    If you don't like Hilary and Bill then stay clear of them  in any fashion, form or manner.  You cannot keep saying as you have in the theme of your campaign,

    I am the new politics and the new change and I am against the old ways of politics and those that represent the old system

    Then turn around and say,

    Oh please Hilary I need you and your voters in order to win and I would also want Bill to help us campaign like he did for you.

    Yet turn around and also say,

    But I cannot pick you since you are what I hated so much of the past and you guys personified the past like no one else.

    You completely divorce your self of them and not request nothing from Hilary and Bill or you pick Hilary as VP  and take back every thing you ever said about the Clintons and eat some crow.  But you can't have it both ways.

    Where is the Obama statement that his has no place (5.00 / 4) (#128)
    by jawbone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:20:20 PM EST
    in the campaign he is running? That he appreciates all supporters, but cannot tolerate hate language and accusations from any of this supporters.

    He and his crew probably laughed about it. I mean, it's how he's behaved.

    Elderly neighbor, dyed in the wool Dem, thinks he behaves immaturely.  And she didn't even know about the brushing off his shoulder, scraping the bottom of his shoe things he did! She won't tell me, but I think she may not vote for him....

    That was Slate with the deathwatch (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by echinopsia on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:43:33 PM EST
    Salon has Camille Paglia (ptui).

    But at least Salon EIC Joan Walsh tried to keep her objectivity and wits about her, and did defend Hillary vigorously on Hardball over the RFK absurdity.

    If Obama cannot control his (5.00 / 7) (#161)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:59:42 PM EST
    "own house" how can he control the white house?

    I have to say (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by IzikLA on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:14:17 PM EST
    I have multiple friends and acquaintances that have used this exact same language (even the specific "taster" language).  I find it disgusting and have said as much straight to their faces.  This kind of discussion has somehow leaked into the public and I can't begin to describe how disheartening it is.  

    I can't believe that people continue to refuse to take notice of all the good things the Clinton's have done and refuse to believe what they have always stood for.  Most of these people I know are in their 30's, like myself, and I find it hard to believe that you can call yourself a Democrat and hate the Clinton's with that much passion.  Where have these people been these last 3 decades??!!

    I Googled and found out that (5.00 / 3) (#167)
    by mkevinf on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:17:05 PM EST
    Nancy Giles has her own website, with an email contact provided.

    As soon as I get home to my pc, I intend to write her and ask her on what basis she is accusing Hillary Clinton of attempting to murder the President. if Hillary were the vice president.

    I will also provide her the link to Bob Somerby's The Daily Howler page, which I recommend to all who have never visited it.  What a gift he is!

    This One Requires Action, My Friends (5.00 / 3) (#170)
    by BoGardiner on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:29:31 PM EST
    This was not just another rude metaphor.  

    This was a news commentator on a major network seriously accusing a US senator of murderous intent on national television.

    Giles is employed by CBS as a news contributor:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/30/sunday/main3312884.shtml
    Presumably she was acting in this capacity as a guest commentator on MSNBC.

    Sure, we're all jaded, and at first blush it may seem just one more nudge down the slippery slope, but it is in fact a PLUNGE off the slippery slope.

    This evening I will begin writing letters.  I hope any of you with blogs will headline this in ways that clearly tell the story, such as:

    "CBS News Staffer and Obama Supporter Out of Control, Wildly Accuses Clinton of Murderous Intent on National Television."

    We should ask that she be fired by CBS, and Abrams be reprimanded for not challenging the accusation.

    the right has perfected this (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:47:34 PM EST
    ask the fcc. I will youtube it and write, the left needs far more of this

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    Well (none / 0) (#190)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:04:38 PM EST
    didnt Ann Coulter almost single-handedly carve out a media-market for semi-raving female commentators?

    Are they in demand now?

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    Talk to the network (5.00 / 3) (#191)
    by Newt on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:06:10 PM EST
    Use this feedback link to let CBS know what you think of Nancy Giles comments on Abrams show.  

    Here's my feedback to them:

    Nancy Giles comment on Abrams' show, "...look, if he gets Hillary as his VP, he's got to hire somebody to be the official presidential taster because you don't know what's going to be in your food ..." demonstrate a severe misunderstanding of the Obama campaign and the reasons Democrats chose him over Hillary Clinton.  Her implication that Hillary Clinton would assassinate Barack Obama is outrageous and inappropriate.  Abrams should have contradicted or questioned it immediately.  Giles' opinion in no way reflects the majority Democratic estimation of Hillary Clinton, and does more damage than good to the Obama presidential campaign.  

    Please do not interview people like Giles as if they speak for other Democrats.  She is an employee of CBS, not a representative of the Obama campaign or rank and file Democrats.  And please stop "stirring the pot of hatred" between the Obama and Hillary supporters.  Your actions are a thinly veiled attempt to increase viewer ratings by encouraging more divisiveness in the Democratic party.  

    Whoops, wrong link (none / 0) (#199)
    by Newt on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:32:25 PM EST
    Here's MSNBC's contact info:

      email link

    I actually wrote a nicer letter to Giles at CBS suggesting that she use a smarter strategy if she's a "TV commenter" supporting Obama.  

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    Just did -thx for the link (none / 0) (#202)
    by laurie on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:47:12 PM EST
    PUMA

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    Question? (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by Virginialass on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:14:34 PM EST
    When and how is the Obama campaign and their supporters going to start and try to win our votes. Don't the pundets realize this sort of banter just angers Hillary's supporters (such as me) and does not help their candidate. If you visit Obama blogs they say they don't need us and we can just sit at home drinking our metamucil and working our crosswords on election day because the youth will carry Obama to the finish line.

    ATTN: Obama Supporters - continuing to demonize Hillary will only hurt you in the long run.

    The Clinton's should tell CBS NBC ABC CNN and (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by Mrwirez on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:30:15 PM EST
    the Obama's to F#ck off. The Clinton's should NEVER do a damn thing to help Obama get elected. That is how I feel. Screw Nancy Giles too. They still don't get it. I am a half a click away from just voting for McCain just to have a clearing house of all these idiots from the Obama camp and friends of the Obama surrogates. I hate all this in-fighting and it is because of Barack Obama.

    What Kind Of History Will We Make? (5.00 / 1) (#204)
    by Silhouette on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:52:12 PM EST
    Obama will not be a first after all..

    ***
    Warren G. Harding (Death by Blackness) depicts Harding's life as my family knew
    it. While growing up, we were never allowed to talk about the relationship to a
    US President outside of family gatherings because we were "Colored" and Warren
    was "passing." In 1884 he was a teacher at the local "Colored school" in Marion,
    Ohio, until he crossed the color line and became the 29th President of the US.
    Biographies written about Harding are quick to note his parents were descendants
    of Ohio pioneer families with English and dutch ancestry when, in reality, both
    of his parents were negroes whose ancestors escaped through the Underground
    Railroad. this book will set the record straight. Few have come forth to tell
    the truth. The Internet Encyclopedias reference Warren G. Harding's Blackness
    openly, to surprise, in view of the fact his Negro ancestry has been squelched
    by the government and his immediate family members. Moreover, he may have lost
    his life because of it.

    Source: http://www.amazon.com/Warren-Harding-President-...
    **

    The only history Obama would make is one of embracing, and even perhaps
    exploiting, being half-black instead of trying to hide it. It was speculated and
    still is to this day that our good old government did away with Harding because
    his blackness was "leaked" to the public. He died of a suspicious "heart attack"
    even though he played the party line to try to cover up his own blackness.

    What Obama actually winds up being is just another man who nudged out a more
    qualified woman for a job position by way of backroom politics and orchestrated
    misogyny. As if that weren't bad enough, he is a man who is clearly milking the
    Martin Luther King persona to advance his lack of experience and true grit to
    beyond boundries within which it should remain contained until he earns, by his
    merits alone, otherwise. He is stealing from other greater men and women and
    using race shamefully to "work it". For lack of a better phrase.

    Big Media will have him dethroned by the end of August, at the stroke of
    midnight just after the convention.  Until then they will continue to give Obama
    the kid-glove treatment to ensure superdelegates don't wise up to what they have
    in store for him next.  Of course they can't put a lasting dent in Hillary, with
    the exception of manipulating, with Obama, racial sentiments and bending the
    ears of careless superdelegates.  After August, Hillary, our best shot at the
    Whitehouse, will be a mere footnote...they hope..

    Then watch how quickly McCain regains a lead in the "polls".

    Some superdelegates have spoken up that their consituents are now pushing them
    to reconsider a previous pro-vote for Obama.  I myself initially supported him
    before I sat down and really thought about what I was really doing.  Besides his
    being patently unqualified to serve as Commander-In-Chief in time of war, there
    could be more superdelegates moving in the direction of seeing Obama as a racist
    himself...using race to get ahead instead of experience all under a Kingian veil
    of chanting "hope" and "change".

    Exploiting then-current political trends the first black president, Warren G.
    Harding himself, was widely rumored to ride along on Ku Klux Klan excursions to
    burn crosses in his fellow black's front yards.  Maybe some of them were even
    his cousins?

    Whatever works I guess.

    Obama has been riding racial trends long enough. It's time for him to pull out
    his resume' and put it on the table next to Hillary's.

    Clinton did not end her campaign.  She will produce a formal vote for or against
    Obama at the Convention; for or against her as well.  There are several weeks
    between now and then.  There is still time to rein in a runaway horse on the
    wrong path.  My suggestion to superdelegates is to consider only the merits of
    the person running as fit to win and not gender or race.  Anything less would be
    sexist or racist; and therefore, discrimination.

    Silhouette

    One More Thing.. (5.00 / 2) (#207)
    by Silhouette on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:58:48 PM EST
    Anyone like me with second thoughts about Obama still has ample time to write the superdelegates that represent their state or in the DNC itself to urge them to think logically, sanely and without prejudice about this race not being a historical event, but rather an event of unbiased review of the most qualified candidate for the terribly important job that lies ahead...

    Write now or don't complain!

    Get ready for a LOT of this (4.66 / 3) (#2)
    by blogtopus on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:44:42 AM EST
    if he wins the GE.

    DON'T LOOK AT THE O!
    HE LOOKED AT THE O!
    SEIZE HIM!

    This will make Nixon's paranoia look calm by comparison.

    Repeat after me (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by dianem on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:54:19 AM EST
    Please... let's not be as paranoid as (some of) Obama's supporter's. Obama has not shown a tendency to be more paranoid than Bush. There is no evidence that he would take any precautions not already being taken. Heck - there is no reason to. I doubt that Obama could garner as much hate as Bush has.

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    Can we go further (2.75 / 4) (#131)
    by anydemwilldo on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:24:13 PM EST
    ... and stop freaking out over everything some talking head says on TV?  This was just a dumb statement by someone with (presumably) an axe to grind against the Clintons, and it deserves to be denounced as such because clearly it's not OK to insinuate that Hillary wants the VP slot so she can assassinate Barack.

    It is not, however, an attack by the Obama campaign on Hillary Clinton, who is, after all, an important ally.

    Perspective, everyone.

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    obama has to choose (5.00 / 4) (#142)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:37:34 PM EST
    between giles and me.

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    True (5.00 / 8) (#146)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:44:05 PM EST
    What you say is true. There are a lot of nut cases and headline seekers out there. However I haven't heard the Obama camp or the DNC speak out forcefully on any of these hits. If we are in a new era of politic's, as Obama has stressed, then I think it's important that he reigns in his supporters. He isn't going to win the GE because he's the anti Hilary candidate. That isn't going work anymore. He needs to become the leader now. And you lead by example.

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    Not everyone can be on the record on everything (3.00 / 2) (#198)
    by anydemwilldo on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:31:37 PM EST
    I mean, FOX put up a chyron yesterday calling Michelle "Obama's Baby Mama".  Did Hillary Clinton (or TalkLeft) take the time to denounce this specifically?  No.  Does it mean they're in the tank with right wing racists?  No.

    Perspective.  Direct your anger at the lunatic on TV, not everyone with an Obama sign in their front yard.

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    Well, I would not call it (5.00 / 8) (#168)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:22:30 PM EST
    "freaking out," as much as I would consider it a pretty normal reaction to yet another no-mistake-about-it over-the-top pronouncement that unfairly and without basis and in a public forum maligns someone who is not present to defend herself.

    [takes a breath]

    Are you one of those people who never wants to get involved when you are witness to wrongdoing?  The person who stands by while someone you know is verbally attacked and says nothing to defend or push back against it?  Are you one of those people who, if you saw someone being physically attacked, would just keep on going and not even bother to call for help because it might inconvenience you?"

    If the media cannot and will not hold itself to any discernible standards, who should be?  You and I, who can send e-mails and make phone calls and change the channel and cancel subssciptions?  Sure, that makes us feel better, even if the behavior doesn't stop.

    What about the candidates themselves?  What is their responsibility?  Is it okay to wage a campaign with a message that you are different than all those other politicians, that you can change the tone, won't participate in the politics of personal destruction, and then stand idly by while others do it for you, or pretend that you aren't benefiting?  Does the candidate's outrage at attacks he accuses others of making against him lose any credibility when he won't be just as harsh when others unfairly attack his opponents?

    No, we are not freaking out; if we were, we would probably be in the streets and not comfortably ensconced in front of our keyboards.

    I think it might not be such a bad idea to once in a while peel back the very thin top layer of some of these issues to see what the underlying elements are, and then ponder them a bit before shrugging off and minimizing people's anger.  

    If we are the change we have been waiting for, it's not going to be nearly as wonderful as some would have us believe if we can't even see the forest for the trees.

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    Thank you, Anne (5.00 / 3) (#186)
    by camellia on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:58:03 PM EST
    for saying this and putting it so well.  We have sat here now for eight years and heard and seen character assassination taking place all around us.  

    In 2000, when the Supreme Court put Bush into the WH, I was astonished to be told by the press that we had to accept it "for the good of the country" and that we should just come together and get over it.    Well, here we are 8 years later still accepting stuff "for the good of the country" (read Obama here) and just getting over what our own side did to us, and I don't want to take it any more.  So  -- I feel lots more emails to NBC and MSNBC et al coming on.

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    Look, this is what people do. (1.00 / 4) (#203)
    by Newt on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:47:35 PM EST
    They make opinions about something and then dig and defend their side.  Sometimes they go way overboard in defending their positions.  It's just human nature, and it's amplified this year because of the close race, the ability of any old jerk to spout off their opinion on a blog, and the obsessive media drive for ratings.  

    I don't think it's useful to stay riled up over it.  In-fighting is to be expected, and the most outrageous comments are the ones that will stand out.  

    Most importantly, the few thousands of Hillary-hating jerks DO NOT represent the millions of more respectful Democrats that voted for Obama.  There will always be Nancy Giles and people like her out there saying stupid things.  You don't have to take it so personally.  Just call them on it and move on.  

    We have bigger fish to fry, like firing a bunch of Republicans in Congress this year.

    Apathy, the second best medicine (5.00 / 3) (#208)
    by BoGardiner on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 04:08:13 PM EST
    Soma, of course, being best.

    Nothing to see here, folks, just go about your business.  Try a few of these pills so you'll feel nice and relaxed.  No need to get riled up.  Just close your eyes and it will be over soon.

    Apparently Newt's job on TalkLeft as to try to keep a lid on any progressive activism that may emerge from this site.  Wonder if it pays well.    He's good, too, don't you think?  Here are just a few of his many similar comments here:

    Obama has plenty of negatives.  No need to make up new ones to get all indignant about.

    Too many Republicans are stirring the pot of hatred between Hillary & Obama supporters.

    Newt, believe it or not, some of us prefer to act independently of YOUR movement (per your quote below).  Some of us think change is up to US, so quit trying to quell our goal of holding the media accountable.
     

    I am definitely counting on the Yes We Can movement to demand and make the changes I'm looking for in the next four years.


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    New Wisconsin Polling on Hillary VP (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ben Masel on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:32:35 PM EST
    "taken immediately after Hillary Clinton suspended her campaign"

    Badger Poll asked

    Q27:
    If Barack Obama chose Hillary Clinton as the vice presidential nominee, would that make you more likely, less likely, or have no effect on your likelihood of voting for Barack Obama?
    N =     506     100%
    More likely     107     21%
    Less likely     110     22%
    Have no effect     276     55%
    Don't know / Refused     13     3%

    Overall, they have Obama leading in the State by 13%. I figure this is accurate at present, but the marhgin will go down. Obama made multiple appearances in Feb, but the NRA has not yet gone to work. Their efforts will be more significant trhan anything McCain or the RNC can do.

    this kind of data does not surprise me (none / 0) (#102)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:58:59 PM EST
    Diehard Obama supporters don't want Clinton as VP.  I would like to know of the lead in question to this data.  For instance, if the lead in is "Are you going to vote for Obama in the GE," then the answer is from Obama supporters in the primaries.  Clinton supporters would mostly have answered "No" or "I don't know yet" or "I am undecided."  I think this data is skewed.

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    May be skewed (none / 0) (#118)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:12:53 PM EST
    But it doesn't matter bc it's not a very helpful result.

    Does less likely mean not vote or vote for McCain?  Does more likely mean strongly more likely or a millimeter more likely?  To me, the only thing that really matters is whether Hillary on the ticket gains more votes than are lost.

    Or would matter to me, if I cared whether BO wins in November or not.

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    Many questions between (none / 0) (#134)
    by Ben Masel on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:25:52 PM EST
    Presidential preference and the Hillary as VP question. Check the link upthread.

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    How is this connected to Obama (none / 0) (#144)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:43:12 PM EST
    Lots of nastiness again towards Obama because Dan Abrams, who my guess has about the same ratings as that guy who sells the hair cutter that sucks in your hair and chops it off, had some anonymous weenie on his show talking about tasting food?  The post is "why is this woman on tv" and we get this::

    that if Hillary is VP she will be bringing her master his coffee and donuts every morning.

    right after she irons his shirts.

    With so many missteps by obama, who knows if he will even get to the WH...link

    if he wins the GE.
    DON'T LOOK AT THE O!
    HE LOOKED AT THE O!
    SEIZE HIM!

    Please... let's not be as paranoid as (some of) Obama's supporter's. Obama has not shown a tendency to be more paranoid than Bush. There is no evidence that he would take any precautions not already being taken. Heck - there is no reason to. I doubt that Obama could garner as much hate as Bush has.

    [new] obama has to choose (none / 0) (#142)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:37:34 PM EST

    between giles and me.

    new] Obamans (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by madamab on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:39:32 PM EST

    have gone so far into insanity, I don't know what rehabilitation program could bring them back.
    They keep suggesting that Hillary wants to murder Obama.

    Seriously.

    In what universe is that okay?

    In what universe (5.00 / 7) (#162)
    by echinopsia on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:00:00 PM EST
    is it OK, or smart, or productive to ignore Giles' (and others') abysmally stupid and divisive continuing attacks on Hillary in favor of attacking people who object (and rightfully so) to such garbage?

    IOW what Giles said in fron of a national audience doesn't bother you, but our responses to her here do?

    Talk about skewed priorities.

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    I don't disagree (none / 0) (#174)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:34:36 PM EST
    that the entire giles interview was stupid and irrelevant.  I agree, why was she on TV? But I scratch my head and say, why is Abrams on TV, other than he is the boss.  As an Obama supporter and Hillary lover, I have sworn off MSNBC tv, in my opinion they were biased, unfair and unwatchable during the primaries.  I prefer public telly and the BBC.  That said, the post and topic is Giles, not Obama supporters en masse, yet you see the same old obamasupporter bashing from the same group (a minority) and it is shameful to the discourse of this blog.  So if the discourse goes to the abyss i am happy to point it out.

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    How is this connected to Obama? (5.00 / 5) (#166)
    by frankly0 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:14:35 PM EST
    Um, how about because it was his very campaign that fanned the flames by pretending very loudly that Hillary was talking about Obama's assassination?

    How about that little connection?

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    not connected to obama (none / 0) (#175)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:35:53 PM EST
    connected to a weird show and a weird woman.  Is she part of his campaign?

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    Really, (5.00 / 1) (#205)
    by frankly0 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:56:15 PM EST
    why do you refuse to admit even the most obvious things? Why should anyone argue with you if you can't argue in good faith?

    Look, this woman's comment did not come in a vacuum. The latest bit of hysteria has been talk that Hillary was pretty much hoping for Obama to be assassinated, and it was precisely due to the Obama campaign that that talk got great play.

    Now you can continue to pretend that there's no connection.

    But that would demonstrate only that you can't argue in good faith.

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    The same universe... (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:28:11 PM EST
    that suggests to Giles that it's okay to make comparisons between HRC and the Borgias...on MSNBC (errr...national news infotainment).

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    I wouldn't watch (none / 0) (#177)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:38:22 PM EST
    abrams or the woman, zero objectivity from msnbc and from him.  Okay, maybe zero is unfair but I don't see a heck of a lot of obejectivity and I would be hard pressed to find anyone that could make an argument that they are not the O bandwagon network.

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    That's you... (none / 0) (#188)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:01:17 PM EST
    Other people do voluntarily.

    And still others get to watch him whilst hanging out at a pool hall during league matches (myself included). That's one of the stations that the manager puts on the screen.

    There is no objectivity. But Sarah Pool Player doesn't know that...generally.

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    and? (1.00 / 1) (#192)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:08:48 PM EST
    Foxnews spews it on the right.  And?  What does it have to do with Obama supporters en masse?  Do you ever have a point or do you just type because there are messages coming into your head via satellite from aliens?

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    Did I say something (none / 0) (#193)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:14:20 PM EST
    about Obama supporters?

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    You asked what universe... (none / 0) (#196)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:17:34 PM EST
    My answer was...albeit snarky...but it's the same universe that told what'hername it was okay...

    Frankly, that's the same universe that allows folks like Coulter to spill their bile as well.

    It's the pundit universe...

    Funny thing here is that you made an equivalency argument between Giles--a paid news person on national TV--and random unknown people on a blog.

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    no i made the comment (none / 0) (#200)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:42:42 PM EST
    (follow the thread), about the attacks at obama supporters over a comment made by a paid correspondent who does not speak for obama, his supporters or me. The thread is about giles and abrams, funny how some can weave in obama supporters into the argument...

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    and BTD (none / 0) (#147)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:44:11 PM EST
    is having a hard time calling her an IDIOT?  I can think of several I would put right behind her, but being that we cannot name call here....

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    It's cause of the Olbermann==shamelss hack (none / 0) (#171)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:29:46 PM EST
    thing.

    I suspect that behind his monitor, BTD has no problem coming up with any number of descriptive labels for this commentator.

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    its the hate train (none / 0) (#158)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:56:53 PM EST
    I'm not on it.

    Obama will have to make a choice.

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    ride on the hate train (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:31:23 PM EST
    If anyone (none / 0) (#155)
    by Makarov on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:53:47 PM EST
    is interested about the Chris Matthews comment at the end of Somerby's piece, just google Hank Buchanan. Yes, he is Pat's brother.

    No matter who BO's VP is ... (none / 0) (#156)
    by RonK Seattle on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:53:47 PM EST
    ... a lot of people will be literally convinced "the VP did it" if something happens to him.

    which no doubt (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:01:35 PM EST
    is why so many people (like ohios gov) are not interested.


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    with so "many" people (none / 0) (#182)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:45:50 PM EST
    please name the many.

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    The Obama Expatriates (none / 0) (#210)
    by Silhouette on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 04:14:13 PM EST
    Anyone who wishes to contact our group: "The Obama Expatriates" you can contact me (Communications Liaison)at silhouette@suddenlink.net for ways you can get involved.

    We are grassroots all the way.

    good question. (none / 0) (#211)
    by cpinva on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 05:14:36 PM EST
    (NOTE: Apparently not. Just a random Democrat. Which begs the question, why is she on TV?):

    i read her wikipedia entry and her web site bio. nothing in her background would seem to give her any special insight into, well, anything really. she's a modestly succesfull actress/comedienne. for reasons never quite made clear, she got some sunday morning talk show gig, as some kind of "commentator".

    perhaps this was her way of gaining free publicity, in hopes of improving her acting/comedy career? other than that, i haven't a clue why someone thought she'd be the ideal person to bring on.

    rebarbative (none / 0) (#212)
    by noholib on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 06:27:29 PM EST
    Thank you to all who answered about the meaning of rebarbative.  Yes we'll definitely need this word!

    Jejune (none / 0) (#213)
    by prostratedragon on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:44:47 AM EST
    Somehow no one has suggested that one. "Jejune."

    "Rebarbative," yuck! Don't know about the present case, but I can see that one coming in handy soon. Going to need something for impertinent deflection and the serious flaws that underlay it, too.

    Can't sleep, great reading! (none / 0) (#214)
    by BlueMerlin on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:30:12 AM EST
    I love reading talkleft comments.  You guys are the best of the blogosphere!  I used to enjoy writing witty invective against Obama, myself, but in recent days I've lost steam.  I mean, where does one begin?  This man is horrible in so many ways.   Now I just read 'em and laugh.   Meanwhile, pro-Obama commentary continues to surpass itself daily on the surreal dimention.  Commenters supporting Obama's move of the DNC to Chicago (on Politico.com) sounded like Goebbels lauding Hitler in 1934 for his great improvements in government efficiency.  I fear an Obama presidency.  You folks and our comments are my underground resistance movement.  Thank you!  Thanks also for 'rebarbative' (I would've guessed it meant something like 'getting your beard back') and for the correction on 'begging the question'.   Go talkleft, you're the best!